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about 2:30 in you get the CRS charge.
Gare Du Nord is one of the Eurostar terminals. i always remember it being a seriously shitty station, full of muggers and hustlers eyeing up tourists…
glad to see the CRS finally banging some heads.
“will | 30.03.07 – 7:05 pm |”
i was curious about the name of that film. why “mark of cain”, whats that all about?
wikipedia to the rescue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain
its a biblical curse from God.
and no, i cant make head or tail of it either – are they saying that the british army is a curse on iraq? or that iraq is a curse on the brits?
Biodegradable,
Congrats on your victory – even though the BBC is not big enough to give you an unqualified one.
I was working my way slowly down the thread pausing to chuckle at the growing list of BBC journalists to be traded for the British sailors when I came to IiD-Supporting our troops | 30.03.07 – 5:29 pm. The suggestion that we give the Iranians 26,000 BBC journalists for the sailors is priceless.
Can we just be sure that we include:
Nick Thorpe
Hugh Sykes
Jim Muir
Matthew Price
Matthew Patience
We don’t have to include Frances Harrison since she’s already there.
And if Alan Johnston’s kidnappers free him, he can also join the crew.
BBC hacks will be delighted to be living in a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist dictatorship and the British public will be delighted to no longer be forced to subsidise them.
Problem solved.
“I am even prepaired to travell to Gaza”
Wow Ahmed – there’s bravery for you. So much for right of return – should be amended to “right of return – if you really want to risk it”
Oscar | 30.03.07 – 6:39 pm
Maybe it should be ‘fright of return’ 😉
Just for the record, If i went out of the way in which to smash in the teeth of a few BBC reporters. Would you guys chip in for my court case.
pounce | 30.03.07 – 6:42 pm
I wouldn’t want to encourage violence other than in self-defence, but I’d happily put £50 in the pot if you were ever to find yourself in the situation where you felt your honour, or your intelligence, was being insulted to the extent that you had no alternative than to defend it.
Perhaps knocking the teeth out of such wimps would be a little ‘disproportionate’. Maybe just a swollen mouth would be enough to keep them quiet for a while.
(Usual disclaimer applies)
” pounce | 30.03.07 – 6:42 pm”
i understand your anger, but violence is not the answer. if you really want to piss the BBC off, donate some money to any of the Israeli charities, or even join a pro-Israel organisation.
UK Friends of Magen David Adom
http://www.ukmda.org/
Israeli orphan girls, Netanya
http://www.levlalev.org/emails/pesach-debka-120×120.htm
Friends of the IDF
http://www.israelsoldiers.org/
more charities here:
http://www.25waystohelpisrael.com/pages/t1.asp?PID=1023
Maybe it should be ‘fright of return’
Biodegradable | 30.03.07 – 7:17 pm
The team is on good form tonight.
debka:
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3990
(its debka, so take with a pinch of salt)
American investors in Bahrain advised to pack up business operations and leave – advice from US Central Command 5th Fleet HQ. Patriot missile battery deployed.
pounce,
Further to archduke’s suggestions remember you can always send pizza or burgers to IDF troops. I imagine those soldiers would really apreciate that kind of gesture from another soldier.
http://pizzaidf.org/
http://burgeridf.org/
Burgers and Soda
Jeep Patrol Package (4 soldiers) $29.99
Section Package (10 soldiers) $64.99
Platoon Package (30 soldiers) $189.99
A Month of Burgers
A Jeep Patrol Package
each week for a month
(Tell us how many months,
and we will bill you monthly.) $109.99
Hot Hearty Healthy Soup
Thick chunky winter vegetable soup
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per portion
on c4 news – south africa has a proposed law that will made it illegal (fines/imprisonment) for south africans to serve in any foreign army, including the british army.
trouble is – there are rather a lot of south african soldiers currently serving in the UK forces.
giving them british citizenship was mentioned.
C4 do it again.
on now , a docu about the shabby treatment of British soldiers by this government. presented by Martin Bell.
about the unwritten “covenant” between the nation and the military. he argues for it to be finally written into LAW.
1. For pro-British coverage of the Iran hostage crisis switch over to…
Fox News!
2. I totally understand Pounce’s anger. As a former soldier he’s got every right to be p****d off. But Archduke’s right – we need to be more subtle. Now’s the right time for you guys to stop paying the TV Tax.
