The Today programme like to think that they don’t just report the news, that they “help to set the agenda” – and to a great extent they’re correct. You can hear Humphrys or Naughtie worrying away at a point like a terrier with a rat. hoping to get an admission which will make the NEXT news headlines.
“In an interview on the BBC Today programme, the Minister revealed that …”
But there are scoops and scoops. The BBC has an institutional bias towards a pro-abortion viewpoint – I’m sorry, the approved BBC term is ‘pro-choice’, and against the pro-life viewpoint – I’m sorry, that should have read ‘anti-abortion’.
Which might explain why this remarkable interview (RealAudio, 25 minutes in) with ‘pro-choice’ Dr Stuart Derbyshire wasn’t the main headline at nine-o’clock, and would just have been quietly forgotten before the Web.
Dr Derbyshire argued that babies did not feel pain until they were up to several months old, an argument which seems to fly in the face of common sense and human experience, as John Humphrys acknowledged. Such a bizarre claim made by a proponent of an unpopular (to liberals) ideology would have been picked up and amplified by the BBC, used to discredit their cause. The two sides of bias are promoting that which supports a view and ignoring or suppressing that which discredits it.
I can imagine how a pro-life BBC would have spun it.
“A pro-abortion doctor today claimed that babies cannot feel pain until up to several months after birth. Controversial psychologist Dr Stuart Derbyshire – who has previously claimed that vivisectionists have no duty to care for laboratory animals beyond what is necessary for successful experimentation, said that …”
Here’s the transcript (note Humphrys’ self-correction of ‘baby’ to ‘foetus’, so characteristic of the BBC):
John Humphrys : “Right – so your contention is that the baby – er, the foetus, cannot feel pain until … ?”
Dr Stuart Derbyshire, psychologist : “Until it’s had an opportunity to undergo some sort of learning process – until it’s had an opportunity to undergo a process whereby pointing and showing occurs”
Humphrys (interrupting) – “But that would suggest it’s weeks – possibly months – after birth – and surely that’s nonsense, isn’t it ?”
Derbyshire : “It possibly is weeks, possibly months – I mean it’s very difficult of course to ever draw a line as to precisely when it happens – but I do think we can draw a line and say that it is vitally dependent upon a process that’s going to take place outside of the womb. Pain – in the same way – all experience is in a sense social – it’s dependent on other people, and that doesn’t occur until the point of birth.”
Humphrys : “Dr Derbyshire, many thanks”
Dr Derbyshire was propounding an identical theory in the magazine Living Marxism ten years ago. Why is the BBC suddenly publicising him ?
“The US is considering legislation to make doctors tell women seeking an abortion it will cause the foetus pain.”
Ah, the Great Satan. Now I understand. Happy Easter.
Hi guys,
Happy Easter! Check out al-Beeb’s picture essay on the recent Muslim attacks on Copts in Alexandria Egypt:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4913170.stm
Nowhere does it mention that the knife attacks were carried out by Muslims.
BBC continues to betray the English language in a grave manner!
Praise where praise is due. On tonight’s Westminster Hour (R4) MEP Caroline Lucas has just been prodded into a corner and forced to admit the Green Party is a socialist organisation, way to the Left of ZaNuLabour.
No doubt the object of the questioning was to boost ZNL’s appeal, but if it exposes the true nature of the “Greens” then it’s all to the good!
Yeah, they spun it exactly like that on the World Service today, mentioning that there’d been “violence” or “clashes” or something, near a church and that two people had been killed but they didn’t even mention the word “Muslim.”
The BBC keeps sinking lower just when you think they’ve hit bottom.
They are soon going to be indistinguishable from a state broadcaster in a Muslim dictatorship.
“three knife attacks on churches”
I do so hope the churches weren’t badly hurt.
It’s almost as good as “shooting kills priest in Turkey”.
Charlie
As a follow up to your post @ 5:23, I am still to be convinced that the sleep button, that is part of most modern entertainment devices, causes more damage than if it wasn’t used. From personal experience, as someone who has repaired electronic equipment down to component level, I believe that the major cause of failure of modern electronic equipment is due to thermal shock (when a piece of equipment is turned on/off). Obviously, comparisons need to be made between items left on standy and those that are power cycled to confirm this; and I am neither rich enough nor have the time to complete a study of this magnitude.
