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Archduke.
The publicity of today’s demo at the Islamic Republic of Iran Embassy will be NEGATIVE publicity against the AhmadineJIHAD regime. It will show that the British people are politically alive and kicking, and not dhimmis.
You say, unequivocally, (11-43pm):
“get rid of the publicity and they’ll release the troops.”
This implies:
1.) that the UK does as Iran demands;
2.)that you trust the word of the leaders of the criminal Islamic Republic of Iran;
3.)we (the UK victim of Iranian crime) give Iran a way of out the gross injustice and suffering IT is causing UK people.
I disagree.
I’m quite amazed the BBC should even be asking this question.
Should Mugabe run for another term in 2008?
(in case anyone else is just joining this thread and dont know what “IBC” is – we’ve moved from Al-BBC to IBC – the Iranian Broadcasting Corporation)
archduke | 30.03.07 – 10:17 pm |
oh? silly me – there i was thinking it was ‘i’ as in ‘islamic’
can we have a 2-for-1?
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I’m with archduke on the Iran 15 matter, makes sense to me and I don’t think the demo will help either.
On another matter not reported by the IBC anywhere that I could detect –
That steaming pile of doggie doo doo, the (revamped) UNHRC has today come up with another resolution – “U.N. rights body condemns “defamation” of religion”- Islam is the only one specifically named (check out the list of supporting countries, all paragons of freedom & democracy )-
“GENEVA (Reuters) – The United Nations top human rights body condemned “defamation” of religion on Friday and, in an apparent reference to the storm over the Prophet cartoons, said press freedom had its limits.
With the support of China, Russia and Cuba, Moslem and Arab states comfortably won a vote on the 47-state Human Rights Council to express concern at “negative stereotyping” of religions and “attempts to identify Islam with terrorism.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070330/wl_nm/religion_rights_islam_dc_1
So now telling the truth will be a ‘crime’, Uh?
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DennisTheMenace | 31.03.07 – 1:45 am
Of course Islam has nothing to do with terrorism!
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
http://www.prophetmohammed.co.uk/
Okay, this is not a current story, but once again it provides ammunition for those of us who think al-Beeb covers up any stuff that reflects poorly on Islam:
The BBC’s timeline for the Ayodhya crisis and the destruction of the Babri mosque…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1844930.stm
…Starts in 1528: A mosque is built on the site which some Hindus say marks the spot where one of the most revered deities in Hinduism, Lord Rama, was born.
Hmm, “the site”? So, built on a green field location perhaps was it?
Well, not exactly. The mosque builders destroyed an existing temple at the site, which Hindus believe was the temple built to commemorate the birthplace of Rama. Oh, sorry…I should have worded it “some Hindus” as per the BBC.
Yep, they (Muslims) marched into the place and in the spirit of reaching out and reconciliation — NOT — they tore down a building guaranteed to cause offence to practioners of a rival religion.
That the 1528 Muslim mosque builders were bullying, provocative thugs just doesn’t get a mention.
Iran sees this as a WIN-WIN issue.
:(If Britain makes concessions such as an apology, Islam wins.
:(If Britain turns this over to the UN or the EU and the matter takes months to resolve, Islam wins.
:(If Britain splutters but essentially does nothing, Islam wins.
:(If Britain enforces a blockade with the tacit support of America, Iran takes a leaf from Saddam’s books and shows the suffering Irani people to the world, Islam wins.
:(If Britain attempts a Carteresque commando rescue and fails, Islam wins big.
:(If Britain goes to war, Islam wins enormously.
:(If Britain wins. The the rest of the Arab world rises up and the Blair government falls (not unlikely, anyway). Islam wins.
If I was anywhere near London I would attend the demonstration. I hope a million people attend with me in solidarity with Britain, the West and just about every human development I have ever supported. I hope the Danish cartoons are displayed on every pole. Islam knows it is at War. It’s about time ‘we’ let it know that we know.
also sprach archpuke:
“…i am effectively doing my own little media blackout.”
