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Biodegradable | 28.06.07 – 5:30 pm | #
I’ll bookmark that one.
From that site
http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=9799
Strange how the BBC can go on endlessly about those poor people in Guantanomo. Yet what did we hear of the 8 women who were awaiting their stoning?
Is it just me or does anyone find it amusing/backward that she got 15 years in prison for murder but got stoned to death for adultery????
Will writes:
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Perhaps a clue to answering Ms Philips questions as listed by Ian Infidel is the appointment of Malloch Brown to the Brown cabinet.”
Oh, good grief – has he? That’ll teach me to rely on the BBC website for a quick overview.
If he’d appointed that idiot tea-boy I’d have said it was a sad day for the nation. But if he’s actually got a proper job, we’re beyond all hope.
Jo “Is it just me or does anyone find it amusing/backward that she got 15 years in prison for murder but got stoned to death for adultery????”
Speaking for myself, I don’t find it amusing at all.
Not so with Muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom are committed, peaceably, to a faith they believe to be the word of God.
hillhunt | 28.06.07 – 4:44 pm
I find all this rather more overwhelming:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
6/28/07 ( Yala, Thailand ) – Two teenagers are shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
6/28/07 ( Kabul, Afghanistan ) – Two American civilians are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
6/28/07 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) – Islamic terrorists target a security convoy along a busy road, killing two members.
6/27/07 ( Mosul, Iraq ) – Two Christians are murdered by Sunni radicals.
6/27/07 ( El-Berde, Somalia ) – Two humanitarian workers, one a doctor, are brutally gunned down.
6/27/07 ( Mogadishu, Somalia ) – Two civilians are killed when Muslim terrorists toss a grenaded into a market.
Weekly Jihad Report Jun 16 – Jun. 22
Jihad Attacks: 53
Dead Bodies: 345
Critically Injured: 359
See also: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm
Thom Boston | 28.06.07 – 5:49 pm | #
Come on Thom, you must have smiled at something that you thought absurd/obscene. Like when you first watched Evil Dead II.
Maybe ‘amusing’ is the wrong choice of word. I’m not sure I can think of the correct word in this situation. Maybe you can?
Also, will you admit you’re an “inferrer”.
Jo:
Strange how the BBC can go on endlessly about those poor people in Guantanomo. Yet what did we hear of the 8 women who were awaiting their stoning?
Not sure the BBC does go on endlessly about Gitmo, but…
Gitmo is run by our principal ally in the War on Terror; a govenrment on whom we have considerable influence. Iranian courts are run by people with whom we have notoriously volatile relations.
Both the UK and the USA stand for the rule of law. Gitmo operates outside the rule of law.
Iran places an emphasis on sharia law. We do not, and have limited influence of their functioning in Iran or anywhere else.
Thom Boston | 28.06.07 – 5:49 pm | #
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick again or you’ve inferred wrongly.
The woman being killed isn’t amusing (which is why I pointed it out even though the BBC doesn’t).
The difference in sentencing is amusing.
Hope that clarifies it.
hillhunt | 28.06.07 – 6:01 pm | #
You really are getting desperate now.
a government on whom we have considerable influence
By ‘we’ do you mean the BBC?
Both the UK and the USA stand for the rule of law. Gitmo operates outside the rule of law.
hillhunt | 28.06.07 – 6:01 pm
And all Gitmo detainees are innocent and should be freed?
Russia: Ex-Guantanamo detainee killed
The Religion of car bombs and Head Choppers:
BAGHDAD – A car bomb killed 25 people on Thursday at a busy intersection in Baghdad where minibuses pick up and drop off passengers, while 20 beheaded bodies were found on a river bank south of the capital, Iraqi police said.
Bombs kill 34 in Baghdad, 3 UK troops in Basra
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2007/June/focusoniraq_June136.xml§ion=focusoniraq
Biodegradababble:
Did I miss something? Have we abolished the rule of law?
Italian arrested in Spain for suspected kidnapping of missing Madeleine, El Pais Web site 5:51pm BST
More to follow . . .
Have we abolished the rule of law?
hillhunt | 28.06.07 – 6:20 pm
You’re using the Royal “we” a lot today.
