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Market Participant, there are some problems with the case as it is reported. Gates of Vienna went in to this one here. The short of it is that Adem, even if he knew what had happened, would not have done the deed. FGM is never performed by men, and always by women. This is the final and most absolute part of the cruelty of FGM.
However, that isn’t the point. The trial was a travesty. If he knew about the act then he’s guilty of being an accessory, but the cultural evidence indicates he probably didn’t know, and he certainly didn’t take part in it.
Hm, something I didn’t make clear: I’m not saying the trial shouldn’t have taken place or anything like that, but that the actual verdict rests on weak ground. The mother is presumably the one who actually did the mutilation but throughout this trial she’s established a facade of innocence. If Adem now goes on to get the verdit quashed in an appeal, who will they prosecute?
The entire family should have been held responsible for this. It’s inconcievable that the mother would not have noticed her own child’s mutilation for several years after the event.
Chimes with BBC view
Web inventor fears for the future
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6108578.stm
“The British developer of the world wide web says he is worried about the way it could be used to spread misinformation and “undemocratic forces”.
Is he talking about this website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news?
Hmm. Mostly, I find state funded and run media (aka the BBC) the main source of misinformation and “undemocratic forces”. What do you think?
Ritter
You’re joking right?
Charles Clarke MP – Labour
Lord Heseltine – Pink “Conservative”
Menzies Campbell MP – LibDem (= left of Labour)
Mariella Frostrup – Lefty
Amanda Platell – ex Tory adviser – now all-purpose commentator but since she’s got to earn a living her views are not exactly trenchantly right-wing.
In other words, the usual BBC choice: to (mis)quote Dorothy Parker “the whole gamut from A to B”
will
“But in rural America he (Bush) looks at home, and somehow less goofy, less jarring.”
The”less goofy” remark is clearly one of Mark Byford’s ‘corrections’ to his reports!
The BBC and half a story;
Kriss death ‘act of inhumanity’
The jury in the Kriss Donald murder trial has been told that his death was an “appalling crime of inhumanity against a defenceless boy”.
The 15-year-old schoolboy was allegedly abducted from Pollokshields in Glasgow, stabbed and set on fire in 2004. Summing up, advocate depute Mark Stewart said the accused had condemned themselves “from their own mouths”.
Mohammed Faisal Mushtaq, 27, Zeeshan Shahid, 28, and Imran Shahid, 29, deny racially aggravated murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6110284.stm
During more than four weeks of evidence at the High Court in Edinburgh, the trial has heard prosecution claims that Kriss, 15, was snatched from the street in Pollokshields, driven to Dundee and back in a silver Mercedes before being stabbed, doused with petrol and set on file.
Prosecution claims BBC?
He was snatched
The vehicle used was a Silver Merc
He was stabbed
He was doused in petrol
He was set on fire. (And not file as you write)
Once again the BBC defending the indefensible by promoting the vision that all the allegations against these racist thugs are nothing more than claims.
The BBC and half a story.
Ritter – One things for sure – I would only watch QT when there are four people on the panel and two are from the right and two from the left (you know the kind of panel that meets the BBCs guidlines on fairness) – so I doubt if I will ever watch it again.
The BBC and half a story;
How many times have you read about how the west armed ‘Saddam, Israel and the Taliban’ from the impartial BBC Well here is another example of how duplicitous the BBC is;
France to declassify Rwanda files
France says it will release classified documents on the Rwandan genocide, after claims that French troops were complicit in the 1994 massacre. The Rwandan Tutsis, aged between 25 and 39, have brought their case against the French military in the French courts. During the genocide some 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed by Hutu extremists.
French troops were sent to Rwanda as part of a United Nations force.
Rwanda has repeatedly accused Paris of complicity in the genocide. France has denied any role. The four survivors say French troops committed crimes themselves, and also let Hutu killers enter refugee camps under their protection.
An inquiry began last month in Rwanda into alleged French complicity in training and arming the Hutu extremists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6110646.stm
Alleged BBC. Here please allow me to enlighten you on that so called allegation that the French armed the Hutu.
Delivery from France
In the early morning of January 22, 1994, a DC-8 aircraft loaded with armaments from France, including 90 boxes of Belgian-made 60 mm mortars, was confiscated by UNAMIR at Kigali International Airport. The delivery was in violation of the cease-fire clauses of the Crushable Accords, which prohibited introduction of arms into the area during the transition period. General Dallaire put the arms under joint UNAMIR-Rwandan army guard. Formally recognizing this point, the French government argued that the delivery stemmed from an old contract and hence was technically legal. Dallaire was forced to give up control over the aircraft.
