As with the axe attack in Germany the BBC is holding back on reporting eye-witness claims that the attacker shouted ‘Allah Akbar’….apparently, despite reports that ISIS have claimed the attack as one of theirs, the motive is still unclear.
Remarkable how the BBC can hold back essential elements of a story…the Mail brings us the reality:
‘Boom boom boom – he’s killing the kids’: Iranian gunman, 18, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ executed children in Munich McDonald’s before killing NINE in mall rampage and turning gun on himself
No mention of Allah Akbar, no mention that ISIS have said it is one of their Jihadis. The BBC wasn’t so restrained when it came to reporting claims that Thomas Mair had shouted ‘Britain first’ as he killed Jo Cox as they tried to associate the Brexit campaign with the murder.
One eyewitness told the BBC they heard her attacker shout “put Britain first” at least twice beforehand.
Why the refusal to report the initial eye-witness claims in cases of probable Muslim terrorism? The BBC are prepard to take a punt on the truth when it involves what they think is a white far-right attacker but not when the attacker is probably a Muslim….one he’s Iranian and two ISIS have claimed the attack…so almost certainly a Muslim.
The BBC have a load of Eyewitness accounts and yet not this one……
Muslim eyewitness heard “Allahu Akbar”
A Muslim woman, named by CNN as Lauretta, told the channel she heard the gunmen shout “Allahu Akbar” as they shot children.
‘I know this because I am a Muslim. I saw the shooting of children, who were sitting down to eat. They could not run.’
The BBC does manage to report this though…
Witness Luan Zequiri said he was at the scene when the shooting broke out. He tells the Germany broadcaster n-tv that he heard the attacker yell an anti-foreigner slur.
Desperately hoping this is another Thomas Mair or Breivik no doubt.
Oh hang on…the BBC almost, very nearly, gives a hint that maybe something else was shouted:
There have been contradictory reports in the media and online about the attackers’ motives and about things they may have shouted while shooting.
Any thoughts on what that might have been?
Oh and this:
A Muslim newspaper in Germany, Islamische Zeitung, tweets that mosques in Munich will stay open overnight for anyone who needs refuge.
Sweet.
The BBC’s latest summary:
Summary
- Police in Germany have given a ‘cautious all-clear’ following a mass shooting at a Munich shopping centre
- At least nine victims have died. More than 20 were injured, including three critically
- The suspect was an 18-year-old German-Iranian dual national who lived in Munich
- He is believed to have been acting on his own and killed himself. His motive is “completely unclear”, say police
- Young people and “adolescents” are among the dead, and children are among those injured
Kinda misses out a couple of interesting things no?
Sickening but worse, increasingly commonplace. “Allahu Akbar” is nearly always translated by non-native western speakers as “God is great”. Out of context this is a fairly innocuous sentiment, one that the religious among us (I’m not one) might choose to relate to. But there is an important error in the detail. “Great” is an adjective. “Greater” is a comparative adjective. If I’m right (needs verification) then the expression is comparative.
And whilst “God” is generally taken to mean the particular deity worshipped in the religion involved, we are clearly talking here about the Islamic version, Allah.
“God is great” is pretty meaningless beyond a declaration of faith and devotion. But “Allah is greater” takes on a more significant meaning once you contextualise it inside of a terrorist act. It is a statement of superiority and dominance that is wholly consistent with one of Islam’s core narratives, that it should seek to overthrow all alternative faiths.
Allahu Ackbar ” actully means Allah is the greatest. In effect, Muslims are screaming at us that Allah is greater then your god or God. Admit it and become Muslim, or die.
It is a supremacist statement, to show that in battle, which Muslims are in always against the Infidel, that your deity will be defeated by allah, and thus your side.
This is the precise interpretation by the incomparable Pamela Geller, who devotes so much of her time and energy to exposing the motives of the followers of the Religion of Peace:
“God is greater.”
Greater than who? Greater than your God.
And of course there is no limit to the atrocities these devotees inflict on the innocent in order to try to prove that point – while proving the exact opposite.
It’s been clear for a long time that the BBC tiptoes on eggshells, dhimmi-fashion, around Islam in general and the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in particular. In so much of its ‘reporting’ the BBC has become irrelevant as a news organisation. And nowhere is this more evident than in its attempts to minimise and explain away the evil of the Religion of Peace.
I blame Brexit.
The BBC has been among my least trusted news sources for some time, it’s selective reporting to fit a narrative being only one reason why. The comments regarding social media by the authorities in light of the attacks are worrying, we may not be too far away from censorship and maybe even temporary shutdown should further atrocities occur, leaving only our mushroom cultivating keep em in the dark and feed em on shite state broadcaster to keep us informed.
The BBC has been spewing out a continuous “Let us not jump to conclusions” propaganda for the last 5 hours.
They calculate that by the time the facts are in, and the mass murderers are revealed to be Muslim, they can safely move on to the next news item more worthy of broadcast– how a hijab was pulled, or a Muslim was stared at.
The culture of Islam is way too different from the West. It must be obvious by now that we cannot assimilate Islam, or democratize it. As Muslim growth rate is far higher then ours, in less then 50 years, we will be an Islamic country. One way or other, we have to separeate from Islam and Muslims, or this civilisation is dead.
The paucity of information overnight has been notable.
However, the BBC has rushed out this ‘Breaking News’ emaIl:
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Breaking News
Munich gunman acted alone, say police
Munich shootings which left nine dead carried out by one gunman who then killed himself, police say
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True, this is what police say, but the BBC has a spotty record with what anyone in authority says, depending on whether it suits the narrative or not. If the former, immediate po-faced ‘reporting’ as gospel. If the latter, anything from watertight oversight to convoluted ‘analysis’ and wheeling out a better class of expert.
