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Thanks for the link – it lead me to another anti-american, anti-business “interview” by Jeremy Paxmen on Climate Change. Notice how nice he is to the Met Office man and how rude and obnoxious to the American.
“Newsnight: CO2,they call it life,we call it a greenhouse gas”
“ismail ax”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003670889_shootax18.html?syndication=rss
http://www.technorati.com/search/ismail+ax
“ignoring the elephant”
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25171_Virginia_Tech_Killer-_Ignoring_the_Elephant&only
signed “from address” as “A. Ishmael”
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20070418VTKillerEnvelope01.jpg
elephant ignored:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6570241.stm
archduke:
Elephants? Perhaps Whales?
The killer, Cho Seung-Hui was majoring in English. “Call me Ishmael” is the first line of American classic Moby Dick by Herman Melville.
Call me Ishmael. Some years ago – never mind how long precisely – having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen, and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off – then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
Pity he didn’t rent a sailboat.
He was an ugly spud, no wonder the hot babe dumped him……..bullet in his own brain is the best thing for him……
Shame these cowards never feel the need to proove their Rambo qualities at a Marine base…….gutless little turd instead prroves his metal in a school, against young defencles people…….this little prick was an Honourary Muslim if ever I saw one……
…this little prick was an Honourary Muslim if ever I saw one…
Block 813 | 19.04.07 – 10:44 am
You are implying that all muslims are mass murderers.
Don’t talk bollocks.
I considered deleting Block 813’s comment for offensiveness but have decided to leave it visible given TheCuckoo’s admirable response.
Similar comments will be deleted in future, and the commenter banned if appropriate.
Blockhead 813 – congratulations on doing your best to discredit and devalue the efforts of all those who try with intelligence and reason to limit the spread of poltical islam with its inherent violence and oppression. Now they can simply point to comments like yours and say we are all morons.
In fact, are you sure you’re not posting that from somewhere in the White City region of London?
Get stuffed…the parallels are clear.
Video to Camera….
Attack on a school….
Suicide…..
Hell, he even sounded like one, monotone, and always blaiming others for “forcing” them to carry out actions they themselves are responsible for…..
I put him in the same catagory as other suicidal mass murderers…….
Maybe if you are so easily offended, you should’nt be on the interent.
Not to mention his “I’m going to die like Christ” comments, do tend to lend weight to my Religious Fanatic theory.
Block 813
What exactly do your comments have to do with the BBC being biased?
The guy was seriously disturbed and if he attached his psychosis to a particular faith it does not implicate that faith in his madness.
The ‘I’m going to die like Christ’ comments implicate him with Islamic terror??
blockhead, I’m not sensitive, I just think that a site dedicated to BBC bias does not benefit from comments which suggest that any nut with a gun who kills someone qualifies as an honorary muslim, rather than, say, an honorary Branch Davidian.
robbiekeane adequately illustrates why your analysis is nonsense. Some people will attach the name of Israel or the influence of Jews to any trouble in the world, though they clearly have nothing to do with it. We deride those people as malicious lunatics. To take a crazy guy who cites Christ in his suicide message and try to tack islam onto it because of some superficial ‘parallels’ is in precisely the same category. Let’s blame islamists for their islamist crimes, of which there are many, and not offer ammunition to people who would dismiss the work of this website as racist right-wing hatemongering.
I do agree with gharqad-tree, but some Muslims are only too happy to adopt Hui Cho.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25176_The_South_Korean_Shaikh_Abu_MusAb_Al-Virgini&only
AH HA!
It’s all falling into place.
The killers psychology is based on a passion for the real. You can see it in his rubbish plays. In one play he kills his imposter step-father and in real life he would denigrate his fellow students as rich kids and charlatans.
In other words he regards their authority as false and idolatrous.
Hence Ismail Ax.
href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T31cG-RJCZU”>This guy was perfectly right to cite Christ in his suicide, perfectly right to rage against the emptiness of his world and its people. Christ died fighting society yes? In a way.