UNAMIR’s Kigali sector commander, Belgian Col. Luc Marchal, reported to the BBC that one of the French planes supposedly participating in the evacuation operation arrived at 0345 hours on 9 April with several boxes of ammunition. The boxes, about 5 tons, were unloaded and transported by FAR vehicles to the Kanombe camp where the Rwandan Presidential Guard was quartered. The French government has categorially denied this shipment, saying that the planes carried only French military personnel and material for the evacuation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#Delivery_from_France
The BBC and half a story.
this is hilarious. if ever there was an example of the BBC over-egging it , its this story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6110518.stm
“A German magazine has published a photograph showing a Nazi-like symbol on a vehicle allegedly used by German troops bound for Afghanistan.”
Here’s a photo of the “Nazi” symbol
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/:KSK-Wagen-Ministerium-Nazi-Symbolik/575472.html
http://img.stern.de/_content/57/54/575472/Afghanistan250_250.jpg
The State Within
BBC 1 Thu Nov 02 9:00 PM
(60 min., Movie/Drama)
“An action-packed conspiracy thriller which rips open the secret doors of the most powerful nation on Earth. Sir Mark Brydon, British Ambassador to Washington, is drawn into a deadly game of international conspiracy and espionage. In this dangerous world his enemies are not always who he thinks they are – and neither are his friends… In The State Within, nothing is what it first appears.”
I’m gonna go with the jews and the christians.
“A German magazine has published a photograph showing a Nazi-like symbol on a vehicle allegedly used by German troops bound for Afghanistan.”
Now a new photograph in Stern shows a vehicle with a palm tree and an iron cross painted onto it.
They must really be PO’d at the Luftwaffe – RitterKreuzs all over the planes.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1368.jpg
Just when you have the country all nice and de-NAZIfied…
A stupid, manufactured piece of ****-stirring by the self-appointed keepers of a country’s conscience. And swallowed hook, line and sinker by al Beeb.
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Europe’s politicians refuse to support America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state hampers wealth creation.
More
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1626
German priest sets fire to himself, and dies, over the spread of Islam
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/01/europe/EU_GEN_Germany_Self_immolation.php
(via LGF)
If you liked that you’ll love this;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=0TBMNM00S0QNBQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2006/11/02/wfrance02.xml
The Intifada is here.
meanwhile back on planet BBC…..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6108280.stm
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=france+riots&scope=all&edition=d&tab=all&recipe=all&x=62&y=7
Strange how we never see on the BBC this ‘Nazi-like’ symbol.
http://www.cornermark.com/hiddenfolder/enemies/hezbollah_hamas_nazi_salute.jpg
Has the BBC reported on this crime? It has everything the BBC likes including petty crime, and depraved israeli’s.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3316052,00.html
among others/
Israeli police said on Wednesday they were on the lookout for 40 vibrators and a $200 dildo after thieves plundered the automobile of a noted sexologist in Tel Aviv.
“The State Within ”
currently portraying the arbitary rounding up of British Muslims in the aftermath of a terror attack – but in Virginia.
funny that – arbitary “rounding up” is actually enshrined in British law , under the Civil Contigencies Bill – but then again, the Beeb wouldnt want to miss another chance to bash the fascist Nazi stormtrooper Americans.
The BBC and half a story;
Soldier to sultan
How a peacekeeper became Nigeria’s Muslim leader;
He commanded a battalion of African peacekeepers in Chad during the early 1980s as part of the Organisation of African Unity’s force and was military liaison officer for the West African regional body Ecowas in the mid 1990s.
Later he served in Ecowas’ peacekeeping force when it intervened in Sierra Leone’s bloody civil war, leading a tank battalion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6110800.stm
Intervened BBC? Ecowas did nothing of the sort. In fact BBC the Nigerians were the most corrupt people in Sierra Leone;
“Were there problems with the UN presence?