Assuming that thermal shock is a major cause of equipment failure, how does the fact that something is left in a standby state (with its asociated power consumption) equate to that of constructing a replacement (including manufactuer, distribution to the seller and delivery to the consumer; including journeys made by the consumer to compare similiar products).
This can be extended to the current fad of renewable energy, specifically wind farms. How long does it take to recoup the energy required to manufacture, deliver, construct and maintain them? A large proportion of the energy required includes transport, with its incumbent environmental impact, of the field technician along with any parts delivery. Extending this, given that the laws of physics (not meant as a Star Trek reference – original series) state that conversion of energy from one form to another cannot be 100%, we need to evaluate the environmental impact of removing energy from the atmosphere via these wind farms. There must be some consequence of removing energy out of the atmosphere that would normally propel rain cloudes down wind of a wind farm; in other words, I am suggesting that rainfall would be less than historical data (albeit this data is tiny compared to that experienced by the planet during its’ existance). Basically, what I am trying to express is that maybe the doom mongering so prevelent in todays MSM is counter-productive to their stated aims,
Please excuse me if this seems rambling and/or irrelevant – being a public holiday weekend I might have indulged slightly too much in the single malts, but I have wanted to express my opinion on a suitable forum for some time now and believe this is it, considering how much the BBC push their own global warming (climate change during Winter) agenda.
A highly recommended post on the HYS “Is it too soon to make art out of 9/11?” has been deleted.
The post criticised the BBC for publishing a particularly offensive comment.
I suppose the BBC have also removed the comment complained of, but that still leaves the question – how did the offensive anti-US comment get through the fully moderated system?
Now that both(?) have gone, the BBC is clean as a whistle (if we ignore the continued presence of the many “the US did it/it was all a hoax” comments).
You may want a link to that HYS thread as it no longer appears on the HYS front page, despite only dating from 13 April.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=1542&&&&&&edition=1&ttl=20060416234758
The DHYS team is like a couple of naughty boys hiding in their bedroom, giggling over an old copy of Playboy. When Mom comes in to see what the noise is about, they hide the Playboy under the bed, then pull it out again when she leaves. When caught out on their mischief, they grudingly make adjustments, but they never change their behavior for good.
Susan’s analogy is a splendid one. It’s comforting to imagine that there are serious repercussions when DHYS moderators are caught bang to rights, but that seems highly unlikely.
Their seniors are every bit as bad, as we can tell from the regular examples of Dimblebias and Humphryschlock – so there is no reason to believe even a red-handed DHYS type is ever on the receving end of anything more admonitory than a knowing wink.
The BBC are FAR more sinister than a couple of “naughty” boys.
They are paving the way for the destruction of Britishness.
The BBC are FAR more sinister than a couple of “naughty” boys.
That is true — but the childish glee with which they brandish their bias brought that analogy to mind.
Bitfch | 16.04.06 – 11:46 pm
A lot of what you said is inherent in the price mechanism and this is all that is required to compare apples with oranges.
If the sleep button does have the effect you suggest and if the cost of standby power is less than the amortised cost of repair/replacement that is why you would choose to use the standby button.
You can also factor in easily the cost of repair/replacement cover (a rip-off imho).
The price mechanism completely debunks the simple-minded concept of the “food mile”, since transport costs are in the price. If something from China is cheaper than the same thing (all other things being equal) from the UK the journey distance is irrelevant.
On the subject of protectionism (raised on another thread) if a given country is subsidising its exports to make them cheaper (ie dumping) then it is in effect giving money to its importing partners.
MEP Caroline Lucas
Oh Dr Lucas with a PhD in Elizabethan Literature. She is a windbag with friends at the BBC…..I bet she never flues to Brussels or Strasbourg but hitchhikes………………..
It is the old game of travelling under flags of convenience – the agenda is the same. The Greens had a surge when people punished Thatcher in the Euro Elections in 1989 – now they vote UKIP instead
Did the BBC cry for Berlusconi?
Remember this?
The ostensibly neutral BBC reporter describes why she identifies so closely and emotionally with Arafat. How very similar to Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC correspondent in Gaza, who announced at a Hamas rally on May 6, 2001:
“Journalists and media organisations [are] waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people.”
