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Pounce wrote, on a BBC headline about a soldier from the arab world who raped a British scientist:
“But by simply saying Soldier raped scientist at home The BBC gives the impression that the British Military are full of thugs and rapists.”
PJF wrote:
“Do you not think this could just be the normal, silly journalistic pre-occupation with other people’s occupations?”
Pounce is right and PJF is wrong simply because there is a campaign of vilification on-going in the BBC against our armed forces. The BBC rarely mentions the many successes our troops are having against the taliban (never seen anything on TV), yet always highlights any British casualties, even if not from combat duties.
Good Morning.
After a three and a half week trek around the Islamic Republic of England and ‘King Alex’s Kingdom of Scotland it’s nice to be back in the sane world again.
“Socalist and Independent” Scotland which charges
5 pound to get into a small garden, while having 3 different quango’s running one histrical site.Come again???!!
Still it’s a new day for the IRE with ‘King Brooun in the hot seat. So true to Pravda here is the next SEVEN YEAR wish list on foreign policy by the IBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6234592.stm
But hey ho don’t the Beeboid’s make it easy for ‘King Brooun:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6242462.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6679773.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6239486.stm
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
IiD | 27.06.07 – 9:14 am | #
Good morning IiD
The Brown Broadcasting Corporation is in full swing. I noticed they anounced that Labour’s ‘spin’ machine was being dismantled and Brown was now going to focus on ‘policy’ (in a bit of wonderful spinning). What they don’t say is that Brown doesn’t need the spin panoply that Blair resorted to because he’s thoroughly embedded himself within the media. And the BBC isn’t hiding the fact:
“The great secret of political PR is to make sure no one sees the strings being pulled. If the media are talking about spin, it means you have failed,” he says.
Rather than trying to give their man a fashionable makeover, Team Brown have been concentrating instead on cultivating key opinion formers, such as Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre and Richard Wallace, editor of the Daily Mirror, says Mr Borkowski.
“Surprisingly, there is a lot of work that has gone into that, but no one knows about it.”
Surprising? I don’t think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6679773.stm
“OFFICIAL: BBC EMPLOYS HAMAS MEMBER!!!!!!!!”
You’ve got a funny definition of ‘official’ mate. The story makes clear that the Beeb denies employing any Hamas members. So it must be ‘official’ on the say so of the hugely impartial and unbiased JP?
Allan/Oslo:
Pounce is right and PJF is wrong simply because there is a campaign of vilification on-going in the BBC against our armed forces.
Give over. There is no campaign of villification, and any sensible watcher, say, of Leithead’s recent reporting can tell that.
Don’t confuse cheerleading with reporting. The BBC, like ITV and Channel4 try, properly, to maintain objectivity about military stories. Soldiers and ex-soldiers often find that bewildering for understandable reasons, but if we are at war we as a nation need honest assessments of it, not PR.
pounce is up to his neck in twaddle once again. Anyone who cares will read the story and absorb straight away that the soldier came from the UAE.
pounce has reasons for his inverted views on the world. What are yours?
Ben Hammersley previously of the Guardian now working for BBC News:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6240878.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hammersley
Good to see the BBC casting their recruitment net far and wide 😉
Ben doesn’t seem to have any foral training in journalism, but then neither does his boss, Richard Sambrook(e). Knowing anything about journalism is obviously a bit of a drawback at the Beeb. A bit of a kick in the teeth for those that studied journalism for years as my sister did.
Sambrooke formed the various BBC News departments into one unit to form the worlds largest broadcast news operation. He was in charge during the Gilligan affair but survived. He appears to have a “Fourth Reich” attitude to BBC News, expanding it in all directions using the licence fee to foot the bill. The new media seems to be the next target. The problem he is going to have is the popularity of free speech on the net. As we see from our Beeb contributors here, free speech is n
I was going to say, before my trackpad interrupted:
“Free speech is not a top priority at the Beeb”.
Oscar.
What I find astonishing is that the IBC tone makes it say that ‘Auntie’ as though they are not “part of the machine”.
Yet Al Beeb has been caught at the very heart of the “spinning” time and again-Hutton, Balen (if we could read it), the Frightened 15 report (the second written by Hall-ex BBC) and the BBC Trust report sound that out.
Have we all forgotten that only a few weeks ago there was the “cash for peerages story” and the mugging of Guildo? Wasn’t that just “conjecture” and “wordsmithing” strait from the book of Campbell, with the Gurnard and Al Beebs fingers over it?
