I thought I’d create a special post to recognise something from the BBC website which is very interesting. Paul Reynolds has taken, in his opinion articles, to updating by means of clearly bracketed insertions into the main text. Further from stealth editing it would not be possible to get. This latest piece is currently featuring alongside the BBC’s top story, the cartoon controversy. I’m interested to know what people think of this, and no doubt Paul would be too. In principle I think it would be a massive step forward for BBConline if it became the norm and not the exception. The current article includes among its updates some of the things the internet has uncovered about the Danish Imams delegation, including the origin of the ‘Muhammed with a pig’s face’ cartoon- sourced back to one of France’s quainter traditions: the pig squealing competition.
Regarding the Reynolds analysis, I think that the BBC are still underplaying the role of the Danish Imams in conjunction with the diplomats of various Middle Eastern countries. It is, for Reynolds, only ‘one aspect’, and very much the fag end of his analysis. I was interested in this Winds of Change analysis, which went further even than I have in alleging conspiracy. One other thought: Reynolds says, regarding the fake cartoons, that ‘Western diplomats appear to have missed this entirely’. It is hard to apportion blame, but somewhere along the line governments depend on the media to pick up news and publicise it. The BBC should have been questioning their sources for a story that they’ve been covering on and off for five months. The BBC should have been looking in detail at the Danish cartoons: this was not a matter for intelligence, but media diligence and scepticism.
aggrh – try again – this should work
The quote about the Muslim immigrants to Denmark and their use of the Danish welfare system is contained in this article co-authored by Lars Hedegard who is a Danish writer:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/denmark.htm
I forgot who was asking for the source, but there it is if you need it.
By the way, we now see that the cartoons from Jyllands-Posten were published in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr last October!
Anybody wanna lay a bet on how many days it will take “the world’s leading broadcaster” to report this news (that the whole blogsphere knows right now)? 5 days? 6 days? Will they report it at all?
Thak you for the reference Susan – most interesting and entirely predictable.
It is unfortunate in Europe that Socialism fell in love with State Power – that is because ALL European countries were once absolutist monarchies with absolute sovereign power and Socialists liked the thought of sitting on the throne as if a cockpit to drive the nation.
Having “lost” the proletariat to gentrification and higher wages leading to embourgeoisement the Socialists looked to another lumpenproletariat and had to import it.
By importing a new client base, making sure they do not integrate, do not speak the native language, the Socialists can create a voting bloc which the “village elders” can deliver in return for bakhsheesh as in their home countries.
At some stage the traditional legacy working class or even lower middle class voter notes the focus on the new clientele and deserts the Socialist Party which is then forced to ‘split’ as it tries to balance two dissimilar voter groups.
Labour has the same problem in Britain – its inner city seats are in the hands of Muslim party activists and its catering to the very rich celebrity culture has alienated its traditional voters, while keeping top tax rates frozen since 1988 (the only tax frozen so long) it has bought the media and high earners who were always more concerned with their personal taxes than anything else.
This coalition is now collapsing and fractured. This is the nature of post-1990 Socialist Parties.
Labrat: re Denmark taking voer UNSC – veeeryyyyyyyyyyy interesting point…..wonder if anyone else picked up on that?
“Muslims can apply their social norms in countries where they form the majority”.
You see, this is where I have a fundamental problem with the BBC’s reporting (and the liberal media’s) of Islam and the mainstream media’s craven ‘sensitivity’ towards that system of beliefs.
The political manifestation of Islam is Sharia Law, a form of brutal religious apartheid which is an affront to those who believe in fundamental rights such as equality before the law, freedom of conscience and belief, protection of minorities, et cetera.
We now have a situation in which the BBC has failed to see that the Danish cartoon fracas has not only been exploited by political Islamists – whose aim is, and has always been, to implement a system of Sharia – but also by governments who have already implemented elements of this political system. In Islam, Sharia laws are a given, yet our media seem to treat it as if it is morally equivalent to liberalism or Boy David’s ‘liberal conservatism’.
It is not: Sharia, formally and informally, is repressing millions around the world; far more than suffered under apartheid in South Africa. There are some more ‘liberal’ nations where Sharia has been held at bay but, gradually, these countries are being squeezed as political Islam’s influence grows.