Since the thread on this topic seems to have died out, I’m mentioning this here. The CBBC article about Bin Laden was altered sometime between late last night and this afternoon (change in bold):
“He also dislikes America because he thinks the US helped the people he insists on describing as the enemies of his religion – the Israeli Jews – during wars in the Middle East.”
Technically it’s a stealth edit, I supposed, as there is no time stamp to begin with. But I don’t care. There’s still plenty wrong the article, but they no longer teach British children – or immigrants to Britain – that Israeli Jews are the enemies of Islam. Small progress, but it’s ripples in the pond.
David Preiser | 28.06.07 – 6:29 pm
Well done!
B-BBC detractors should note that we do have an effect.
Italian arrested in Spain for suspected kidnapping of missing Madeleine, El Pais Web site 5:51pm BST
More to follow . . .
Ian Infidel | 28.06.07 – 6:21 pm
BBC are covering it now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6251266.stm
El Mundo has more info than than El Pais or BBC.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/28/internacional/1183050448.html
Maybe Dr David Gregory (BBC) will be the last real scientific correspondent for the Beeb if this physics teacher is right about the dumbing down of the physical sciences. For physics read “social science”.
“A paper question asked: `Why must we develop renewable energy sources?’ This is a political question. Worse yet, a political statement. I’m not saying I disagree with it, just that it has no place on a physics GCSE paper.
Pupils are taught to poke holes in scientific experiments, to constantly find what is wrong. However, never are the pupils given ways to determine when an experiment is reliable, to know when an experiment yields information about the world that we can trust. This encourages the belief that all quantitative data is unreliable and untrustworthy. Some of my pupils, after a year of the course, have gone from scientifically minded individuals to thinking, “It’s not possible to know anything, so why bother?” Combining distrust of scientific evidence with debates won on style and presentation alone is an unnerving trend that will lead society astray.”
http://www.wellingtongrey.net/articles/archive/2007-06-07–open-letter-aqa.html
No doubt this is served with a large helping of the writings of Al Gore.
The BBC, its hatred of the United Kingdom and half a story.
Queen reveals Royal spending bill
The Queen has published her annual public accounts revealing how taxpayers’ money is spent by members of the Royal Family. The documents show that the royals cost £37.3m last year – the equivalent of 62p per UK taxpayer – and 0.3% less than in 2005-6. The figures include £1.1m on hospitality and £2.2m on helicopters.
Republic, the campaign for an elected head of state, said £37m was “fantasy” and claimed the real figure was £150m. Campaign manager Graham Smith said the Royal Family had not included security costs or tax breaks in their calculation.
“This blatant spin would put Alastair Campbell to shame,” said Mr Smith.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6248072.stm
So the BBC promotes the news story about just how much the Queen costs us.(A lot cheaper than the BBC at 62p) and then in typical BBC fashion bring out somebody to tell it from the other side of the story. Yes Graham Smith from Republic accuses information from the Royal Household as ‘Spin and claims the real figure is £150m.
Which is funny as neither that reprobate or the BBC mention the fact that the Queen surrenders all of the income from the Royal Estates to the Tax man which for 2005-6 came in at £188 million. Now where did I get that information?
From here;
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page6006.asp
The BBC, its hatred of the United Kingdom and half a story.
Jon
If the physics paper is bad then the geography exam is much worse then a far leftist propaganda rag written on green recycled paper.
This MMCO2 = GW thing has more invested in it then our young could ever calculate on a their pocket calculators. So as far as the authoritarian right and left of the world is concerned it just HAS to be true, whether it is or not.
I mean can you actually imagine Al Gore never mind the BBC coming out and admitting that countless billions if not trillions have been wasted on nothing more then chattering class BBC bullshit?
Well done, Mr Preiser. I have updated the relevant post.
£3 billion, was the figure we’re charged for this amateurish, partisan nonsense, wasn’t it?
GCooper | 28.06.07 – 5:21 pm | #
And the programme was downhill all the way after that – complete with genuflecting before Sean Woodward and laying into George Osborne as if he had just formed a new government. Bias what bias? There are some good criticisms on the PM blogsite:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2007/06/the_glass_box_for_thursday_7.shtml#comments
HillHunt says that Gitmo operates outside the rule of law.
Yeah..there is no law for dealing with islamic terrorists who target civilians and use human shields but don’t wear uniforms and have no nation that can be held to account (unless you count the ever-broiling ummah).