Not sure that the police, especially German, or the BBC, are convincing anyone after Paris, Brussels, Cologne, Nice etc result in the exact same template claims and responses over and over again.
GW,
I cannot trust the word of the German police anymore than the BBC.
Maybe the BBC can get the Mayor of Cologne in to clarify… and calm things down a bit?:
As all is now sorted.
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“Munich Police say witnesses report three different people with firearms, who are still on the run. They advise people in the city to seek shelter.
This unverified footage shows shots being fired outside a McDonalds on Hanauer Street earlier. Latest updates: bbc.in/2am9Evm
David Wood . He is excellent.
And David Wood on the axe attack in Germany, and advice to Germany.
The BBC are censoring as much as they can. The male early morning sofa jockey in his review of the newspaper headlines mentioned that there were pictures which might be upsetting. He held up the front page of one of the papers to show no doubt that the BBC was being ‘open’ but in doing so the jerk waved his open hand all across it so we couldn’t see the photograph.
The BBC is sick.
And the odious, UK- hating Justin Webb, arch-Beeboid spawn of a Beeboid, was asking a Munich representative on Toady this morning if Trump’s words may have influenced events there. FFS!
if Trump’s words may have influenced events there.
Then I look forward even more to Trump as POTUS.
“He held up the front page of one of the papers to show no doubt that the BBC was being ‘open’ but in doing so the jerk waved his open hand all across it so we couldn’t see the photograph.”.
It’s all about the dignity of the victims Peter.
Dignity.
PS. noun: dignity: “the state or quality of being worthy of honour or respect”
The word “irony” comes to mind I must confess…….
Reports are coming in that the Jihadi targetted children in McDonalds. Nothing whatever about this on BBC.
NCBBC
Children you say? Well there’s a clear imperative to protect their dignity surely?……
Unless it’s a child drowned on a beach that is…..Scream that one from the roof-tops.
How is it that we are allowing wolves to buy assault weapons. If so, it makes it far more difficult for Red Riding Hood.
If Muhammad himself was walking around the shopping mall, opening fire on the infidels and declaring “we must submit and annihilate all non-belivers to please Allah my Muslim brothers”, the vile, disgusting traitors at Al Beebistan would still conclude it was “a lone wolf, who clearly has mental illness and what he was doing had nothing to do with lslam, because Islam is peaceful and tolerant…” I suppose in a way, I agree with the mental illness part because clearly a pedophilic blood thirsty warlord who went to a cave and heard voices in his head is clearly a psychopath!
It’s going to be really interesting to see how the detail plays out and how the scumbags at Al Beeb propagate this. Cult Al Beebs unchangeable doctrine state that no matter how many acts are carried out in the name of Islam, by Muslims, stating that Islam is the reason they are doing it, it’s nothing to do with lslam (stay with me folks..they actually believe this lunacy!!!). To give this delusional bullshit any credence, the delusionists have re-written history to wipe from existence all Islamic attacks carried out before the creation of IS (otherwise known as the State created to forefill Muhammads instruction and please Allah). Therefore IS and Islam have become completely separate in the eyes of the delusionists/traitors and this is creating a problem with how to propagate the bullshit message. Al Shabab, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram are nothing to do with IS but are 100% Islamic… If this attacker is confirmed to be Shi’a, then clearly he is nothing to do with IS either! It’s going to be really interesting to see how the traitors shoehorn this….
Go back to around 630 AD and that’s Mohammed WAS walking round, butchering infidels and declaring everyone must submit to Allah and annihilate non-believers. It’s clearly documented in the Islamic holy book.
Tothepoint,
” It’s going to be really interesting to see how the traitors shoehorn this…. ”
May I please draw your attention to this Bill Whittle Firewall piece? While not strinctly relevant to your question as it pertains to Europe if you skip to the money shot from 2.00 minutes to the end it expresses what I think about your point.
What a fantastic video.
Looking forward to seeing it again on BBC soon.
They have it on loop on their homepage.
Great video boohanna
Of course they don’t care about us. They already know what we know and so much more. We only know the details that sneak through the sensorship or we are fed. These traitorous bastards know all the transcripts and details of every single successful, failed, and talked about Islamic act (which are now endless). Our governments listen in on everything that is going on in the Islamic world. They know full well that Muslims are hell bent on destroying us and they know full well that these Muslims are doing so because Islam tells them to! What should make anyone who loves this country and the people who live here most angry, is our elite know that our people are going to keep dying on our streets but they do not give a flying and will never do anything about it. We are expendable and mean nothing to them.
If you spend 15 seconds looking through Google about what Islam truly means and the horrific violence it mandates, it becomes clear that something is horribly wrong with this death cult and therefore our treatment by the very people who have sworn to protect us. Our establishment rely on our apathy and fear to blindly ignore these facts and follow the fabricated message….and just in case, change our laws to punish those who speak out and criminalise/shut down the avenues to debate the truth about Islam and whether the people of Europe want Islam as their future.
Look at the disgraceful treatment of brexiteers. Look at the vile and disgusting treatment of Trump. Look at the shameful and devious treatment of Lord Farage…who has been utterly correct about everything he has ever said!!! Look at the treatment of ‘class war’ and the other terrorist left wing organisations who are as hell bent on destroying our way of life than the killing crazed death cult…..our establishment DO NOT care about us, care about your future, care about your loved ones, care about protecting those you care about from being massacred, care about removing all those privileges they were given to ensure self preservation…..the list is endless…..
