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buzzdroid:
newsnight newspaper round up.
daily mirror has a picture of Dr Jihad on its front page tommorow – but the bbc shaded it out.
odd.
BBC News 24 did the same , very critical of the tabloids, being irresponsible, “rash” was one comment.
Let’s hope they look at every single person (men , women, children, infidels all) these Jihadist NHS doctors have examined. Remember Dr. Harold Shipman, who was found guilty of murdering his patients. … Remember the questions about how could this prolific serial killer go undetected for so long? …
I think a similar approach and screening is necessary.
Jihadist NHS doctors is this really happening? Why is everybody in denial?
Hillhunt-But don’t let that stop you smearing the name of umpteen million by the vices of a few….
If a sizeable number of those millions were to begin cooperating, publicly, with the British security forces and naming suspected Islamists instead of remaining silent and being up-in-arms about possible persecution, attitudes would alter.
tartar:
If a sizeable number of those millions were to begin cooperating, publicly, with the British security forces and naming suspected Islamists instead of remaining silent and being up-in-arms about possible persecution, attitudes would alter.
How do you know they’re not?
Anybody watch this program on BBC 2 tonight.
Peter and Dan Snow: 20th Century…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/listings/programme.shtml?day=today&service_id=4224&filename=20070702/20070702_2100_4224_13127_60
Was it me, or was it me but was this BBC program about the Tet offensive kind of biased.
The Viet cong were portrayed as arduous, brave and clever
The Americans as bumbling, cowards and down right stupid. (Kind of helps BBC if you didn’t voice the words of American soldiers in southern American drawls.)
The BBC painted a picture that Americans cannot fight without Air-power.
Yes they mentioned that Tet was a failure. But they didn’t say just how big a failure.
(Lots of pictures and film clips of American casualties, lots of figures of American casualties, but not one snippet about how many Viet Cong died.)
Figures BBC figures. The Viet con lost over 45000 troops in the Tet offensive.
The Other side (Yanks, South Vietnam, and Australia) lost under 5000 total.
Mind you I did like how Peter Snow made out how Hue cost the Americans dear.
Lets see 2500 American marines and South Vietnam troops take on 10,000 viet con kicking arse at 7500 to 602 kind of paints a different story.
Maybe that would explain the closing highlights were Peter Snow painted a picture that Americans can’t fight and that what Walter had to say on the Tet Offensive was factually correct.
I got the impression the message being promoted wasn’t about Vietnam but about Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe I thought that theme up, but somehow I don’t think I did. I mean the impartial BBC wouldn’t push an anti American involvement story on the British public would they?
Oh yes BBC you left out the Tet offensive was launched during the monsoon season.
Giap did so as to offset the American air advantage.
Hillhunt-How do you know they’re not?
What part of “publicly” don’t you understand?
Not only do moderate muslims need to give up the rotten fruit from within their own ranks, they need to be SEEN doing it for the ordinary folks to realise that they’re actually on our side.
Iraq has maybe offered a glimmer of hope on this subject, where ordinary Iraqis are now pointing the finger at Al-Qaida members so that coalition forces can root them out. Similar efforts would not be amiss here in the UK.
Hillhunt 11.24
A devout Muslim does not recognize any distinction between church and state.At least they are consistent in their desire to subject the world to sharia law.British liberals are consistent only in their desire to appease.They(Muslim fundamentalists) and us should have the good sense to admit that compromise is impossible and that if coexistence is not an option then the only peaceful solution is a complete seperation of cultures.We leave the middle east to them and they leave Europe to us.In their lands we live on their terms in our lands they live on ours.
So the BBC’s science output is unbiased, is it?
The irregular appearances here of David Gregory (who poses questions but seldom responds to the replies) seems to suggest that all the BBC does on ‘GW’ is give us the facts.