So now, Palestinians are apathetic (at most) about Arafat, after all the damage he’s caused them, but the foreign reporters — like Plett — are all choked up! Says Plett: ‘Mr Arafat’s life has been one of sheer dedication and resilience.’
A BBC reporter cried for Arafat, however the BBC describes Berlusconi thus,
perma-tanned with a pearly white smile,………This guy is a potential megalomaniac. You could not fit his ego into a huge building,” said one political scientist.
The BBC elevates Arafat to mythical status while kicking a democratic politician while he’s down, and inserts comments from an UN-NAMED ‘political scientist.
Just listened to Naughtie interviewing BNP man on Today, with the special “hear how tough and confrontational I’m being” and “I’m only speaking to you because I have to as part of my job” intonation reserved for people with the incorrect political views. Curiously, he didn’t finish off with a “many thanks” as per usual, but just cut off abruptly. Wonder why. He suggested to the bloke that Christians should be welcoming and charitable. I can’t help wondering where Naughtie lives, what his living arrangements are, whether he has a couple of houses and a farm, like Humphrys, the Dimbleby’s et al. I’m fairly sure that he has plenty of room to be welcoming and I dare say his place(s) are more salubrious than Barking. Perhaps he might volunteer to ease the overcrowding in east London.
He also interjected very tetchily “You don’t know what my politics are”. But we do know, Mr Naughtie. You let us know during last election.
Susan:
Your analogy:
“The DHYS team is like a couple of naughty boys hiding in their bedroom, giggling over an old copy of Playboy.”
I think it’s brilliant. Was it your intention to paint the spotty beeboids who run DHYS as w***ers? Or was it just a Freudian slip?
Susan,
Egypt was invaded by Arabs in about 420 AD, the Coptic Christan’s are the true descendants of ancient Egypt and as such Egypt should be a Christian country. The present day attacks on Christan Coptic churches is simply an extension of that invasion and genocide of the ancient Egyptian race and religion.
Egypt is as much ‘occupied’ by Arabs as Palestinians claim they are, the difference is the Palestinians are not forced to convert ti Judaism.
The national language of modern day Egypt is Egyptian Arabic, which gradually replaced Egyptian and its descendant, the Coptic language, as the language of daily life in the centuries after Egypt was conquered by Arab Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language
Bitfch
Re your post 16.04.06 – 11:46 pm |
I have had two perfectly serviceable radios rendered useless when the on/off switch collapsed and proved unrepairable. I paid £25 to Sony to repair the last on/of switch which soon went kaput shortly after. I dismantled the radio myself to discover that the Sony repair had been carried out using super glue.
As a result all my electronics are now on the sleep button activated by the on/off on the remote.
As for the cost of residential wind turbines
The kit runs to about £2,200, minus installation and the costs of the planning application. By Anderson’s own estimates the turbine would, given current electricity costs, pay for itself in “15 to 25 years” – roughly equivalent to the estimated life of the product. If you’re lucky, you’ll break even.
On R5 now.
The usual rubbishing of anybody who asks serious questions.
Here we go again, Britain is confronted by the deadly danger of the right-wing – tales of the “brownshirts on the march”.
They are just strawmen to be kicked down and stamped on – and if you don’t join in the ‘group hate’ session, you’re as racist as the BNP.
And of course, make sure you confuse ‘multi-ethnic’, ‘multi-racial’ and ‘multi-cultural’.
It isn’t the BNP attempting mass-murder in British Cities, but the BBC is determined to defend multi-culturalism to the death, and that means ignoring real threats.
‘A house divided against itself, cannot stand’
How Prodi will change tack abroad
Analysis
By Paul Reynolds
World Affairs Correspondent, BBC News website
The election of Romano Prodi’s coalition will mean –
More EU, less US …..
Again, assuming that his coalition will take and keep power, he will steer Italy back towards a closer relationship with the European Union and away from the US…. He strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq and expressed his view in 2004 that Europe might have prevented it. “If Europe had been present and united, I believe we would not have seen the war on Iraq,” he said.
Mr Prodi is also likely to take a sympathetic approach to the Palestinians and act as brake on those in the EU who want to confront Hamas and cut off relations as much as possible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4896804.stm
Farewell Silvio: An end to politics of personality
From the BBC’s website:
“The BNP has courted controversy over its policies, which include a total ban on immigration, and the forced deportation of illegal immigrants from the UK.”