When questioned by the exasperated Pilate Jesus says: “My kingdom is not of this world.”
The crowd shouts: Kill him!
And when on the cross he says “My God, why have you forsaken me?”
Is it not unreasonable to assume Jesus looked up to the sky when he said this? People sometimes call the sky and the stars ‘the heavens’. What if we replace the word God with ‘Nature’? Or perhaps ‘non-human’ reality? Perhaps we could call it existence.
So the killer is right to call himself Christ like. He wanted a real existence outside of the spurious and fradulent world of social reality. The reality of rich kids + charlatans + imposter fathers . But completely trapped (psychologically) and unable to see a way out he (always blaming others) chose a path of pure abolition. (The destruction of all others).
His spiritual conquest has misfired horribly. (I can’t stress this to much so please don’t see me as trying to justify his actions, anger and dissatisfaction can be preludes to creative action – or in this unfortunate case mass-murder.)
Oh and it will also do you no good to attribute his actions to militant islam; they’re way more complex than that.
That Moby Dick quote is also quite appropriate.
Oh poo! Cho was a sociapath pure and simple and I have no interest in analyzing his psychotic meanderings!
Roxana:
I agree – these people should be left to rot in Hell and forgoten.
Maybe that last post doesn’t sound right – I was reffering to psycopaths.
“Roxana:
Oh poo! Cho was a sociapath pure and simple and I have no interest in analyzing his psychotic meanderings!
Roxana | 19.04.07 – 8:18 pm | #
Jon:
Roxana:
I agree – these people should be left to rot in Hell and forgoten.
Jon | 19.04.07 – 8:53 pm | #
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He would have loved to hear that.
KING OF THE CHO’S
CROWN OF THORNS!!!
“Maybe that last post doesn’t sound right ”
Stop thrashing yourself with the PC whip of “caveat”.
Thousands of people “suffer” in this world, and they don’t go around murdering other people over it….
It almost sounds like the media feels sorry for this pathetic loser…I don’t. The world is obviously a better place without this sort of maniac Wannabe Rambo still around……..
Just as with other “Suicide Troops”…why can’t they bugger off into a field and put a bullet in their brains…….
Block, I think you misunderstood Jon’s joke? Or have I invented one where there wasn’t any? I think he means that when he says ‘these people’ he means psychopaths, not B-BBC contributors!
And he was a skinhead Nazi.
gharqad-tree: thanks – I think it was way over Blocks intelect.
He would have loved to hear that.
KING OF THE CHO’S
CROWN OF THORNS!!!
You think sympathy and undestanding would have any effect? Not bloody likely – if you’ll forgive a Britishism. Psychogenic medication maybe.
http://atoryblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/did-hms-cornwall-have-its-eye-off-ball.html
interesting story via Man in a Shed – I wonder how much of this was known around the MSM?
Several US conservative bloggers are already linking to the “Can America Trust The BBC ?” video – the word is spreading about Al-BBC’s agenda. The word just needs to be spread faster – if you have friends or relatives in the US start letting them know the truth about Al-BBC. If we truly want the West to win the war against the liberal self-haters and their islamist allies then we all have to do our bit. Informing the populace at large about the proganda machine working against us is part of that struggle.
Sorry – that should read “propaganda” not “proganda” …
riddler: – that point has also been raised by the EU Referendum blog.
“the word is spreading about Al-BBC’s agenda. “
And hopefully John Lennons pernicious influence on the Catholic Church and by extension the BBC. Excellent.
Ultraviolence, I may have missed your response when I asked you to explain what this John Lennon stuff was all about on another thread.
I hope you will explain it is all some sort of joke that I just haven’t got. Because to be honest you are coming across as a crank.
A couple of weeks ago you posted a question about BBC America. Out of curiosity, I wondered if BBC America was included in my satelite TV service. Low and behold, there it was on channel 264. Who knew? To take this one step further I asked a few friends and neighbors who have cable if their providers carried BBC America.