EU ministers put pressure on Iran
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6509217.stm
They urged “the immediate and unconditional release” of the crew.
Wow! I’m impressed. The EU is great after all. I’ve suddenly become a Europhile.
“disillusioned_german | 30.03.07 – 7:52 pm”
thats great news. no doubt backed up by the enormous firepower of several EU carrier fleets positioned in the Gulf ,and backed up by the EU nuclear deterrent.
oh wait… maybe not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/washington/28military.html
I keep wondering where the Royal Navy’s Vanguard class ballistic nuclear submarines are, Archduke. Unless they are all out of service because of the spending cuts… Who knows. Tony, can you comment, please. Tony? Come in, Tony!
Newsflash:
“Iranian troops land on Isle of Wight. No. 10 issues a “hands-off” warning but instructs Royal Navy not to shoot fearing international criticism.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6509217.stm
“the UK Foreign Secretary, Margaret Beckett, did not explicitly ask for a suspension of EU business ties with Tehran.”
errr… why?????
“France and other big European countries, including Germany and Italy, have important economic interests in Iran and would be reluctant to heed such calls, our reporter says.”
ha. great friggin “union” this EU thing is. nice to know who are so-called “friends” are.
“the European external affairs commissioner, Benita Ferrero-Waldner, warned that the EU had to be careful at a very delicate moment in relations with Iran.”
in other words – “we’re a bunch of wimps , scared of the Mullahs in Tehran”.
Was Israel going around saying that it was a “delicate” moment and that they had be “careful” when the Hezbollah lot kidnapped their soldiers?
“Europe should make clear where it stood, she said, but also hold the door open to negotiations on Tehran’s controversial nuclear programme.”
hold the door open? wtf? Iran’s just slammed it in your face you blitering f**king idiot.
EU , like the UN – complete waste of time. The Mullahs are laughing.
“Wow! I’m impressed. The EU is great after all. I’ve suddenly become a Europhile.”
Steady on – its only words.
JUST FOR RIGHTOFCENTRE.
Although I never held any grudge against the police at the time, not actually coming into contact with them, can I ask if you felt you were being used for political reasons, or just purely public order?.
rightofcentre | 30.03.07 – 4:08 pm |
Sorry been out otherwise I’d have responded sooner and what follows is not meant as a pop at you but just my feelings and recollections. Yes it was very much politically motivated, but there were genuine public order issues. I was ex-forces and had spent seven years working in the Middle & Far East when, you may find this hard to believe, I was so sick of the lunatic lefties that were destroying Britain that I left a well paid job to come home to whatever I could to stop what was happening, so I joined the police.
I was very politically orientated myself and when Callahan was bundled out I was ecstatic. I firmly believed that the unions had to brought under control. Remember Saltley Coke Depot and how the police had to walk away because they were totally outnumbered.
The going of Joe Gormley was a Godsend to the Conservatives. Scargill was nowhere near as astute and he was manipulated into a situation which he could never win. In the first week when we went up to Thorsby pit we passed the Ratcliffe on Sour power station and we knew when we saw the stockpiles of fuel that we were going to win.
By nature the police tend to be very conservative, however that didn’t stop us feeling sympathetic to the ordinary miner. In some places we used to give them our snap bags. In other places it was very confrontational and hostile. Some things stick very vividly in my mind.
I remember the old boys at Manton Colliery who were petrified because the ‘Barnsley Boot Boys’ had been down and given them a right kicking. I went down Bevercotes mine courtesy of the Notts miners. I remember being at Welbeck when the Welsh pickets turned up (we always tried to engage with the pickets as it saved so much agro). We were chatting with these guys about everything under the sun and Neil Kinnock was trying so hard to be incognito by pulling his parka hood over his head. (Plausible denial even then)
I remember a Welsh miner at 2 in the morning screaming time and again at the coal lorry drivers “And who’s your missus sleeping with tonight.” At the umpteenth time he suddenly added, “Come to think of it who’s my missus sleeping with.”
I remember the escarpment at Cortonwood where we lifted the Hessian back to find the pits that had been dug with shards of glass sticking up (a la Vietcong).
