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  1. Bryan says:

    A few days ago on the World Service we were treated to yet another propaganda piece by Alan Johnston which was predictably short on facts and big on emotion.

    Johnston was pretending to inform us about the Hamas-Fatah violence and took us along with him up some steps to a Palestinian family home. The twelve-year-old daughter had been shot in the stomach when she went outside to take in the washing.

    Nobody will ever know if it was a Fatah or Hamas bullet, he said.

    He let the impact of this terrible event sink in before eventually informing us that the girl had survived.

    This took me back a few years to another piece by Johnston. A sixteen- year-old Palestinian girl had been shot dead in her family home in the course of fighting between Palestinians and Israelis in Gaza. Johnston pushed all the usual buttons, dripping with sympathy for the family, allowing the father generous air time to rant and rave against Israel and virtually portraying the killing as a deliberate act by the Israelis.

    What he didn’t say was, Nobody will ever know whether an Israeli or Palestinian bullet killed her.

    Hell, that would have meant telling the truth.

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  2. Market Participant says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6341131.stm

    Palestinian talks into second day

    Thursday, 8 February 2007, 06:38 GMT

    ===

    ” resolve differences that have threatened to ignite a civil war.”

    So that’s what it is. Very brave of the BBC to tell the truth.

    “The main international donors to the Palestinians launched a crippling aid boycott after Hamas won elections in January 2006.”

    Why did they launch this “crippling” boycott? Does anyone know?

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  3. Market Participant says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6338627.stm

    Wednesday, 7 February 2007, 13:33 GMT

    Arrest in Jerusalem site protest

    ====

    “In 1996, work by the Israeli authorities underneath the heavily-disputed compound triggered riots in which 80 people died in clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli troops.”

    The tunnel goes next to, but never goes underneath the temple mount complex.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall_Tunnel

    Also per wikipedia, total deaths were 70 palestinian rioter’s and 16 IDF troops. But they aren’t people. So let’s make it a flat 80.

    Cmon BBC, first get the facts right, then you can distort them later.

    “Al-Aqsa is believed to be where the Prophet Muhammad made an ascent to heaven into the presence of God.”

    There’s that capitalized profit again.

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  4. Bryan says:

    Why did they launch this “crippling” boycott? Does anyone know?

    I’ll give it a shot:

    In line with BBC policy, Johnston also had to add the obligatory blame Israel and/or the US to his latest propaganda piece by mentioning the withholding of funds to Hamas. He also pointed out that Israel, the US and the EU regard Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

    This is an improvement of sorts for the BBC. Previously (and frequently) it has omitted the EU from the list, unwilling to publish the fact that the glorious EU could possibly stoop so low as to speak of Hamas and terror in the same breath.

    This in spite of the fact that during the three years of the second Intifada Hamas led the terror killing of over a thousand Israelis, deliberately aiming at women, children and the elderly, and driven by one concern only: to kill as many Jews as possible.

    That’s why when the BBC uses the word regard in the same sentence as Hamas and terrorist, it is as nonsensical as saying, People regard the earth as revolving around the sun.

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  5. David says:

    “….. i’ve started listening to american talk radio over the internet.

    podcast/rss feed (townhall.com) :
    http://www.townhall.com/ talkradi…a5039c6c55.aspx
    archduke | 07.02.07 – 11:44 pm”

    I’ve been listening to American talk radio for some time. Download the podcasts and listen while gardening, driving …

    There is not much I can post about the BBC as I rarely listen. I stopped listening to Question Time and Any Questions over 15 years ago; their bias was already apparent then.

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  6. archduke says:

    unfortunately i inadvertently managed to tune into “Today” briefly this morning, as i was looking for local radio reports on the snow… and lo and behold they had some Jihadist bleating about how terrible the police were in doing their job – and , shock horror , they questioning him. oh the inhumanity of it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6340935.stm

    “Mr Bakr, who is studying for a PhD in Political Islam at the city’s university”

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  7. Alan says:

    After the performance this morning, I am now boycotting Al Beeb’s ‘TODAY’ programme.