The response was pretty much universal, a long, awkward silence while they searched their memories trying to remember whether or not they had BBC America. Not one person that I asked had ever watched the channel, although, all who checked dicovered that they did, indeed, have it.
After a recent storm I had to have my dish adjusted. While chatting with the repair man I asked him about BBC America, specifically, whether I was paying extra for a channel that I didn’t watch and really didn’t want. He explained that BBC America is “bundled” in with other channels. In other words if I want, say, the Disney Channel and The History Channel I have to take BBC America too. So, while BBC America claims to be in 45 million American homes it is unlikely that most Americans are even aware of it. More than likely, even among those who do know only a fraction of them are watching.
There are many news outlets here in America and unless you are part of the Starbucks and croissants crowd and trying to impress someone with how “worldly and sophisticated” you are, it is not likely that you will tune in to get your news from BBC America. Heck, it is almost impossible to get most Americans to watch our American news much less news with a foreign spin. 🙂
Entertainment programs may be a different story, but there again most BBC programs are shown on our PBS and have been for many years. Pride and Predjudice, one of my favorites, recently aired on A & E another outlet for specific BBC programming here in the States.
Just an American: Many PBS stations — most of them, I believe — carry a BBC news feed. Just how many Americans actually see BBC news regularly is anyone’s guess; there are no reliable figures.
You’re right to note the BBC’s oily claim to be ‘available’ in 45 million homes. I currently live in the UK much of the year and I’m ‘available’ to eat curry in every curry house in the land, but it makes me ill, so I don’t.
I fear that the YouTube video misses the larger point, which is Can America Trust Britain Ever Again Or Are They Now Like France? One thing is clear already: in the wake of the failures of the puny Brit navy, it will be a long time before any American commander allows a Brit sailor on his flanks. IMO, so it goes for the entire nation.
The Britain of today belongs in the EU and not at our side. Ever.
knacker
The NuLabour Britain is the one you are referring to. The real Britain is still out there and starting to get really really angry at the soppy wishy liberals.
You should go and find Michael Yon’s latest report about his time with the British Army in Basra and udnerstand that most Yanks DO want us on their flank. We are so much more reliable than the Spanish, Italians and French/German Axis!
Yes, let’s not write off the British just yet. The BBC and others have not yet succeeded in convincing the average Briton that he should hand his country over since international boundaries are so 20th century and immigration should be unlimited and we are all the same and all equal so why should anyone discriminate and complain if Britain becomes a third world hell hole.
deegee | 19.04.07 – 10:11 am,
Funnily enough I am rereading Moby Dick – or rather reading the unabridged version for the first time. I stumbled on a radically abridged version or two as a child.
It really is a classic, but also, as I’m sure you know, immaculately PC. The character Queeque, a “savage” from a tribe of cannibals, is portrayed as at least equal, and at times superior to the surrounding palefaces in terms of ability and humanity. He is also a Muslim (or at least observes Ramadan). I suppose it’s possible that the killer modelled himself to an extent on Queeque the outsider.
But this is of course a little OT. Can America trust the BBC? As much as one would trust a rattlesnake in the back garden.
“Ultraviolence, I may have missed your response when I asked you to explain what this John Lennon stuff was all about on another thread.”
I like Natalie would like to know what exactly you are talking about Ultraviolence. I`ve even done a search of the BBC of John+lennon+catholic and all I`ve come up with is that he went to school with someone who is a catholic.
Please, either explain, or take your medication.
Yes, I’m well aware of Michael Yon’s reporting. I’ve also known a couple of your SBS folks over the years. But as with any sane nation, American policy is best based on what is and on what is probable, not on wishful thinking, pixie dust and the distant past.
This isn’t just a New Labour issue, though they the worst of a bad bunch. Am I supposed to be confident in Dave, or in the anti-American rantings of the snob right (Max Hastings, S Jenkins and pals)?