Well glory, hallelujah! Seriously doubt you ever did anything ‘effectively’ in your whole life, except perhaps run. Also, you are irish and not invited.
Time for a drink and to reflect on the need to get a life — like so many ‘men of principle.’ Who the hell do you think you are kidding?
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Another day, another chance for Iran to heap on the humiliation:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=445597&in_page_id=1811
TPO:
I apologise if you feel I was having a go at you, that is not what I intended. In fact a couple of years after the strike I applied to join the police myself. (didn`t get in).
It was more a general question of attitudes at the time.
I know that in Yorkshire the police were viewed by the miners as “Maggies Storm Troopers”, and I don`t think Police/Mining community relations ever really recovered.
Then again, alot of people on the picket lines/brawling with the police weren`t even miners, and as I said, I wasn`t amongst them.
Anyway thanks for the reply.
Al Beeb’s James Naughtie, on ‘Today’ this morning continued
propaganda for the Islamic Republic of Iran. Richard Perl of the US, was deliberately labelled as a ‘neoconservative’, whereas the Iran speaker was not introduced as a supporter of The Islamic Republic of Iran, which is what he clearly was in every word of this blatantly ant-British, Al-Beeb sponsored propaganda. Al Beeb outdoes Al Jazeera in its pro-Islamic stance, although Al Beeb does not understand the Islamic jihad that is being practiced against it. Al Beeb plays the dhimmi: but it does not know what it means.
Who will stand up to the criminal Islamic Republic of Iran? Not Al Beeb. No wonder, grassroots opposition is starting with demo at Islamic Republic of Iran Embassy in London today at 3 pm.
Alan,
I saw a report from a BBC hack in Plymouth who interviewed person after person who suggested things like sending in the SAS, then one who said we should talk to the Iranians first. ‘There are mixed opinions here’ the ‘reporter’ said.
Alan – 11:26 pm
“Al Beeb’s ‘Newsnight’ tonight was, if anything, even more dhimmi than last night’s edition on the Islamic Republic of Iran. Ms. Wark is exceptionally ignorant of Islamic jihad. She gave plenty of uninterrupted air-time to an Iran, ex-regime representative, to say that the UK should give Iran ‘a way out’.”
Alan, I saw the same chap, but got a different impression.
I thought this chap was highly critical of the Iranian regime, and more importantly, insightful about the larger picture of what is behind the kidnapping. Most of the punditry on the IBC, Sky, papers et al has focused on the nuclear negotiations, or has attempted to drag the five Iranian spies arrested by the US into the equation. Suggesting that the siege is a tit-for-tat for one of these things. This may well be true. However, the chap interviewed on Newsnight (apologies I can’t remember his name) emphasised that the kidnapping is a desperate PR stunt for the benefit of two parties: one, a desperate attempt to bolster support amongst a specific radical constituency within Iran; and two — MUCH more significantly — as a direct appeal to the external Arab world.
I thought his comment that these broadcasts were shown FIRST to the Arab external media, before they were shown to internal Iranian media, was very telling. It seems to me that this, and the Lebanon war last year, are a direct challenge for the leadership of the Moslem world. Sunni versus Shia. Saudi & co versus Iran.
Those of us who are only too aware of the Jihad against the West, often forget that Muslims are fighting another war. A war against each other for the control of the potential Islamic Empire.
In my mind, this is one of their main points of weakness.
(in case anyone else is just joining this thread and dont know what “IBC” is – we’ve moved from Al-BBC to IBC – the Iranian Broadcasting Corporation)
archduke | 30.03.07 – 10:17 pm
To me, it has become the Islamic Broadcasting Corporation.
“I saw a report from a BBC hack in Plymouth who interviewed person after person who suggested things like sending in the SAS, then one who said we should talk to the Iranians first. ‘There are mixed opinions here’ the ‘reporter’ said.
Ralph | Homepage | 31.03.07 – 9:34 am | #”
Please remember the BBC is not a democratic organisation – and that the views of one BBC reporter are worth the views of fifty informed members of the public.
Remember that when they offer ‘balanced reporting’.