    I didn’t listen to its propaganda much before, but the pro-Islamic, anti-British justice bias this morning, made me feel like an unrepresented foreigner in the country I was born in.

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  8. Alan says:

    ” Sarkozy defends Muhammad cartoons” ( 7 Feb.)
    http://newsbbc.co.uk (go to ‘world’ and ‘europe’)

    Where is that outspoken defender of freedom of speech, socialist Royal?

    I presume the Guardian, the New Statesmen,the Independent and Al Beeb are all grappling with their consciences on this issue.

    The trial continues today.

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  9. Socialism is Necrotizing says:

    The BBC and Accepted Wisdom

    Climate change is, quite literally, top of the agenda. The other day someone asked me where our piece on Kosovo was running in the TV bulletin. “Dunno, I can’t get into the running orders,” I said, kicking my laptop morosely, and cursing Pristina internet connections.

    It still snows sometimes, even in Cyprus
    “Probably next to the weather,” I replied… in other words, right at the end of the programme. Then it occurred to me that “the weather” was actually the lead item on that night’s news.

    I remember the first time the 10 O’clock News ran an item on climate change as its lead story. It seemed an eccentric and courageous decision.Now it is the accepted wisdom.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6339985.stm

    and why accepted wisdom is the road to ruin

    Disbelief in today’s received wisdom is described as ‘Denial’, which is branded by some as a crime that must be punished. It began with Holocaust denial, before moving on to the denial of other genocides. Then came the condemnation of ‘AIDS denial’, followed by accusations of ‘climate change denial’. This targeting of denial has little to do with the specifics of the highly-charged emotional issues involved in discussions of the Holocaust or AIDS or pollution. Rather, it is driven by a wider mood of intolerance towards free thinking

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/article/2792/

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  10. john says:

    I didn’t listen to its propaganda much before, but the pro-Islamic, anti-British justice bias this morning, made me feel like an unrepresented foreigner in the country I was born in.
    Alan

    I guess we can be thankful that Bakr, still sounds like a silly A Level student, about as articulate as the two yesterday who were given the celebrated post 8am slot. The highlight of the morning was John Humphrys remark on the Today programme responding to Lord Bragg’s advert for his following programnme on Karl Popper:
    “…we do try to subject our ideas to rigorous testing”

    Irony indeed, with such propaganda the BBC is the enemy of the open society.
    Once again who are these faceless editors of this flagship programme: Dominique Allen and somebody called Groves today? How many of them are there? Humprhys talks about mysterious briefings from Whitehall, but who are these BBC editors? They hide behind screens, sit in bunkers, and we don’t know enything about them, except that they decide to invite people like Bakr on their show.

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  11. Michael Taylor says:

    Know Your Audience

    Another update on the cognitive dissonance of the people selecting the “quotes” on the Have Your Say – an occasional trivial expose of the distance between the trivial BBC staffer and his/her audience. Note, I don’t suggest this is either serious or a conspiracy – think of it more as an on-going comedy.

    Debate: Would you pay more for an environmentally friendly car?
    BBC’s recommended quote: “I’d pay more for a greener car, if the fuel charges were cheaper.”
    Most recommended: “I think the notion that we should “Pay Extra To Get An Eco-Friendly Car” defeats the purpose, in my opinion. Surely the best way to encourage people to buy them is to make them cheaper than standard petrol/diesel cars. Why should it cost more to be eco-friendly?”

    Debate: Would you fly on a super-jumbo jet?
    BBC recommended quote: “The A380 is a fantastic piece of engineering and design.”
    Most recommended: “It flies. It’s got people on it. It uses fuel. It’s part British. It helps employment and business. … go on, Gordon … TAX IT!”