Sorry, but I’ve heard the we’re-getting-really-mad-now-just-you-wait-and-see argument far too often for it to be credible. Nothing happens. Sounds like soft-power with its knickers showing.
So thanks, but not in my name, and not on my flanks.
I’m going to get lynched for this but I feel ‘sorry’ Hui Cho and others like him after listening to what he had to say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6570369.stm
I’m not for one moment saying that his callous acts of barbarism should not be condemned in the strongest possible terms, but seeing as mental illness effects one in three of the UK population then I think we should be a little more considered with our comments.
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsStatistics/DH_4079111
This tragic crime isn’t one of gun control or pop music but of the dark reassesses of the human psyche. It is a tragic waste to see a young man trying to struggle with his darkest emotions to finally succumb to them in a whirlwind of violence and hate with all the terrible consequences that we have seen. To often in my opinion troubled young men and women are often overlooked by those in charge of social wellbeing due to under resourcing, under funding and a political correct mindset as documented by a number of charities and media.
I also think that the decline in youth movements such as the Scouts for all manner of reasons mean where as before a guy like Cho could have found an outlet for him/herself in camping and outdoors life and other leisure activities now kids stay glued to the TV and the PS3….
Some of my friends have similar (although less extreme) mindset to Cho, angry confused and isolated for all manner of different reasons, mostly personal with some institutional influence and I myself struggle with anxiety and depression.
What I find objectionable is the media’s ‘political judgments’ on gun control (people like Cho live everywhere) and the ‘sensational’ and ‘pop’ aspects of the story. It’s interesting to observe but there does appear to be a backlash against the media in general at the moment.
Knacker….
Would I be right in saying that the Dutch,Polish and Australian’s are seen now as more robust partners at the moment?
And Horrocks hypocrisy shines through in this piece:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/04/why_we_showed_gunman_video.html#commentsanchor
Oh they are Americans so that’s OK….
Hmm….
Ultra nationalist as in the “Grey Wolves”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves
They seem to drink from the same watering hole as Al Qaeda and other Chechen ‘freedom fighters’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Opps wrong thread….
Not 100 percent on topic but pretty close. Justin Webb comes up with a piece that is – dare I say it – pro-US?
Anti-Americanism in Venezuela
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6572615.stm
IiD Cho’s problems were not ‘ignored’ he was in and out of at least two mental institutions but as one Campus counselor revealingly observed it is difficult to ‘help’ troubled students because of ‘privacy issues’. We now know that mental illness is largely biological rather than psycho-analytic in origin and that no amount of ‘talk therapy’ or ‘social support’ will do much good until and unless the underlying chemical imbalances are corrected.
Unfortunately the notion of mental illness as some kind of ‘social protest’ by gifted non-conformists a’la Szaz, who claimed there was no such thing, is still fashionable among our intellectual elite.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ‘loners’ even alienated on our campuses, these people may be unhappy but they do not commit mass murder because they are not psychotics. Cho was. There lies the difference.
My God what a serious intellect you are Roxana.
Let’s all listen to you.
Deegee, probably a layman, has already pretty much explained the reasons behind Mr Seung-Hui’s actions by quoting Moby Dick.
The world he lived in was superficial and shallow – the kids, the charlatans, the pointless debauchery and worthless wealth.
But he was psychologically trapped. It was the only world he knew, the only world he was permitted to be part of. But he could not compromise himself by being part of it – i.e. by talking to people and being all friendly and sh!t. So he established a truce with this world by being a quiet loner. But the truce didn’t last.
As far as he was concerned he was an innocent victim, a molested child, a Christ trapped in something he never asked for. This ’caused’ him to be angry, the cause of the anger is the rich kids, therefore, the rich kids are the cause of his shooting spree.
It’s just that simple. There is no ‘chemical imbalance’ involved.
As for prevention, he should have been kicked out of College when he started stalking girls. I thought American Universitys were full of radical feminists ready to campaign for this. I suppose I’m wrong.