Some of the fights we relished. We went head to head with the boot boys at Kiverton Park and then later at Armthorpe. At Armthorpe some of the younger miners were discussing the scholarships they were going to at Moscow University. When it kicked off they got it really badly. Lastly, notwithstanding the diesel spilt all over the roads, the burning barricades, the petrol bombs and the ambushes where they used industrial bolt guns to fire through the sides of the Transit vans I remember Goldthorpe. We’d been drafted in to cover and relieve when it kicked off. I was lucky not to have been taken out by a flying vodka bottle. A South Yorks PSU held the line whilst we put on our riot gear with shields and were doing an orderly withdrawal under a hail of bricks when a police convoy, oblivious to what was happening, blundered into it from the other side of the village. The last van which just had a driver in it bringing all the shields was forced off the road. Our muppet leader was on the loud hailer telling us to pull back when we saw the driver, who was about 250 yards away, being dragged out and virtually lynched. For all of us the red mist appeared. I can remember running down the road to get to this guy before they killed him. I used my truncheon to smash anything in the way. I remember an old granny who had been jeering us just a few moments before diving over a brick wall with a look of sheer terror on her face. I got one guy, one of the agitators, who’d tried to hurt me. I remember seeing him on the way back with blood pouring out from his head where I’d hit him. Just before it really got bad one of the pickets shouted at me “Are you proud of what you’re doing?” I shouted back “No. Are You”?
Of course I could go on about what the BBC did at Brookhouse in connivance with the ‘Sheffield Police Watch’ but I won’t.
Sorry – boring to most but rightofcentre and I have our own perspectives of what happened.
“pounce:
Just for the record, If i went out of the way in which to smash in the teeth of a few BBC reporters. Would you guys chip in for my court case.
(Mind you if i am going to go to Jail I’ll ensure its BLOODY worth my while)
pounce | 30.03.07 – 6:42 pm | # ”
Pounce old chum (and fellow ex-squaddie),I would willingly donate the sum of £131.50, which I have saved for blog donations in lieu of the TV tithe>
I was being sarcastic, Jon! The EU is a waste of space and this is another example.
“I was being sarcastic, Jon!”
So was I.
“France and other big European countries, including Germany and Italy, have important economic interests in Iran and would be reluctant to heed such calls, our reporter says.”
So, this is the same EU that wants to have a ‘common defence policy’?
Hmmm…
The EU bureaucrats have successfully defeated (muslim) terrorism – by banning the words “jihad”, “Islamic” or “fundamentalist”:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24953_EU_Solves_Terrorism_Problem&only
Expect them to ban the words “war”, “aggression” and “reaction” – that’s the common defence policy, my friend!
In pictures: Class of one, School run
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/in_pictures_class_of_one/html/1.stm
I believe the question Al Beeb / IBC are trying to pose is “What the heck was the Falklands war all about?”
“I believe the question Al Beeb / IBC are trying to pose is “What the heck was the Falklands war all about?”
disillusioned_german | 30.03.07 – 8:51 pm | # ”
Yes – I saw that and came to the same conclusion.
Here’s another one of those Gordon Brown puff-pieces that pops up every now and again:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6512321.stm
“Brown shows off his stamina
James Landale
BBC News, Afghanistan
Much has been written about the differences between the chancellor and the prime minister. The one thing that unites them is stamina.
Having chased Tony Blair around the world for many years now, I know how long his batteries last, and it’s normally longer than those of anyone else on the trip.
But today the chancellor had equal energy.”
It ends with:
“Is it true that there are not enough helicopters in Afghanistan? Yes, of course, and the proof is in two parts.
First, the chancellor today announced he would spend £230m buying 14 new choppers, news that prompted smiles everywhere on our trip today.”
It’s a tie-in with this news report, which is about the same incident (and plugs James Landale’s article):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6509327.stm
I note that James Landale wrote a similar piece back in April 2006, about Gordon Brown’s trip to Africa:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4897158.stm
It starts with the wonderful line:
“To watch Gordon Brown on tour is to watch a man unleashed.”
The gist of the story is that although Brown may appear outwardly stiff and unnatural, he is in fact a dynamic ideas man with a heart of gold.
In the second link, the thing that struck me most was this bit:
“”Did you know”, he asks me on the plane down to Mozambique, “that it costs £5,000 to educate a child in the UK but only £57 in Africa?”