However, over at the ever-fascinating Greenie Watch blog, we find John Ray exposing a little spat between the (clearly very far from impartial) BBC science hack, Alex Kirby, and Prof John Brignell who has him, as you might say, bang to rights.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
Indeed, the prof actually calls Kirby ‘Ticknell’s representative on Earth’. and that’s the loonie Sir Crispin Ticknell (Moonbat’s guru) who is to blame for so much warmist hysteria.
‘Curiouser and curiouser’, said Alice…
tartar:
Not only do moderate muslims need to give up the rotten fruit from within their own ranks, they need to be SEEN doing it for the ordinary folks to realise that they’re actually on our side.
Just to be clear:
The message is Shop A Jihadi… but do it in public, or it won’t count.
Can’t put my finger on why it is, but as crimebusting goes, it seems kind of flawed to me.
Dave:
A devout Muslim does not recognize any distinction between church and state.
Depends how devout, and – even more – what brand of Islam he’s devoted to…
Millions of them are quite happy to live normally in nation states. The caliphate only plays big with the wackos…
Sorry Mr Gcooper I’ve been at the Royal Show today. Late night in the edit suite. Just home.
To answer two questions. Although I was putting together another story today obviously MT lead on these terror arrests. Legal advice from the BBC lawyers is we need to blur that faces of those concerned. Our opposite numbers at ITV did the same.
Newspapers often push the envelope of what is possible when it comes to contempt. It can be frustrating as a broadcast journalist but legal advice is there for a reason.
After all no one wants to cause problems at any later trial.
I’m not sure what you want me to say about Prof Brignell and Alex Kirby. As I’ve said it would be unprofessional to comment on other BBC presenters and journalists, they can argue their own corner.
Prof Brignell is an expert in sensors I believe? I’m all for exposing the poor understanding of numbers and science in the media generally as he sets out to do. It might do his case less harm if he didn’t get distracted with stuff about it being legal to “bugger 16 year old boys but not offer him a cigarette”
Like I said it’s a busy few days for me, but I’ll try and look in tomorrow. You can always email me direct with further questions.
Hillhunt “The message is Shop A Jihadi… but do it in public, or it won’t count.”
I am sure that a judge would have praised “the community” for information leading to a conviction. Perhaps you can provide links?
“And just how effective was that, exactly, in bringing peace to Ireland?
hillhunt | 02.07.07 – 11:34 pm”
re: sas going after the ira
it was highly effective. see Peter Taylors execellent documentaries on it.
it finally made the IRA realise that they simply could not win the war. they couldnt be defeated either – but the very least they could expect was stalemate.
(apologies for feeding the troll)
HH: what, all of them?
The Salman Rushdie fatwa
Lockerbie
The Shoe bomber
July 7
July 21
The fertiliser plot
The gas canister plot
The cartoon would-be decapitators
The airline plot
The (failed) London carbombs
The fucked up Glasgow bomb
Muslims. All of them
bob | 02.07.07 – 9:29 pm |
Not if you hear it from the lunatics at the BBC. If you have News24 on digital go to tonight’s newspaper review (Multiscreen) where you will find James Rampton (Daily Express/Independent Newspapers) BBC newspaper reviewer coming up with what Blair would call “loopy-loo” statements:
“who could have believed that they were doctors? …. no one could ever believe that they would do harm having sworn the hypocratic oath”
“jackie smith has aquitted herself exceptionally well, …. confidence and resolution, … British qualities, blah, blah, …”
Brown’s strong commonsense leadership is marked by the “abscence of usage of the term ‘war on terror, [Jackie Smith being told to only make reference to communities].
Then the crowning glory of a statement:
“I mean we dont neccessarily know that it was muslims who commited these acts.”
All capped off with Jakie Smith wanting to re-launch government’s “Hearts and Minds Campaign … it had gone a bit off the boil.”
This 10 day BBC paean to Brown’s brilliance …. beggars belief! Makes an impartial viewer nauseous. Especially when Andrew Marr, Gito, Nick Robinson get down to the serious boot licking.