It might help if the UN (or even the BBC) could get its act together to define terrorists as people who deliberately target civilians.
As for the BNP being more Nazi inspired than muslims, I think you have to get out more.
1)One of the best-sellers amongst muslims is ‘Jihadi’ (a translation from the original German meaning ‘Mein Kampf’ – the author’s name escapes me).
2) The constant reference to infidels and Jews as unclean pigs/apes/etc from mosques in the Middle-East.
3) The lineal descent of “Don’t cry for me Babs and Orla” Arafat from the original Jew-hating, Nazi-ally Mufti of Jerusalme.
4) Holocaust denial conferences in Tehran.
5) The must-see TV of the Middle-East: Protocols of the Elders of Zion
6) The shelved EU report on rising, anti-semitic attacks by muslims in Europe
7) The refusal of the MCB to attend Holocaust Day
8) The widespread, incongruent beliefs, according to polls of muslims, that a) 9/11 was done by the Jooos AND b)Osama bin Laden is a hero for 9/11
The Nazis, let alone the BNP, had nothing on the irrational racism and pathology of modern muslims. Do you honestly think that if a nuke went off in Tel Aviv tomorrow that there would be anything but street parties throughout the muslim world?
Hillhunt: BBC – unbiased, Islam – peaceful, the Earth – flat
garypowell – i think its right across the curriculum.
On the subject of science.
“The study by the United Nations University suggests climate change is making desertification “the greatest environmental challenge of our times”.
If action is not taken, the report warns that some 50 million people could be displaced within the next 10 years.
The study was produced by more than 200 experts from 25 countries.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6247802.stm
This is another “greatest environmental challenge of our time” piece.
Notice “The study was produced by more than 200 experts”
This time they don’t use the term “scientists” – and who are these “experts” is anyones guess. Not one single viewpoint from anyone who may question the research (most research is usually questioned from some scientist or other) – but no its from the UN University so it must be true. And just so the BBC can get some human interest from the “people” it follows the piece with this.
“Have you been affected by desertification? Do you think it is one of the greatest environmental challenges of our time? Send us your comments using the form below:”
How do they get these figures – well there is probably a range of figures quoted but the most dramatic is always reported.
“The pattern is always the same. The significance of individual events is turned into material suitable for media presentation and is then cleverly dramatized. When the outlook for the future is discussed, the scenario that predicts the highest growth rates for greenhouse gas emissions — which, of course, comes with the most dramatic climatic consequences — is always selected from among all possible scenarios. Those predicting significantly smaller increases in greenhouse gas levels are not mentioned.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,342376,00.html
Maybe this is why science is being dumbed down.
“England’s secondary schools are going to be rated on the proportion of pupils getting two science GCSEs at grade C or above, in this year’s league tables.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6242638.stm
Pupils will now be able to get their answers from here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/default.stm
The BBC, Murder most foul and 1/7th of the story.
A court in the north Italian city of Brescia has begun hearing the case against a Pakistani immigrant accused of having killed his own daughter. It is alleged he did so because she had become too Western in her dress and manners. It could be the first case of “honour killing” in modern Italy. Hina Saleem, 20, had worked as a waitress. She had an Italian boyfriend and wore Western clothes and make-up. Police found blood all over her bedroom at the family home last August. Police also found her body in a shallow grave. Her throat had been slit. Prosecutors believe her father killed her after discussing the matter at a council of male family members because she refused to change her ways and return to Pakistan for an arranged marriage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6251046.stm
Typical BBC whitewash of how a beautiful young girl with everything to live for may have been partly to blame for her own execution. Here is how the Guardian reported it last year
‘See you soon,’ chirped Hina Saleem to her boyfriend Beppe Tampini, after receiving a phone call from her father. ‘I won’t be late.’ She also informed her boss, Grumail Multani, at the Pizzeria Antica India where she worked in the northern Italian city of Brescia: ‘Some relatives have arrived from France – with presents! I must greet them, but I won’t be late for work.’ During the hours that followed, both Beppe and Multani tried to call the 21-year-old on her mobile – without success. The call home had been a trap: Hina’s father, aided by three male relatives, had cut his own daughter’s throat, after a family council condemned her to death for her liaison with Tampini, a local carpenter.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1932050,00.html
Here is the Pakistani version of that story
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/17/top10.htm
A slightly different version from the bland one written by the BBC. But it gets worse. For some strange reason the BBC omit what transpired during the next 17 days in that small Italian city (Pop 192,165 ) amongst its immigrant population;
Within 17 days, another six people had been killed across the city, some murders so savage as to defy the imagination. A 23-year-old woman was strangled to death in a church by the sacristan, from Sri Lanka, while trying to light a candle to the Madonna – her corpse hidden behind a pulpit while Mass continued over two days. Next day, a renowned Lombard painter was stabbed to death by a youth from Morocco, whom he had admitted into his home. A Pakistani man was knifed to death in the street and an entire family – father, mother and son – was ritually tortured and executed, the woman and child having their throats cut in front of the father who was left to die slowly from a slash to his own throat.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1932050,00.html
The BBC, Murder most foul and 1/7th of the story.