You are quite correct.
Also be in no doubt at all that the surveillance machinery, if it so chose, can have complete awareness of what the disgruntled like those here say and in real time.
I always make an assumption that everything I write on this cyberinterwebby thing is monitored.
Everything.
I’m in no doubt that we are monitored on here. I am in no doubt that I would be sacrificed before the current establishment give up on the “we must protect Islam at all costs” project. The fact is I need to say something because I know what is going to happen to this country if things continue the way they are. Things are going to go very extreme, very quickly and I don’t want that. I don’t want innocent people being dragged out of their homes and beaten or much worse in retaliation for Islams brutality. I don’t want racist, bigoted, fascist lunatics to take control of our freedom and democracy and take us back to the dark ages..
And Islam and our own people are going to do that if things do not change. I don’t want any more innocent Europeans butchered when they go shopping in the evening, for just being infidels in the eyes of Muhammad. I don’t want my children growing up to live in a violent, desperate world where everyone hates each other because we didn’t have the balls to say “Purest Islam is not compatible with our way of life and has to be completely banned if the other peaceful communities are going to live in peace and prosperity.
People are not the problem, Islam is!! No other religions are the problem. Islam is!!! This isn’t about race you left wing communist bastards!!! Ask those innocent Nigerian girls, abducted by Boko Haram, if they believe it’s racist to criticise Islam!!! It’s their own people abducting them but their own people brainwashed by purest Islam.
The BBC’s conclusions:
1 The Munich police did a fantastic job and they are free from any criticism.
2 It is not clear whether it is an act of terrorism.
I guess William Hill will have a different view of the latter.
I think it is somewhat churlish to criticise the emergency services in these situations. They’ve been deliberately neutered by the left and are now powerless to prevent attacks.
That being said, it is clearly an act of terrorism by a Muslim. Whether it is ‘Islamic Terrorism’ is impossible to say at this time – perhaps he is a self-hating Muslim?
Either way, if the muslim hadn’t been living in Germany, those people would still be alive. Something that many people will be quietly pondering at home.
The Believer – my friend keeps recommending this movie which explores the issues of ‘self hate’. I haven’t got round to it yet, but perhaps it is relevant (Just to be clear, I’m not posting this as some kind of ‘Zionist’ connection/motive)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/mediaviewer/rm58760960
Great post.
One correction. In BBC lingo. they do not permit Islamic State – it is “so called Islamic state”. Else people will get the idea that “Islamic” has something do with Islam – which of course it doesn’t.
Two Beeboids taking turns to stand on the same road junction in Munich this morning , telling us exactly nothing new about the killer, or his motivation for gunning down innocent civilians. Real value for money.
Watched the BBC Breakfast show this morning, to catch the Morning papers slot (08:39). Guest to review the papers was Nazir Afzal OBE. He has recently been appointed as Chief Executive of the Police & Crime Commisioner in England and Wales. Previously he held the post of Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England.
Naturally they showed the covers of various newspapers that had an array of views from the Munich terrorist attack and the male of the presenting duo said: “it’s been changing so much overnight hasn’t it, most of the papers struggling to get to the latest.”
Cue Nazir:
“I think, i think, hmm, when i went to bed it was multiple gunmen, erm, various different sites, i think it’s an issue really around the social media here. For starters mainly because it’s a force for good. as we all know, and there has been a great deal been said about people of for example offering Mosques and Synagogues please come to us if you need a place of safety, er, and you’re in danger in some way.
“But at the same time there was somebody fabricated the stories, fabricated pictures, er, which were adding to the fuel, the fuel, y’know to the hate, yeah….
(interjection “from Africa” etc)
“Absolutely, all that does is all that terrorism is about is creating fear and hate and so when you’ve got those kind of images being broadcasting, as if it’s happening now, you’re just going to add to the fear and hate to what we’re facing. So i’m hopeful (mumble) we’ve been through terrorism many many times sadly and this atrocity is, is, one more, er, that we have to deal with.
“But, i’m hopeful that we be, our responses are assured and that we reassure that we are safer and i want to say something about the Police. Because, y’know, my new role is as Chief Executive of Police Officers, is about telling people how brave they are. When when you talk about victimes, y’know, people were running away from danger, police were running towards it and that to my mind is something we should never forget.
(interjection “people say, how well police have acted”)
“Absolutely. We we sometimes don’t recognise how important they are to us”
What tosh.
Next topic. Donald Trump.
“Yeah, he’s everywhere. He’s now been given the Republican nomination as President, er, Hillary Clinton we know Democratic leader. He’s now positing himself as the, er, the working class the the those forgotten, very similar to the narrative we had in the Brexit campaign. He talks about immigration being a problem, well America was built on immigration. He talks about, er, isolationism, building that wall, er, when the USSR built a wall we had thirty years of the cold war.
“He talks about law and order being an issue for him. In America it’s not a Federal issue, it’s a State issue so, but he, what he’s saying seems to resonate with a very large community and very large groups of people. So this election is now entering, long election period, is now entering its last leg but it’s getting very interesting.
(interjection “Razzmatazz”)
“So much money, wow, we have limits what you can spend as candidates spend billions on their campaign. We get upset if people spend a few more pounds that they’re supposed to.
(interjection “like a movie set”)
“It is from my perspective, i think we have to prepare for six months more of this.
(intejection “only six months”)
“Sadly.”
