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So what else is new?
Despite Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) opposition and per the request of the BBC, the coordinator of government activities allowed a Hamas member who works for the BBC to enter the Gaza Strip last week to assist in efforts to release kidnapped journalist Alan Johnston.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26019_Outrage-_BBC_Employs_Hamas_Terrorist&only
BBC biased towards Microsoft™®
EC threat to BBC over downloads
Ooops, hide that!
BBC web downloads set to launch
The Hamas Broadcasting Corporation
Bio
Now I was thinking it was the Irainian Broadcasting Corperation….
Trust the threads to get switched as I was posting.
BBC Finally Reports From Iran
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/1942040803175186263/#362581
will the editors of this blog ever get around to posting a thread about this “our man in HAMAS”
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1565
far more of interest to us than the numb skullingly boring Stalinite appointment of Da Brooun … it brought back stultifying memories of this chap’s accession
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andropov
come on B-BBC editors start an interesting thread.
Frankly who gives a Broounstuff if they cut into the handover to show Wimbeldon. Most here would rather watch grass grow.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=grass+grow&gbv=2
will the editors of this blog ever get around to posting a thread about this “our man in HAMAS”
Never mind that – when will they report on Nigel Wrench?
After 24 hours
HYS “Is the world failing Darfur?”
This debate is now closed.
Total comments:833Published comments:206Rejected comments:94
Oh dear! The comments blaming the US & Sudan’s lack of oil have been overwhelmed by the recommendation of posts pointing out the ignorance of the lefties whose only information comes from the BBC.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&threadID=6645&start=195&tstart=0&edition=1&ttl=20070627143507&#paginator
Get this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6243558.stm
Protesters
Mr Brown has singled out education and affordable housing as two of his key concerns on taking over as prime minister, but says the NHS is his “immediate priority”.
He has also admitted that Iraq is “a divisive issue for our party and our country” and pledged to “learn lessons that need to be learned”.
Once he leaves office, Mr Blair is expected to travel to his Sedgefield constituency, in the north east of England, on Wednesday evening to announce he is standing down as an MP after 24 years.
John Prescott is also stepping down from frontline politics after 10 years as deputy prime minister. It is not certain whether Mr Brown will appoint a replacement.
This paragraph says nothing about protestors
The BBC website clearly needs a sub-editor
HYS What fuels anti-Americanism?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6681&edition=1&ttl=20070627144801&#paginator
someone at the BBC needs to sack this woman …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/13/tv.shtml
the most reccomended comments are not showing sufficient signs of rightthink
“will the editors of this blog ever get around to posting a thread about this “our man in HAMAS””
doubt it. they are actually reasonable individuals who realise that accusations from the JP which have been denied by the BBC don’t carry a lot of weight. they’ll probably leave the nutters to babble on while focussing on real bias.
… accusations from the JP which have been denied by the BBC don’t carry a lot of weight.
THFC | 27.06.07 – 3:00 pm
You’re easily satisfied aren’t you!
BBC denies it – that’s OK then.
Hamas have given two deadlines to itself to free Alan Johnston and both deadlines have passed with Johnston still being fed to death.
Do you still believe Hamas when it issues statements?
If an Israeli defence official tells the JP something concerning Shin Bet and a BBC employer I believe it.
I have a feeling we haven’t heard the last of this, and I think you’ll be eating your words, and those of the BBC, before too long.
I’m guessing it’s beneath the BBC to respond to charges aired in the JP. Nope, they’re waiting for something really solid, like a 30 year old rumour from a junior diplomat:
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2007/06/hot-off-press-bbc-reports-that.html
Now, that’s solid reporting!
Of my 5 comments on (D)HYS only 1 has been published and that was about a non political thread on our great British coastline, none were actually specifically rejected they simply fell under the unpublished banner.
Against the odds to be random? Its a small sample but it would appear so.
I am now going to use a pseudonym and post using a different e-mail address 5 more times and see if I am published more often.