Made it very easy for TB to go didn’t it? Fits nicely with the “progressive thinking” within the BBC especially on Iraq…
Al Beeb’s is going to be Brown’s ideological SMERSH agents, and like the relationship between a dealer and a junkie, Brown is going to look whiter than white, while Al Beeb do the dirty work of applying the doublethink.
Makes Chavez efforts look like Blue Peter.
Next expect Polly Toynbee to be asked to chair an “independent” think tank to ask for a review on biased journalism in the BBC…..
Ryan:
A bit of a kick in the teeth for those that studied journalism for years as my sister did.
No kick in the teeth at all. Journalism has never had a formal career structure, unlike, say the law or medicine. Most hacks have learnt their research and writing skills in other disciplines, and the particular skills of journalism can be learnt on the job.
One of the mistakes many students make when entering media studies or journalism is to assume it’s a fast track to a career. Sadly, it isn’t.
IiD:
Al Beeb’s is going to be Brown’s ideological SMERSH agents, and like the relationship between a dealer and a junkie, Brown is going to look whiter than white, while Al Beeb do the dirty work of applying the doublethink.
Makes Chavez efforts look like Blue Peter.
Yours, too, mate. Yours, too.
Oscar:
Top holidays read for this summer:
Cohen-What’s Left?
Atkin-Can we trust the BBC?
Phillips-Londonstan.
Hurry before the book burnings start…..:)
Anyone fancy joining this guy?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/11/08/nfee08.xml
I’ve talked to many immigrates from the former USSR over the years, and they all seem to be able to recognize Socialist repression when they see it.
@HillHunt:
My sister is a senior editor at a well-known regional nespaper. It seems her journalistic training only keeps her out of contention for a top job at the Beeb. I don’t see her shedding any tears over it though. The Beeb suffers from the same tendency as the national press to substitute true journalism for opinion and comment, so definitely not my sister’s cup of tea.
You’ve got a funny definition of ‘official’ mate. The story makes clear that the Beeb denies employing any Hamas members. So it must be ‘official’ on the say so of the hugely impartial and unbiased JP?
Cockney | 27.06.07 – 9:53 am |
Wa as Salam ul Alikeum to you COCK or as its should be AL ZUB.
Felicitations on the accession of that immortal Knight of Islam AL BROOUN … may Allah protect him and guide him.
As for you AL ZUB (you Cock) if the Zionists have lied about one of the Brothers … and not any brother … for they claim that he is known to the ighest brothers of Hamas … why haAL BEEB not denied the story?
Verily you are a most pathetic and stupid Cock … not unlike AL ill&unt who we note also choses to keep his mouth shut …
I see the troll is still here?
Being a “proud lefty” hill@unt.
I suppose you must mull over the rantings of Chomsky over your 4.50 UKP café latte (and make that a free trade)….
However prey tell us which one of these is your pin up:
1.Uncle Joe
2.Lenin
3.Mao
4.Pol Pot
5.The Father and Son dynasty of Kim…
6.Castro
7.Marx
8.Redgrave
Or are you an “independent” lefty a la ALF or Rot Armee Faktion or SPK?
IiD:
Ted Nugent, d’accord.
He grits my butts. Or something…
hillhunt (ex BBC light programme)
Your protestations regarding support or lack of it for our troops are very weak.
Do you still have a bee in your bonnet that we did not give Germany equal coverage in WWII?
Deaths of German civilians every day dure to allied bombing and military action.
If the BBC were reporting it today they would oppose the war and call for withdrawal from the invasion of Germany in 1945.
After all they don’t agree with war for regime change however they ‘disapprove’ of the regime concerned and they oppose all civilian deaths whatever the circumstances.
hillhunt (BBC) : workers playtime it aint.
Anonymous:
AL ill&unt who we note also choses to keep his mouth shut .
For the record, I also wondered why fellow posters were willing to accept unattributed allegations in the JP over the flat denial of the BBC.
Also wondered why the Israelis were happy to let a “terrorist operative” wander round if he’s as bad as people appear to be suggesting….
Sounds like a smear job to me…
I see the clones are up in arms about how the BBC reports on a foreign soldier who just decides to rape somebody on London and try to explain it away as
“”Do you not think this could just be the normal, silly journalistic pre-occupation with other people’s occupations?”
Right lets see here is a news headline from India on today’s South Asian board.
Indian soldiers ‘paraded naked’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6243946.stm
Does it simply say soldiers then when you enter that story inform you in the second paragraph that the soldiers just happened to be Indian. No?
Here is a simple search done on the BBC under the word soldier. The first ten results
which correspond to the last two days of BBC reporting ensures the reader is informed just what nationality the soldier is except for number 2 which reports;
News – Soldier raped scientist at home
A soldier who posed as a plumber to rape a scientist in her home is told he faces a long prison sentence.
