doesn’t mean the Beeb will be at all interested, especially if it departs from the “torture” script.
Some Gitmo Prisoners Don’t Want to Go Home
Fearing militants or even their own governments, some prisoners at Guantanamo Bay from China, Saudi Arabia and other nations do not want to go home, according to transcripts of hearings at the U.S. prison in Cuba.
Uzbekistan, Yemen, Algeria and Syria are also among the countries to which detainees do not want to return. The inmates have told military tribunals that they or their families could be tortured or killed if they are sent back.
Could the BBC simply report this very straightforward story? We’ll see.
Mr dimbleby siad on question time said thAT Iran is a democratically elected regime,
he also tried to attack a guest who said the civilized world should take action against Iran, He said what is a civilized country and was implied in his usual elitist manner that that said person was a eurocentric ass and that the world civilized should be given to all nations because the barbarians living under dictatorships want to be oppressed.
as for your question NO
also on question time a guest said that Blair was given divine instruvtion by god to invade Iraq.
Was it question by dimbleby that it was factually incorrect? NO
We had to wait for ten minuites for someone to point out that he did not say this which basically gave way to bush-bashing and attacking TEH EVIL christians in America
Also they compared India to Pakistan and Iran , In AN attempt to say WHY shouldnt the oppresed by the west Iran have nuclear weapons.
Yeah for moral relavitism!
a bloody disgrace.
ot
a arab-american deliers a rebute to islamic extremism on Al-jazzera. you can see the video here. It is Brilliant.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD110706
I see that sadly John Profumo has just passed away.
As he was a Conservative, shall we take bets on whether we are invited to offer “Your Comments” or “Your Tributes”?
Hmmm, I wonder.
…or will we be allowed to comment at all?
RIP John Profumo.
Oh for those sadly long gone days when a politician, caught up in the mire of a sleazy scandal and lying to the House about, actually APOLOGISED and RESIGNED and then set about doing other work of use to the community.There was no nonsense about the reinstatement of sleazy disgraced ministers after 6 months then!
BTW Noticed an inaccuracy in the Beeb’s report. It was not the government of Harold MacMillan that was defeated in the 1964 General Election, but that of Sir Alec Douglas -Home who succeeded HM as PM in 1963.
The Profumo scandal may have been a small factor in the outcome of the 1964 election but I think Labour would have won anyway. The Conservatives had been in power since 1951 and many people wanted a change.Wilson continually harped on about the ’13 years of Tory misrule’ and peiple believed him.
Geoff writes:
“As he was a Conservative, shall we take bets on whether we are invited to offer “Your Comments” or “Your Tributes”?”
In fairness, Profumo resigned following one of the greatest scandals of his era, so ‘tributes’ wouldn’t really be appropriate.
oops typo
….it should of course be “people”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4790742.stm
Oh dear. Reading the article here, it looks to me like the doctors are condemning the doctors that use force-feeding, not the “US” directly. Still, why would you let that get in the way of a good headline?
thAT Iran is a democratically elected regime,
Yes, but with restrictions on which candidates could stand – so it was even less democratic than the 1932 German Election which put Adolf Hitler in office.
Does David Dimbleby believe Adolf Hitler’s mandate extended to cover all events 1933-1945 or was he merely being provocative ?
David Dumbleby’s civilised Iran. Strangely, I never did see these images shown by the BBC:
http://gayorbit.net/index.php?p=2459
Funny how some hangings, such as that of gays and raped women in Iran doesn’t appear in BBC news, yet other hangings in a nearby country do.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4790990.stm
Can’t think why, can you?
Golly…I mean good grief…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4790742.stm
The BBC really is obsessed with Guantanamo, isn’t it?
Ah…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4792120.stm
“The Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, is set to strongly reject the idea of an English parliament, in a speech to a conference on devolution.”
Speaking of hangings, the BBC is STILL having trouble with the ‘T’ word.
ISRAEL’S ELECTION SEASON UNDERWAY
Jeremy Bowen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4789132.stm
The victory of Hamas, the Islamist, nationalist group in the Palestinian elections does not change as much for Israel as some might have expected.