Just like the Munich story , no challenge or questioning from the dynamic duo. For instance, Trump has quite clearly stated throughout his campain that he is concerned with illegal immigration and people entering the United States from the middle east and elsewhere without documentation. Also, he’s funded his own campaign.
Anyway, those of you familiar with Nazir Afzal, will no doubt remember one particular performance on C4 news during the Rochdale grooming gang case when he was interviewed by Jon Snow.
Listening to him this morning and his comments over the Rochdale grooming gang you’re left wondering, certainly i am, how such odious people climb to such prominence in our country.
Here, courtesy of Linkedin, is the Nazir Afzal profile:
Nazir has been appointed Chief Executive of the Police & Crime Commissioners in England & Wales and supports those elected in delivering safer communities nationally. They hold a policing budget of £8 billion across the country to tackle offending in all its forms
Nazir was Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England and formerly Director in London. The first from a minority. During his 24 year career, prosecuted some of the most high profile cases in the country and advised on many others. Nazir has campaigned tirelessly on a range of issues including Violence against women and girls, child sexual abuse, and honour based violence. He has advised UK government ministers and trains lawyers and judges from other countries. His prosecutions of the so called Rochdale grooming gang, BBC presenter Stuart Hall & hundreds of others were groundbreaking and drove the work that has changed the landscape of child protection
Nazir is a tutor for several leadership programmes in the public and private sector & has made presentations to dozens of diverse organisations worldwide. An outstanding communicator giving hundreds of interviews across media platforms. He writes regularly for national and international newspapers. He is as a Trustee of several NGOs and is former Chair of the Prince of Wales’ Mosaic Trust. He is Pro Chancellor of Brunel University & Honorary Fellow of the University of Central Lancashire and an Honorary Doctorate in Law by the University of Birmingham.
in 2005; he was awarded an OBE by the Queen for his work. He has also had the honour of being the only lawyer to ever prosecute a case before the Queen.
“An inspiring figure, forensically intelligent” – Times Editorial, November 2012
“Until recently crimes encountered by pioneering prosecutor rarely troubled a courtroom, now these issues have risen to the top of the Policy agenda” – The Independent, July 2012
“The authentic voice of British Justice” – New York Times, October 2013
Watch this space but Nazir Afzal OBE, who prosecuted a tiny minority of the Rotherham/Rochdale rape gangs and has been boasting about his commitment to the law and how the rape gangs were not influenced by religion or culture to lefty students, was recently heard telling about plans to make a Hollywood movie about the prosecution of the rape gangs. He said to the students that he wants Denzel Washington to play him in the movie.
I wish I could give links and further details of my sources.
Its unimaginable how the authorities allowed the brutal gang rapes of tens of thousands of young White girls all over Britain (and not just the 1400 in Rotherham), over decades. If this had been done by a victorious army, it would still be regarded as a war crime. But it was not a victorious army that allowed this to happen.
The true figure is likely to be anywhere between 30,000 to 50,000. Assuming each girls serviced 10 Muslim men, leads to a very conservative figure of 300,000 to 500,000 Pakistani Muslim men. This is virtually the entire Pakistani community, as there is no doubt that the women knew what was going on.
The punishment for such a war crime, which amounts to an act war by Pakistani Muslims against the UK, should be banishment of the entire community. As for the political elite who allowed it to happen, I cant think of any punishment that suits such monstrous treason.
This is a huge war crime, committed by Pakistani Muslims in complicity with the authorities. And that is why it is being brushed under the carpet.
This is the Nazir Afzal interview i referred to earlier:
Foxes and chickens come to mind.
I knew him. He’s a twat.
It seems clear to me now that the media, led by German authorities playing all the usual games with intelligence, are not going to ever render a true account of what actually happened in Munich last night. All I can glean, to date, is that an 18 year-old ‘German-Iranian’ who had apparently only been in Germany for two years shot dead nine people, injured several others and then killed himself. He might (or might not) have shouted any number of things, and might or might not have been angry at ‘foreigners’.
No word at all on whether this ‘German-Iranian’ was a muslim. Not. A. Word.
BBC and Sky News were pushing heavily towards the ‘right wing extremist’ meme last night as they desperately hoped they’d finally have an anti-migrant massacre on their hands. Sadly for them, even the twisted narrative they are still trying to spin might not be so accommodating, after all (but they’ll keep trying, or just bury the whole story down the memory hole if things don’t pan out as they’d like).
German authorities, meanwhile, continue to obfuscate and misdirect, mindful, no doubt, that nothing must disturb their borderless, multicultural, diversity narrative.
Do we get the news we deserve – or are the progressive msm just not interested in journalism any more?
He didn’t have a beard though……
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice how many bearded German cops there were?
Uncanny.
I did, often with shaven heads. I’d find one of them pointing a gun at me scary to say the least.
Yes I did.
Muslims like to go for jobs that give them them opportunity to rule over Kuffars. By the same token Muslims should be barred from professions such as prosecutors, judges, police, immigration officers. I cannot see how to trust them, when as Muslims they are required to oppress the Infidel and humiliate him.
In their own countries, such as Pakistan or Egypt, the only job available to Christians is that of road sweepers or latrine cleaners.
NCBBC, you refer to Muslims occupying professions such as those you mention. But, whatever employment they have (I know its rare) their dealings with the kuffar, are ruled by their own, ‘Get Out of Jail Free Card’. Its know as, ‘Taqiyya’. In effect, they are free to lie and deceive at will. One more (if one more is required) reason to hold every last one of them in contempt.
G
True. Sadly.