The BBC thumb-on-the-scales again.
“Those of us who are only too aware of the Jihad against the West, often forget that Muslims are fighting another war. A war against each other for the control of the potential Islamic Empire.
In my mind, this is one of their main points of weakness.
Stuck-record | 31.03.07 – 9:45 am | #
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And the Third Reich believed that tensions between the US/UK and the Soviet Union would save Germany.
She seems to have disappeared longer than Al An Johnston.
BaggieJonathan | 30.03.07 – 10:40 pm
Johnston’s father Graham probably thinks of himself as abu Al An.
paulc | 31.03.07 – 9:51 am
Fair point.
But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
One of the great Jihadi lies — repeated by the media over and over again — is that all Muslims are one united global brotherhood.
The evidence of the war, kidnapping, mutilation, slaughtering, murdering and suicide-bombing (of each other) says otherwise.
We should try very hard to divide and conquer.
“Al Beeb’s James Naughtie, on ‘Today’ this morning continued
propaganda for the Islamic Republic of Iran. Richard Perl of the US, was deliberately labelled as a ‘neoconservative’, whereas the Iran speaker was not introduced as a supporter of The Islamic Republic of Iran, which is what he clearly was in every word of this blatantly ant-British, Al-Beeb sponsored propaganda.”
Alan – this is absolutely true (and my God didn’t they put warning lights around Richard Perle – a neocon, a hawk – it was like a packet of fags with a label saying he might damage your health – Neocons can kill). BUT the Iranian guy talked such derisory bollox and Perle spoke so sensibly I think it ended up being 3-0 to Perle – almost an advert for the neocons.
Biodegradable – Fright of return
Very good! And can you imagine the new Palestinian state – we’d be flooded with applications for asylum within days of it being set up.
Re: Jon Snow interviewing John Bolton.
I’ve searched and found the link to the video on C4’s website. Somehow it’s unavailable. And it’s the only one that’s unavailable.
Weird.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/iran+says+it+wont+release+britons/350347
rightofcentre | 31.03.07 – 8:43 am |
Absolutely no apology necessary and I certainly didn’t think you were having a go.
You are right about the external agitators, particularly the SWP and the usual coterie of stupid students. However there were a hard core of miners from the Barnsley and Doncaster areas plus the Kent fields that were there for the aggro.
At Brookhouse towards the end of the strike we were trying to lower the tensions. We stood there in normal uniform. The assembled mob in front of us started hurling potatoes with razor blades in them, sharpened coins and the usual stones. We were caught off guard and had to respond immediately with baton charges. It was at that point that ‘Sheffield Police Watch’ in conjunction with the BBC switched on the TV cameras and lights to record what we were doing.
I didn’t see what was broadcast on the BBC but a friend saw it and also saw me. He commented about to me about it later and thought I was being a thug. When I explained what had actually happened he couldn’t believe that the BBC would manipulate the news in such a way.
BTW the wife’s step-father-in-law is ex-forces, ex-miner and ex-police and he still frothes at the mouth when he sees Maggie.
Off now to a soft-play area with little one, but has anyone caught this morning’s BBC spin on Gordon’s pension raid.
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I wonder why the IBC is not reporting this, hugging itself with glee ?
Evil Americans, Poor Mullahs
By Claus Christian Malzahn – Der Speigel Online
Forty-eight percent of Germans think the United States is more dangerous than Iran, a new survey shows, with only 31 percent believing the opposite.
Oh !! Maybe not as the article goes on to explore some real home truths.
Read it all here –
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,474636,00.html
In my opionion the US should close all its bases in the ex-3rd Reich, pull out completely and next time (probably soon) let their sorry asses fry.
(btw – I’m 1/2 German/Austrian so I confess to some bias)
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DennisTheMenace | 31.03.07 – 10:58 am
http://www.spiegel.de/internatio…,474636,00.html
Wow! Fantastic article.
Thanks.
Stuck-record (9:45am)
I disagree with your generous interpretation of the Iranian speaker on Al Beeb’s ‘Newsnight’ last night.