What a useful and worthwhile debate! Every time something like this happens, people sit and discuss the causes till they’re blue in the face. And still they happen; so please don’t anyone say that ignoring the question means it’s more likely to happen again. It happens anyway. Bad things always have, and always will.
I honestly don’t care what the causes were, for the reason that we will probably know for sure.
Am I the only one who thinks that the more we talk and talk and talk about the usually dismal perpetrators of these acts, the more fuel we add to the fire of fame and publicity that makes a repeat performance more likely than not? The fact that Campus Shootings have become a kind of recognized category or subset of modern murder in the USA (and other places too, to be sure – I’m not knocking the US here, I lived there for a while and I love the country) makes it surely more likely that another kid will at some point decide to become a Campus Killer – like the ones he’s seen one the TV, the ones discussed to pieces in talkshows and radio phone-ins, the ones whose motivations and mysteries are so fascinating to normal people, like the killers he sees on the front pages of all the newspapers etc etc?
If he was bullied, I’m sorry for that. So was I. I didn’t attack innocent people for it. If he was mentally ill, or chemically imbalanced, that’s tragic for the victims. Beyond that, let’s forget him and remember the victims.
I’m not pontificating, that’s just how I feel about it.
In paragraph 2 I meant, of course, ‘we will NEVER know for sure’. Sorry.
Here’s a solution: Bring back the old mental hospitals in the country for the confinement of those deemed unfit for liberty.
Read all about it in Michael Foucaults ‘Madness and Civilisation’. Madness, and subsequent confinement, is for people – who are like mediaeval lepers – who have fallen out of civilised society (without having committed a crime) and must be confined. They have been elected by fate to live out the amoral cosmic chaos that the normals spend their lives evading.
‘we will NEVER know for sure’.
I’m sick of hearing this moralising shit. It’s easy to know why he did it. Killers in general seem to be in the habit of posting videos detailing the reasons for their actions. Like Mohammed Siddique Khan for instance. Listen to what they say:
“You will confront the reality of what you are doing in Iraq”.
That’s it. Nothing more is required.
The Britain of today belongs in the EU and not at our side. Ever.
knacker | 20.04.07 – 4:54 am | #
“Smile at us, pay us, pass us; but do not quite forget,
For we are the people of England, that never has spoken yet.
There is many a fat farmer that drinks less cheerfully,
There is many a free French peasant who is richer and sadder than we.
There are no folk in the whole world so helpless or so wise.
There is hunger in our bellies, there is laughter in our eyes;
You laugh at us and love us, both mugs and eyes are wet:
Only you do not know us. For we have not spoken yet.”
The Secret People
G.K. CHESTERTON
ok Ultraviolence, time for more moralising shit from me. (Is that what I was doing? Moralising? You’ll have to point that out to me, as I missed it.)
Right then – let’s take the latest Campus murderer: you say “it’s easy to know why he did it” – so let’s hear it. Tell us why he did it! Enlighten us! Half the world’s wanting to know why, so please, share your wisdom!
I haven’t watched his video, because I have no interest in doing so, but let’s suppose he says in the video that – just for example – he was bullied, or feels angry and alienated from this revolting world etc. You’ll say ‘There – that’s why he did it, end of story!’ But you won’t be able to say why others in the same predicament, who are bullied or alienated, do NOT do it, and therefore you’ll really have explained nothing. As a diagnostic or predictive tool your reasoning is – to use your charming and unecessarily insulting word – shit.
But yeah, I’m sure the families of the victims will be glad to know you’ve got it all neatly explained, and that your suggestion is an application of Foucault to the infected areas.
You sound like one of those people who use vehemence and bluster to ram home what on reflection are extremely trite and shallow theories. Foucault’s ‘Madness and Civilisation’ is indeed a wonderful and important book; it’s a shame you didn’t learn any subtlety of thought or analysis from it.