Obi, can they get a mention of Nigel Farage in somewhere? Suggest somewhere round about, ‘Right-Wing’.
Did anyone else find last night’s BBC ‘News’ at Ten one of the most offensive and biased ever? All I was hearing was the usual pathetic ‘far-Right extremist’ and ‘Right-wing terrorist’ etc even though the BBC know fine well that these Right-wing terrorists just simply don’t exist or if they do they surely, as evidence indicates, are not in any way, shape or form a unified and systematic movement able to coordinate attacks.
I thought the BBC were almost revelling in their glee that the attacker could be from the far-Right, even though there was no evidence to suggest this. However, as f*****g usual details now emerge that he was Iranian-born and shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ according to witnesses; however this will be covered up by the snowflakes and Jeremy Corbyn BBC fan club who instead use the old lone wolf/’mental illness’ line. Funny how the BBC ignore the ‘Allahu Akbar’ part of the story. However, the far-Left extremist BBC had no such reluctance in reporting that Jo Cox’s murderer allegedly shouted ‘Britain first’. They are an utter left-wing, biased disgrace.
The following essay is an interesting read. Incidentally, I never knew that we partly fund the utterly disgusting and anti-British propaganda outlet, Channel 4. It is repugnant and pure far-Left propaganda. It’s even worse than the BBC, but not by much!
http://www.weneedtotalkaboutislam.com/#!British-TV-was-the-Islamist-propaganda-machine-after-Nice-attack/c193z/579186890cf2a8522f941c5e
A good article…
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/23/tears-teddy-bears-but-no-resolve-to-deal-with-islamist-threat-in-europe/
BBC going for a far right explanation of Munich.
This will filter down to the pro Jihadist left such as UAF, and Class War for whom it will be a standard rebuttal of the case against Jihadism. This is the audience the BBC are playing to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497
GermanTV are citing the book “Amok im Kopf” found in the murderer’s flat as the link to Brevig. Supposedly the Munich killer targetted young people. This is the crudest form of distortion and deflection. The full title of the book is “Amok im Kopf:Warum Schüler töten” (Obsessed with spree killings: Why schoolchildren kill) and deals with Columbo High-type mass shootings with no political pretext. Brevig’s intent, as far as I remember, was to eliminate young socialists because of the future influence their ideology would have on society.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36874497
“The gunman who killed nine people in Munich was obsessed with mass shootings and had an obvious link to Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, German police say.”
Sorry, I don’t believe a word of it. Too many glaring inconsistencies before arriving at this version.
I don’t either; the BBC are doing all they can to hide the fact that this Iranian shouted ‘Alluha ackbar’. It’s pathetic… they trying to create a right-wing myth that simply doesn’t exist – it’s a dangerous game of lies they play. The German media are also now well known now for unforgivably and treacherously covering up islamic terrorist events and trying to blame it on far-Right etc. It’s that post-war guilt thing. However, German people are starting to fight back and have had enough; they are however (like we are here in UK) up against the thuggish far left communists who always side with the Islamists.
Me neither.
The wretched DT is at it as well. See below.
Breivik is a right wing terrorist who murdered left wingers. Sonboly murdered shoppers. The link is obvious isn’t it? Er..
I haven’t seen a single report saying that Sonboly was not a Muslim. That tells me he was.
In my library, I have books by Popper, Friedman, Powell, Benn, Plato, Aristotle, Marx, Nietzche, Joseph (Keith), Mao, Bentham, Mill and the collected speeches of Pelham-Villiers.
Thus I suppose to the BBC I “have links to” collectivist individualist leftist rightist classical liberal monetarist marxist socialist libertarian nationalist internationalist communism.
Or not.
Maybe I just read to much and need to get out more.
My reading’s not on as high a plane, Expat, but I’ve read a good few books on global history so I imagine the BBC or other ‘authorities’ could describe me as having an unhealthy interest in ‘shooting rampages’, ‘massacres’, ‘Hitler’, ‘fascism’, ‘massed killing’, ‘rape’, ‘murder’, ‘dismemberment’, ‘horror’, ‘genocide’, etc.
Lessons to be learnt from history? If you don’t do your own research you may never fully realise how power, propaganda and insanity often walk together and that, in spite of virtue-signalling noble high-minded ‘liberal values’, you may well be tagging along with them.
(And I’m not referring to you Ex!)
Anyway, when it comes to it, why not just stay at home and read your books? Who would want to go to a supermarket, take a bus or train, travel on the tube, walk along the beach, work in an office or … eat at McDonalds?
The Mail is currently playing into the usual BBC narrative , describing friend Ali as a ‘ mentally ill loner’. Now that the right wing plot narrative isn’t going to hold up, the BBC will go into full ‘it’s our fault’ mode blaming the German education system for his bullying , tbe mental health services for not dealing with him properly etc etc. all distractions from tbe underlying causes of these slaughters: mass immigration , the failure of Muslims to assimilate into our culture being the principle ones, all aided and abetted by the disastrous multiculturalism doctrine . So this guy and his family has been in Germany a long time. If immigration fails at the second generation, what will be the consequences of Germany having let in 1 million and rising in the last year or so? A proportion of these , even if not isil sleepers already , will be radicalised . And if not them , a proportion of their numerous offspring will present another threat in due course .
Maybe the powers that be are testing a new ‘counter strategy’ – paint them as sad loners and hope that the next guy thinks twice because he knows that he’ll be portrayed as a sad loser too. It is clearly bollocks, but I think they’re out of ideas.