    Debate: Whither the House of Lords?
    BBC recommended quote: “The upper house should be 100% elected.”
    Most Recommended: “It’s only thanks to the old fogies in the Lords that the Government’s plans for a Police State are not more advanced. So any attempts to reform the Lords by this government should be viewed with extreme suspicion. Forget reform of the Lords, let’s have TOTAL REFORM OF OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. It’s the 21st Century, we have the technology – let’s have Direct Democracy!!!”

    Debate: Bird Flu
    BBC recommended quote: “DEFRA stresses there’s no immediate risk to human, so why the fuss?”
    Most recommended : “Oh no, NOT again, please!!!! Another 24 to 48 hours of total media hype & saturation on a complete non-story (APART FOR THE UNFORTUNATE BIRDS). It wont transfer to humans. It wont kill anyone in GB. It wont spread across the nation. BBC, ITV, Newspapers PLEASE give-up on this total, scare-mongering, nonsensical drivel.The only pandemic I can see is the media coverage.”

    A final thought: I’m particularly amused by the contrast between the statist assumptions of the BBC quote – if it’s DEFRA it MUST be OK – and the vocal disgust of the media’s efforts to hype this one up. Can anyone honestly think of a less convincing reason for not panicking about H5N1, than that DEFRA says its ok?

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  12. archduke says:

    interesting. on the main europe page (right hand column) the headline is

    “Sarkozy backs Prophet cartoons”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/default.stm

    oh dear. its that capital P again.
    but then when you click through the headline changes to
    “Sarkozy defends Muhammad cartoons”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6339591.stm

    but then , within the text of the article the capital P pops up again

    “Muslims regard images of the Prophet Mohammed as blasphemous.”

    note the lack of qualifiers – such as “islamic prophet…” or even the “so-called prophet”.

    and again it pops up later:
    “One image shows the Prophet Muhammad carrying a lit bomb in the shape of a turban”

    well for starters BBC – he’s not a “Prophet” to 98 per cent of the population.

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  13. BaggieJonathan says:

    Today, PM, Question Time, Any Questions, Newsnight – all programmes I used to watch/listen to regularly but have given up doing so because of the bias.
    Keep it up Al Beeb and soon we wont watch or listen to any of your programmes…
    End the Poor Tax (aka license fee) and privatise the BBC – now!

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  14. Bryan says:

    archduke,

    From the link in your 9:09 am post:

    Abu Bakr, who works in the Maktabah bookshop, targeted in anti-terror raids in Birmingham, also told BBC News the UK was “a police state for Muslims”.

    Is he praising the police here? I thought Muslims were OK with the idea of a police state. After all, they create them:

    Iran
    Egypt
    Syria
    Saudi Arabia

    etc, etc.

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  15. Umbongo says:

    Fabio

    (As noted by Stephen Pollard) Dominic Lawson – in the Independent no less – wrote this little gem:

    “The less-quoted statistic, however, is the prison population as a proportion of crimes committed. That paints a more pertinent picture. In England and Wales 12 people are imprisoned for every 1,000 crimes committed. In Spain the figure is 48 per 1,000; in Ireland it is 33 per 1,000. Both those countries have much lower crime rates than ours.”

    I don’t think the BBC (or any of its favourite “independent” think tanks – NACRO, Prison Reform Trust) have ever (or will ever) produce such a statistic the next time the efficacy of prison is discussed on the air.

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  16. ThePainter says:

    Biodegradable

    I don’t believe that asylum seekers are either a race or a religion…

    That sort of enforces the point I’m trying to make. When somebody brands a member of one of the BBC’s favoured groups a cockroach, the BBC gets all high and mighty about it.
    When Islam (another favoured BBC group) calls members of other religions ‘apes’ and ‘pigs’ the BBC merely thinks this is controversial.

