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  1. Pete _ London says:
    November 10, 2004 at 9:36 pm

    Let’s personalise it shall we? What about the case of the 34 year old, pregnant Tali Hatuel and her 4 young daughters. All 5 were slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists who shot them up in their car. The terrorists then shot them each in the head at point blank range. A professional must be sure about things, eh?

    Look at their faces here:

    http://www.ou.org/NCSY/projects/5764/tali_hatuel.htm

    Don’t recognise them? Maybe you wouldn’t if you get your news from the BBC, the story was buried deep.

    By the way, if you care to venture into the Gaza Strip or the West Bank you can buy a tape of the slaughter. The terrorists had their own camera and captured the special moments for posterity.

    There is moral equivalence between Israel and the Palestinians.

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  2. JohninLondon says:
    November 10, 2004 at 11:07 pm

    Pete you forgot to mention that the killers then videotaped the dead mher and children.

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  3. JohninLondon says:
    November 10, 2004 at 11:07 pm

    Pete – sorry – you did mention it.

    Sickening bastards.

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  4. Rich says:
    November 11, 2004 at 9:39 am

    Pete, you’re full of crap on this one. Either side can ‘personalise’ things (i.e. Palestinian schoolkids being riddled with bullets – collateral damage presumably). If the Palestinians laid down their arms in current circumstances they’d have a ‘homeland’ with a large proportion of the most productive land inaccessible due to the Jewish religious nutcases living there, a f*cking great wall through the middle and a foreign power ‘monitoring’ large amounts of airspace and security policy. I think I’m a pretty fair minded person but I wouldn’t stand for that (although I’d probably write a strongly worded letter to the Times rather than blow someone up). Obviously the Israelis aren’t in a situation offer hugs all round either, for reasons which you rightly give.

    Whatever else it is, it isn’t simple. Anyone who claims otherwise is shockingly dim.

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  5. Andrew Paterson says:
    November 11, 2004 at 10:07 am

    Rich Israel will never hand back all the West Bank. No UN resolution attempts to dictate that, not would Israel accept such a move. The reason? Water supplies and more importantly security. Nobody should forget that the only reason that Israel annexed land was due to one of the series of wars of aggression that it suffered from due to its Arab neighbours. Instead of the ‘The Times’ a better outlet for a disparaging letter would perhaps be Cairo ;-).

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  6. Rich says:
    November 11, 2004 at 11:24 am

    You’re quite right. Similarly I can’t imagine that any Palestinian (even of the minority? who accept Israel’s right to exist) would ever accept that Israel has a right to occupy that particular territory. Both perfectly reasonable positions, hence the impossibility of ever agreeing a settlement on the basis of what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. Obviously there’s a never ending argument over who started the various wars by which Israel acquired the territory in the first place as well, nothing is black and white.

    I’ve probably misrepresented my position in previous comments in that I think the one indisputable fact of the issue is that Israel is a far more pleasant country/organisation than the Palestinian territory or any of it’s other neighbours. I’m just trying to make the point that zealots on here who believe that the Israelis are ‘right’ and that the media is biased for not reflecting this are ridiculously simplifying the issue.

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  7. Andrew Paterson says:
    November 11, 2004 at 12:04 pm

    I agree to an extent. I think most peoples problem is the absoulutely one sided approach to the whole situation the BBC and others take through distorting history or simply ignoring it. For example the fact that a minority of Palestinians and their leaders even accept the concept of the two-state solution is ignored by the BBC on almost any occasion. This morning Hamas’s opposition to Arafat was characterised on Breakfast by claiming that they were against him as ‘they thought he made too many concessions to Israel’. This is an absurd way of summarising Hamas’s beliefs; the reality is they’re against ANY concessions to Israel as they want it destroyed, something they make no secret of. By ignoring such facts to fit the political ideology that underlines BBC news output they disgrace a supposedly impartial national broadcaster.

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  8. Pete _ London says:
    November 11, 2004 at 5:04 pm

    Rich

    Your comments noted. However, the stance taken by individuals, newspapers and large, international news agencies that both are equally wrong (which is a commonly stated belief) or that there is some moral equivalence, that this is some kind of intractable arguments by two parties equally at fault, is a gross and wicked distortion of the facts.

    “Pete, you’re full of crap on this one. Either side can ‘personalise’ things (i.e. Palestinian schoolkids being riddled with bullets – collateral damage presumably).”

    I admit to often being full of crap Rich, but not here. I assume you’re referring to a poor lad called Mohammed Al-Dura.

    http://www.laveritemaintenant.org/Members/webmestre/images/aldura.jpg

    He was famously murdered by Israeli troops during a firefight with Palestinians.

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  9. Pete _ London says:
    November 11, 2004 at 5:08 pm

    cont’d …

    Th murder was (quite rightly) broadcast loud and clear around the world, by the BBC and others. Unfortuntely for the BBC and others, it turns out he wasn’t murdered by Israeli troops.

    He was murdered by Palestinians.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15879

    I won’t await the spectacle of the BBC and other anti-semitic critics to eat humble pie. Its not their style. This does highight one simple point. Opinion, rhetoric and cant are all very fine in their place but nothing trumps facts.

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  10. Rich says:
    November 11, 2004 at 6:09 pm

    I was thinking of that schoolgirl a while ago but some website somewhere has probably decided that she shot herself so I won’t go there.

    I’m a bit peturbed by the anti-Semitic point. I think that most of the bonkers left wingers genuinely hostile to Israel have surrendered to the usual ‘plucky downtrodden poverty stricken underdog’ mentality rather than dislike of Jews and the more rational element tend to have legitimate criticisms of the Israeli government rather than anything more sinister.

    In any case this argument could go on for as long as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict itself so I’ll go and simmer my hatred in preparation for the far more important conflict at the Lane on Saturday.

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  11. Pete _ London says:
    November 11, 2004 at 7:20 pm

    Rich

    Truce called then. I’ll likewise go and prepare myself for glorious Sperz thrashing at the hands of Henry & Co.

    Whoops, have I kicked it all off again?

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  12. Roxana Cooper says:
    November 12, 2004 at 4:48 pm

    I agree with Rich. Leftist anti-Israelism isn’t so much the product of classic anti-semitism as it is of intellectually fashionable anti-westernism.

    Israel is definitely a western nation with western values, so it must be the evil aggressor QED.

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