It’s interesting to contrast and compare the current versions of the Munich police conference on Sky and the BBC. Sky (itself about as far to the Left as the MSM gets on most occasions) doesn’t mention Brevik at all. Nor does it state as fact that the Iranian 18 year old was undergoing psychiatric treatment – only that he ‘may have been’.
That sound we can all hear? It’s the BBC grinding one of its axes again.
Here we go:
Munich shooting: Teenage killer Ali Sonboly ‘inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik’ and ‘used Facebook offer of free McDonald’s food to lure victims’
“He was described by police as a “depressed” loner receiving psychiatric treatment.
He kept stash of books about shooting rampages in his bedroom – police.
Authorities say “obvious link” between Munich shooter and 2011 Norway massacre.”
The choice of the very western McDonalds as a target doesn’t fit. And his Iranian background is presumably just a coincidence? Much frantic spinning going on.
Maria,
The Left, including the BBC and the DT, are in complete denial about what is happening in the World. Rabbits in the headlights.
German media seem to be clutching rather heavily at the Breveik straw. Apparently, young people of Greek, Turkish, Kosovian etc. extraction were amongst the victims. Sonboly had hacked various facebook accounts and offered free-meals to attract more people to McDonalds. What has all this to do with Breveig?
Quick Alan, maybe if you take this post down nobody will notice…..oh dear, too late. Still, maybe you can carry on with the narrative regardless of the facts.
Oh god Kikuchiyo, give it a rest will you? Yes, Alan made a mistake in saying that ISIS had claimed the fighter as one their own when in fact they hadn’t. Happy now?
But what about the rest of the post, which you conveniently ignore? ISIS are celebrating. Check. A Muslim eye-witness says the gunman shouted Allahu Akhbar. Check. The BBC isn’t reporting this. Check.
(And, in similar vein, why is the BBC suppressing the gunman’s Muslim first name, Ali, and reporting it as “David” – his middle name – instead? Can they not cope with the idea of a Muslim school shooter, or a Muslim national-socialist terrorist a la Brevik? Does it disturb their world order so violently that they have to lie by withholding?)
So… Why the question is, why isn’t the BBC reporting this information? We pay them to inform us yet they are deliberately withholding information in order to promulgate a political agenda. This is anathema to their Charter and an absolute outrage. Check.
You can nit-pick as much as you like but it doesn’t change anything: a factual error doesn’t necessarily invalidate an argument – it simply calls for correction.
Kikuchiyo
Is this article correct ?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/23/bbc-scrubs-muslim-name-ali-munich-killer-article/
Yes. Checked it out.
Alan will inevitably get it wrong because he wants to believe every attack is Islamic extremist before waiting for the facts. If you look at the BBC’s coverage it was what you’d expect….warn of the dangers of speculating, then speculate given what is known, and then find out everything known about the suspect and his motives once the facts emerge.
Newsnight on the night of the attack;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25/episodes/guide
As always, Alan’s narrative bears no relation to reality – if its mentioned that the suspect had mental health problems then as far as Alan’s concerned that’s the BBC’s line, and he ignores everything else. He consistently fails to weigh evidence against self-interest. We’ve seen this again and again – the attack in Orlando, and the murder of Jo Cox. So of course he will be proved wrong – regularly. Given the frequency of jihadi attacks he’ll also often be right – but a broken clock is right twice a day too.
If the BBC is hiding the ‘Ali’ part of his name, it ain’t doing a very good job:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36878436
Alan did the same with Brevik himself, and when it became clear that he was actually a ring-wing Nazi, I won’t forget how this site’s narrative then turned to…this wasn’t any ordinary youth camp – it was a labour party youth camp – so they kind of deserved it. It’s for you to live with your own conscience on how you can be associated with it.
Sounds like a Dylan Klebold to me.
Only with a Koran, some Muslim supremacist notions, on anti-depressants and with a gun that Klebold couldn`t have obtained in Germany, unless somebody online had helped him get,surely(if not a relative with Shia/Hezbo`llah roots).
Might not be true any of this-but I`d put Islam and anti-depressants top of the tree re excuses.
Only the BBC would be happy that IS hadn`t killed in Munich…these more general Muslim massacres allow for “the religion of peace” idea to be gently chipped back into us all.
He sounds like an Iranian version of Thomas Mair. If you kill 10 people, does it count as 10 hate crimes?
Munich killer David Ali Sonboly warned he would kill his classmates after a row at school, it has been reported.
The teenager told a 14-year-old girl living in his apartment block, “I will kill you all”, after falling out with peers just weeks before the shooting.
Good shout re Dylan Klebold, Chris.
Finally some sense?
It’s all very sad.
Not to mention the Ministry of Truth did not report the murder’s name in full: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/23/bbc-fixes-munich-killer-article-following-breitbart-expose-muslim-name-cover/ Also, the Independent did not have the Allah Akbar shout in its article – just a shout of I am German…….
If this Munich murderer is both a Muslim and a Neo-Nazi with far right views?
Who then is going to tell the BBC that these two conditions and worldviews are pretty much one and the same if you see is as Jew hating, Socialism supporting totalitarian EU One World crap.
Much as the BBC like to peddle all the time anyway.
So enough of the Breivik pole at one end, Islam at the other.
They are one and the same in many ways as Al Hosseini of the Jerusalem Mufti 1944 personnifed as he flew to offer his offices to Hitler-and his fellow believers fought in the Balkans for him too.
Well said Chris! It’s amazing that they can’t join the dots, isn’t it?
They can’t see that Islam and National Socialism (aka “Far Right”) have so much in common.