Lets put this BBC bias to the test, I know the result I am expecting.
Anyone care to place a wager that in those 5 I get published more than once?
Perhaps a few of you could do likewise posting as your pseudonyms here and using a different pseudonym. We will pool the results. They should be telling.
I will publish the results even if they support the BBC, though I do admit I expect the results to be damning.
Even the Beeboids will have to admit bias in this case.
That said I’m sure hillhunt (BBC) will find a way to post support for the BBC even then, for him its BBC right or wrong, he just can’t help himself.
hillhunt (BBC) – politics BBC, religion BBC, nationality BBC…
bbc story
Youth stabbed to death in street
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6243756.stm
Daily Mail story
Boy, 14, ‘stabbed to death for mobile phone’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464699&in_page_id=1770
Now guess what the bbc leave out? Well this..
“They said he had been attacked by a group of about five black boys on bicycles. All he had on him was his mobile phone
If a 14 year old had been stabbed by five white youths, do you think they would have mentioned the race of the attackers?? Of course they would have.
I’m surprised there isn’t a thread on the BBC Hamas employee.
I’m pretty sure HE is biased.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/
Extraordinary. Gob-smackingly spine-chillingly hair-raisingly extraordinary.
Not bias, and yes, it’s only a blog, but is this the best that the top journalist of the £3bn broadcaster can manage?
anonymous:
Now guess what the bbc leave out? Well this..
“They said he had been attacked by a group of about five black boys on bicycles. All he had on him was his mobile phone
Try reading the stories and working out what the journalists knew as they typed.
The BBC piece was written before the victim’s ID was confirmed. They quote the police: “We are in the process of informing his next of kin”
The Mail’s was after ID was confirmed and the detail of the race of the alleged attackers comes from a quote from the boy’s mother.
What you are seeing is two stories at different stages. Try not to judge until the whole thing pans out…
The indefensible BBC poll tax (AKA licence fee)
“80 per cent of the people they (the BBC in the form of the TVLA) do prosecute are single mothers on benefits.”
Even the most ardent beeboids struggle to defend this, except perhaps hillhunt (BBC), he’ll come up with something desperate, for him the BBC can do no wrong.
What you are seeing is two stories at different stages. Try not to judge until the whole thing pans out…
hillhunt | 27.06.07 – 3:45 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464699&in_page_id=1770
Last updated at 14:00pm on 27th June 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6243756.stm
Last Updated: Wednesday, 27 June 2007, 13:05 GMT 14:05 UK
The little hand was on the “2” and the big hand was on the “5”, that’s 5 minutes after the Mail’s story.
I’d bet the BBC story will not be updated further.
The Mail’s was after ID was confirmed and the detail of the race of the alleged attackers comes from a quote from the boy’s mother.
hillhunt | 27.06.07 – 3:45 pm
Wrong again. The quote comes from the police:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464699&in_page_id=1770
Police officers visited the family at 1am today and told Mrs Dinnegan her son had been murdered by robbers, she said.
“They said he had been attacked by a group of about five black boys on bicycles. All he had on him was his mobile phone and his wallet with a few pounds in it. It is such a waste.”
“Filtering the news hillhunt doesn’t want you to know: it’s what we do.”
Biodegradababble:
The little hand was on the “2” and the big hand was on the “5”, that’s 5 minutes after the Mail’s story.
Y-e-e-e-s but
(1) Time stamps can be deceptive as several posters have pointed out over different issues
(2) The question is what the writer actually knew as they typed, as I pointed out above. The Mail piece makes it clear that the Mail knew ID had been confirmed and the mother interviewed. The BBC piece was written, as it said, before ID was confirmed.
Can you think of a good reason why the BBC writer would say ID was still unconfirmed if it were not true?
Biodegradabble:
Wrong again. The quote comes from the police:
Police officers visited the family at 1am today and told Mrs Dinnegan her son had been murdered by robbers, she said.