He did not criticise the Islamic Republic of Iran, nor Ahmadinejad at all. His emphasis was that the UK government had used words too harshly in its criticism of Iran, and that this was poor diplomacy.
There is a danger that we armchair bloggers lose sight of the essentials here (as Al Beeb blatantly does):
1.)There is not a mere ‘war of words’;
Iran has captured 15 British citizens and is holding them prisoner.
2.)The Islamic Republic of Iran regime is criminal and jihadist, and cannot be trusted, certainly not with nuclear weapons.
3.)To ‘play the dhimmi’ is the sign of weakness which AhmadineJIHAD welcomes. It is what we get from Al Beeb all the time.
4.)The propaganda which Al Beeb gives to Iranian apologists is designed to weaken the resolve of British people; it is not reciprocated on Iranian state media, with British opponents of the regime being given lavish airtime to voice uncensored criticism of Iranian criminality. No, it’s a ‘one-way street’ of propaganda. Al Beeb is playing the dhimmi, at our expense, in every sense.
For anyone still unclear about dhimmitude, see:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch
3.)
And so it begins.
Enter the real villain:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6512927.stm
Morning.
Paulc and others have pressed some interesting buttons this morning:
“Those of us who are only too aware of the Jihad against the West, often forget that Muslims are fighting another war. A war against each other for the control of the potential Islamic Empire.
Right on the money there!!
Have a peek at Anthony Cordesman CSIS reports on the “war within the war”:
Click to access 120614_iraq_update.pdf
http://www.csis.org/index.php?option=com_csis_pubs&task=archive&curyear=2006&type=1&sort=datedesc&filter=title&keyword=iraq
Out of all of IBC “mistakes” on it reporting, this is the biggest mis-reported item of them all. Ask yourself
-Why are the Iranians applying so much pressure on the UK?
-Why are the Sunni’s “talking to Israel”
Now turning to Charities comments:
“Well glory, hallelujah! Seriously doubt you ever did anything ‘effectively’ in your whole life, except perhaps run. Also, you are Irish and not invited”
Hmm……
Prey tell us Charity, would that also include members of 1 Royal Irish also not being “invited”?
Because the way I see it this morning, the only people that are putting together any serious attempts at rallying support are taking place outside the UK, because at the moment Blighty couldn’t even put together a Lego Set on it’s own.
Now I wonder why?
“Time for a drink and to reflect on the need to get a life — like so many ‘men of principle.’ Who the hell do you think you are kidding?”
Of course Charity the “men of principle” that are so common in the UK that have spent four years mud slinging over details like “45 minute claims” while good old Tommy is taking a battering in Basra…. Oh yes true “men of principle” who now bleat that “something” should be done.
Well perhaps paying attention (which Archduke has been doing) might help
http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
http://www.tkb.org/MapModule.jsp
Secondly Archduke is taking the principle stand regarding of not commenting because MOIS trollers and “fellow travellers” are providing feedback to Tehran-unless of course you’ve not noticed.
Finally, I’ve made sure my subscription to IBC has stopped AND that my credit card this morning is being put to good use so you have enough pennies for demo’s and the lads in the Gulf…
“has anyone caught this morning’s BBC spin on Gordon’s pension raid.”
TPO – yes – more desperate measures from the Brown Corporation to save their favourite. Ed Balls line seemed to be ‘it was all the civil servant’s fault’ followed by ‘it was all the Tory’s fault’. Headline on IBC website – ‘Treasury rejects attack on Brown’
“The Treasury has dismissed as “abject nonsense” claims that Gordon Brown ignored warnings about his first Budget creating a £75bn gap in pension funds.”
So no bias there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6512999.stm
btw – precise text of Naughtie intro on Iran hostage discussion:
Iranian guy was introduced as “Former Iranian ambassador to the United Nations now an academic in Iraq just outside Tehran – oh did I say Iraq I meant Iran. Keywords – ambassador (good) United Nations (good) academic (good) – complete with Freudian error about Iraq.