Instead, they think Muslims are “left wing” and Hitler was “right wing”.
So they just can’t have a Muslim National Socialist in their world – he must be one, or the other – but not both at the same time.
Despite, as you say, historical precedents.
And they are supposed to be enlightening us?!?
So called intellectuals and university lecturers seem to have deluded themselves into thinking that Hitler was not a national Socialist.This has been spread because, IMO it conflicts with their ideas of socialism, therefore Hitler must be right wing.. He was in fact anti capitalist and blames them (the German capitalists,especially the Jewish German capitalists) for Germany losing the First World War.
In 1927, Hitler said: “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Hitler was a Lefty, along with Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and all were anti capitalist and anti democratic.
very similar to the Muslim caliphate.
And Alan thinks an ideological motive and mental health problems are mutually exclusive….except when it was Thomas ‘Death to traitors, freedom for Britain’ Mair – when it was just mental health. And Seddique Mateen, that was ideological, and nothing to do with mental health. I’m sure there must be some reason for this inconsistency….can’t think why.
All very exciting stuff right now. I look forward to the BBC’s ‘taqiyya’ machine firing up again when the next atrocity occurs. Don’t think I’ll have to wait too long.
Where is Owen Jones on this terrorist attack?
Is he only available to discuss attacks on gays? As long as gays who do not love islam are excluded
BBC R4 now naming the terrorist as David Ali Sonboly (not Ali David Sonboly). You see what they did there?
With apologies to Paul Simon, the BBC can call him Al.
That’s older Al, not Al the younger, who didn’t make it off Obama beach.
Apparently.
The BBC has really not yet grasped folk have the Internet, and know how to use it, have they?
Lucky CECUTT is giving up any pretence of responding at all, much less sensibly.
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/23/the-munich-massacre-is-a-complete-coverup-the-munich-shooters-facebook-including-his-family-background-shows-he-is-not-iranian-but-a-syrian-islamist-pro-turkey/
Not sure about the site but their point of view is somehow interesting and obviously at the opposite end of al-beeb
Here we go again……lets light some more fucking candles, our hearts go out to the bereaved, speak meaningless platitutes about our multicultural wet dream society not being divided by hate, nothing whatever to do with the religion of peace……
bBBC Radio4 this morning – I really would like to thank them for educating me about what the Munich killings were really all about. I can just hear you all thinking that its much much too early to make assumptions about his motive, and who could possibly argue with such measured, nuanced insight. But after listening to the BBC it was clearly related to Anders Brevik who he idolised, and it was the 5th anniversary, and because most of the victims were children – a self evident link – really. And it was clearly about gun control – what? they already have gun control in Germany, er .. well it was clearly about alienation and the failure of Germans to integrate him – what he was born there, er well… he had mental health problems , er seems to be a lot of mental health problems among the followers of a certain religion…. and he was a drinker and liked carioci so clearly he wasnt a good mudslime, no I didnt mean to imply for a second there was any hint of a connection with a certain religion of peace, oh and he was probably radicalised because his German schoolfriends looked at him in a funny way or werent nice enough to him, er …and it was certainly about Brexit – huge increase in hate crime….., and what about that populist extreme right wing nazi Trump eh – isnt he awful eh readers, he must surely share some of the guilt for his outwageous waycist wetoric playing mercilessly on fear. Finally conclusive proof to refute the evil lies of the hatemongers (that’l be us) that there was no link to terrorism or a certain religion of peace because there was no ICIS?Daesh membership card found in his flat!
The German police are apparently still looking for a motive! Im sure their finest brains are on the case and although they mustnt jump to hasty conclusions cant rule out that this was a terrorist attack – well bugger me…..i’d never have even thought of that one….
Without these insights I could have been tempted to go to the internet and get completely the wrong story within 20 seconds, that he was an infidel hating psychopath piece of vermin ….silly me.
You couldn’t make this up. Have a look at the David Craig’s excellent snouts in the trough who articulates this much better than I ever could.
And is it just me that gets iwwitated or is it a contwactual wequirement to have a speech impediment to be able to work on the bBBC world service which oh so values diversity. Time to kill off the bBBC lie machine. We should all make a start by stopping paying the TV tax.
Five years though since Amy Winehouse died as well.
Was SHE on his Ipod shuffle?
Did our Muslim also have stupid tattoos all over his body, did he have pics of her rats nest drugged up beehive on his screen saver?
Did HE prance about in a trance to Toots and the Maytals?
Did HE spend too much time in front of video nasty games and take in industrial scale quantities of drugs-social, recreational or psychiatric…s`all drugs innit?
Did HE fail to become the Iranian Pete Doherty?
NCBBC makes a vital point below…the media care only about “official atrocity channels”.
When a school counsellor doles out the drugs, when Nintendo or BBC Worldwide play their Paed Piper of Hamelin choons…then it`s all OK, only nine kids…and THAT`LL screw McDs and their obesity agenda.
Can only think the BBC think we`re clueless about their continual lies and crap-“people getting angry” out here!
The candles and flowers etc brought to mind a dimly remembered verse from the old Testament, the ‘meaningless offerings’ mentioned in Isaiah. ‘Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting…And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.’
Europe’s hands are indeed full of blood.
The German police have now officially denied any links of the “Allahu Ackbar” screaming mass murderer to IS. Before IS came to alight, it used to be al Qaeda.
Our Western press, particularly the BBC, seem to think that Jihad can only be conducted via “official channels”, such as ISIS now, or al Qaeda a few years back.
This is intentional.
Ta Cranmer.