So Hamas have graduated from ‘militants’ to an ‘islamist, nationalist’ group.
And
IRAQ HANGS 13 FOR INSURGENCY ROLE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4790990.stm
The Iraqi authorities have hanged 13 people accused of taking part in the insurgency, the first execution of militants since the US-led invasion.
Got that? ‘Insurgents’, ‘insurgency’ and ‘militants’. But –
“The competent authorities have today carried out the death sentences of 13 terrorists,” a cabinet statement said.
In October, the Iraqi Transitional National Assembly passed a new law which extended the use of the death penalty to include “those who commit… terror acts” and for “those who provoke, plan, finance and all those who enable terrorists to commit these crimes”.
The BBC have their normal DHYS thread on ‘Gulag-tanamo’… I saw it at 10.15 on their page, I was going to recommend some comments and it wouldn’t let me log in… I went back to the DHYS front page and the thread had gone??
I guess they didn’t like the most recommended…
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=1219&edition=1&ttl=20060310092703&
pete -> in the desparate struggle for the survival of their new found democracy, that is how the Iraqis are dealing with the terrorists. its brutal, and i kind of disagree with it – but such is the nature of war.
meanwhile, over here , we give them a suite in Belmarsh, an expensive laptop and lots of “understanding”.
the upshot of this is that we will now be in the ridiculous situation of not being able to extradite an Iraqi terrorist.
Al Zaqwari and his ilk will be able to claim asylum in Britain , because they can now claim that if they were sent back to Iraqi they will be executed.
i would guess that such a case will rear its ugly head over the next few months.
“The Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, is set to strongly reject the idea of an English parliament, in a speech to a conference on devolution.”
TAoL
He’s probably right…….I’d much rather abolish The Barnett Formula and give Scotland independence
indeed. why not just get on with it and give the scots and welsh independence. they are , by any proper definition of the term “nations”.
one upshot of english independence is – no more gordon brown, him being a scot after all.
“For now, the Uighurs are being kept at Camp Iguana, a privileged section of the prison with televisions, stereos and a view of the Caribbean.”
– don’t some people pay to stay at places like that?
gitmo gitmo gitmo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4790742.stm
lead story on the international version of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
i really am getting sick and tired of this.
“The Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, is set to strongly reject the idea of an English parliament, in a speech to a conference on devolution.”
Is this “news”? It sounds more like the Beeb aiding a pre-emptive policy strike by the government. In fact I don’t think anything in the future tense (eg the Chancellor in his budget will . . . ) constitutes “news”.
In the later “Today” interview with Humphreys (unusually polite and deferential) Falconer made a complete pig’s ear of the argument against an English parliament. With any luck this is a massive misjudgement by the government which, by dismissing any idea of an English parliament now, has kicked off the very debate it wishes to stop.
has there ever been a poll conducted in England , where the question is “do you want independence and an end to the United Kingdom?”
it would be interesting to see what the results are. do English folks still believe in a UK, or are their loyalties more to the land of Albion?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/…20060310092703&
Mike N | 10.03.06 – 9:41 am | #
Gotta love the “It’s clear to most Americans that Europeans are not willing to fight for anything except a welfare check” comment. How true.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4789852.stm
“technology feeds grassroots media”
the traditional media illustrated by a picture of dinosaurs.
how apt.
archduke,
It’s called LEGACY media online. The bBC can’t even get the terminology correct.
Umbongo writes:
“In the later “Today” interview with Humphreys (unusually polite and deferential) Falconer made a complete pig’s ear of the argument against an English parliament.”
Humphrys’ gurgling and fawning over Falconer was one of the nastier things I’ve heard on R4 in quite a while.
After the pretend hard man tactics, he soon revealed his colours. Still, it doesn’t take much to make an intellectual lightweight like Falconer look a fool, so some good was done.
Shame about the transparent sycophancy, though.
archduke
I’m English and the sooner the Jock and Taff parasites go their own socialist way the better.
Pete_London writes:
“I’m English and the sooner the Jock and Taff parasites go their own socialist way the better.”