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  17. zboy says:

    Archduke, Many thanks for the link and I’m glad you found my observations interesting. I have to say that I actually felt safer walking around Manila and Zamboanga than I do in the UK. There are police and soldiers on every street corner, unlike here when it is rare to see a police officer. There are also armed guards protecting most shops, even KFC and other fast food venues, and you are searched before entering. Banks have 3 or 4 shotgun-armed guards, so I would expect robberies to be few. Manila airport’s security makes ours look like a joke. You are not even allowed in the terminal building without a valid air ticket and showing your passport. There were then 2 or 3 searches before you pass through to the departure lounge. Okay, it takes time–90 mins on my last trip–but it is thorough. PC in the Philippines isn’t as advanced as it is in the West. A terrorist is a terrorist, not a militant or radical or insurgent or plumber or some other weasel word, plus there are adverts on TV offering rewards for information on named terrorists–there’s no chance of that over here, Helena Kennedy et al would have a fit. I don’t think that I saw a single story about climate change on TV when I was there and Iraq/Afghanistan stories were few. There is no compulsion to send children to school, but most want to go. If they don’t go it is usually due to cost: uniform, notebooks, pens etc plus a £5 registration fee per year. The Catholic church is still very strong over there and attendance is high. Also children are so much more polite and well-mannered than many of ours. Sure, they will look at you as it is still unusual to see a white face in many areas, but there is no abuse or name calling. Young children will address you as “uncle” or “auntie,” even if they are complete strangers. Older ones, closer to your own age will address you as “brother” or “sister” as a sign of respect. Children will also ask for a blessing. The child takes your hand and holds it to his/her forehead and you say”Bless you” or “God bless you.” It does take you back at first but it does show the respect for one’s elders that is instilled in children by parents and society in general–so different to here in the UK. At Christmas the local council put a nativity scene with lights on a small island in the middle of a lake close to where I stayed. There was a bridge to the island so one could actually walk around the scene and examine it. It was there about 3 weeks and no-one touched it. How long would it have survived over here before some brainless yob smashed it? Carol singers would politely ask if you wanted a carol then give you at least 5-10 mins of singing. Indeed, most only stopped when you paid them, then would sing “Thank you, thank you, you’re so good to us, thank you. Merry Christmas!” All that for the equivalent of 4 or 5p. And even the muslims would go carol singing, banging a home-made drum, dancing and singing. In general, Christmas was far less commercialized than in the West. There is some terrible poverty over there and it makes you realize that there isn’t any REAL poverty in the UK–not having a dvd player is not poverty no matter what the hand-wringers tell us, yet the Philippines is a far happier country with greater social cohesion than the UK from what I saw.

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  18. archduke says:

    zboy -> tv adverts. now theres an idea.
    i’ve always wondered why they dont do that over here. the public can be very useful eyes and ears for the police, and yet that enormous resource is never used.

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  19. GCooper says:

    If any lurker reading this site doubts the prevailing theme, that the BBC and its news staff are inherently biased, all they need to do is tune in to Radio 4’s From Our Own Correspondent.

    The usefulness of this programme as an indicator of the underlying beliefs of BBC foreign correspondents cannot be overestimated. Today, for example, we had Daniel Griffiths all but weeping into his milk wine (look it up) over the demise of the former Mongolian communist regime and the way that has enabled the hated middle class to expand and the economy to grow at a steady six per cent.

    It is, no doubt, true, as Griffiths claims, that the nomadic Mongolians aren’t faring so well without their state handouts. But that is a reason to mourn the death of a political system that imprisoned and killed millions and made the Nazis look like bumbling amateurs?

    This is the true and authentic voice of the BBC reporter. So lost in a Leftist vision that reality is a far, distant memory from childhood.

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  20. zboy says:

    Archduke, the civil liberties lobby would be up in arms if adverts were put on telly to catch terrorists. By civil liberties lobby I, of course, include the BBC. Can you imagine the Today team’s reaction to that one?