In May 2000, the then UN force commander in Sierra Leone launched an extraordinary attack on the Nigerian presence in the UN force. Major General Vijay Jetley accused top Nigerian officials in Freetown of “working hard to sabotage the peace process”, and the Nigerian army command of looting diamonds in league with Mr Sankoh.”http://www.guardian.co.uk/theissues/article/0,6512,218625,00.html
and before anybody tries to trip me up on the above;
Amnesty International calls on ECOWAS to ensure that:
• all West African troops in Sierra Leone adopt a determined approach to fulfil UNAMSIL=s mandate to protect civilians. Troops must also be provided with the necessary logistical support to fulfil this mandate;
• those alleged to have been responsible for human rights violations while serving previously in Sierra Leone as part of the ECOWAS Cease-fire Monitoring Group (ECOMOG) are not among those troops who are to deployed in Sierra Leone as part of UNAMSIL;
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAFR510572000?open&of=ENG-2F5
In fact BBC it took the deployment of 2000 British troops to arrest and repair the damage that 20,000 UN troops did to SL. And guess what BBC those 2000 troops took under a year to remove the Libyan back insurgences. A lot less time than it took the UN. So please spare me the platitudes about how the new Muslim leader of Nigeria is in fact a peacekeeper.
The BBC and truly half a story.
bbc 10 o clock news leads on the “50 years to save the fish” story.
just watching it now – i’ll wager 10 quid they wont mention the EU Common Fisheries Policy.
BBC owes me a tenner.
They didnt mention it.
Do you think that Justin Webb understands the meaning of the words “bigotted asshole”? Or, for the hard of understanding, plain, simple “racist”?
How ironic, for someone reporting from Georgia.
Peter Hitchens is on QT. they’ve changed the line up.
entire QT audience groans when Peter Hitchens criticises the consensus over climate change , and asks them to not be like a herd of sheep.
heseltine on next and supports the climate change consensus – big applause.
oh dear. green taxes on the way so.
Pauls, that is astounding. Well spotted.
I’m speechless.
however – to be fair – heseltine does make the point that no matter what we do, that wont affect the Indians or Chinese.
Pauls, sorry, Paulc
Had a bottle of wine. Have to when QT is on.
“Pauls, that is astounding. Well spotted.
I’m speechless.
JimBob ”
the french intifada has been covered by LGF, Brussels Journal, EUReferendum and quite a few others. its just that you need to know *where* to look in order to discover that vastly under-reported story. its gone up a level – to organised attacks on the police. organised – rather than random riots. and no-go areas.
and its happening now.
“Had a bottle of wine. Have to when QT is on.
JimBob | ”
snap. a glass of red makes Ming vastly more bearable…
Jim bob wrote;
Had a bottle of wine. Have to when QT is on.
Me too.
The BBC and half a story;
Egypt sends troops to Gaza border
Egypt has deployed at least 3,000 extra security forces near the border with the Gaza strip, according to officials. The move comes a day after an Israeli newspaper reported that the Israeli government planned to attack the border region with precision-guided rockets.
Maariv reported Israeli troops would try to destroy tunnels allegedly used by Palestinian militants to smuggle arms from Egypt into the Gaza Strip.
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Israel says huge amounts of munitions have been smuggled into Gaza via the tunnels. However, little evidence has been presented to support the use of such weaponry by Palestinian militants in Gaza.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6095608.stm
Meanwhile in the real world;
IDF finds stock of guns, ammunition in Gaza home
An IDF raid on a Palestinian home in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday uncovered a weapons cache that included guns, ammunition, two anti-tank RPGs, and military optical equipment
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378304202&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Communities in southern Israel absorbed an onslaught of Kassam rocket attacks launched from Gaza on Thursday. Residents were terrorized, with two injured and others suffering hysteria and anxiety.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=114743
Israeli forces intercepted a shipment of high explosives smuggled through a vital Gaza-Israel crossing and headed for the West Bank, the military said Wednesday.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/25/africa/ME_GEN_Israel_Gaza_Explosives.php
The BBC and not even a story.
QT seems to be quite balanced: only one real right-winger is needed to trounce the lefties, and the latter includes Heseltine.
Archduke, I’ve seen the reports by LGF, BrusselsJournal…, I just hadn’t seen the lies/coverup/antitheses (what word should I use) that the BBC were printing.
It takes a large glass to make Ming bearable but a full bottle for Clarke
it is staggering JimBob , isnt it?
but then again, i’ve noticed a woeful lack of proper European news coverage from the BBC.
its the small things i’ve noticed – in my own case, a total non-reporting of the St Paddys day parades in Dublin.
why point that out? well, because on the same day, a New York regiment , the “Fighting 69th”, just back from Iraq, took center stage in the NYC paddys day parade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_69th_Infantry_Regiment
this was never reported by the BBC that day.
ok, its a small thing – but the small things add up. and as we have always said here – the BBC lies by omission a heck of a lot.
