Andrew McCann has written of his attempts to put his views across to the Beeb over Sweenygate. I am referring, of course, to the bullying, hectoring behaviour (caution, highly entertaining stuff) of the BBC’s fearless sleuth, John Sweeney, as he ventured into the deep hidden danger facing us all from Tom Cruise’s religion, Scientology. McCann’s words are well worth reading. Summary account of the incident here.
He points out the BBC’s complacent reliance on the freedoms accorded them in the US and UK. He demonstrates what true objectivity might mean- the fearlessly equal treatment of all on an equal basis. His analogy was the most obvious one going- between the BBC’s treatment of Scientology and its treatment of Islam- but the point is a deep one.
Talking of his approach to the BBC’s phone-in minders he says:
“I posed a rhetorical question as to whether Sweeney would have lost his temper if treated in the same way by Muslims outside the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca. In other words, would Sweeney have behaved that way had it not been for his own prejudices and the environment in which he found himself?”
Indeed. PS. I notice that Sweeney has done investigations in Saudi Arabia, but one does indeed wonder if he treated the Saudis as imbeciles as he did so, or whether it was their religion he was interested in targeting.
Guys, guys.
Let’s keep our focus, today of all days, as the real mourning for “Dr” Falwell kicks in.
Remember Jo Moore? A good day to bury bad news?
The Boibeeds have already shunted the boss of Blue Peter out of the fire exit, clearly concealing his part in “Dr” Jerry’s homo holocaust via Tinkywinky and the Teletubbies.
What next? Whisper it quietly, but I hear of an al-Beebie plot to neuter the Queeen’s Christmas message by insisting on a Gerry Adams-style voice replacement. Why? Because Her Majesty speaks nicely, that’s why.
The Palace have already turned down the offer of Deidre Barlow’s voice, but I understand that a compromise may be reached via Stephen Rea, who did such sterling work denying the oxygen of publicity for Gerry Adams.
Rea is thought to have the requisite “impenetrable regional accent” to satisfy the BBC, and the right thespian credits to honour the Monarch.
JBH and Anonymous, you cover the BBC sites. Biodegradable, you watch Rea’s agent’s and I’ll keep my eye on Sinn Fein.
Let vigilance be our watchword.
‘dave t:
Birkbeck College, University of London, 1990-1996, Ph.D. in Economics”
SIX years to do a PhD? Bloody hell!’
Be fair – it took me 8 years to do mine… part-time, with no funding.
🙂
Rachel
Hillhunt | 17.05.07 – 10:02 am
Let’s keep our focus, today of all days, as the real mourning for “Dr” Falwell kicks in.
Does anyone know if the BBC has reported on whether or not Dr Falwell will be buried on the Mount of Olives?
I ask this not only because that honour was bestowed upon another fat fraud… Robert Maxwell, but because it seems the State of Israel so loved the revd. Falwell it gave him a present – a Lear jet, no less.
http://www.cmep.org/Alerts/2004March31.htm
JBH
I don’t agree with you.
I doubt Hillhunt is BBC.
C-BBC perhaps…
Judging by Reith’s more recent juvenile pronouncements he is going the same way…
Have you got a hangover after last night’s result, Baggie?
What do you think Heron 🙂
I’d be asking questions if you weren’t.
Ultraviolets:
Okay, I’ve uploaded the new folder on the BBC’s anti-Israeli reporting. It’s entitled, appropriately enough, “BBC’s anti-Israeli reporting”. The URL is:
http://www.esnips.com/web/bbc-bias-12
I’ve also uploaded into a temporary folder a few more new articles, most of which fall in the “BBC’s shoddy standards” category. Take a trawl through these and download what you want. Let me know when you’ve done it and I’ll re-distribute them to the appropriate folders. The URL is:
http://www.esnips.com/web/bbc-bias-temp
There’s one in particluar that would be rather appropriate for John Reith’s Homepage
BaggieJonathan | 17.05.07 – 10:26 am
You got that right.
John Reith | 17.05.07 – 9:59 am
Your disingenuousness has crossed the line into downright mendacity. As you well know, because I’ve told you many times, everyone who has taken the trouble to examine our research has vouched for its merit. The vast majority have agreed one hundred per cent with our conclusions.