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?tab=ns&q=soldier&recipe=all&scope=all&edition=d
So tell me just why does the BBC promote the image that the ‘Soldier’ (by omission) is British. Could it be, that to the BBC we are not as worthy as say the Taliban whom the BBC gets all excited about just being in the same room.
P.S
Question to the clone, seen as you are the font of all knowledge could you be so kind as to inform me how just how long my new toy will keep a charge.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029995,49288721,00.htm
BaggieJ:
Playing the old WWII card, I see.
You might possibly think a land grab by a mighty neighbouring power who’d already laid waste much of Europe was a slightly different encounter from our engagements in recent years. National survival versus policing failed states, however hard the latter may have turned out to be…
Secondly, it’s a different world. Even if we could turn the BBC into a sentimental home-fires-burning parade of reassurance, rival media would swamp us with alternative versions.
Thirdly, most people prefer to know what’s going on, rather than what Army HQ – although I gather they’re known as “social-workers in uniform” to their chaps – or a truck-full of squaddies would prefer to tell them.
Hill@unt
“Ted Nugent, d’accord.”
Wow your knowledge of “right wing rock lords” just hints of the Jello Biafra/Micky D/De La Roche skool of “Nazi rockstars”….
Prahapes G.G Allen is more up your alley Popstar?
Nah……..I doubt it,he must be a Keane fan!!
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HillHunt (BBC): “For the record, I also wondered why fellow posters were willing to accept unattributed allegations in the JP over the flat denial of the BBC.”
The comments section of this blog is an exercise in free speech. Obviously this concept is difficult for you to grasp or appreciate. Try the Guido Fawkes blogsite and check out the moderation there….
The BBC is big enough and ugly enough to stand on its own two feet. It takes 3bn of our money and has the largest broadcast news operation in the world (strangely, for a nation of only 1% of the worlds population).
Biased BBC is under no obligation to run as a free-speech site. The BBC certainly doesn’t. The site could run on the basis of collecting emails on notable incidents of BBC bias and archiving them here with no comments permitted. Perhaps it would actually be more effective that way, with the bias categorised in terms of UK politics, racism, climate change, Israel, Islam, multi-culturalism, immigration and so on. It could then clearly show the difference between BBC reporting and other reports, and revisions of BBC reports that have been complained about, and comments on bias from the BBC itself. Maybe that would be more powerful.
It is not up to casual commenters to moderate ill-judged comments of other contributors. In any case, I suspect they would be more likely to do so if it were not for the fact that you seem to take particular delight in attacking the weakest part of the weakest comments posted whilst ignoring the issues raised on the front page. So much for your disengenuous claims to be a proud knight defending the honour of “Auntie” Beeb. Basically, you are doing the challenging so why would anyone else bother? It’s keeping both of you busy and out of the hair of the rest of us. So keep up the good work. The rest of us will post on issues that you seem to avoid discussing. It makes you look even less genuine than you do already.
Baggie…
“Playing the old WWII card, I see.”
Of course Hill@unt will now explain that Yesterdays far away land like Iraq can within a year become the “home front”. Of course being a “proud lefty” he forgets how the chattering classes sold out to the Nazi’s as well…….
pants:
Question to the clone, seen as you are the font of all knowledge could you be so kind as to inform me how just how long my new toy will keep a charge.
An iPod man myself, though am awaiting replacement of my recent purchase since it gave up the ghost in the middle of Groove Armada.
Trouble with Sonys is that horrible Sonic Stage software. Might turn you into a rage-filled beast. And you wouldn’t want that….
can someone please help … I have searched this page and the BBc website and there is no mention of the Hamas man employeed by the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/world/2007/alan_johnston/default.stm
Can Hilhunt, Nick Reynolds, or JR tell us his name. He is a friend to senior Hamas members so it shouldnt be too hard to identify him at Bush House or White City.
He shoudl be walking around with an AK-47, a face mask, a green bandana and a vest strapped to him.
It really shouldnt be too difficult to work out who he is … Nick, JR, Hillhunt … anyone????
@HillHunt (BBC):
I should point out that you have another useful purpose. At times when new input on the mainpage is slow, you keep the place really humming. By continually posting comments that are a breeze to challenge, you assure the site that its regular positive contributors will keep returning to do just that. Like I say, you are doing a great job. Keep it up.
BaggieJ:
Of course being a “proud lefty” he forgets how the chattering classes sold out to the Nazi’s as well…….