Jon: I’ve seen that website. It’s deeply depressing.
But I have done stories about Science teachers going the extra mile to really inspire children. There’s a fantastic Chemistry teacher who gets his pupils and those from surrounding schools to do PhD level research. They’re working on creating a generic, non-patented version of popular asthma drugs. The aim to give the formula to drug companies in the third world so they can manufacture cheaper alternatives to drugs like salbutomol.
David Gregory (BBC) “They’re working on creating a generic, non-patented version of popular asthma drugs. The aim to give the formula to drug companies in the third world so they can manufacture cheaper alternatives to drugs like salbutomol.”
Yes that does seem like a very good chemistry teacher, and I really don’t want to take anything away from what must be a very interesting project – but a bit of “social engineering” does seem to be involved or am I being a bit too cynical for my own good (maybe its my age).
David Gregory writes:
“There’s a fantastic Chemistry teacher who gets his pupils and those from surrounding schools to do PhD level research. They’re working on creating a generic, non-patented version of popular asthma drugs. The aim to give the formula to drug companies in the third world so they can manufacture cheaper alternatives to drugs like salbutomol.”
Perhaps unconsciously, though, that makes just the point, doesn’t it?
Praiseworthy or not, it is undoubtedly work with a deeply political message.
Natalie & BioD,
Cheers. It’s just the kiddie site, granted. But at least it’s a small step in the right direction, and evidence of sloppy editorial policies and highly questionable hiring practices. One is forced to wonder just how far these might extend into other departments.
If nothing else, maybe when those responsible for the original articles move on to the adult section of the BBC, they’ll remember what they learned from this experience. Hope springs eternal.
“August to September 1977 United Nations Conference on Desertification (UNCOD) held in Nairobi, Kenya: Desertification addressed as a worldwide problem for the first time and a Plan of Action to Combat Desertification (PACD) adopted”
So much for the “plan of action”.
Link to all the work being done by the glorious UN. http://www.unccd.entico.com/english/important-dates.htm
Why no in depth analysis on the BBC of Malloch Brown and his very close links (including staying for a reduced rent in a house owned by) George Soros the twit who cost us billions by his disruption of currency markets some years ago and who continues to try to usurp democratic governments that he deems unworthy? M-B is the guy who lead the charge against Wolfie at the World Bank as he tried to get Wolfie’s job. He also covered up massive corruption at UNDP especially the North Korean department as well as the Oil for Food scandal. Very tainted man with very dodgy links to dodgy people all round.
Very worrying – wonder if Soros has been donating money to Brown and his Smith Institute….?
“The aim to give the formula to drug companies in the third world so they can manufacture cheaper alternatives to drugs like salbutomol”
I have no problem with inspiring children to do exciting chemistry, but the social engineering is very twee and deeply flawed. It is quite possible for the children to come up with a molecule that might have the potential to help with asthma, and no they do not need to patent it, and yes they could give it to a third world country and no it wouldn’t allow them to make cheap drugs because there is an extremely large and multimillion pound hole still left in the development pathway.