Richard Perle intro: “the prominent American hawk whose views are similar to the neo conservatives inside the Bush administration. Keywords – American (bad) hawk (bad) neo conservatives (evil) Bush administration (evil). So Perle is not a prominent political adviser he’s just a “prominent hawk”.
Max – disappearance of excellent Bolton interview on C4 – Probably someone deemed it “inappropriate” in this land of free speech.
The 1st Royal Irish Regiment are one of four great Irish regiments in the British Army. They are mostly recruited in Ulster, or in the Irish diaspora in the U.K. The majority are Protestant. Some soldiers are indeed also recruited from the Republic, and are very welcome.
Not so the Irish Republic itself, which is an alien state and a sanctuary for terrorists.
Alan.
“There is a danger that we armchair bloggers lose sight of the essentials here”
I warm to your comments more and more.:)
The last thing that B-BBC bloggers need is an attack of the Guildo’s or MediaLens’s…..
Max
Just goes to show how much this has to do with “tresspassing” as reported by IBC….
Strongbow-Steady on there-this is 2007 and not 1927.
http://www.army.mod.uk/irishguards/history/index.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200203/ldhansrd/vo030307/text/30307w01.htm
I think that the 35 Republic of Irishmen + 155 (half of which are Catholic) N.Irishmen comes nowhere close to the 480 “mainlanders” that join.
I think the history and culture of the Irish Guards has always been one of “all Ireland” rather than “sectarian”. Many of the finest of the “Fighting Micks” come from the Republic as this little snippet says:
“The Irish Guards were formed on 1st April 1900 by order of HM Queen Victoria to commemorate the bravery of the Irish people who fought in the Boer war.
On 21st April 1900, the first recruit, James O’Brien of Limerick, was enlisted and many followed as a free transfer was offered to all Irishmen serving not only in the Guards Brigade but also from the Line Regiments.”
I think you are confusing it with N.Ireland’s own regiment the UDR-which was a mainly Protestant regiment which is now dispanded.
http://www.theudr.co.uk/
The BBC are heavily spinning ‘Earth Hour’ in Australia where the claim ‘by and large Sydney had never been this dark’ [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6509437.stm].
Annoyingly for them we can access webcams:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficreports/innersydcameras/anzacbr.html
http://www.sydney-webcam.com/index.php?nav=cam2
that show they are telling porkies.
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Iran believes we will not act. They are banking with some confidence on appeasement by the West. And history tells us what horror awaits those who believe you can appease tyranny.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=498
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” IiD-Supporting the troops | 31.03.07 – 11:58 am |”
indeed. one of the early British army casualties in Iraq was a Dublin lad.
it was the first time in 70 years that serving British army soldiers were allowed on Irish soil – he got the full British military send off IN DUBLIN…
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max | 31.03.07 – 11:07 am |
That’s only the start, it’ll be those filthy Joooo’s next. Just wait and see, The IBC have probably got a large team of researchers working feverishly on the matter to generate the necessary spin, half-assed innuendo and ‘war crimes’ Bowen-speak.
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“Not so the Irish Republic itself, which is an alien state and a sanctuary for terrorists.
strongbow | 31.03.07 – 11:28 am”
ignorant and pathetic.
go ask any Garda if they like the IRA
i think you’ll find that their feelings on the matter would be somewhat violent in tone.
Anonymous writes:
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Iran believes we will not act. ”
And why would they believe anything else?
Our state-owned broadcaster has issued nothing but a stream of appeasement since the incident happened, reinforced by the empty waffle of former diplomats and Leftist academics – both of which groups can be guaranteed to reinforce that line.
Meanwhile, I note that the children on The Now Show think this abduction is something to laugh about. I just managed to keep my radio out of the waste bin!
The mad mullah mindset.
I’ve just seen this on the ‘newly asked questions’ section of the website of Iran’s supreme leader Khamenei:
Religious Penalties and Chastisements – Kaffarah of Killing
Q: What kaffarah (fasting, giving alms, or anything else) should be observed by a person who unintentionally causes somebody to be killed through a car accident?