    The released man who is now complaining about a police state for muslims said that the anti-terror laws were designed to target muslims. Er…wasn’t it muslims that carried out 9/11, Madrid and 7/7? Oh, I forgot, those attacks were the work of CIA/Mossad/MI6/Bush/Neo-Cons/oil companies.

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  21. Anonymous says:


    Radical hate-filled Islamic education:

    Iran’s Culture of Death

    “According to a Reuters news report from Monday, a little Lebanese girl who appeared on a… children’s show on Al-Manar – Hezbollah’s TV channel – said that she had often prayed for her father to be martyred in battle with Israel, and that she was very proud that he was killed in the war last July, and that she was ‘very happy for him,’ because she felt that God had heard her prayers.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26853

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  22. Alan says:

    Al Beeb (and left liberals) –

    Denmark and Britain on Islam: compare and contrast-

    ” The Danes: good agit-prop cartoons are just part of their story” ( 8 Feb.)

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=5430

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  23. Alan says:

    Excellent news!

    ABU IZZADEEN arrested, at last.

    Of course, our dhimmi MSM, including Al Beeb now gives masses of free air-time propaganda to Izzadeen’s many Islamist supporters; and THEIR propaganda goes uncriticised by ill-informed, wimpish interviewers.

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  24. disillusioned_german says:

    Tonight’s “Propaganda Time” panel:

    Environment Secretary David Miliband MP, the former Conservative Chancellor Kenneth Clarke MP, the Liberal Democrat MP Simon Hughes, the Vice Chair of Respect Salma Yaqoob and the writer Frederick Forsyth.

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  25. disillusioned_german says:

    Rather short piece on the Abu Izzadeen arrest here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6343109.stm

    “…In September, Mr Izzadeen, who was born Trevor Brooks, interrupted Mr Reid’s speech in Leytonstone.”

    Sounds pretty innocent to me!

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  26. disillusioned_german says:

    A more in-depth look at Abu Izzadeen can be found here: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384581-details/Extremist%20called%20for%20beheading%20of%20soldiers/article.do

    “The former electrician, who lives on benefits in Leyton, East London…”

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  27. Biodegradable says:

    disillusioned_german – great photo of him on that page!

    ROPMA!
    (Religion of Peace™ My Arse)

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  28. Pat says:

    I heard this programme on BBC world service and nearly jumped out of my socks

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/politics_uk.shtml

    Pauline Neville Jones and Douglas Murray + a beeboid all being tough minded about islamist terror threat. Mentions Pipes/Livingstone and undercover mosques too (at last). MCB bloke thoroughly exposed.

    perhaps the tide has turned.

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  29. Pat says:

    disillusioned_german | 08.02.07 – 3:37 pm

    ‘Preacher Held Under Terrorism Act’

    Preacher? Not plumber?

    RoP: religion of preachers.

    am now thinking my last post was too optimistic.

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  30. disillusioned_german says:

    BioDG: They’re all great pictures of him (aggressive, violent – you name it). Religion of peace. Yeah, right.

    Pat: No, he’s a former electrician surprisingly enough. But they do usually have connections with plumbers, right?

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  31. disillusioned_german says:
  32. GCooper says:

    dissillusioned_german rites:

    “Environment Secretary David Miliband MP, the former Conservative Chancellor Kenneth Clarke MP, the Liberal Democrat MP Simon Hughes, the Vice Chair of Respect Salma Yaqoob and the writer Frederick Forsyth.”

    So, four Lefties and a Righty, eh?

    And the BBC isn’t biased?

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  33. Biodegradable says:

    Abu Izzadeen, AKA Clever Trevor, displays threatening behaviour on YouTube:

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  34. Pat says:

    Abu Izzadeen was filmed claiming Muslims who join the British Army face capital punishment under Muslim law………

    Scholars from a number of mosques have rejected his version of Islamic law, which they say………..