Seem to recall it was the forerunners of Mad Melanie Phillips’s employers at the Daily Mail who most wanted to get jiggy with der Fuhrer.
BaggieJ:
Apologies. Above should have been directed to IiD.
“Seem to recall it was the forerunners of Mad Melanie Phillips’s employers at the Daily Mail who most wanted to get jiggy with der Fuhrer.”
Given John Reith’s (the real one’s) admiration of the Nazis, you probably ought not to go there, hillhunt.
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The BBC clone writes;
An iPod man myself,
Why do clones have to follow the crowd?
Trouble with Sonys is that horrible Sonic Stage software.
Really, have you owned one. this is my third Sony. (My first I gave away to a friend as she was still on MD) My other is the NW-200. Which in a nut shell is fantastic simply because it is so ergonomic. I have never had a problem with SS, I’ll admit people have had problems with it. But myself no. Oh the main reason I pick the Sony over the Apple. All my files stay mine. (Don’t get converted to Apples propriety format) and the sound is far superior. It appears you pick your MP3 players on the same rules in which you pick your news. Strange as I would have thought the BBC would have all you clones buying the Zune. Well it is Microsoft based.
However I will concede defeat on the accessories front. Apple has the largest number of third party supporters going and for that reason I can see why so many people purchase the Apple.
Anon – it’s a bit early to have been on the beers, or do you always write like that?? Al-Beeb did deny the story as was made clear in the JP report??
“Top holidays read for this summer”
Is it not more stimulating and entertaining to read political views that you don’t wholly agree with to challenge your own views? Or even read a bit of decent literature instead?? I can thoroughly recommend ‘What’s Left’ but ‘Londonistan’ is unreadable dross.
The BBC is quick to blame the UK or US for any perceived failings.
But with Darfur they opt for phrases like “the failure of the world community”, but even then hinting that the US is the main failure.
As The Times foreign editor states –
It is impossible to put on more pressure through United Nations sanctions without the support of China. But China, which buys 65 per cent of Sudan’s oil production, and sells it weapons, has refused to back proposals for sanctions in the UN Security Council. It was encouraging that China took part in the Paris meeting • but it simply repeated its opposition. “Now is not the time to talk about further sanctions,” said Lu Giujin, China’s special envoy for Sudan. When Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary-General, said that China had played a “constructive role” in the process, and that he was “satisfied” with its contribution, he was being polite to the point of dissembling, or has standards which are inhumanely low.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/bronwen_maddox/article1991041.ece
Whereas the BBC’s report on the French initiative fails to include the word “China”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6235798.stm
pjf:
Given John Reith’s (the real one’s) admiration of the Nazis, you probably ought not to go there, hillhunt.
Point taken. Even an old socialist like George Bernard Shaw got tangled up with Eugenicists at one time, along with a legendary social reformer like Marie Stopes…
For the record, I also wondered why fellow posters were willing to accept unattributed allegations in the JP over the flat denial of the BBC.
More attribution than the BBC ever gave in their coverage of the “Israel planned Entebbe” story:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1182409649992&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Despite Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) opposition and per the request of the BBC, the coordinator of government activities allowed a Hamas member who works for the BBC to enter the Gaza Strip last week to assist in efforts to release kidnapped journalist Alan Johnston.
Defense officials told The Jerusalem Post that a week ago, a request came from the BBC asking that a Palestinian employee of the news company who is believed to be a close associate of senior Hamas officials be allowed to enter Gaza.
…
“We did not want to be blamed for holding up Johnston’s release,” one official said, explaining the decision to allow the Hamas member into Gaza.
“If we had rejected the request the British would be able to use our decision as an excuse for why Johnston is not being released.”
…
The decision to allow the BBC employee to enter Gaza was not the first time that Israel has bent its rules and allowed people believed to hold influence over Hamas into the Gaza Strip.
In April, Israel allowed a delegation of Arab diplomats and security officials from countries with which it does not have diplomatic relations – including Saudi Arabia – to enter Gaza on behalf of the British government.
Given the choice of the BBC, Shin Bet, or Israeli Defence officials I know who’s word I’d give more credence to, but then I’m neither impartial or a terrorist supporter.
You can’t find him anonymous for the good reason that he doesn’t exist. To quote the original story:
“We deny that our members are employees of Hamas,” Simon Wilson, Jerusalem’s BBC Bureau Chief told the Post.
In a statement, the BBC said, “Like all large international organizations, the BBC regularly seeks the assistance of the Israeli authorities in moving its Palestinian staff in and out of Gaza. The BBC does not employ anyone who is a member of Hamas or any other Palestinian faction.”