The most expensive part of producing a novel medicine is not the research but the development, the 8-10 years worth of painstaking work necessary in drug metabolism and pharmacokinetics, toxicology, process and drug development before you can even start into the three phases of clinical trials, to demonstrate acute safety (does it unexpectedly kill volunteers), efficacy (does the wretched thing actually work on real patients) and chronic safety (does it produce niggling side effects that get our legal friends dreadfully excited)
I don’t see the average comprehensive school finding the $800m dollars necessary so that the drug “can be made cheaply”
“I have to say I was under the impression that health and safety stopped teachers doing exciting experiments any more.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/coventry_warwickshire/6458175.stm
Maybe I am being a bit hard on teachers of science – when it is not their fault. The dumbing down seems to be more from government than the schools and universities. So in their desperation to keep “science ” on the curriculum (and attract government funding) they have to take on the environmentalist angle. This is what seems to be happening not only in schools but in science research in general – peddle the governments’ line and the money will follow.
Also as David Gregory points out Health and Safety also has some blame attached. Although David is more optimistic than I am.
“There is new cash for teaching but the £100m cost of bailing out Rover has come out of the research budget for science this year and that has led to cuts.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/coventry_warwickshire/6458175.stm
I hope your prophesy is true
“Chemistry is often called the Cinderella science, but after this week I think I’m convinced she is back in the spotlight and set to stay there.”
But here to stay at what price to “real science”?
Very tainted man with very dodgy links to dodgy people all round.
Very worrying – wonder if Soros has been donating money to Brown and his Smith Institute….?
dave t | Homepage | 28.06.07 – 9:05 pm | #
He’s also a BBC favourite – regularly showing up on Today for sicko-phantic interviews.
David Preiser | 28.06.07 – 6:29 pm |
“He also dislikes America because he thinks the US helped the people he insists on describing as the enemies of his religion – the Israeli Jews – during wars in the Middle East.”
Well done sir.
Still I disagree with you that “they no longer teach British children – or immigrants to Britain – that Israeli Jews are the enemies of Islam.”
However qualifiers they insert before ‘Israeli Jews’, this statement is not accurate and knowingly ignores all of his other many grievances. It singles out only Jews and Israel. I don’t know how many kids will notice the nuances of this weasel lawyer’s language.
From OBL’s declaration of war (his notorious fatwa): It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn’t respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its’ allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves.
The people of Islam awakened and realised that they are the main target for the aggression of the Zionist-Crusaders alliance. All false claims and propaganda about “Human Rights” were hammered down and exposed by the massacres that took place against the Muslims in every part of the world.
The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (*@&^#) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places [i.e Saudi Arabia]…
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Looks like his Muslim brothers suffer in other parts of the world as well.
The BBC singles out only one.
Europeans Have to Stop Talking. They Have to Act
Brussels Journal..In March this year, native Dutch residents of the city of Utrecht rioted to protest against harassment by Muslim youths and government inaction to stop this. The authorities immediately suppressed the riots by sealing off the area and installing surveillance cameras to control Dutch non-Muslims, but they have done virtually nothing to address the underlying problem of Muslim violence. And this is far from unique to the Netherlands.
Continued
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2223
If this GCSE topic is not political I’ll eat my hat.
Topic: Environmental chemistry
“Teachers Notes
Fostering a shared understanding of the nature of climate change, and its consequences, is critical in shaping behaviour, as well as in underpinning national and international action. Governments can be a catalyst for dialogue through evidence, education, persuasion and discussion. Educating those currently at school about climate change will help to shape and sustain future policy-making, and a broad public and international debate will support today’s policy-makers in taking strong action now.”
http://www.upd8.org.uk/activity/189/Our-atmosphere-the-hottest-investment-on-the-Planet.html
Last post was me
Stories the BBC don’t tell you:
3 years after first Qassam deaths, injured guard relives the trauma
Three years ago today, the first two people to be killed by Qassam rockets – three-year-old Afik Zahavi-Ohayun and 49-year-old Mordechai Yosefov – died a few meters away from Moran Zakzak in the Negev town of Sderot. Now 24, Zakzak still suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder, but has yet to receive any assistance from the state.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/875926.html
K | 28.06.07 – 8:07 pm |
You forgot number 9) The salute!
http://www.jtf.org/america/vvv.iran.nazi.salute.iranians.jpg
David Preiser | 28.06.07 – 6:29 pm
Well done sir. If commenters on this blog can focus on BBC bias and scroll past troll contributors then Mr Preiser’s success might be repeated more often.
The BBC, female genital mutilation (FGM) and half a story.
Egypt forbids female circumcision
Egypt has announced that it is imposing a complete ban on female circumcision, also known as genital mutilation. Recent studies have shown that some 90% of Egyptian women have been circumcised. The practice is common among Muslim as well as Christian families in Egypt and other African countries, but is rare in the Arab world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6251426.stm
Last I looked BBC, Egypt was in the Arab world.