Indeed. Without their massed ranks marching into the polling booths, England would never have a Labour government. Why we let a pack of chip-on-the-shoulder Celts decide who rules us, I simply cannot understand.
Pete
100% with you on that one. I remember Charles Kennedy saying that they were going to drop top up fees and by way of explanation, he said, “look at north of the border, they don’t have to pay top up fees there.” I was thinking, WTF, who’s paying for that?
Top up fees was a strange one though. Why were the conservatives against it? University education I reckon should be paid for. The bulk of the benefit of it goes to the people who go, so why shouldn’t they pay for it? Labour went for top up fees because they realised they couldn’t afford to pay for their lunatic 50% target, but shouldn’t the Conservatives have been fighting this one to the teeth?
Re gitmo
HYS front page requests views on gitmo.
Most recommended comment is dated 16 February
It supports the BBC view, of course.
Where submissions oppose the BBC the thread disappears within hours.
mike -> they abolished fees in ireland a few years ago. turned out that administrating the fees cost MORE than the fees themselves.
of course this logic doesnt appear to have made it over to the braindead zombies of NuLabour.
“Why we let a pack of chip-on-the-shoulder Celts decide who rules us, I simply cannot understand.”
beats me too.
i would hazard a guess that England would be an roaring economic powerhouse if it went independent.
From the BBC’s original report:
“Doctors force-feeding prisoners at Guantanamo are acting as an arm of the military and have abrogated their medical-ethical duties”
Dr William Hopkins
Co-signatory
Abortion? Hello?!? Abortion?
archduke
They should do what they do in the US. Students pay for themselves. They’ll still pay because it’s worth it. Especially since you won’t have a load of people going who don’t really want to go, but do because “it’s free”, so a degree would start to mean a little more again. I don’t mind them having a loan system to pay for it, but it shouldn’t be centrally funded.
will,
Good spotting.
They whipped the topic titled Is Islamism the new global threat? off the main HYS page in less than a day because the overwhelming majority of comments showed that people felt strongly that it was indeed a global threat.
Hide Your Say in that case.
But they’ll push Gitmo endlessly because it’s one of the few topics that strikes a chord in harmony with the BBC agenda.
They’ve been pushing Gitmo on HYS for over three weeks?
That has to be a record, even for cynical propagandists like the BBC.
Mike
I agree with you. Call me an old fashioned reactionary but I believe in paying your own way. Irrespective of that:
– Scottish students at Scottish universities don’t pay top up fees (they are subsidised by the English taxpayer).
– Foreign students at Scottish universities don’t pay top up fees (they are subsidised by the English taxpayer).
– English students at Scottish universities must pay top up fees.
You see, all this anti-racist,, anti-discrimnation, pro-multiculti, pro-equality rhetoric endlessly spewed out by the Left is just bollocks. It’s always been perfectly fine to be discriminatory and racist in the eyes of the Left just as long as the right groups are on the receiving end. Hence, the Avon & Somerset Police can bin 186 applications from potential recruits for no other reason thanthey are white and when I get onto the Commission for Racial Equality about it I’m told nothing wrong happened because it’s ‘positive discrimination’.
Huh?
You also end up with Amnesty International’s Dutch office placing a job advertisement which says:
The Discrimination and Identity team consists of three paid and two volunteer positions and is concerned with influencing government policy and societal views regarding discrimination on grounds of skin colour, ethnicity, religion, gender, and sexual orientation. … In this position you will develop policy and strategy in the field of Discrimination. This includes research into discrimination, and the development and organisation of lobbying regarding the fight against discrimination in the Netherlands. You will also be responsible for the development and implementation of actions and campaigns concerning discrimination worldwide and in the Netherlands
Now before you dust off your CV, there is just one problem before you can claim your £21-26k salary:
Considering the composition of the team, we are seeking someone from an ethnic minority group
So there we have it, it is fine to be discriminatory, you just have to show the right kind of discrimination.
The whole of socialism is about victimising a group.
National Socialism primary victim group was the jews.
Communisms primary victim group was owners.