Especially the reference “not knowing whether the teror attcks were carried out by muslims.” WTF!? It has to be seen to be believed. Its on New24 Muti-screen … its worth a watch.
What an insult to the intelligence of any viewer no matter how stupid or uneducated (thats a reference to you ill&unt).
It will be interesting to see what happens when the BBC lid comes of the sh8te stew that team Brown is busy cooking for us … the back lash will be massive.
“hillhunt | 03.07.07 – 12:51 am”
i agree with you there. the “shop a jihadi” stance is idiotic. the irish had the same problem. shop an IRA guy and you could either expect a kneecapping, or a shot in the head.
if i was muslim and i knew my neighbour was a bloodthirsty jihadist , well , i wouldnt want to risk my families lives on grassing them.
after all here’s what they do in iraq:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
“A devout Muslim does not recognize any distinction between church and state.
Depends how devout, and – even more – what brand of Islam he’s devoted to…
Millions of them are quite happy to live normally in nation states. The caliphate only plays big with the wackos…
hillhunt | 03.07.07 – 12:54 am”
whilst the restoration of the caliphate is indeed limited to the wackos of the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda, the intense intertwining of religion and state does exist in the home of Islam – Saudi Arabia.
the reason being, is that they are merely interpreting the Koran. just about the only places where they’ve been able to separate religion and state have been in places like Turkey , Syria, Egypt – all with a very strong secular military. Note the aspect of a very strong military.
Which says to me that Islam has a problem if it requires a robust military to keep it away from government.
Thank you for responding, Dr Gregory.
The spat between Prof Bignell and Alex Kirby is, I’m sure we all accept and as you say, something on which it would be unprofessional for you to comment.
None the less, Prof Bignell’s charge is one we have to examine here, even if you are rendered mute by, understandable, loyalty to your tribe.
The reason I goaded you about your unresponsiveness to our responses was because, in a previous thread, I had provided a clear example where absolutely unqualified BBC broadcasters were happily opining on the subject of ‘GW’ – as part of a programme which has very deliberate and calculated political influence (The Westminster Hour on R4).
It is this, as you know, that I object to most strongly about the BBC’s coverage of this issue. Not (so much) that the BBC’s science correspondents are biased (although, hand on heart, I think most of you are) but that the rest of the broadcasting monolith feels it has carte blanche to perpetuate some very questionable science, as if it were established truth.
That there are political forces at work in his issue is beyond doubt. Indeed, I also provided a direct quote from the IPPR, which exposes the Stalinist methods used to spread the meme ( pace Dawkins) of ‘MMGW’ by taking a steamroller to dissenting opinion.
Meanwhile, I sincerely appreciate your response on the issue of the images of those arrested. I am absolutely unqualified to pass an opinion as to who is right.
GCooper Prof Brignal has an interesting web site at
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/
Alex Kirby is not a scientist – he has had no scientific background – he was another BBC “environmental specialist” who appeared from nowhere.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1999/kirbbio.htm
“tartar | 03.07.07 – 12:15 am ”
with the likes of “honour killings” going on, and the threats of jihadists, i seriously dont see that happening.
i see an intimidated population who would *like* to break free but cannot.
similiar comparisions in recent history could be for example East Germans under the Stasi, or the London Irish, with the IRA guys amongst their midst. the vast majority of people in such a situation keep their head down and hope their kids do well at school.
the answer is intelligence. we honestly cannot expect Muslims to start shopping jihadists when those same jihadists wouldnt think twice about killing their children.
see here:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
Jon writes:
“Alex Kirby is not a scientist – he has had no scientific background – he was another BBC “environmental specialist” who appeared from nowhere.”
Indeed, yes.
And he seems worryingly representative of the BBC, I must say.