Not one person has found fault in our reasoning, and that, Reith, includes you, and no one who has examined our research has expressed disagreement with any of the conclusions we draw from the evidence, a fraction of which is discussed on my main website.
(BBC-ers, you will remember how last year John Reith shuffled in his pants for weeks, while he conjured up disingenuous reasons to avoid taking up my repeated offers to donate £1,000 to the charity of his choice if he and one other BBC staff reporter would agree to a day-long demonstration of the evidence showing how The Guardian perverted the official parliamentary inquiry of 1997 into the ‘Neil Hamilton Cash for Questions’ affair.)
Reith, you really are symbolic of the BBC in every way. The sooner this unlawful, literally subversive, anti-democratic, suffocating lying machine is exposed to the world the better. And don’t think it won’t happen.
Ultraviolets:
How about starting the soundrack to your fabulous forthcoming video with Andy Williams crooning:
“If a picture paints a thousand words”
– before cutting straight into your musical masterpiece.
Just a thought.
I ask this not only because that honour was bestowed upon another fat fraud… Robert Maxwell, but because it seems the State of Israel so loved the revd. Falwell it gave him a present – a Lear jet, no less.
And here we get another insight into the Beeboid dislike of Falwell – in addition to the Christian evangelicalism, anti-abortion, anti-gay rhetoric etc., Falwell was a firm friend of Israel.
Burma? No problem. North Korea? So what! But Israel — Oh my God!
JBH:
Not only are you a prince among investigative journalists – shame on everyone for not publishing you more often – but you are clearly the Ridley Scott of web-based film-making.
Andy Williams? Crooning to a newspaper cutting? Multimedia gold-dust!
I hear that Michael Apted is getting close to retirement and that ITV are wondering which Oscar-nominated director would take up the cudgels for the next round of 7-Up.
Could you? Would you?
And the really good news? The channel of Sir Trevor McDonald clearly has no truck with “impenetrable regional accents.”
Anonymous:
Point well-made re “Dr” Fallwell.
Has anyone considered offering internment at the Warwickshire farm where they used to film the sexually-challenged soft-toy subversives? Apparently it’s overgrown since filming ended.
How appropriate that the man who finally nailed the gay Gestapo that is Tinkwinky be buried at the scene of such an important cultural victory for decency?
Warwickshire does have some unpleasant “impenetrable regional accents”, but, praise the Lord for small mercies, “Dr” Jerry is in no position to be offended by them.
Hillhunt
Any more comments before the end lunch bell goes?
I’m presuming the teachers and prefects don’t allow you on the net when there are lessons on.
So must we wait till going home time for more of your jeremy bowen level insights?
I always like listening to John Bolton, he’s a straight talker. My morning was brightened up listening to him sarcastically putting John Humphries in his place on the Today program.
Connell:
Made my morning, too.
One question: When he characterised Humphries as “extreme left-wing”, do you think he had Ryan Giggs in mind, or, as an older gentleman, possibly Charlie Cooke?
One other thing, if I may: Do you not think Ambassador Bolton missed a trick by ignoring Humphries’s “impenetrable regional accent”?
I very seldom comment here although I read the site every day.
Hillhunt – you really are the most annoying, smug little git that I have ever had the misfortune to read. You are childish beyond belief, arrogant, but most of all, you are a simpleton.
Why not throw your dummy somewhere else? Perhaps a site like dailykos would suit your level of intelligence? You’d feel right at home there, in fact, you might even come across as an intellectual.
Wouldn’t you like that? A pratt among twats?
Compare and contrast
“There is no compulsion in religion.” mohammed in the koran 2:256
with
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6663305.stm
ROP-MA adherants need to pay more attention to their own purpoted message.
Or is it that too many do not actually understand arabic and they have followed the words of imams as if it were written so.
BaggieJonathan:
From Deuternomy 13:12 on disbelievers:
“Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that [is] therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.”
Code Red. Let’s roast some Islamist ass!
(Might as well head north and pick off a few “impenetrable regional accents”, too, to make it worth our while.)
Hillhunt
R.E. lessons in year 9 no good then.