I can’t disagree with either of the stated policies. Does that make me a nazi, brownshirt, fascist etc???
Allan@Aberdeen:
Yes of course it does – in the eyes of the Beeb, that is.
I guess it’s such skewered reporting – e.g. the pre-qualifying spin “The BNP has courted controversy over its policies” — don’t the policies of every political party elicit controversy from their political opponents — which actually strengthens the BNP’s case, just like Richard Littlejohn has always said.
You will recall that Littlejohn has always blamed the hard Left – i.e. the Guardian and its worldwide publicist the Beeb – for the foundation and emergence of the BNP as a political force.
He is of course quite right. The BNP is indeed a creation of the Beeb’s leftist bias.
Today programme – Naughtie responds to BNP spokesman’s comments about immigration from sub-Saharan Africa by stating “They are not sub-human“.
Prime example of hearing what you want to hear or putting words into other peoples’ mouths & seeking to apply guilt by association – parhaps Naughtie should have used Untermensch for his sophisticated R4 audience.
We were wondering how long it might take until the BBCs attitude and over the top support for Wind Farms would filter down to their weather forecasts. Well it’s started already. Yesterday they had a half an hour program about the power of the wind, sea and waves. On the weather forecast just now on News 24 the lady kept pushing how windy it was going to be today.
It’s nowhere near as windy as it was last week. Must be new BBC policy, make out it is windier than it actually is and then go on about how wonderful wind farms are.
No mention of the number of civilians killed during the illegal ocupation of Tibet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4915122.stm
“Tibetan exiles generally say that the number that have died in the Great Leap Forward, of violence, or other unnatural causes since 1950 is approximately 1.2 million, which the Chinese Communist Party denies.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
The BBC is covering for the reds again……
We complain about the BBC being less than clear about the aims of Hamas, we even set reith a project on the subject.
But how can we expect the BBC to fess up when we get the following from the Daily Cameron
Washington and Brussels cut about £35 million of monthly support to the Palestinian Administration because they viewed Hamas as a terrorist organisation following years of suicide bombings.
But Iran and other Muslim nations regard Hamas as a sound Islamic movement that is right to advocate armed resistance against Israel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/17/wiran17.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/17/ixworld.html
Aid not cut just because terrorists engaged in resistance but an organisation wanting an end to the state Israel.
World At One is dire today – Shaun Ley is plodding and trying to lead the Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament into giving him a soundbite – but the poor Iraqi does not know how the performing seal is supposed to please the ringmaster.
At the end of mpronic questioning we get Shaun Ley feeding the Iraqi the line that the lack of a government is contributing to the violence in Iraq.
Wow ! Shaun Ley went to LSE and joined the BBC in 1990 – now 16 years later he has discovered that government is necessary for internal security.
These LSE graduates…….must be some intelligent ones around too !
Aid not cut just because terrorists engaged in resistance but an organisation wanting an end to the state Israel.
Really ?
The US cut off $240 million; the EU $30 million a month = $600 million plus the customs duties Israel is withholding.
Iran offers $50 million. Grand gesture – let’s see how economical they can run this shambles in the Palestinian areas – i mean $50 million is hardly worth Fatah embezzling.
I don’t care what Arabs consider Hamas to be. I don’t want my money used to fund a bunch of psychopathic thugs and frankly it is getting to be time for Palestinians to practise birth control rather than live on Western Welfare and avoid what Malthus predicted.
If Arab countries want to pay for the Palestinians – super ! Can we now stop funding this disaster ?
Today programme – Naughtie responds to BNP spokesman’s comments about immigration from sub-Saharan Africa by stating “They are not sub-human”.