“Jon | 03.07.07 – 1:30 am ”
the job of “environmental reporter” is a new one. and of course self interest rears its ugly head.
then one looks at the likes of say the “Carbon Trust” , you find people like Dr Paul Jefferiss.
http://www.carbontrust.co.uk/about/people/
A doctor. Phd. Maybe he’s a rocket scientist climate modeller at Cambridge perhaps?
errr. no – he’s head of environmental policy at the RSPB
http://www.ncvo-vol.org.uk/vsmagazine/features/?id=1878
Dr Paul Jefferiss, head of environmental policy at RSPB
look through that carbon trust list and find a climate scientist…
http://www.carbontrust.co.uk/about/people/
or indeed, ANY scientist.
APPEASMENT BANDWAGON IN FULL SWING
This illegal war made Scotland a target for terrorists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2116213,00.html
… and no matter how tenuous …
The link with Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2116128,00.html
whilst i concede that there is a link to iraq i.e. they probably got training out there or it provided motivation for them, the guardian misses the overall strategic view of al qaeda (or maybe iran/hezbollah) in targetting scotland.
it simple – divide and conquer. break up the union over iraq.
hello SNP?
whilst the brainwashed bombers are as dumb as fuck, their islamist influencers are most certainly not.
bijan -> having re-read that first comment on here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2116213,00.html
well, i have to say that scots nationalists feel about these things the same way as English people get enraged about decisions being made in Brussels.
of course i understand that scottish unionists dont feel the same way.
what i find odd though is that with a scots chancellor (brown) and a scots PM (blair) in charge that the scots nationalists should feel this way.
to all intents and purposes scotland is running the show in the uk.
by way of comparision, if an Irish guy made it to PM in 1900s britain, along with an irish chancellor, i dont think ireland would have left the union.
show , whilst i understand the nationalist angle, its not really based in reality. there is no “english” government in westminister. its very scottish, with a streak of irish.
typo – “show” should read “so”.
Finally on the Al Beeb “news” homepage:
Muslim voices on the bomb attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6261988.stm
Australian arrest in terror probe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6263408.stm
“The detained man was an Indian national who was arrested while trying to return to India with a one-way ticket, he added.”
On reading the headline, one wonders whether the terrorist is an australian.
..Now, let’s look at Indian media:
Indian held in Australia for UK terror plot
http://ibnlive.com/
http://ibnlive.com/news/indian-held-in-australia-for-uk-terror-plot/43936-2.html
A man detained in Australia in connection with a plot to detonate car bombs in London and Scotland is an Indian national, Prime Minister John Howard said on Tuesday.
“The first person taken into custody is an Indian national who came to Australia sponsored by the Queensland (state) health department,” Howard said. Earlier reports said the 27-year-old man was a doctor but it has now been confirmed that he was a hospital registrar.
“The 27-year-old man, who was a registrar at the Gold Coast hospital in eastern Queensland state, was arrested by counter-terrorism police at Brisbane International Airport last night, where he was trying to board a flight with one-way ticket,” Attorney General Philip Ruddock earlier said.
BBC always gives a false impression with it’s headlines.
Similarly, this headline:
Yemen bomb kills Spanish tourists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6262302.stm
At least nine people have been killed after a suicide bomber drove an explosives-laden car into a tourist convoy in Yemen.
Will BBC ever use this headline?
” Yemenese Terrorist kills Spanish Tourists “
Doctors held in bomb attack probe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6261076.stm
Strange Title
“Two of those being held by police are doctors.
Dr Mohammed Asha, 26, who was brought up in Jordan and worked as a junior doctor at the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital and the Princess Royal Hospital in Telford, was arrested on the M6 in Cheshire on Saturday night along with a 27-year-old woman thought to be his wife.
And an Iraqi doctor, Bilal Abdulla, suspected of the attack on Glasgow Airport, worked in Paisley. ”
If the terrorists have been White English people, then BBC would have used this Title
“Two White English people held..”