Am looking at Isaiah 1.10-15 now to get the full context of what you say.
If you add Isa 59. 1-8 you get a “top and tail” to divine revelation that is apposite today, with all these vainglorious Me-Fests of co-opted grief shows.
Funnily enough Peter Hitchens quotes Isa 58 in an article from a few months back..must be the place to be at the mo.
Reckon a lot of people are going to have to check their OT prophets very soon… my Muslims and Mormons seem the only groups so inclined to do so…so be it!
ChrisH, I’ve been thinking about this on and off since the Paris attacks last year. It strikes me that all the flowers, candles etc are in some sense a reversion to pagan sacrifices; a mystical appeasement of forces that we cannot understand. But the message of the Bible is ‘don’t make these vain offerings – change the way you live.’ ‘Rend your heart, not your garments’, as they say at the beginning of Evensong.
What’s wrong with a few candles?
Why not try out my new “Virtue Package” from Maria’s Memorial Momentos , my new business venture?
For £25 (incl p&p) I can send you everything you need to signal your superior virtue for one major atrocity or two or three lesser outrages. For your £25 you get:
Five candles in assorted colours and fragrances, plus a box of matches
One 8” teddy bear, in brown and white waterproof nylon
Generous length of string to attach teddy bear to railings, tree etc
Three waterproof Sharpies in assorted colours for adding your comments to commemorative walls, UKIP posters, or your own Post-It note
One wrist band
One 2”x2”pad of Post-It notes
One bottle of glycerine with eye dropper
For an extra £15, I can supply:
One “Socialist Worker” membership card to get you out of one of those intimidating situations. Please provide name and one passport sized photo
One 18” World Peace placard
One “Ban Trump” lapel badge
One recent copy of The Guardian.
PayPal accepted
Maria, this is excellent. You forgot one important item though. A sturdy white-board placard with the words ‘ #westandwith _____’ with a space for the name of the latest atrocity to be written in felt pen. This can be easily reused when the next atrocity occurs, making it environmentally friendly and economical as well as virtue-signalling!
Maria-brilliant.
Can I offer an ancillary service for a mass emoting maybe?
Use of a local church with planning permission, health and safety and organic catering provision.
Cathedral grounds and plastic lilies.,..and a light show that projects the German/Belgian flag…the French/US/Dutch or British light and flag options….and a possible scale model of the national “icon” so we can project and enlarge the projections as if it were a real-life show of our caring…fooling the viewer, as the BBC are wont to do.
Why not a body double tribute act of Hollande.Merkel, Obama to link arms down a playstreet maybe?
Suggest a discount for bloc purchases of your packages, so whole departments of uni fools can buy in solidarity with their grants freshly in, from September…I `m happy to drop them in over the next atrocity city in a rainbow patterned parachute, if only some Arab, dopey Canadian spliffhead or boozy Ryanair type can lend me the glider pilot license…won`t be asking Strathclydes helicopter jockeys though, WDR .
Now then-you thinking which third world hell hole will make the teddies for us?…Muslim AND Socialist…shall we ask ” This Is What an” I`m Backing Jezz” feminist looks like?”…where they get their brownshirts and wristbands from?
What about a handy folding pocket burkha, like a pac-a-mac. In the event of a mass slaughter, both men and women could quickly put them to confuse the enemy.
Maria, I think you are making a big mistake here…
Blank PostIt notes? How are virtue signalling lefties supposed to know what to say? No, clearly they should be pre-printed with platitudinous phrases – handy for all manner of Islamic terror attacks. Things like:
NO HATE
#BringBackOurMurdered
NOT IN MY NAME
NO MUSLIM DID THIS
NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM
ISLAM IS PEACE
MOHAMMED WAS NOT A PAEDOPHILE!
(OK, perhaps not that last one).
Maria,
Brilliant post.
Thank you all for your suggestions. I like the flag projection idea. Look out for future packages for self-righteous hypocrites who want to impress members of their peer group with the minimum of sincerity or commitment.
I’m also considering an “Emergency Go Bag” and check-list, containing everything you need to get out of the country at extremely short notice when it all kicks off. The folding pocket burkha, which is ingenious, might come in handy there (my nearest industrial centre is Bradford where I might have difficulty finding a suitable contractor. I’ll have to look further afield – Israel perhaps – they’ll understand).
Three torches with strong white light.
Filters for red, blue, yellow and a cover for black, and a white screen .
Small scale and no need to beg the National Gallery.
Can`t do Wales or Spain though, America would be a pfaff.
But so far-very simple…good old thoughful IS scum eh?
Could the burkas double as parachutes from medium sized buildings I wonder?….reckon you`re onto something Maria…if you`re selling shares, let us know!
On the subject of colours, I originally considered a set of face paints for the colours used in European flags to show “solidarity”. France, Italy, Netherlands and Luxembourg would be easy enough, then along came Belgium and Germany. I was advised by my solicitor that black face paint could be problematic, so I’ve shelved the idea.
MOHAMMED WAS NOT A PAEDOPHILE!
Then how about ” Mohamed loved children”.
PS:
Maria
Brilliant.
Maria, no second-hand shot up lorry available?
I have limited industrial space at the moment.
Perhaps in time …
Meanwhile `signs` that show multicultural politics are working…
Come on! Nobody is that gullible.
(Love the picture.)
Multiculturalism does work. Snigger.
The BBC are still up to their tricks regarding the name of the terrorist.
“Munich shooting: David Sonboly ‘planned attack for year'”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36878436
Posted just 2 hours ago. They aren’t even pretending to be impartial now.