Another “omission” thing i can think of is the coverage of Putin. That guy does 3 hour news conferences, without notes.
and yet, we get the impression that he is a pseudo-dictator of sorts. I dunno, but i do wish for more intelligent coverage of Russia. its vastly more important than say, the endless moaning reporting from the gaza strip. why should i be concerned about the gaza strip, when the inhabitants hate my guts and everything western?
The BBC and half a story;
UK youths ‘among worst in Europe’
Britain’s teenagers are among the most badly behaved in Europe, a study by a think-tank has suggested. On every indicator of bad behaviour – drugs, drink, violence, promiscuity – the UK was at or near the top, said the Institute for Public Policy Research. The institute looked at the results of a number of studies of adolescents conducted in recent years. The researchers believe the country’s record can be explained by a collapse in family and community life in the UK.
Free time
Measured against German, French and Italian youngsters, British 15-year-olds are drunk more often and involved in more fights, and a higher proportion have had sex.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6108302.stm
But BBC in the UK our youths don’t set fire to 100 cars a night;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6089850.stm
And our youths don’t shoot their sisters in cold blood for living like a German;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4345459.stm
also our youths don’t go round in hordes looking for woman to rape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6106500.stm
Lastly our youths don’t blame their religions when caught raping women;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3649369.stm
I wouldn’t mind if the BBC compared our young with the rest of the worlds reprobates but they don’t. As for the sex angle. After seen how the BBC brainwashes out young with programs such as Eastenders, Torchwood, and the rest of their Low grade programs which enforce the image that sex is love. I think they are the last people on this planet who can berate the youth of the UK. (Unless of course they belong to a majority minority faith in the Uk then everything they do is above board)
The BBC and half a story.
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Coming up after Doomwatch… the end of the world
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN
‘We’re doomed’: The BBC has done all it can to put the fear of God into us over global warming
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_article_id=414214&in_page_id=1787
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Pounce:
The vehicle used was a Silver Merc
Doesn’t quite tie in with the poverty and joblessness causes crime theory, does it?
Just saw this on the BBC. Immediately thought “Whose agenda?”,
“What bad news is this meant to obscure?” and “Cui bono?” all at
once.
Also, why dredge this up after 25 years? Especially when those
responsible at the time may not be alive to defend themselves
today.
2/11/06 @ 18:11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/default.stm
Latest: “Details of damning inquiry into Falklands sinking released
by government. More soon.”
Nothing on GNN, nor Directgov, nor No 10 website.
What are the Govt and/or BBC up to?
What is the agenda? Are NuLab using the BBC to throw up past
failures to screen/excuse current failures within MOD?
Or, given it was released under FOIA, what agenda of its own is al-
Beeb following?
SEE:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6111500.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 2 November 2006, 18:12 GMT
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Sunk Falklands ship safety ‘poor’
An inquiry into the sinking of HMS Sheffield at the height of the
Falklands War said crew were poorly trained and equipment was
inadequate.
The ship sank on 4 May 1982 with the loss of 20 men after being hit
by an Argentine missile fired from a plane.
Details of the inquiry into the sinking have emerged in previously
classified documents released under the Freedom of Information Act.
They found firefighting was poorly co-ordinated and pumps were
“abysmal”.
John Archer | 02.11.06 – 2:07 pm
“How many people, if any, have you working on this Hamilton/Fayed thing now on your behalf? ”
None.
“Has that number increased recently? By how many?”
No. Zero.
“How much is their time costing licence payers?”
Not a penny piece. Nor is mine.
pounce – you are on fire. Great posts!
Seems the BBC forgets its favourite word ‘alleged’ in some cases and not in others:
BNP pair’s race hate trial begins
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6113040.stm
so, definitely a race hate trial then, no doubts about that, no ‘scare quotes’ – however in a similar matter…..
Hamza ‘is not on trial for views’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4667674.stm
and
Abu Hamza ‘was wrongly convicted’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6102046.stm
Interesting eh?
In support of the BBC…
Media: The BBC should hold its nerve
http://www.newstatesman.com/200611060023
“The BBC maintains a fairly strict apportionment of time between representatives of the main British political parties. Otherwise it takes, as its editorial default position, respectable, informed opinion.
Excuse me? Can you please refer me to the section in the BBC Charter that states the BBC should take a “respectable, informed editorial opinion” on anything?