Archduke
there is no “english” government in westminister. its very scottish, with a streak of irish.
archduke | 03.07.07 – 2:06 am | #
I prefer the term Scottish Raj
(rāj in Hindi meaning “rule”; from Sanskrit rājya) is the term used to refer to the period of direct British imperial rule of the Indian Subcontinent)
I notice that the spokesman from the Muslim Association of Doctors (MAD?)interviewed by James Nauchtie at 7.15 on BBC Radio 4s Today prog. brought up the example of Dr. Harold Shipman.
Doctors, plumbers – what’s the difference? Oh, wait a minute. No difference – they’re both muslims
Here is one from that BBC2 Newsnight 10 year old:
What does a jihadist NHS doctor say to his patient, when he sticks a flat stick in your mouth:
“Now say Allah for me”?
Muslim voices on the bomb attacks
Starts with a Burkah woman, the holy woman in BBC’s eyes
ABBAS SHAH, SHEFFIELD:
” the foreign policy of this country targets my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan ”
Really? Your fellow muslims are blowing up each other
Muslim voices on the bomb attacks
Starts with a Burkah woman, the holy woman in BBC’s eyes
ABBAS SHAH, SHEFFIELD:
” the foreign policy of this country targets my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan ”
Really? Your fellow muslims are the ones who are blowing up each other into pieces in the name of Religion of Peace.
I enjoyed this article which reports the findings of a Mori poll on climate change.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6263690.stm
The poll finds that most people are sceptical on claims about global warming, with a higher priority accorded to terrorism, crime and dog-mess.
Nonetheless, the article draws on two external sources: the Royal Society and Ipsos Mori (who performed the poll).
There are a number of quotes, amongst which the following appear:
“there was “still a lot to do” in encouraging “low-carbon lifestyles”. (Mori)
“People should not be misled by those that exploit the complexity of the issue, seeking to distort the science and deny the seriousness of the potential consequences of climate change”. (Royal Society)
There is also a quote which states:
“People had been influenced by counter arguments, he [Royal Society spokesman] said”.
This is basically the nub of the article. People have generally been misguided into discounting the significance of climate change.
Within the article, there is no perspective provided by reference to qualitative or other quantitative data in the poll findings. There is also no reference to groups which may be stimulating this scepticism.
In all it is a rather one-sided piece that fits rather well with the Paxman quote on the right of the B-BBC page.
Good morning
HH
“Really? What is the war on terror, last seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, if not sending our boys to bump a few of them off?And just how effective was that, exactly, in bringing peace to Ireland?”
Well lets see HH what caused Gerry Adams to start letter writing to Msgr Alec Reid:
Lets start by looking at the history of PIRA East Tyrone Brigade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_East_Tyrone_Brigade
Then lets look at the so called planned “Tet Offensive”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997#Libyan_arms_and_the_.22Tet_Offensive.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_arms_importation
So without the “military pressure” it would be doubtful if the PIRA/SF would be the ‘peace loving group’ that it is today.
BBC Comedy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6263884.stm
Unity ‘will will defeat terror’
And it seems that being Spanish and being against Gringo Bush hasn’t saved these people:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2017836.ece
“The attack on Spanish tourists came a week after six Spanish peacekeepers were killed in Lebanon when a roadside bomb ripped through one of their armoured car. It also came on the final day of evidence in the trial of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, in which Al Qaeda-inspired militants killed 191 people.”
So much for the “Iraq link”.
Lovely interview on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning, a really fawning one with Al Gore. Not a single interruption, so Al Gore could make his case without having to continually react to the interviewer. This “interview” was of the ‘you are marvellous’, ‘please do give us the benefit of your immense knowledge’ type, so unlike any interview of someone not espousing left-wing opinions. More here – http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.com/2007/07/bbc-and-climate-change.html
And just how effective was that, exactly, in bringing peace to Ireland?
hillhunt | 02.07.07 – 11:34 pm | #
From a purely historical perspective, I’d say that the Dublin pub bombs seemed to bring an end to the British pub bombs…
john:
buzzdroid:
newsnight newspaper round up.
daily mirror has a picture of Dr Jihad on its front page tommorow – but the bbc shaded it out.