Did I know too that if the world is to achieve its aim of access to education for all children by 2015, it is going to need 15 million new teachers? “The biggest teacher training programme in history.”
To the sceptics, he says, this is all perfectly achievable – “not something for dreamers or idealists”.
He also does something politicians rarely do in public – and that is to play with ideas. What happens, we ask, if an African country goes pear shaped and collapses into civil war? What then can be done to educate children?
The chancellor replies thus: “Agencies like Medecins Sans Frontieres and the Red Cross operate in these countries in such circumstances. Why not set up similar agencies for education?””
Real people do not talk to each like this when they are having a conversation. It reads like a scripted press release that is being presented as a series of informal, off-the-cuff remarks, thus implying that ideas drip from Gordon Brown like sweat from a rampant horse.
Horse, stamina, I’m sorry. I have the wrong vision of Gordon Brown in my head. I apologise.
“in pictures: Class of one, School run”
i can imagine many middle class parents looking at that in envy.
most people in this country would sell their grandmother to have a teacher-pupil ratio at that level!
still, you have to be a hardy and determined soul to live a life as isolated as that.
as a gesture to the Iranians for the release of our troops, could we not donate uninhabited South Georgia Island to them, and tell them that we’re now declaring it to be “palestine” and that all the Islamocrazies can go relocate there?
pounce:
Just for the record, If i went out of the way in which to smash in the teeth of a few BBC reporters. Would you guys chip in for my court case.
(Mind you if i am going to go to Jail I’ll ensure its BLOODY worth my while)
Nothing personal, Pounce but just for the record, no I wouldn’t. It would only turn media coverage away from the British sailors and towards the faux issue of violence at demonstrations.
“Horse, stamina, I’m sorry. I have the wrong vision of Gordon Brown in my head. I apologise.
Ashley Pomeroy | 30.03.07 – 9:58 pm |”
yeah. Gordo likes to rock around a bit.
I noticed that Tescos has a nice selection of pampers.
*cough*
and who is James Landale?
your point about press releases being written up as off-the-cuff is well spotted. there’s a scandal in there somewhere, that’ll catch out IBC and Brownstuff…
(in case anyone else is just joining this thread and dont know what “IBC” is – we’ve moved from Al-BBC to IBC – the Iranian Broadcasting Corporation)
anybody catch Andrew Neil on the Steve Wright show this afternoon (beeb 2).
it was somewhat surreal, in that , Neil made a good case against Iran, and supporting our troops out there, and all the usual stuff. a “good egg” , as you English say.
but then in the same breath he said he was off to do business in Dubai this evening.
thats rather like saying,
“hey, the Soviets are really bad, but these Warsaw Pact East Germans are ok”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai
“Article 7 of the UAE’s Provisional Constitution declares Islam the official state religion of the Union. The Government funds or subsidizes almost 95 percent of Sunni mosques and employs all Sunni imams”
“The government distributes guidance on religious sermons to mosques and imams, whether Sunni or Shi’a, and monitors all sermons for political content.”
however , to be fair there is also :
“Non-Muslim groups can own their own houses of worship, wherein they can practice their religion freely, by requesting a land grant and permission to build a compound.
For instance, Dubai granted legal status to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1993. Dubai is also the only emirate that has Hindu temples and a Sikh Gurdwara.”
however, thats just nice window dressing.
“Non-Muslim religious groups are permitted to openly advertise group functions, however, proselytizing or distributing religious literature is strictly prohibited under penalty of criminal prosecution, imprisonment, and deportation for engaging in behavior offensive to Islam.”
thats nice “liberal” Dubai for you.
and if you dig further, you enter the underbelly of your usual Islamic dictatorship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates
“Migrants, particularly migrant workers, make up a majority (approximately 80%) of the resident population of the UAE, and account for 90% of its workforce”
“Others report that their salary has been withheld to pay back loans, making them little more than indentured servants” –
i.e. “slaves”
background info on the ruler of Dubai:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Rashid_Al_Maktoum
Bryan,
You say Fatima Harrison is already there.
I am afraid I have seen no evidence of this.
She seems to have disappeared longer than Al An Johnston.
Perhaps we should send out a search party.