Socialisms primary victim group is the financially succesful.
Gramscianisms primary victim group is the followers of indiginous culture.
Abortion? Hello?!? Abortion?
Yes, it seems doctors are expected to be more complicit in ending life, rather than saving it.
In South africa in the eighties I applied for a job with a leftwing, anti-Apartheid newspaper.
They didn’t respond to my application, so, out of curiosity more than hope of employment I gave them a call.
They were quite frank, telling me unashamedly that they were looking for black prospective employees and, since I was white, I could get a job anywhere but it was not so easy for blacks.
These days the boot is on the other foot and it’s not easy for white South Africans to find work – what with affirmative action, quota systems and general, mind-numbing PC.
Pete_london,
If you advertised a business job saying “because you will be dealing mainly with businessmen we will be seeking a white male” there would be rather an outcry wouldn’t there!
Guess what – I sent Hear Your Say an email on their Gitmo thread summarising the contents of the AP press release. It didn’t get published. No doubt they thought I was some dangerous propagandist making up stories about repressive regimes where people really do get tortured and conditions at Gitmo being preferable. I really think they’ve collectively convinced themselves they are telling the ‘truth’ to the extent that the truth now seems like lies to them.
If you advertised a business job saying “because you will be dealing mainly with businessmen we will be seeking a white male”
No…because Pete London is Afro-Caribbean and his associates are Indian gentlemen from Bangalore in partnership with Chinese from Singapore.
Rick,
True, noone in the UK who is sane would be a businessman under our current ruling regime.
Pete_London writes:
“I’m English and the sooner the Jock and Taff parasites go their own socialist way the better.”
Indeed. Without their massed ranks marching into the polling booths, England would never have a Labour government. Why we let a pack of chip-on-the-shoulder Celts decide who rules us, I simply cannot understand.
GCooper | 10.03.06 – 1:12 pm | #
Yes, it was nauseating hearing Charlie Falconer declare himself a Scott and Humphrys declare himself Welsh, and then to hear such arrogant pontificating upon what England should or shouldn’t have! Entombed within the illusory multicultural bbc ‘hideously white’ studios, they both seemed oblivious that they were speaking upon sacred English soil. The nationalist resentment in England is growing exponentially, methinks!
Just heard Robin Tilbrook on BBC Radio 4s “PM” interviewed, he trashed Falconer. Excellent!
http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/
I start to admire Lord Irvine – he had dignity. WE have never before had such a political Lord Chancellor – on TV and radio giving interviews like an elected politician.
The old days of Lord Chancellor – the Speaker of The Lords being discreet were wonderful – now it is the Speaker of the Commons that is discreet while Billy Bunter runs around telling how many of Tony’s cream buns he’s scoffed
If anybody heard R5 y/day, the thought that ‘the Collective’ dealt in the truth, in any way, would never have crossed their minds.
The BBC no longer bothers with facts; there is no such thing as analysis; there is only ‘opinion’ – and the story is shaped to fit the opinion.
The beeb can do this by drawing on a pre-selected group of people who espouse a viewpoint congruent with the Beeb’s own (I wouldn’t mind seeing such a list of ‘Usual Suspects’ on this website) and using them to add an apparent authenticity and impartiality to the thoughts of the resident BBC ‘talking head’.
They also ‘fix’ the mythology that they create by never going back to the beginnings of a story with fresh, inconvenient facts. If circumstances mean that they must, then such facts are relegated to the status of ‘unimportant details’.
Now people on this website say that at certain times the HYS boards disappear or move: they have tried to post comments on the HYS boards, but their views have not been posted.
We have seen ‘stealth editing’ of the Beeb website,
Why not extend that to another IT area?
I am wondering if the BBC ‘doctors’ the results of the (D)HYS – the recommendation part.
It might be possible to subject the results of the HYS ‘recommendations’ to statistical analysis (alas, not my forte) to see if there are any obvious anomalies.
Hmm.
Does the BBC actually ‘put its thumb on the scales’?
Looking at the standards of their journalism, I wouldn’t be surprised.