Prime example of hearing what you want to hear or putting words into other peoples’ mouths & seeking to apply guilt by association – perhaps Naughtie should have used Untermensch for his sophisticated R4 audience.
will | 17.04.06 – 11:02 am | #
Will, I too was going to post that up, the key political sound bite was “Africans for Essex” that must have thrown Naughtie completely of course, because it just doesn’t have that BBC ring to it , does it? I find the Freudian “Sub-human” slip quite astonishing, did you also notice how he consistently referred to the BNP “peddling” ideas as if they were drug pushers. I’ve never heard him refer to Labour, Lib Dems, or Tory politicians “peddling” ideas. Also the BNP councillors standing in the local elections were spoken of as “extremists”- but isn’t this what they like to call Islamic terrorists? Such is the ludicrous BBC political bias these days. Who knows, perhaps like the apparent damascene conversion of Rod Liddle, Naughtie might start to change his views, but I tend to think he is very dyed in the wool (the photo of Blair on an American dollar on his book cover says it all really). It was hilarious hearing Phil Edwards say to him “”If Liberals like yourself…” and hear the utter panic and knee-jerk response from the BBC man, “”…you have no idea what my political views are” LOL. This reminded me of a comical scene I recently saw on the American TV programme “Curb Your Enthusiasm”, where Larry David was accused of being a Nazi for whistling a few bars from Wagner outside of a theatre, “You have no idea that I’m Jewish” and to shut up his antagonist, who didn’t believe he was Jewish, asked him if he wanted to see his penis that was circumcised. At such times Jim Naughtie is the supreme comedian on the Today programme. I noticed he gave a plug for Wagner day over on Radio 3, perhaps he had been cramming on Hitler’s praise for the maestro and Wagner’s anti-Semitic essays over lunch?
I notice the Guardian leads with this story too(following the Sunday Telegraph & BBC), what I don’t quite understand is the repeated comments by the academic from Manchester University, Professor John “If I was in the main parties I’d be kind of worried about this”, actually quoted on the main BBC Radio 4 news, and the Labour response “Lets give them the coverage they deserve, which IMO is very little” Was it actually Naughtie who said a vote for the BNP was “the ultimate protest vote” this was said I believe between 7-8am, or was this Abdul, born in Pakistan, also interviewed on the Today programme, who said he was voting BNP? Yes, on the BBC!!
Has anyone seen the Sky News piece on China? Fox News had it on Saturday night… they reported on how people are being driven out of their homes which then get destroyed for redevelopment. They’re officially making already poor people homeless – Socialist paradise, eh? Will the Beeb have a similar report anytime soon? Hm…
Erm… re. China: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4915122.stm
BBC World Service led on how a Repub Senator was calling for unilateral negotiaitions between the US and Iran, rather than the policy of trying to act in concert through the UN to exert strong pressure on Iran after it has refused to act properly with the IAEA and with earlier diplomacy by the Europeans.
This story fits the BBC line perfectly – bash-Bush, and promote appeasement.
Here are 10 reasons why the endless diplomacy and appeasement policy favoured by the BBC wets looks bust :
http://fromopinionnation.blogspot.com/2006/04/dear-reality-wake-left-up.html
Conclusion to the BBC – “Whose side are you on ?” “Why are you behaving now like you did in the 1930s with Hitler ?”
More on the Rumsfeld stuff. I bet this sort of analysis never gets on the BBC airwaves. It is not complex or abstruse – it is all fairly straightforward. Trouble is – it doesn’t fit the BBC’s bas-Bush party line.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008249
Have Your Say main page has a link, bottom right:
World Have Your Say: Tel Aviv suicide bomb and gay parents
What The F…?!
Bombing in Tel Aviv: Your reaction
Kevin Anderson
17 Apr 06, 02:13 PM
On World Have Your Say, we often open up the programme to hear from people affected by events in the news. Today, we want to hear from those of you in Tel Aviv, where a bombing has killed six and injured many others.
Two separate militant groups are claiming responsibility. The ruling Palestinian party, Hamas, has refused to condemn the attack, saying it is “self defence” whilst under occupation. Israel says it holds Hamas responsible.
Over the past two weeks, more than 2000 Israeli shells have been fired into the Gaza strip, killing at least 17 Palestinians. Israel says these are reprisals for rockets fired into Israeli territory.
If you are in the area, what’s your response to today’s events? Do you think Hamas is right to defend the tactic of suicide bombing? Does it make sense for Israel to hold Hamas responsible for the actions of other militant Palestinian groups?
Whatever your views on the situation, we’d like to hear from you.
An attempt to justify suicide bombings as a legitimate reaction to Israel’s shelling (which was a justified reaction to rockets fired from Gaza)?
If the last two questions posed by HYS aren’t loaded, and if the whole thing isn’t biased, then my nephew is a primate!