The BBC, female genital mutilation (FGM) and half a story.
Max,
Well said. At least they’re no longer stating that Israeli Jews are the enemies of Islam, full stop.
Chemistry: I think you can still see the reports on the Midlands Today website (if you can squeeze them out of the BBC’s rather clunky video search facility)
The research the school kids are doing is the idea of a rather fantastic teacher called Mo Afzal who works at Warwick School. Google him for more details of the projects he runs.
The aim with the asthma project is to create the same active ingredient for Salbutomol but by a different non-patented route. It was a bunch of really smart kids who felt they were part of something really useful and important. I hope you’re not getting too cynical in your old age!
On the dreadful BBC1 Question Time (which I shall view no more) David Dimbleby blatantly said the Israelis attacked Lebanon last year. And here’s me and the rest of the world thinking that the attack was launched by Hezbollah from Lebanon. How much longer do we have to put up with this crap that pollutes the planet. Let’s follow the example of the New Zealanders who mounted a well-organised campaign to get rid of their broadcasting equivalent.
Anon 5:53
Agree about the trolls however they can sometimes be a perfectly acceptable and sometimes entertaining way of making a point that one may have made anyway.
Please dont think for one second that anything that happens on this site will change the BBC in anymore then the most superficial way.
The BBC are watching this site thats for certain.
However its only so that the BBC can know their ‘enemys’ better, not to appease them. The BBC way is to patronise then marginalise and then if that all fails, bullshit the public to a bored state intellectual confusion or straight forward emigration.
Its been working for the BBC all my life. In fact much longer then even that.
Why should the BBC change now, when the BBC and most importantly their employees are so clearly winning?
WE CANT CHANGE THE BBC we can only destroy it, by taking away their cash. Or should I say. By stopping the BBC extorting by force of law £135pa of whats left of our already highly taxed wealth.
Only by acheiveing this or by the imminate and very real threat of this happening will any one at the BBC even raise an eyelid of momentary concern.
And please remember this, because the BBC will.
The first serious politician that proposes the abolition of the BBC will find within a week, their political and or personal life permanently abliterated. Not only by the BBC but all their political allies and ex employees in the rest of the MSM. With reference to the ex MP for Tatton, if they cant find sleeze they will simply make it up.
Maurice Jones:
On the dreadful BBC1 Question Time (which I shall view no more)
Join the club – its become a propaganda tool for the “trendy left”.
David Dimbleby is full of his own importance. He’ll interupt people from the “right” and let any lie slip through as long as its from his lefty side.
The programme makers also seem to bring their audiences with them.
“When the Question Time audience in the ultra-white city of Lincoln was leavened with black and Asian people bussed in from afar, was this a legitimate attempt to skew the audience to fit national proportions • in which case what was the point of going to Lincoln? Or was it an unacknowledged distortion of the true character of Lincoln? Are such decisions made deliberately • or automatically, as part of the BBC’s own progressive culture? ”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/impartiality_21century/report.txt
And this is not the first time
” Following the London terror attacks, the BBC admitted loading the studio audience with a disproportionate number of Muslims for Questions of Security: A BBC News Special. (See Biased BBC for links to video of the show.) Among the complaints, one viewer wrote angrily:
I do not pay my license fee to watch an unrepresentative Muslim audience like this.
The BBC’s response?
In order to ensure a range of voices on these issues, the studio audience contained a higher proportion of Muslims in the audience than in the population as a whole – around 15% of the audience as opposed to 2.7% of the country as a whole…
This isn’t the first time the BBC got in hot water for loading the audience. In 2001, anti-American invective from a Question Time audience discussing the 9/11 attacks got so out of hand that news director Greg Dyke had to apologize to US ambassador Philip Lader, who participated in the show.
Can anyone imagine a BBC program on Israel loaded with Israelis and Jews?”
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/The_Dishonest_Reporter_Award_2005.asp
K (8.17pm): “As for the BNP being more Nazi inspired than muslims, I think you have to get out more.”
And I think, perhaps, you need to do some research. Or have at least some clue as to what you’re talking about.