What Deuteronomy 13:12 actually says is:
“If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying”
Hillhunt
You also totally missed the point – that the islamists were ignoring their own book, their own prophets teaching, in committing such actions.
Your pathetic trolling keeps reaching new depths, its long since time you were banned off.
Even your slowest classmates seem to have better understanding than you.
BaggieJonathan:
AS ever, grateful for your continuing education. Slip of the keyboard – meant 13:15, as you already know.
Humbly, I did take your point. But Deuteronomy gives us carte blanche to start busting disbeliever ass.
If there’s one thing you guys have taught me, it’s that Muslims are brutal, unreliable, murdering, hypocritical, intolerant people who are treated far too kindly by the BBC. I foolishly thought Deuteronomy 1812 offered us a way out, but hey ho!
We could still roast some “impenetrable regional accents”, surely? Waddya say?
In my own Brummie words and final thought on the matter:
Logic 101 Class
Hillhunt = young troll
therefore
Do not feed!
QED
Pure truth here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqd-x0omd_o
With due respect to Baggie’s reading re: feeding the troll. However Hillhunt’s footballing reference was too tempting:
Hillhunt: “One question: When he characterised Humphries as “extreme left-wing”, do you think he had Ryan Giggs in mind, or, as an older gentleman, possibly Charlie Cooke?”
You may have noticed how as he’s got older and wiser, Ryan Giggs has moved from the left-wing into the centre. Wise old boy. If only Humphries would do the same, then we could all appreciate his qualities. By the way, these three Muslim friends you have: what are their views on 9/11? Who do they think committed it?
Reith
You hate Falwell because…
He was fat – Since when did this make him hateable?
Are there really no fat people at the BBC?
You must dislike an awful lot of people.
He was fraudulent – Says who?
You may not have agreed with him on everything, neither did I.
I was certainly not a member of his fan club either, but does that constitute fraud, I do not think so.
Where is your proof?
Because Israel honoured him –
Is the problem it is Israel of because it is a state?
Israel honoured Oscar Schindler and Albert Einstein, what does that prove?
States around the world have honoured all sorts of people, what is the issue with that?
The queen and Nelson Mandela have received honour from many states, is that an issue?
Perhaps it is because it was a Lear Jet?
Is it too expensive for your tastes?
What level becomes too much for you?
If you disagree with organisations even state owned organisations paying out lots of money how do you feel about the huge salaries paid to BBC fat cat directors or celebrities like Jonathan Ross and Terry Wogan?
I think you just jumped on the childishness bandwagon that seems to have been too prevalent on this thread already.
anonymous
Watch Sderot Under Attack here
http://ws.collactive.com/points/point?id=cZx2c38m3YI4
Now we all know al-beeb daily reports big bangs in Iraq but somehow overlooks others, what a “strange” state of affairs. Surely the BBC is not bias?
Visit HONEST REPORTING to get the REAL news not BBC propaganda.
http://www.honestreporting.com/
On this page…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6664917.stm
…the Beeb solicits (D)HYS contributions by highlighting this one:
“How can Palestinians unite when the West and Israel will only support one side”
Angs, New York
Well, if we go the page itself, we can see what the most recommended posts look like…
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6316&edition=1&ttl=20070517170219&#paginator
Not conforming to the Beeboid-world view! Perhaps the “Angs, New York” comment was an attempt to flush more moonbats out of the belfry?
In any case, why not choose some of the saner contributions?
whatever | 17.05.07 – 5:02 pm | #
Good point. When there is a big bang captured on camera in Iraq the BBC likes to show it – in fact if the camera isn’t running during the detonation, images of the smoke plume will do.
But rockets launched by Hamas into Israel that are caught on camera? Move along please, nothing to see here.
According to the BBC:
For the Jews of Middle Eastern origins, like their European co-religionists, coming to Israel was the culmination of a religious journey – it was the fulfilment of the centuries-old dream to live in the so-called Promised Land.
But many who came over to Israel as part of the mass migration that followed the creation of the Jewish state in 1948, look back with nostalgia and fondness for the life that they had left behind.