“They said he had been attacked by a group of about five black boys on bicycles. All he had on him was his mobile phone and his wallet with a few pounds in it. It is such a waste.”
Afraid not. The quotes around the second para follow the words “she said” immediately above. This means it is a continuing quote. The “she” is quite clearly the poor boy’s mother.
Try not to be so desperate to turn an appalling personal tragedy into a stick to beat a third party – the BBC – with….
Police officers visited the family at 1am today and told Mrs Dinnegan…
“They [the police] said he had been attacked by a group of about five black boys on bicycles.
The “she” is quite clearly the poor boy’s mother.
hillhunt | 27.06.07 – 4:15 pm
And she is quoting the police – giving information they gave her at 1am.
illc*nt: suddenly desperate to be touched by somebody else’s appalling tragedy when he runs out of arguments.
biodegradababble:
And she is quoting the police – giving information they gave her at 1am.
It’s still a quote from his mother. There’s no evidence that the police had released this information to the media, and specifically the BBC, at the point at which the BBC published their story.
You don’t think there might be something ghoulish about you picking over the semantics of a sad news story just to get a thrill from bashing the Beeb?
Once again we must ask ourselves, “who should we believe, the BBC, the IDF, or Hamas?”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6243974.stm
In Khan Yunis, two Islamic Jihad members were killed in clashes with Israeli troops and a Hamas fighter died in an apparent explosive mishandling incident.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
By STEVE WEIZMAN, Associated Press Writer
Two more Palestinians died in other violence. In Khan Younis, a Hamas militant was killed while mishandling explosives, and a senior Islamic Jihad member was killed in what Palestinians said was an airstrike. Israel, which usually acknowledges airstrikes, denied involvement.
Confusing isn’t it?
One man’s terrorist is Jeremy Bowen’s “freedom fighter”
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
The BBC, its hatred of America and shoddy reporting
Chavez seeks support from Russia trip
Venezuela’s close relations with Russia are an example of President Hugo Chavez’s quest to minimise Washington’s influence in the world, especially in Latin America.
While at home Mr Chavez has concentrated on building a socialist republic, when it comes to international relations his main objective has been to push for a multi-polar world.
……………..
Venezuela had previously tried to buy fighter planes from Spain and Brazil, but Washington blocked the sale because the aircraft used American technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6245984.stm
Fighter planes BBC. Here lets have a look at those so called fighter planes whose sale to Venezuela the US help scupper.
Spain agrees Venezuela arms deal
But the most controversial is the sale of Spanish coastal patrol vessels and C-295 transport planes to the Venezuelan military.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4395873.stm
C-295 transport plane? Here is what it looks like;
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/c295/images/C-295_4.jpg
Chavez angry with US over jet row
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has accused the United States of blocking a purchase of training jets from Brazil. Mr Chavez said Washington stopped the deal with the Brazilian aviation company, Embraer, because the planes contained protected US technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4600808.stm
Training jets from Embraer? Here is what it is and looks like;
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/super_tucano/
I think you will find BBC that Chavez went to the US first in which to keep his fleet of F16 flying. (Mind you I did like this snippet from the BBC about the F16 jet .
the president also repeated accusations that Washington was blocking the supply of spare parts for Venezuela’s aging F-16 fighter fleet. Aging. I’ll remember that quote the next time I see the BBC write an article on how the IDFs aging fleet of F16s knock off another Hamas Terrorist.) But on not getting the support he demanded from the country he berates (with the BBCs help) on a daily basis he bought a number of aging Mig 29 (its only 3 years younger than the F16 it replaces)in which to stick his fingers up at the US. Now they BBC are fighter planes the Spanish C295 and the Brazilian EMB-314 Super Tucano are not.
The BBC, its hatred of America and shoddy reporting
The above was me
You don’t think there might be something ghoulish about you picking over the semantics of a badly reported news story…?
Spare me the crocodile tears. You’ve proved time and again that you are an inhuman piece of sh*t.
That’s all the troll food you’ll get from me today illc*nt. You’re only interested in getting attention and diverting the thread, any thread.