    How do you think that sentence ends? Is it:

    (a) is barbaric, morally wrong and intrinsically wicked.
    (b) Is tantamount to Treason.
    (c) Risks damaging community relations.

    http://www.stv.tv/content/news/main/more_news_display.html?id=feeddb:19038222

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  35. Alan says:

    Refresher course on ABU IZZADEEN:

    go to:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen

    It includes many interviews, inc. Al Beeb’s, etc.

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  36. archduke says:

    “Abu Izzadeen was filmed claiming Muslims who join the British Army face capital punishment under Muslim law”…

    something occured to me – is the arrest linked to the Birmingham arrests?

    perhaps the cops found a Clever Trevor video in the hands of the Brum Jihadists?

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  37. Biodegradable says:

    archduke – I think it could be something like that.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1354028.ece
    A Scotland Yard spokesman said: “A 31-year-old man was arrestedin Leyton High Road this morning under section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2006 for allegedly encouraging terrorism as a result of ongoing inquiries.”

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  38. Biodegradable says:

    Scholars from a number of mosques have rejected his version of Islamic law, which they say………..

    How do you think that sentence ends? Is it:

    (a) is barbaric, morally wrong and intrinsically wicked.
    (b) Is tantamount to Treason.
    (c) Risks damaging community relations.

    (d) Has been taken out of context.

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  39. pounce says:

    The BBC those nasty Jews and half a story;
    Arrest in Jerusalem site protest
    Israeli police have arrested the head of the country’s Islamic movement, as he tried to protest against excavations near al-Aqsa mosque in east Jerusalem. Sheikh Raed Salah was detained along with six other activists after they tried to enter the Old City. Police limited access to the area amid calls by Muslim leaders for mass protests to stop the work going ahead. Palestinians say it could damage the foundations of the Aqsa compound, also revered by Jews as the Temple Mount. The Israeli authorities say renovations are needed to safeguard the ancient site and have guaranteed that they will be no structural damage to the ancient site.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6338627.stm

    and the leftwing guardian version of the same story;

    Muslim protests as Israel digs at holy site
    Israeli archaeologists began digging up a stone ramp near the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem’s Old City today, bringing immediate protests from Palestinians and condemnation from the king of Jordan.The work is the first stage in a scheme to build a new, raised walkway up to the site, which is known as the Haram al-Sharif to Muslims and the Temple Mount to Jews. Next to the walkway is the Western Wall, which dates from the time of the Second Temple and is the holiest site in Judaism.
    ……………….
    The work was first planned after a storm three years ago damaged the stone ramp leading up to the Mugrabi gate of the holy site, an entrance generally used by tourists. An engineering survey declared the ramp unsafe and a temporary, wooden walkway was built next to it on stilts. Eventually the wooden structure will be removed and replaced by the new 100 metre-long raised walkway.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2007179,00.html

    Lastly I see no mention of how the Arabs fixed numerous urinals into the Wailing Wall (part of the same building) before Israel captured it during the Six day war. I mean they and their puppets (The BBC) mention desecration?

    The BBC and half a story.

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  40. Anonymous says:

    Matt Frei’s hagiographies of Hillary and Obama should be ripe for fisking…

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6340747.stm

    As should the ‘informed’ comments left on the (D)HYS page that includes one from the prolific Pancha Chandra:

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=5481&edition=1&ttl=20070208164946&#paginator

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  41. disillusioned_german says:

    Al Beeb’s headlines keep changing (re. the Abu Izzadeen arrest). So far we had “Man arrested…”, “Preacher arrested…”, now (5.05 pm UK time) it’s “Activist arrested…”.

    Next it might be “Electrician arrested…”, we’ll see.