No, on second thoughts…
Beautiful piece of unconscious irony from brian hanrahan on beeb 10 news, looking back on the Falklands War.
hanrahan said that the MOD had been holding back his contemporary news reports but then decided to release them in order to convince the argies that the British Campaign was in bad shape!
He still doesn’t get it.
may i add – Neil said that “islamic fundementalism” was a big threat. or something on those lines… so my ears pricked up. then i heard the dubai reference and i went “wtf?”
“He still doesn’t get it.
gordon-bennett | 30.03.07 – 10:41 pm ”
ha ha. made me laugh. but something tells me that that kind of manipulation just isnt happening in modern times.
to be honest , i think the decision makers were made of sterner stuff (cold war) back then….
not a single person in the Nu Labour higher echelons has served in the armed forces.
and Iran knows that.
hmmm.. since Andrew Neil sees nothing wrong with visting Dubai, i checked out Dubai’s tourism site, and found this:
http://www.dubaitourism.ae/Travel/default.asp?SubCatID=43
Nationals of “Israel” may not enter the U.A.E.
not the scare quotes. seems to say to me that they dont recognise Israels right to exist.
so , yeah. yet another Arab state that doesnt like the Joooooos.
so there you go Mr Neil. how you sleep at night after doing business deals with anti-semitic Jew haters in Islamic Dubai and then sleep soundly in your bed, is beyond me. That’ll obviously be a question between yourself and God, and God will be asking questions about that when you drift off this mortal coil.
so there you go folks. the one person who all thought was a “good egg” on the BBC, turns out to be just as anti-Israel (or maybe, just turn a blind eye to it) as the rest of the moonbats.
sorry for rambling on, but my main point about Mr Neil is that he is one of the TOP commentators on the BBC. and also has extensive business interests, which seem to contradict those comments of his.
and yet, the BBC sneer endlessly at Cheney and Haliburton – yet the *same thing* is happening in their own backyard.
see the point i’m making?
typo time:
“not the scare quotes” should be
“note the square quotes”
and
“the one person who all thought”
should be
“the one person who we all thought”
You’re on fire, Archduke. Now for something complety different: For those of you who haven’t seen it… Presidential advisor Karl Rove rapping it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcuVlCuX9Y
Al Beeb’s ‘Newsnight’ tonight was, if anything, even more dhimmi than last night’s edition on the Islamic Republic of Iran. Ms. Wark is exceptionally ignorant of Islamic jihad. She gave plenty of uninterrupted air-time to an Iran, ex-regime representative, to say that the UK should give Iran ‘a way out’.
I hope not all the British people are as complacent about the political situation as Al Beeb. Hardly anyone on this site has mentioned their support for tomorrow’s demonstration
at the Islamic Republic of Iran Embassy, Kensington, 3 pm.
” Alan | 30.03.07 – 11:26 pm”
i wont be attending.
primarily because a demonstration is
exactly what the Iranians want – the oxygen of publicity. it keeps the story in the headlines – exactly what they need.
get rid of that publicity and they’ll release the troops.
but , the more angry we appear , like in a public demo, the more they will poke us and the longer they will hold the soldiers captive.
that is why i am not attending.
the best thing we could do right now – and for EVERY news outlet in Britain to do, is to do a total news blackout on the story.
do not give them ANY publicity.
the demo is well intentioned, but misguided strategically.
of course – may i add – the MOD should keep the families of the soldiers FULLY informed on developments. i dont want a news blackout to extend to them, and to forces families. MOD newsletters on developments are ok.
but a self volunteered news blackout by the major papers would be a start. no publicity is actually a weapon against Iran.
lets start using it.
therefore – in solidarity with the Army Rumours forum , who have inforced a “no publicity” thread on there (and they are forces guys so they know what they are talking about) – i propose that we have a “no publicity” policy on B-BBC.
it’ll be hard to do – i know it will. but what I will do , is monitor BBC news output privately and publish the results on here once the crisis is over and the troops released.
as IngSoc said in a previous thread “careless talk costs lives”. well , in this case, “careless talk gives our enemies lots of propaganda”
you might all disagree with me – but from now on, until the soldiers are released, i am self volunteering to not comment AT ALL on the crisis.
over and out. i’m back to picking holes in BBC output elsewhere.
note how iain dale – one of the “big name” conservative bloggers has not a single post on the iranian crisis…
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/
devil’s kitchen also has NO POSTS on the crisis
http://devilskitchen.me.uk/
both of those bloggers are political junkies. they know whats going on – they arent stupid.
but , they are, in my view, deliberately deciding NOT to give the Iranians publicity.