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Nice_Story_But_Wheres_the_Context$.asp
So what’s the issue with a piece where there appears nothing to get upset about? The problem lies not in what has been written but in what has been left out. While terming the Iraqi Jews’ move to Israel as part of a “mass migration”, the BBC conveniently forgets that this was not a move made out of choice. In fact, the Iraqi Jews (along with thousands of Jews living in Arab states) were forced to flee for their lives as refugees in anything but positive circumstances.
Yip, blame Israel when Palestinians are killing each other…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6664917.stm
HAVE YOUR SAY
How can Palestinians unite when the West and Israel will only support one side
Angs, New York
Hillhunt, you can quote verses out of context all day long but you don’t get around the fact that the verses in the OT that you’re quoting are time limited. They refer to specific cities. They refer to specific military campaigns. They have a limitation that is the result of the end of those military campaigns. The verse you quote from Deuteronomy spoke only of the conquest of the promised land, a conquest that wouldn’t have been necessary if the hebrews had listened to their god during the exodus. The conquest was as much a punishment against them as it was an assault against the inhabitants of the land of canaan.
Now, the bits and bobs of the koran that you probably call this equivalent to are very specific in their action; they mention no ending to their violence, they are not limited to specific campaigns and are not aimed at specific military goals. They are open-ended. They exhort the beleivers to kill pagans and unbelievers wherever they find them. The verses you cite speak of the conquest of a single city.
I should add that these actions are by no means unique in the contemporary world of the hebrews. Nations would fight other nations, and take their cities. The unique aspect of the accounts in deuteronomy is what happened to the loot afterwards. It was destroyed. Every other contemporary nation kept their loot. The hebrews destroyed theirs. On top of this, the comparison between the hebrew behaviour and the later behaviour of islam is also quite interesting. Those nations fought over resources; land, water, cattle, bronze and tin mines, quarries. Gold. Cities were conwuered for the resources they commanded. Islam’s qonquest wasn’t for resources, but for the sake of destroying everything that wasn’t Islam. It was a conquest of ideaology. The hebrews weren’t out to convert the world and kill the rest. They were capturing resources and establishing a nation.
You read but you do not understand.
Getting your retaliation in first.
The BBC’s online report makes clear that Israel is responding to rocket attacks coming from Gaza.
Israel’s aircraft have struck a number of targets in Gaza after it vowed a severe response to rocket attacks on its soil.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6664917.stm
But when required to provide a precis for the Newsnight preview e-mail, Emily Maitlis gives it a whole new slant.
As I write, the troubles in Gaza are increasing. We’ve had a report of
an Israeli air strike and Hamas has threatened to retaliate with suicide attacks.
BaggieJonathan:
No-one hates “Dr” Falwell. How could anyone summon that emotion for one who saw through the clever disguises of the Teletubby sodomite cult?
When we read so much of the muslim-loving distortion and left-wing disingenuousness that passes for British broadcasting, how can anyone fail to love a man whose analysis of 9/11 was:
“The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked… I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays, and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way – all of them who have tried to secularise America – I point the finger in their face and say: ‘You helped this happen.'”
The only slight discomfort any of us might feel was the “impenetrable regional accent” in which he delivered it.
From Deuternomy 13:12 on disbelievers:
“Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that [is] therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.”
Hillhunt | 17.05.07 – 2:36 pm
Fiona @ 17.05.07 – 2:21 pm said it all really:
Hillhunt – you really are the most annoying, smug little git that I have ever had the misfortune to read. You are childish beyond belief, arrogant, but most of all, you are a simpleton.
As to quoting Deuternomy, I suggest you read this:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Bible-Quran-Violence.htm
Then GFY.
“Iran, the 4th largest energy exporter in the world, says it needs nuclear energy for “peaceful” purposes.”
This recent picture from Tehran
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Images/Iran-Israel_LG.jpg
The BBC’s online report makes clear that Israel is responding to rocket attacks coming from Gaza.
will | 17.05.07 – 5:36 pm
Almost, but not really. None of the BBC’s reporting on Gaza and the Kassam rocket attacks has mentioned anything about Israeli casualties, schools being hit, Sderot being evacuted. For that you need to see the Israeli media:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708623994&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
A Kassam rocket fired from the Gaza Strip struck a factory in Sderot on Thursday evening.
The factory burst into flames and firefighters worked frantically to extinguish the blaze.