Go boil your head!
Biodegradababble:
You’re only interested in getting attention and diverting the thread, any thread.
My posts about the Islington murder were about not passing judgement too quickly on a running news story, and not trying to capitalise on a raw tragedy to score points against a third party.
Feel free to see that as getting attention.
From your constant postings about the iniquities of Palestinians in particular and Muslims in general, I’d say it was typical of your m.o. to characterise those you dislike as inhuman pieces of shit.
So I’ll try not to take it personally.
BioD
The crocodile tears of the cafe latte brigade are no more welcome than the other ‘human’ aspects of the Nu Left.
Hill@unt has spent most of his working life leaching of the misery of others-that’s why he worked for the BBC.
Of course they are all “moved” by Pallywood fodder-shame they don’t stick around when real facism comes calling.
Afterall in Hill@unt’s little world Maggie “Milksnatcher” Thatcher was the most evil person this side of Nixon.
“How dare she allow the plebs to buy their own council homes” they whispered while sipping nettle tea with their Stazi handlers up at Greenham Common…
BBC clone writes;
“So I’ll try not to take it personally.”
So you admit to being a Plumber then do you. If that is so why are you on the net. I’m sure the pure ones who the BBC drool over (The Taliban/Hamas/Hezbollah) ban the use of the net. Shame on you BBC clone. I’ll suppose you’ll admit to drinking alcohol next… But then whats new from the camp of the BBC/liberal/Muslim camp.
So I’ll try not to take it personally.
hillhunt | 27.06.07 – 5:07 pm
Please do take it personally.
My comments on the news story do not “capitalise on tragedy”, they rely on the difference in facts as reported by the BBC and the Mail.
You have shown yourself time and again to be a heartless bastard, it is you who is now using a tragedy for your own ends, but you can’t fool me.
Now please do GFY
Dear oh dear HillHunt (BBC). Are they stooping to entangle themselves in an raw story to score cheap points? Perhaps, then, you should have been a little less hypocritical when you started trying to score points back using the very same story.
Anyway – the BBC still haven’t updated this “running story” and its 5pm. Perhaps they knock-off at 2pm on a Wednesday. Half-day closing? 10 times the news staff of the Mail and can’t update a running story after 3 hours.
IiD:
Excellent analysis, apart from this bit:
Hill@unt has spent most of his working life leaching of the misery of others-that’s why he worked for the BBC.
Never worked for the BBC, as I keep saying…
pounce:
So you admit to being a Plumber then do you. If that is so why are you on the net. I’m sure the pure ones who the BBC drool over (The Taliban/Hamas/Hezbollah) ban the use of the net.
Plumber? Tried to fix a broken tap this morning, but without success, so…no.
Perhaps you are implying a closeness to the Koran. Think I’ve also made my dislike for all men in dresses claiming a connection with deities quite clear.
Look Hillhunt, I’ve found your homepage.
here
The latest BBC on Martin Dinnegan:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6245630.stm
Sorry HH – I thought your point made at the time was OK, but there’s still quite a contrast here. This is definitely post-ID.
UV’s link contains some dodgy stuff computerwise – don’t go there please.
UV, you are one weird kid.
Police are looking for witnesses. We have to hope the witnesses get their news from the Mail since there is precious little info on the BBC website.
The mother knew of her sons death at the time of it happening, so we can assume that formal identification didn’t take long. The police visited her to give more details at 1am. No surpise that by 2pm the Mail had the complete story. They had interviews with the police, witnesses on the scene, friends, teacher and the mother. They also had pictures and a link to Crimestoppers.
John Reith was telling us yesterday that it was OK for the BBC to release a story half finished and then update it 6 times in a day to get it complete. Here we have a story that has taken all day to update and it still isn’t complete. 10 times the staff of the Daily Mail….
To be fair the Times also doesn’t say “black”:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1995483.ece
Post-ID.