Sharia is not an acceptable political system simply because it is informed by ‘Allah’, yet our liberal media appears unconcerned by its spread or its consequences. But there are already elements of Sharia all over the place, from special finance laws and Muslim-only schools to bans on Winnie-the-Pooh. If the ‘EU’ or other such body bans depictions of Mohammed in the mainstream press, this will be yet another small concession to the bullyboys of political Islam.
PS: this is not intended to be a cry of “we’re all doomed” – more of a cry for help. 🙂
Remember they speak from Fear.
The Establishment in Europe is frightened – they are frightened that Le Pen has 22% support in France; and they are frightened that the BNP looks prophetic in forecasting a bombing when the British Government ignored a Saudi warning in December 2004 of same………….
They are all hoping to tell the children to go back and shop and not to worry their heads about matters………..
They are so very much afraid and denial is not uncommon
“They are so very much afraid and denial is not uncommon”
keep an eye out for the Antwerp mayoral elections – its looking very likely that the far-right Vlams Blok will win it.
election in march i believe.
referred to at the bottom of this story:
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1800764
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4694876.stm
“But one of the clerics, Ahmed Akari, told the BBC the imams carried three extra caricatures of Muhammad that were far more inflammatory than the original 12, and were believed to have been drawn by extremists as part of a hatemail campaign.”
oh dear bbc. you really do fall for this stuff dont you.
meanwhile , we get the vox-pop-from-iran:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_iranians_react_to_cartoon_row/html/1.stm
of course the fact that Iran is a police state is never alluded to.
‘The quote about the Muslim immigrants to Denmark and their use of the Danish welfare system is contained in this article co-authored by Lars Hedegard who is a Danish writer:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/i…id3/ denmark.htm
I forgot who was asking for the source, but there it is if you need it.’
Hi Susan
Thanks for that. I don’t find that statistic in there though.
I find it mentioned in the article but then qualified by the authors
They say
‘leaked figures from an unpublished study showing that in 1999, the 5% of the Danish population made up of Third World immigrants received 35% of all welfare payments (Danish: kontanthjaelp). This percentage is higher today and therefore we wrote that that 5% consumes “upwards of 40% of the welfare spending.”
Third World isn’t the same as Muslim, you know.
Third World isn’t the same as Muslim, you know.
Hello Anonymous (are you the same nasty old Anonymous from times past, who hates me so much?)
Most of the “Third World” immigrants to Denmark are Muslim. Which you would know if you knew anything about that country.
Third World isn’t the same as Muslim, you know.
Anonymous |
No, but it does sound like a good descriptor of Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Algeria, Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey…………..
Which Muslim country enjoys a First World per capita income ?
Sorry for sniping at you anonymous. I shouldn’t have been so rude. Your comment was reasonable, but yes, as I understand it, most of the “Third World” immigrants in Denmark are Muslim.
There are also Russian and Eastern European immigrants who have caused a certain other set of problems as well.
Viking Invasions- where did that come from. In Denmark they are known as “Merchant Farmers”. Farmers who took to ships to ply their wares. Viking appears in English text books but not in Danish.
The Muslim population in Denmark is minute compared to the Genocidal Soviet Union era Russian invasion of their surrounding states. In Estonia they have a little joke. “The basement of the (former) KGB HQ has the best view in all of Estonia. On a clear day you can see Siberia”.
Putin is trying to entice them back to the Motherland.
ETHNIC RUSSIAN POPULATIONS
ESTONIA 330,000
LATVIA 676,000
LITHUANIA 278,000
UKRAINE 8.2 MILLION
MOLDOVA 260,000
ARMENIA 30,000
BELARUS 1.2 MILLION
AND SO AROUND THE ASIAN STATES.
As for smoking Hookahs I have never seen anyone drunk in charge of a hookah, fighting mad, legless and foul mouthed (I can think of a few danish sailors who have been) The hookah pipe seems to send them to sleep.
Sarge,
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking
the term Viking was used across Scandinavia as well as England during that period. Its use died out in Middle English, until it was reintroduced during the 18th Century.
The hookah pipe seems to send them to sleep.
The point is that they were obviouslyl not working, just collecting welfare.
Simon:
Was it sarge who used the PC educational phrase ‘merchant farmers’?
Viking means, pirate raid.
They traded after they had conquered.
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