John Reith,
Thanks.
Ritter | 03.11.06 – 11:33 am
Wilby does not say that the BBC itself adopts any opinion (respectable or otherwise).
He talks about the BBC’s ‘editorial default position’ – meaning the editorial judgment exercised in choosing whom to have on in an interview programme or to take part in a discussion.
Actually he is wrong. Though the BBC may have a ‘default position’ of ‘respectable, informed opinion’ most of the time, the BBC also has a duty to reflect (from time to time) extremist, maverick, outlandish or simply unusual opinion. That’s why it sometimes has on Nick Griffin, Tariq Ali, Robert Kilroy-Silk, Abu Izadeen and Denis McShane (…..sorry Denis, just joking..).
Though Wilby was wrong on that bit, he did make 3 good points:
“A service that accommodates Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear, allows Melanie Phillips to rant on The Moral Maze, turns Boris Johnson into a media star, and gives bishops free airtime during its peak morning radio show doesn’t strike me as uniformly liberal or atheistic.”
“As anybody who has dealt with a convinced supporter of Israel or Palestine knows, people who themselves take an unbalanced view will not see your view as balanced, no matter how hard you try. ”
“In opinion polls, the BBC consistently scores far higher for trustworthiness than any of the newspapers that criticise it. “
Wilby forgets that the left never criticise the BBC. And his especial mention of the only 2 ‘non default position’ people who (occasionally) appear on the BBC – Melanie Phillips & Clarkson – only makes the standard position clearer.
Bob
Melanie Phillips and Jeremy Clarkson do not only ‘occasionally’ appear on the BBC, they have regular slots.
Over and above that, they quite frequently appear on other shows.
In any case, these two would come under Wilby’s heading of ‘respectable, informed’. They are part of the default position, not outside it.
Before anyone asks me to defend the State Within can I just go on record as finding it abysmal.
The ambassador is a chav. If I ran into the diary secretary in the Charing Cross Road I’d assume she was on the game. The SIS bloke looked like a Fulham player in a suit…..’til he started on the gay sex.
The only way these guys would get into one of her Britannic Majesty’s posts abroad is if they were delivering something. They should at least have visited the Foreign Office to see what the people are really like.
Almost every other shot is of a phone…..dramatic counterpoint depending on oscillation between cell and landline. Dialogue crap. Cut like a credit sequence. Plot-lines derivative. Characterization thin.
I expect it will be a huge success.
The Beeb is about to lose the UK muslim audience to Al-Jazeera:
Hello, good evening and welcome to Al-Jazeera, Prime Minister
http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article1951261.ece
BBC News has lost the centre-right/right, the young, the internet-savvy. This leaves the BBC with the left (with Al-J eating into that audience). Reminds me of something BBC reporter Justin Webb said a few months ago along the lines that in the US the young don’t watch the news, the right read blogs and watch FOX, which leaves CNN/ABC etc fighting over whats left.
Al-J English is staffed by ex-BBC (Raggy Omar etc) and can only further dilute the BBC’s audience and therefore rationale for enforced licence fee. I wish Al-J well.
Yes, JR, that’s the point. Not only canb you name individually the right-wingers allowed on the BBC, but that when they’re allowed on, they’re either licenced buffoons (and how right wing is ‘gunships in New Orleans’ Clarkson ?) or they’re providing commentary ‘from the Right’, like MP.
Meanwhile, James Naughtie, Kirsty Walk, the Five Live team et al are providing ‘objective news reports’. The whole thrust of the BBC’s output is that soft Liberalism is simply objective truth, with the Right as the wacky ‘other’.
DUmbJon | 03.11.06 – 12:40 pm
Yes. And why describe Melanie Phillips as a ranter?
The irony of that description is that she normally gets ranted at and before she can adequately reply she will be cut off by michael burke or david dimbelbore.
John Reith | 03.11.06 – 12:36 pm
We don’t pay much attention here to that sort of criticism of the beeb.
But we’ll be getting back to you when it turns out that all the trouble is the fault of an unholy alliance between the US religious right and Mossad.
We already know that the gays wont be the villains.
My bet is that:
1) in a brilliant stroke of diplomacy osama bin liner saves the world and is made secretary-general of the un by acclaim.
2) the President of the USA, having made many huge mistakes simply because he is a Republican, converts to democrat, makes no more mistakes and invites iran to join NAFTA.