Really Hill@unt
How funny, but I was thinking of George Lansbury (ex-leader of the Labour Party) who went to visit Hitler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lansbury
Or the Bloomsbury Group who supported appeasement accusing Churchill of being a war-mongering extremist (acting rather like STWP today).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomsbury_group
Or the Soviet-Nazi Pact of 1939:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi-Soviet_pact
So long and thanks for all the fish…..
“The BBC does not employ anyone who is a member of Hamas or any other Palestinian faction.”
Nick Reynolds, would it not be more accurate to say that the BBC does not knowingly employ such persons? In an environment like Gaza, it must be difficult to tell.
The most I would say about this Hamas/BBC story is “developing”.
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The BBC does not employ anyone who is a member of Hamas or any other Palestinian faction.”
Nick Reynolds (BBC) | 27.06.07 – 11:51 am
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article715471.ece
There was the disturbing case of Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC Arabic Service correspondent, who addressed a Hamas rally on May 6, 2001, and was recorded declaring that journalists in Gaza, apparently including the BBC, were “waging the campaign shoulder to shoulder together with the Palestinian people”. Pressed for an explanation, the subsequent BBC statement said: “Fayad’s remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC.”
Nick Reynolds (BBC):
You can’t find him anonymous for the good reason that he doesn’t exist. To quote the original story:
He doesnt exist!? is that a fact. Then why doesn’t the BBC shout it from the roofs? Why doesnt it wheel out Fran Unsworth like it did when the WallStreet Journal made a far less damaging charge against the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/05/alan.html
Why does the BBC not challenge Jerusalem Post to name the man in question? The Jerusalem Post article is very specific in the man’s position in Hamas, his role in relation to Alan Johnston, his movemnets, and the source for their story. BBC issues a 2 sentance denial.
Perhaps Nick you should investigate a little further before giving us the party line.
“The BBC does not employ anyone who is a member of Hamas or any other Palestinian faction.”
Except Fayad Abu Shamala ( http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin/2004/12/hamas_preacher_.html ) and Sayed Abu Bowen head of the BBCPLO.
hillhunt (ex BBC light programme)
Playing the support this when it suits me oppose the same thing when it suits me card.
hillhunt (ex BBC): Not In My Back Yard
Hi Nick…
You would really think with Israel’s expertise in rescuing people (Entebbe for example) that you would be having a chat with the IDF.
Or have you burnt your bridges with them? If you have I can’t think why…..
But hey ho Nick, seeing as you are entrusting him to HAMAS, who I’m assured are “working hard to get AJ released”, that the proposed “military response” will teach the SAS a thing or two about hostage rescue….
Except Fayad Abu Shamala ( http://backspin.typepad.com/ back…_preacher_.html ) and Sayed Abu Bowen head of the BBCPLO.
or Azzam Tamimi a BBC regular on New24, Newsnight, QT, …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azzam_Tamimi
or
Abd al-Bari Atwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel-Bari_Atwan
THE BBC: WE ARE ALL HEZBOLLAH NOW & HAMAS!
“The BBC does not employ anyone who is a member of Hamas or any other Palestinian faction.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article715471.ece
There was the disturbing case of Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC Arabic Service correspondent, who addressed a Hamas rally on May 6, 2001, and was recorded declaring that journalists in Gaza, apparently including the BBC, were “waging the campaign shoulder to shoulder together with the Palestinian people”. Pressed for an explanation, the subsequent BBC statement said: “Fayad’s remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC.”
Yes they have.
Via Backspin
http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin/2007/06/bbc-employs-ham.html
Arnt you forgetting Janet Street Porter-a woman who said that the Maniac’s from Finsbury should be allowed to stay.
And Al Simpson-that man who “liberated” Kabul before the Americans “killed women and children”
Or the “brave” script writers for Robin Hood and the Iraq War….
So many Quislings-to little time to fisk
His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC.”
lets not forget he was a f%cking wizard with a Qassam rocket, and the things that boy could do to a captured Fathaman with a meat mallet.
Azzam Tamimi
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/azzam_tamimi/index.html
No surprise he is also featured in TASS (Guardian)….
Look like the BBC is getting itself into a bit of a tizz about this. Bowen has been telling us that Hamas is the legitimate elected administrator of Gaza but the rest of BBC News has been backed into “Hamas? God no, we wouldn’t dream of employing a terrorist!”
Someone needs a bloody good kick up their editorial line…..
And not forgetting Al Quds newspaper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Quds_Al-Arabi
Note that Al Beeb gives more time to a newspaper with a global circulation of 50,000 that to the Sun or Mail.
You can bet 22,000 copies are read by Beeboids……