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  42. disillusioned_german says:

    Correction: “Activist held under terror laws” – http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/default.stm

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  43. Steve E. says:

    Strange how the Beeb can’t work this angle into the Al-Aqsa narrative…

    Iran’s Khamenei urges Islamic states to retaliate against Israeli work at Jerusalem holy site

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/07/africa/ME-GEN-Iran-Al-Aqsa-Mosque.php

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  44. Alan says:

    “Londonistan burns with hate while the Government fiddles” (8 Feb.)

    http://www.civitas.org.uk

    This article criticises the inadequacy of Government response to Muslim extremism. (Saudi financed race-hate Islamic school story, reported on ‘Newsnight’, and elsewhere, is referred to as a case in point.)

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  45. Drop in Now and Then says:

    Am probably a day behind here but was just reading about this school in West London and its textbooks which described Jews as having ‘repugnant characteristics’ etc…

    Anyone know whether this story was carried on CBBC’s Newsround (as well as Newsnight). Surely it would have been an ideal piece for its target age group?

    Naturally would be amazed if it was…

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  46. pounce says:

    The BBC and half a story.

    Ref Mr Abu Bakr from a certain bookshop in Birmingham. How many people knew this little snippet about his and his muckers release;
    “They were released when a magistrate refused to give police permission to hold them any longer.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2008122,00.html

    The BBC and half a story.

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  47. Jon says:

    GCooper said.”so, four Lefties and a Righty, eh?”

    I find that balanced – Fredrick Forsyth has more intelligence in his little finger than the other 4 put together (or should that be 5 counting David Dimblwit).

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  48. Market Participant says:

    One thing the BBC and the civil liberties groups will never accept is the fact that criminals in prison do not commit crimes against the public.

    One reason the US has such a reasonable crime rate is that many criminals are in jails’ and they stay there.

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  49. Jon says:

    Its thanks to people like Rudy Guiliani of New York (and presidential candidate) who took a zero tolerance on even “low level crime”. Just think if he had been the mayor of London – he would have been vilified on the BBC daily.

    Liberals do not know the meaning of the phrase “tough on crime” (nor I’m afraid do many conservatives)

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  50. Biodegradable says:

    pounce:
    The BBC those nasty Jews and half a story;
    Arrest in Jerusalem site protest
    Israeli police have arrested the head of the country’s Islamic movement, as he tried to protest against excavations near al-Aqsa mosque in east Jerusale

    Apparenty he “scuffled” with Israeli police – other reports say he attacked them.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1170359801084&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
    A Jerusalem court on Wednesday ordered the fiery leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel to stay out of the Old City of Jerusalem for the next 10 days after he tried to force his way to the site of a contested archeological excavation outside the Temple Mount, police said.

    Sheikh Raed Salah was one of seven Israeli Arabs detained by police near the Dung Gate on Wednesday morning.

    Salah said Wednesday evening that he was intending to come to Temple Mount on Thursday, a move that would effectively breaking the court order.

    Salah and his supporters had scuffled with police guarding the workers carrying out the salvage excavation near the Temple Mount.

    The Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court ordered Salah and three of his associates to stay 150 meters outside the walled Old City for the next 10 days, Jerusalem police spokeswoman Sigal Toledo said.

    In court, Salah accused Israel of “the crime of demolishing a part of the blessed Al Aksa compound” and of “pushing the whole region to religious war.” The archeological excavation under way ahead of the planned construction of a new bridge to the Mughrabi Gate is taking place dozens of meters outside the Temple Mount compound.

    Salah, who heads the extremist northern branch of the Islamic Movement, which denies Israel’s legitimacy, had called on Tuesday for an intifada over the archeological dig by the Jerusalem holy site.

    Salah has served a two-year sentence for a series of security offenses, including financing Hamas activities.

    Egypt summons Israeli envoy over Temple Mount excavatio
    Sheikh Raed Salah, the head of the Islamic Movement’s Northern Branch, arrived at the scene, but kept his distance due to a court order prohibiting from coming within 150 meters of the Old City for the next 10 days.

    On Wednesday, police detained Salah and six of his supporters after they arrived at the Old City’s Dung Gate and tried to break into the excavation site near the Mugrabi Gate. A violent confrontation developed.
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