I’ve documented above a number of the direct links about the BNP’s inspiration from the Nazis. I’ll come back to that at the end, just to remind you. But first, let’s deal with your Top 8 Reasons Why Muslims Are Nazis And The BNP Aren’t:
1) “One of the best-sellers amongst muslims is ‘Jihadi’ (a translation from the original German meaning ‘Mein Kampf’ – the author’s name escapes me).”
– Oh yes? I had a search on Amazon.com, to see exactly where it ranks as a “best-seller.” Guess what? THERE’S NO SUCH BOOK. Well, that’s a glaring error, don’t you think? So, thinking perhaps Amazon just don’t stock it, I searched for “Jihadi book” on Google. Nothing. If you’ve got the author’s name to hand, that would be useful. Otherwise I think I have to say this claim is false. Oh, and “Jihad” translates as “Holy War.” “Mein Kampf” translates as “My Struggle.” So you’ve even got the title of your non-existant book wrong…
2) “The constant reference to infidels and Jews as unclean pigs/apes/etc from mosques in the Middle-East.”
There are, indeed, passages in the Koran that say this – although I would point out (as Wikipedia does) that it has been argued (by, for example, professor Khaleel Mohammad – a man who firmly believes, incidentally, that Israel belongs to the Jewish people) these verses are polemic and addressed to those “who were making fun of Islamic beliefs.”
3) “The lineal descent of “Don’t cry for me Babs and Orla” Arafat from the original Jew-hating, Nazi-ally Mufti of Jerusalme.”
Arafat was born in 1929. This was four years BEFORE the burning of the Reichstag. Bit difficult to be of “Nazi-ally descent” if you’re born before the Nazis come to power, isn’t it?
4) “Holocaust denial conferences in Tehran.”
I assume that here you’re referring to the International Conference To Review The Holocaust. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust). I agree this was disgraceful. Hey, you know who was there? David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the KKK, who has close links to – and has met with – Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP. You know who else is a Holocaust denier? Nick Griffin, leader of – yes – the BNP. He’s called it “the Holohoax.” He even updated a book about it. Which DOES exist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Six_Million_Really_Die%3F)
5) “The must-see TV of the Middle-East: Protocols of the Elders of Zion”
Oh, hey, an accurate point! I’m not going to argue with this one – the Protocols are broadcast in the Middle East, it is a disgrace, it is wrong and it should be stopped. End of.
6) “The shelved EU report on rising, anti-semitic attacks by muslims in Europe”
Well, this is debatable. The report actually says “The largest group of the perpetrators of anti-Semitic activities appears to be young, disaffected white Europeans.” (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/01/wsemit01.xml) The “supressed” report was actually a different, German-only study. But admittedly, as the Daily Telegraph article says, “The headline findings contradict the body of the report,” so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
7) “The refusal of the MCB to attend Holocaust Day”
The MCB’s statement on Holocaust Memorial Day begins, “The Nazi Holocaust was a truly evil and abhorrent crime and we stand together with our fellow British Jews in their sense of pain and anguish. None of us must ever forget how the Holocaust began.” They are not denying the Holocaust, what they seek is to have the name changed to Genocide Memorial Day. That may make them appear obstinate, wrong-headed, insensitive, even opportunistic. It does not make them Nazis. (The BNP, interestingly, DOES commemorate the day. Which is curious, as its leader is on record as describing it as the “Hoax of the Twentieth Century”).
Finally, 8) “the widespread, incongruent beliefs, according to polls of muslims, that a) 9/11 was done by the Jooos AND b)Osama bin Laden is a hero for 9/11”
This is simply untrue. A poll last month of American Muslims DID find only 40 percent believed Arabs were behind 9/11; another 32 percent had “no view.” Just under a third of the rest blamed the US government. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232007/news/nationalnews/time_bombs_in_our_midst_nationalnews_douglas_montero_and_andy_soltis.htm)
And their view of al-Qaida? 58 percent had a “very unfavourable” opinion. Only 5 percent had a “very favourable” or “somewhat favourable” view of him. Yes, it’s still five percent too many. But it’s hardly a “widespread” view.
One final point. The Islamic religion dates back to the seventh century. The BNP was formed out of the National Front, which grew as a way for neo-Nazis to avoid the ban on neo-Nazi groups in the UK. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_%28UK%29) Now, which of these two is more likely to be, in your words, “more Nazi inspired?”