Biodegradable –
here’s a good dissection of BBC bias on the Tel Aviv suicide bomb attack from Adloyada.
http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/
British woman facing criminal charges after being gang-raped by Arabs in Dubai:
http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/04/dubai-rape-victim-faces-prosecution.html
Al-Beeb? Care to follow up on this story?
Thanks for that Oscar. Hamas’s rhetoric is no different to that being parroted by caring liberals through the length and breadth of Islington. If the London bombings were “our” fault how can suicide bombings in Israel not be the fault of the Israelis.
Disgusting.
By the way, re Today programme – Naughtie responds to BNP spokesman’s comments about immigration from sub-Saharan Africa by stating “They are not sub-human”.
Living in Spain as I do, I hear the term used regularly in reports of the illegal immigrants washed ashore, often dead, or picked up by the coast guard while attempting to come over from Morocco. I do find it jarring as it is used basically to distiguish them from Moroccans and those of North African origin.
I suppose its the PC way of saying “They’re all black south of Dover”, or in this case, south of Ceuta and Melilla.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,1581683,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,1583075,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,,1586920,00.html
Now that’s what I call an apartheid wall!
“Spain’s socialist premier, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, ordered the army to help frontier police in both enclaves last week. He also announced a €3 million project to raise the fences around them to a height of six metres.
One witness to events of the past week is a German Bundespolizei officer, in Melilla as part of an exchange programme. He found the barrier between Africa from Europe familiar. ‘It looks a lot like the old fence that separated East Germany from West Germany,’ he says. ‘But here there are no landmines.’
A month ago he might have added that those who jumped the fence did not run the risk of being shot. But that, as the five bodies delivered to morgues in Ceuta and the Moroccan city of Tetouan this week testify, is no longer true.”
Sorry, I digress…
The BBC last week was running stories about the Joe Wilson business, still following the UNTRUE line it started in pieces like this, which links to an interview with the lying Joe Wilson :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/politics/goss_20040205.shtml
Late in 2005 the BBC was still letting Wilson spout his lies – long after a bipartisan report of the denate had declared his accounts to be lies :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4465810.stm
Here is the real deal on Wilson, which has been repeated in endless stories in the US that somehow the BBC seems to have missed :
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004967.php
Our friend paul Reynolds wrote a long piece on the Wilson/Plame affair – and he too omitted the findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee – namely that Wilson had lied :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4298732.stm
All this is so reminiscent of the gilligan affair. Gilligan lied about what he was told. The BBC defended this lie up hill and down dale.
Joe Wilson lied in the press about his trip to Niger, how it had been set up and what he found. He deliberately was targeting the White House. The BBC perpetuates the lies, does not properly report the harshly adverse findings against Wilson of the bipartisan Senate committee report.
Really serious CONTINUOUS misreporting by the BBC.
More on Joe Wilson, another provenly unreliable source the BBC has used to bash Bush :
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006762.php
Week after week the BBC runs stories based on outright lies. This goes beyong the warping or twisting or suppressing of the news.
A few ramblings on previous posts:
The German word “untermensch” is always parodied as subhuman. This is the folly of translation which when converted into another language gives a different meaning to the original.
The word translates into English as
“under human being” I would suggest that a better comparison would be to our own phrase “low life” in common usage.
However ‘subhuman’ has more propaganda value.
Moving on to the BNP debate.
Target councils for BNP councillors include
AMBER VALLEY
BARKING & DAGENHAM
BEXLEY
BRADFORD
BURNLEY
CALDERDALE
DUDLEY
EPPING FOREST
KIRKLEES
OLDHAM
STOKE-ON-TRENT
THURROCK
Firstly we have to ask if Brown, Hodges and the BBC News staff have ever visited these places, indeed do they know where they are even?
Highly unlikely, but they do know where Niger is, as does the BBC News reporters who regularly fly out to Africa at our expense to produce emotive video of starving un-cared for children.
Aside, it is the BBC who have this online but never (from my memory) have broadcast it live or in conjunction with the pleading for aid for Niger.
“Niger cancels ‘free-slave’ event
At least 43,000 people across Niger are thought to be in slavery.
http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4321699.stm
43,000? A British-based campaign group said the people who had been due to be freed made up 95% of the local population.