…
By 7 p.m., 16 Kassam hits had been reported in Sderot and the western Negev. Magen David Adom paramedics were treating a mother and her nine-year-old daughter, both of whom were suffering from shock. A car was also damaged.
Another rocket hit a high school near Sapir College earlier in the day, causing significant damage and lightly wounding two pupils.
…
Israel Radio reported that more than 1,000 people had fled Sderot. Among the evacuees were 90 families with at least one member considered mentally disabled.
…
Earlier Wednesday, the Sderot Municipality prepared to temporarily evacuate 4,000 residents after Palestinians fired approximately 50 rockets into the area around the Gaza border within 24 hours.
A 70-year-old woman sustained serious shrapnel wounds when a Kassam rocket hit her Sderot home, and was evacuated to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon. A man was lightly wounded in the attack, and four others were treated for shock, bringing the total number of shock victims for the day to 18.
The BBC doesn’t count dead and injured Jews, only “Palestinians” matter.
Bastards!
My response
Hillhunt = young troll
therefore
Do not feed!
QED
Hillhunt &
What role do Austrians play in:
same person, different drugs IMO.
BaggieJonathan:
I understand. The first 24 hours after bereavement are the hardest to take.
Falwell was everything you and I might look up to: wise, kindly, thoughtful, cuddly, and vicious as a starving zombie when it came to mankind’s real enemies – gays, liberals etc.
I am not taking your grumpiness to heart. I’m with you in your grief.
Despite the “impenetrable regional accent”.
To the idiot (hill (female sex organ)) who is quoting old Jewish texts in which to try and prove that the jews are just as bad (if not worse) than the Muslims.
Point to note;
While all the major faiths subscribe to codex’s written in the past. Only one major faith still follows to the letter the retributions written down a thousand and a half years ago as handed down by god. Everybody else have moved with the times.
So if you are a woman, you are f***ed.
If you are a non-believer, you are f***ed.
If you are gay, you are f***ed.
If you belong to a minority, you are f***ed.
If you leave the faith, you are f***ed.
If you are a jew, you are really f***ed.
While I admit that every faith has idiots who take their faith just that little bit too far. Only one seems to behold almost every MEMBER to become incandescent with rage for the slightest of grievances.
The problem is pr***s (male sex organs) such as yourself (And I hold the BBC to that as well) seem to develop selective amnesia when their favourite faith gets a kicking for starting a fight, which they then lose. Instead you wax lyrical about how bad the Jews are, how racist the British are and how magnanimous a certain gay death cult is. Tell you what Richard Edward go to any Islamic country of your choice and try and burn the national flag in public. I’m sure the last thing you will hear as the knife cuts into your neck is “God is great” Now contrast the flag burnings in America, Britain and Israel.
With that my little protozoa instead of filling this blog with your brothers and sisters via binary fission why don’t you find a little pond of your own in which to repopulate.
pounce:
Why the anger? If you read my earlier posting:
“If there’s one thing you guys have taught me, it’s that Muslims are brutal, unreliable, murdering, hypocritical, intolerant people who are treated far too kindly by the BBC.”
I’m with you 1,000%.
I fully accept. We are all f***ed.
So what about it?
Code Red: Let’s roast Islamic ass. You know it makes sense!
PS: While you have the Koran open, could you look up its teachings on “impenetrable regional accents”?
“With that my little protozoa instead of filling this blog with your brothers and sisters via binary fission why don’t you find a little pond of your own in which to repopulate.
pounce | 17.05.07 – 6:22 pm | # ”
I second that. This blog is getting rather tedious having to plough through the utter rubbish by the likes of hillhead. I suggest that he is ignored.
Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming – Now Skeptics
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&Region_id=&Issue_i
“Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming – Now Skeptics”
And this will be reported instantly on the BBC of course…….
mel simpson: nice link – thanks
BBC news tonight:
“These rockets are designed to kill”
Can someone in the Beeb please tell that reporter to get with the programme!
They are crude home-made rockets, how could they possibly kill anyone?
Bolton vs whatsisname in at LGF.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25523_Audio-_Bolton_Unloads_on_BBC_Radio_Interviewer&only
(more useful a player)