Jonathan (Cambridge) | 27.06.07 – 5:55 pm
To be even fairer none of the local press, or any other coverage I’ve found googling the victim’s name does either – but that still doesn’t excuse the BBC’s delay in updating it’s report – £3.5bn for a news organisation that’s slower than the Irish Times.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0627/breaking71.htm
Or as my mother-in-law used to say, “slower than the baddy’s horse”.
Fatuosity at its most awesome:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6244696.stm
The point was hh that if a black youth had been killed by white yobs it would have reported differently, probably as a racist murder and maybe as the main news item. However as we know some murders don’t fit the agenda, like the one going on in Blackpool at the moment involving child grooming and possible canablism. Do you not think the bbc could send a reporter up there and give us updates?
Having established that there are double standards in the reporting of racial crime (for want of a better phrase) you have to ask yourself the question – why do they have these double standards?
bijan daneshmand:
The BBC has a number of categories for HYS comments. My belief is that the ‘moderators’ (I refer to them as censors), abuse their own ‘awaiting moderation’ category to avoid publishing comments that don’t fit with their biased institutionalised political views but also cannot be ‘rejected’ because they don’t break house rules. So I believe that when the overwhelming view is contrary to the BBC’s biased views they simply leave the comments in ‘awaiting moderation’ and then when the debate is closed move them to the ‘unpublished’ on the grounds that the debate is closed.
A comment on “Your view” in the Telegraph on line.
“Driving back from a meeting just now I listened to Matthew Bannister’s phone in show on Radio Five (forgot to bring any CDs with me – damn!), which was full of a succession of glowing eulogies to TB, plus one or two which criticised him for the Iraq war (which, no doubt, the BBC will cite as evidence of their impartiality). In a whole hour there was only one caller who criticised Blair from the right on his economic legacy: a lady from Staffordshire who was confused, inarticulate and contradicted herself, no doubt chosen by the programme’s editor to ridicule any attempt to criticise Blair from a right-of-centre perspective.
What was striking about the callers was that most of them sounded like they were in the 40-60 age bracket (and most were also public sector professionals), and were stressing how much their life had improved under Blair – the price of their house was improving, they had a posh new car, they went on three holidays a year and had just got their cataracts done on the NHS. Oh, and of course, compare that to the dark days of the Thatcher ‘regime’.
Bannister and/or the programme’s editor had clearly decided to airbrush out of existence the millions of 20-40 year old professionals who will be paying off debts for the first 15 years of their economically active life, may never be able to own their own homes, will probably be taxed out of car ownership before long, will have to live with a much reduced NHS by the time they reach old age, will be lucky to be able to afford any holidays and will have to go on working into their 70s.”
Biodegradable:
Once again we must ask ourselves, “who should we believe, the BBC, the IDF, or Hamas?”
Biodegradable | 27.06.07 – 4:50 pm |
Why draw a distinction between the BBC and Hamas?
meggoman:
So I believe that when the overwhelming view is contrary to the BBC’s biased views they simply leave the comments in ‘awaiting moderation’ and then when the debate is closed move them to the ‘unpublished’ on the grounds that the debate is closed.
meggoman | 27.06.07 – 7:45 pm
Its impressive Meggo that even with all their skewing to fit their bias and inspite its endless propaganda the BBC still hasnt managed to shift peoles opinions around to their biased view points.
Its impressive Meggo that even with all their skewing to fit their bias and inspite its endless propaganda the BBC still hasnt managed to shift peoles opinions around to their biased view points. And yet Marcus Brigstocke still has a career. Rough justice or what?
hillhunt:
IiD:
Excellent analysis, apart from this bit:
Hill@unt has spent most of his working life leaching of the misery of others-that’s why he worked for the BBC.
Never worked for the BBC, as I keep saying…
hillhunt | 27.06.07 – 5:24 pm |
wait a minute … didnt Nick Reynolds (BBC) make it clear!
today’s objective was to deny that you worked for Hamas …
get with the program ill@unt ….