Back to the UK – When are our BBC News reporters going to step into these Council areas and shove a microphone into somebody’s face. Let’s face it, if they ever did in daylight, they do, and get any pro-BNP comments it will be straight on the cutting room floor. After all they have previous for stage managing presentations to dovetail into their own mindset.
So here is a challenge to Chancellor Brown and BBC News, go to these contested council areas and show your faces to the poor whites on the estates whose children have been used as cannon fodder for this country, and ask them, “Is there anything you want?” and “Is there anything we can do for you?”
The answers to these questions would explain why people vote BNP.
Fighting for the country, well, that’s another subject, but as someone said ‘what cricket team do they support’ Imagine trying to conscript Muslims to fight an Arab country. If that ever happened the war would kick off on our doorstep.
Amongst their constant outpourings on behalf of ‘occupied’ Palestine has the BBC ever properly reported the Islamic view of slavery?,
Saudi religious leader calls for slavery’s legalization (Daniel Pipes, Nov 7, 2003): Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan [is] the author of a religious textbook (At-Tawhid, “Monotheism”) widely used to teach Saudi high school students as well as their counterparts abroad studying in Saudi schools (including those in the West). “Slavery is a part of Islam,” he announced in a recent lecture. “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.” He argued against the idea that slavery had ever been abolished, insulting those who espouse this view as “ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.”
WARNING (as they say) some of you may find these photos disturbing)
http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/genocide/
GENOCIDE – SLAVERY – PIRACY AT SEA
PUBLIC BEHEADING – STONING TO DEATH
AMPUTATION OF HANDS AND FEET – FLOGGING
FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION (FGM)
Does it make sense for Israel to hold Hamas responsible for the actions of other militant Palestinian groups?
They are the f*****g government!!!!
The usual BBC line is that governments are responsible for everything.
Those who claim the West is over reacting to Iranian nuclear ambitions should go to the country themselves. If Iranians are capable of this, what would they do if they had weapons other than stones.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=16800
The extent of Iranian corruption is difficult to comprehend in the Western world. It is something so endemic and so entrenched in all strata that it can be described as an uninterruptible chain which starts with the President, continues through the functionaries and public servants at all levels and ends with the police officers who patrol the streets. On December 26, 2004, One year after the terrible earthquake that killed 70,000 people in the Iranian city of Bam, survivors are still sleeping in poor quality tents, exposed to the inclement weather. Top quality tents sent by Germany, which could alleviate the poor living conditions of the survivors, have been sold by the mullahs on the black market, together with other items such as water pumps, water filters and generators, sent by the international community in great quantity in the weeks that followed the earthquake.
This is a country where stoning to death is not against the law but using the wrong size of stone is.
Last time I looked I thought the Al-Aqsa Brigades were integrated into the police force of the PA as Fatah transferred its costs to the EU
I am watching the BBC News reporting how a quarter of the population is considering voting BNP, and where is our female BBC reporter?
Why on the green grass of Westminster.
A few ramblings on previous posts:
The German word “untermensch” is always parodied as subhuman. This is the folly of translation which when converted into another language gives a different meaning to the original.
The word translates into English as
“under human being”
Sorry to rain on your parade but Untermensch has no polite meaning, and cannot be translated in a benign way – it means Subhuman
In fact the word is derived from work by Eugenicists and raciological theory – Nietzsche had a concept of Uebermensch which was translated as Superman and the Nazis used Untermensch to mean the exact opposite for those not Aryan and therefore Uebermensch
I am watching the BBC News reporting how a quarter of the population is considering voting BNP
All in all it will be a terrible result for Labour, and Conservative, and Liberal……………….but the BNP always fails to live up to expectations………..and so the Establishment Parties proclaim themselves satisfied with the vox populi for another year
The BBC TV has just advertised a certain smirking Humphreys as presenter of Mastermind. A good reason not to watch it.
Has Humphreys been to the BNP contested areas or does he spend his time travelling between home and the BBC Studios?.
Rick
If you translate subhumam from English to German the German word is
subhuman, borrowed from us.
Subhumans on E-Bay
http://search.ebay.co.uk/subhumans_W0QQfcclZ1QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1
Examples of English usage of subhuman. You may be able to give me a few examples of German usage of subhuman in this way, but I doubt it.
http://www.southern.com/southern/band/SUBHM/
http://www.subhumans.net/