I think that is actually for copyright reasons. Sky News did exactly the same thing.
BBC and it’s love for muzlims:
“I find it weird that the BBC news tonight claimed to speak to the MP of the Constituency Glasgow Airport is located in…. but instead they interviewed our only Muslim MSP Mohammad Sarwar. But he is MP of Glasgow Govan.
Glasgow Airport however, despite its name is actually located in Paisley, the town I live, and is in the constituency of Paisley North, whose MSP is Wendy Alexander. I wonder if the BBC made this error deliberately simply so it could have a Muslim on TV condemning the attacks?”
— Scot in Glasgow
On a Tuesday morn, thus the Goracle doth spoke on BBC breakfast news, and lo, the Goracle did speak on matters for which the Goracle is completely unqualified for, and he saw that it was good.
Way off the off topic topic, but interesting non the less.
Cartoons on the middle east from the middle east, some good, some bad. A range of politics on display.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA36607
As noted previously, the Today interview with Gore this morning was a disgrace – as was the entire tone of the piece about the public’s disinclination to believe warmist theology.
Given that, by its own admission, a large number of people do not believe the prophets of doom, why was there no attempt to find out why they are sceptical? Why were people’s doubts buried beneath a smug blanket implication that ‘they’re all peasants, too stupid to understand the science and scared they’ll have to give up their cars’?
Why was the point that many people believe there are experts who dispute the entire ‘science’ of MMGW treated with scorn? Many do believe that. And they are right!
The BBC is supposed there to be there report and investigate – not act as the mouthpiece for a failed American politician, who has been proved to be a liar on this issue.
So much for any claims that the BBC is an impartial broadcaster.
It isn’t. Fact.
Also something news worthy from the BBC:
“‘I Don’t Compromise’
Syria shut down Ali Farzat’s magazine in 2003. Now the BBC is producing animated versions of his political cartoons for broadcast in Arab countries. ”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19487900/site/newsweek/
” Grimer | 03.07.07 – 8:36 am”
wrong way round.
birmingham: nov 1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_pub_bombings
guildford: oct 1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_pub_bombing
dublin: may 1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Monaghan_bombings
the Goracle doth create much merriment and laughter, as mankind watched very rich people fly around on private jets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Earth
‘Lovely interview on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning, a really fawning one with Al Gore. ‘
NotASheep | Homepage | 03.07.07 – 8:36 am |
Must have left that studio to go straight into the breakfast bimbo slot with the emasculated Dermot Monaghan (He’s the biggest bimbo of them all) why don’t they just give him a Dolly Parton wig to wear and be done with it.
Exactly the same format, a totally craven ‘interview’ with time to rubbish those polled who thought that global warming is a big hype.
Not one word about ‘big’ Al’s carbon footprint.
He did let slip about population growth though. Of course no mention about in which parts of the globe the population is decreasing and in which parts it has quadrupled in the last century. Far too unPC.
One more thing before dissapearing into the mists once more.
Radio 4 are trailling the rolling stone interviews with John Lennon – which I think is the one that has been available to download from rolling stone magazione for over a year…
It is interesting, though John is dpressingly mixed up and contradictory at times.
Picked up from Oliver Kamm’s blog from the Sunday Telegraph piece:
“We have heard so often, and will continue to hear, that the Iraq war and Blair’s alliance with George W Bush were a recruiting sergeant for al Qaeda and its affiliates in this country. That may be true, but only in the sense that everything is a recruiting sergeant for this cause: the removal of the Taliban, the existence of the state of Israel, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the end of the Muslim caliphate in 1924, the way women dress in the West. One of the conversations bugged in Operation Crevice that led to life sentences for five terrorists in April included a chilling discussion about bombing a London nightclub. “Now no one can even turn around and say ‘Oh they were innocent’,” said Jawad Akbar, “those slags dancing around.””
http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/