Archduke.
I disagree.
The conflict between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the UK is not merely a ‘war of words’.
As you know, the Republican Guard has taken illegal, aggessive action against UK citizens and holds them prisoner.It did not merely use words.
I am suprised that in the age of the internet, you think we can impose a news black-out; but I agree that the UK media (including Al Beeb) should not reproduce any propaganda coming out of Iran (and UK could ask our allies to do the same).
We have to constantly be aware not to play the dhimmi with Islamic regimes, or even appear to play the dhimmi. Historical experience with Islamic imperialism does not indicate that anything that smacks of quietude, concessions, apology, or appeasement will be successful, as you know.
The mass of the British people appear to be unrepresented on this issue. I fail to see how public expressions of support for the British 15, and public criticism of the criminal Iranian regime can do anything but political good. The publicity will against Ahmadinejihad, which is surely necessary.Otherwise we are politically reactive, not proactive in the matter.
Archduke and Alan.
I’m not so sure Archduke-seeing as they the nightly Blue Peter effort Iranian TV seem to be beaming to SOUTHERN IRAQ perplexing our very own spin masters down IBC, perhaps if the great and the good do make a fuss outside the Embassy.
With a f*ck of Brass Band playing Nimrod, Men of Harlec,Jeruselem,the FIVE ANTHEMS representing each nation in our fighting forces. Ordinary folk not with placards and slogans but with the quite decency of John Bull and Friends.
All the power of the Diana days….but much stronger.
No violence-just a pride of being “British” for a day.
Totally spontaneous……just simple word of mouth.
And I would say at 3:00pm across the country….silence.
It’s a hell of a task, but even 10 e-mails each to the right people from each-could make the difference?
You need a contact address of Jo Gibbons for a starter.
http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page12.asp
Tory High Command, Lib Dem HQ -Sun Mirror, Star, DM, DE, Times and Telegraph.
It’s an awful lot to ask….….and dangerous but…….
“alan | 31.03.07 – 12:14 am”
publicity is all they are after.
you are free to disagree. i respect that that is what freedom is all about- but i will no longer comment until they are released. starve the oxygen of publicity .
May I suggest an anti-Al Beeb demo?
“I am suprised that in the age of the internet, you think we can impose a news black-out;”
its more of a collective british stand. sure , yeah, i know that “NEWS” will get through – but its more about the principle of the idea. the idea being, “dont give the iranians a platform”.
and we can all do our little bit – my persnal bit is that my comments on iran will not be posted after tonight. i am effectively doing my own little media blackout.
Fair play Archduke.
I perfectly understand your reasoning.
There is a lot going on, but what I think the public needs most of all is the “big three” from Westminster showing some courage and leadership, because the information and propaganda war is being lost at this very moment.
From siting in Holland I can imagine a lot of people feeling the- angry.
But we are not even getting a blip here on local news-nothing at all to get the pulse racing because IRB dosn’t want any trouble.
All the news agencies regardless where they are from gets its “news” from the IRB regarding the UK (some ITN as well).So if IRB don’t cover it we don’t get it.
I sometimes wonder tho ‘if Iain Dale and Guildo (who is hiding now) arn’t mearly sipping from the same poisoned trough as “the others”.
And as every good Soviet knows from the early days of the internet and Comrade Birt-“fifth column” sites are quite frequent.
What the IBC HAVE done to the “political bloggers” is used them then spun them at there own game. Poor ol’ Guildo got sucked in big time (I think Baggie and I were warning of the dangers of blowback and going after TB).
Guildo was hammered quite frankly because the deck was always stacked against him. And now IBC is rejoicing over it’s victory:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/
They could be dangerous with there contacts-but they are weapons that are not being used in the right way.
Archduke-Remember-there can be no light without darkness, so the ‘voices’ provide cover for what ever the ‘friends’ need to do. Apart from the IBC inept stupidity of been outplayed from Blue Peter, other pieces are fitting into place.
BTW-And I think we are next in line for a good old kicking from the SMERSH agents in the next few weeks because they will be running back telling the masters about all the naughty things we’ve said…….