A: If causing is so that the act of killing could be attributed to him, then in addition to the blood money he should pay to the relatives of the killed person he has to observe the kaffarah which is to release a slave. If this is impossible, he should fast a two subsequent months and if he cannot do this as well, he should feed sixty needy persons.
http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php
If possible release a slave? Welcome to the Islamic Republic of Iran in the 21st century (a slightly different picture than that painted by the BBC’s Uncovering Iran season last year).
just overheard something on radio 4.
because there are a dispropornate number of black people in the mental health system, therefore there is “institutional racism”.
of course, the usage of cannibis was not mentioned.
This item healine news on Ceefax this am
US rejects Iran captives exchange
US officials have ruled out a deal to exchange 15 Royal Navy personnel captured in the Gulf for five Iranians seized by American forces in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6512927.stm
But there is no evidence that any link has (yet) been made by Iran. A fact that the article studiously avoids mentioning!
So what is the purpose of the story? Create the idea in the public’s mind that its them damn Yanks who are blocking the release of our people?
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“Gaddafi says only Islam a universal religion”
“Most people’s attention is rightly on the 15 British servicemen and women held in Iran. But meanwhile elsewhere in dar al Islam normal dawa continues. In this report from Reuters it is the turn of Colonel Gaddafi of Libya, no stranger to holding hostages, and protecting the murderers of an English policewoman. Today he has gone to Niger to preach. I thought he was a colonel, not a clergyman, but there is of course no separation of mosque and state in Islam”.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=6732
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What is going on regarding taking the case against the BBC jizya tax to the European Court of Human Rights? Surely there must be some rightly-inclined excellent lawyer out there who has the balls to actually start a case against the BBC? As soon as one case is won against the compulsory payment of the licence ‘fee’ there will be an avalanche of follow on cases as most people resent having to pay it. I can’t believe no-one has taken up the mantle of fighting them through the courts or am I misinformed? Someone please tell me that someone, somewhere is fighting the BBC monolith?
DennisTheMenace,
No doubt about it.
“marshall | 31.03.07 – 1:32 pm ”
there have been cases brought already. this thread discusses them:
http://www.tvlicensing.biz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=62
No corner of the world is too remote for the BBC when they can sniff an anti-US/Israel story.
News24 has a video report from Ethiopia where people claiming to be Jews have gathered awaiting transport to Israel.
It would seem that these people only adopted Judaism after Ethiopians with more legitimate claims were accepted by Israel. They have been encouraged to gather by aid agencies – are those agencies well-meaning or looking to embarrass Israel?
These people are depicted by the BBC as living in poor conditions (rural Ethiopian norm?), Israel is of course heartless.
Is it too late to add Marcus Brigstocke to the list? Anybody who heard The Now Show this week will understand.
any answers.radio 4 now.
iran will be pleased.
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Its a pity the IBC’s Mr. Johnston is off-line at the moment, I’m sure he would be reporting fulsomely on the following Palestinian human interest stories —— eeerr, then maybe not.
PA work accident watch – One killed in explosion at Hamas camp in Gaza
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070330/wl_nm/palestinians_explosion_dc
and !!
Jordan, PA arrest 2 Palestinians for selling Hebron house to Jews
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843839.html
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I’m more surprised that companies like SKY and ITV have not taken the BBC to court over unfair advantages.
I see the BBC Education site got shut down, as it was decided that it hurt commercial sector too much…..
So with this tax funded moster attacking ITV every Saturday night, TRYING to destroy the ratings and hence income of a UK company…it’s just bloody madness.
The BBC is a piece of steaming shite…thats all there is to it, and millions of people are waking up to this truth every year.
Even people like Retih are losing the will to bullshit……they get cought out and embarassed every time……and it shows.
These people are depicted by the BBC as living in poor conditions (rural Ethiopian norm?), Israel is of course heartless.
will | 31.03.07 – 2:05 pm
Here are some real Ethiopians living, and celebrating life, in the heartless, apartheid State of Israel: