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“constructing the values of vibrant diverse Britain – if anyone has discovered what they are yet.”
Most of us do KNOW what the values of our British society are.
The BBC and their NuLabour friends also know and hate them – hence their continual assault on the social and cultural values that DO make this country great.
I’ve watched the first ten minutes of “Liverpool Nativity”.
It is truly beyond parody.
Horrendous.
Crude, maudlin, lefty beeboid propaganda – delivered without any observable production skills or acting talent.
If it cost 10p we’ve all been ripped off.
It’s so dire I can’t switch it off – like watching a slow motion car crash.
“Liverpool Nativity”
They couldn’t get a council house and had to go into a hostel,’elf an safety wouldn’t let the animals in,the Three Wise Men were from the Social Services and the crib was up on bricks?
So all of you people are really sure thats its not a false flag operation are you. So sure you would bet your lives on it?
You trust the BBC so much that you think they would tell you the truth do you?
Why is that, when you don’t trust the BBC about anything else?
You know the BBC tells lies. You see and hear them constantly.
Take my advice do not trust me, or the BBC on this or anything else.
Do the research yourselves with an open mind. Virtually everything big and important that ever happened in this entire world, has indeed turned out later to have been a massive conspiracy. So why not this one?
The fact that 9/11 was organized and executed by some organization other then the one we are being lead to believe is OBVIOUS to anyone and everyone not obsessed with or brainwashed by the MSM.
About 50% of the American public are on my side on this one and about 65% of the entire world.
That Zionism is against Jewish teachings is a well known historical and religious fact of life. A fact of life I knew over 40 years ago. Ask yourselves why the BBC has not bothered to tell YOU this?
The TRUTH is the BBC either does not know the truth or it is deliberately not telling you the truth.
I have not given my theory as to why I think this is so. WORK THAT OUT FOR YOURSELVES.
By the way I am a Conservative, a conservative and Jewish. When 9/11 first happened I believed the official line as well. Only blind brainwashed fools would now. Which unfortunately, mainly because of the BBC, is what most of you people still are.
British and American governments have sacrificed their own people before in there hundreds of thousands only 60 odd years ago to achieve their ends. What on earth gives you all so much confidence they would not or did not do it on the 11th of September 2001?
Just because the BBC told you so and because these things just dont happen in September, or what?????
“Liverpool Nativity”
Were the “shephards” dressed in those checked Palestinian keffiyehs? Was someone wearing a burka? Did a Koran figure into it at any point?
I’m dying to know!
I think Andrew is asleep.
It’s high time he deleated the troofer who is wasting her own and everybody else’s time.
Also, with such views she cannot be THE Atlas Shrugs blogress, and has indeed evaded a direct question in this matter. It isn’t nice to use a slight various on somebody else’s well known pseudonym.
PIMF. This should be “a slight variation”, of course.
Virtually everything big and important that ever happened in this entire world, has indeed turned out later to have been a massive conspiracy.
You mean like how the dinosaurs were wiped out in a false-flag operation by Mossad, CIA and SIS 65 million years ago in order to start an illegal war against prehistoric Earth to steal their valuable low-on-the-evolutionary-scale, unicellular lifeforms?
Name one. Just one ‘big and important’ world event that’s contested outside of conspiracy land.
Anat, it’s obvious that the commenter isn’t Pamela Geller Oshry. Much as the BBC likes to to pretend and insist otherwise, Ayn Rand, Objectivism and capitalism in general are very popular, even in this case, amongst nuts.
Atlas shrugged
Haha — and you are not a false flag!?
Much more plausible is that you are
in front of a PC somewhere in Tehran
Maybe the Iranian intelligence services building?
In case you just fell for one of the conspiracy theories — know that
conspiracy theories are the refuge of the weak minded when they get overwhelmed by tectonic events that change paradigms about one’s world view.
Instead of trying to understand the world in all its complexity, you simply escape to a much simpler alternate reality – that one usually has a calming effect — just vote Bush out of office or expose the CIA/Mossad/Aliens and the world will become a nice place once again.
For haven’s sake CIA cannot even get away with destroying 2 tapes with torture they used under pressure to find the perpetrators in the wake of horrific events of 9/11.
(If water-boarding is ever comparable to electric shocks and power drills into genitals employed by Saddam et al.)
Gibby Haynes | 24.12.07 – 4:28 am | ,
I realize of course that the nick of that troofer could be a direct and independent reference to Ayn Rand but, given the commenter’s totally irrelevant self-identification as Jewish and a frequent visitor to Israel, I don’t think it is. An oblique reference to Pamela Geller is more likely. Not nice.
It’s so dire I can’t switch it off – like watching a slow motion car crash.
John Reith spins in his grave Homepage | 23.12.07 – 11:29 pm
Thanks for the chuckle. Can people outside Britain view this thing? I could use some good entertainment.
Atlas shrugged it off 24.12.07 – 2:34 am, you finally made one reasonable point: the BBC is indeed completely untrustworthy, so why should we believe it when it says there is no 9/11 conspiracy?
The answer is simple. With the BBC’s obsessive anti-Americanism and equally obsessive support for Islamic terrorists, the corporation woud jump at the opportunity to expose 9/11 as an inside job if it could find the slightest evidence that that was the case.
America came under attack from Arab Islamic terrorists who infiltrated the country from the terror-sponsoring Islamic east. Get over it.
A ‘man’ is charged on terror charges:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7158260.stm
No word if he’s a plumber though.
Bryan
No the BBC ACTS like it is anti-American. It does this by employing plenty of anti-American so called independent informed investigative journalists. It also deliberately allows the BBC to employ foreign spies, just to keep an eye on them.
The BBC is not independent because as we all should know it is governed by members of MI5.
Disinformation is the stocking trade of MI5 and MI6 for better or for worse. So who better then the BBC to propagate this particular type of disinformation. They do it all of the time as you very well know. They even do it to change our domestic governments when they are instructed to do so. So why not in this case?
If you know your history you will also know that the BBC did this sort of thing constantly before and during WW2. We are currently in a state of war are we not? A war against terrorism.
The world moves in VERY mysterious ways does it not?
We won the last world war because our intelligence services and their complex and highly clever disinformation were both better then our enemies, did we not?
The BBC is the best there has ever been in the business of national and international propaganda, is it not?
The BBC is part of the British establishment not the Iranian or Arab one is it not?
The British and American establishments work hand in hand do they not?
I only state things that are already public knowledge I know nothing that you cant read in a book or find out on the www all by yourself.
Ask yourself why you obviously have not bothered to find out what is far more likely to be the truth, then what the MSM is telling you it is?
Do you think you could not handle the truth, or are you simply just too scared to even look?
Arab terrorism exists thats for sure otherwise who is killing our troops?
But that does not mean that they did 9/11. There were Communists that wanted to burn down the German Parliament building, but as we now know it was not them that actually did it.
If you believe Bin-Larden organized 9/11, then you do believe in conspiracy theory. Because the official line is one of a large international terrorist conspiracy headed up by Osama Bin-Larden, is it not?
If you were Mr Bin-Larden would you really think it was a wise idea to start an unwinnable war with what you must surly know is a truly unbeatable foe?
Which is The British and American armed forces, and their intelligence agencies. Backed up by the biggest richest and most powerful banking and industrial forces ever know to mankind.
I have no real firm opinion on whether all this bullshit is ultimately a good or a bad thing for us. Or who or what exactly did organize and carry out 9/11.
I just cant stand being taken for a fool and lied to 24/7, by an organization that gave us our current truly illiberal authoritarian government. Especially as I am not a fool and the evidence is all around me.
Read well the points I have made. Because they are very sensible points that a free mind must make, and seek truthful answers to.
They may well answer all the questions you need to know the answers to, if you are ever really going to understand what the BBC is and why we spend 3.5 billion a year on an otherwise completely pointless corporation.
3.5 billion and more that we will most likely continue to spend who ever the BBC very much helps us to select to be our next Prime Minister and governing party.
Susan/PeterUK/Bryan
Liverpool Nativity
Well,you asked for it.
My eyes are bleeding still as I type and don’t say I didn’t warn you – but here’s a link for the trailer:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/nativity/
What can I say, other than that it encapsulates perfectly the spirit of wingeing, maudlin, self-pitying, work-averse, benefit dependant culture for which the BBC and the once fair city of Liverpool have become famous.
Unfortunately (or maybe not) you may find the clip won’t play properly or at all.
Curiously, clips of video from CNN, Sky, Youtube, Guido Fawkes and even unwanted cheapy pop-up ads all play fine on both my computers – but whenever I try and play anything from the beeb’s multi-billion funded organisation with its huge investment in “delivering internet content” – it hardly ever works.
Maybe somebody ought to do a bit of investigative journalism on it.
Finally Merry Christmas everybody -and let’s hope for a change of government and maybe the beginning of the end for our State Propaganda Service in the new year!
I’ve always been against moderation of this blog, but after reading the above nitwit post I’m wholly now in favour. Andrew, Slasher, where are you? Help!
re: my reference to the nitwit post – I meant the one from A. S.
“So all of you people are really sure thats its not a false flag operation are you. So sure you would bet your lives on it?”
Look Atty,get yourself a coulpe of big notepads ans a calculator and give us a quote for demolishing the Trade Towers.
How many internal walls would have to be removed.
The number of holes for the explosives.
How much explosive would be required.
How much igniter cord to connect the detonators.
What firing sequence will produce a straight down collapse.
Give us the number of the crew you need to employ.
This should keep you occupied over Christmas and New Year,usually these things take eighteen months to over two years to plan and execute.
Then when you have worked out what excuse you are going to give the occupants for all the pre-demolition and hole drilling,because they are going to notice all those guys in hardhats wrecking their offices.
Looking forward to hearing from you next year sometime.
Just curious. The Things are just wonderful for Christians in Palestine except for the evil Israelis colour piece has become a predictable BBC Xmas tradition.
Does anyone remember a similar piece on Xmas for Christians in Israel – Nazareth, Jerusalem, Sea of Galilee? How about other countries in the Middle East – Saudi Arabia, Iran or even Jordan?
There is a link to Chaldean Christians but only to call for a release of former Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz.
John Reith Spins in his Grave:
“Curiously, clips of video from CNN, Sky, Youtube, Guido Fawkes and even unwanted cheapy pop-up ads all play fine on both my computers – but whenever I try and play anything from the beeb’s multi-billion funded organisation with its huge investment in “delivering internet content” – it hardly ever works.”
Ditto. I thought it was just me. I’m using a Mac with Firefox and if you saw the mess the BBCs video player causes on my screen, as it fails to play, you’d be laughing.
However, such is the BBCs utter inability to surprise me with their ineptitude, I didn’t so much as raise an eyebrow.
The Liverpool Nativity,did they sing “Away with the Manger”?
BBC blows £120,000 on a Christmas party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=503214&in_page_id=1770
Some of the reports I read in the tabloids stated that Al Beeb were necking crates of champagne costing £200 per bottle.
So some poor old pensioner who can barely afford to warm and feed herself this christmas, has been forced out of fear of prosecution, to part with a large chunk of her meager pension so it can be tipped down the throat of these talentless, blood sucking, coke snorting privilidged leeches.
Makes me want to puke it really does.
BBC blows £60K on Eastenders Christmas Party
“Sources at London’s Prima Bar said waiters had prepared around 250 bottles of Cristal champagne at £215 a pop and 400 bottles of red and white wine at £17 each for the cast, crew and pals to enjoy.
At least £60,000 worth of booze was on offer for the stars • including Lacey Turner, Jake Wood, Kara Tointon, Tiana Benjamin and Laurie Brett • it was claimed. The swanky venue in Tower Hill, London, was closed off to the public.
And last night the BBC admitted paying for a free bar for the stars • but couldn’t say how much had been spent.”
Something else you won’t be reading about on the BBC.
http://things.auditblogs.com/2007/12/24/another-open-letter-to-the-un/
But that’s OK, because according to Richard Black if we cover it well enough elsewhere on blogs then the BBC doesn’t need to report it at all.
Regarding “anonymous” about a ‘man’ arrested on terrorist charges: it was not as good as a BBC news report on a petrol station robbery about a year ago, which went something long the lines of…
“Four men robbed a petrol station at **** today. One of the men ordered a mother out of her car at gunpoint saying he would shoot her baby if she didn’t do as he said. The four men then drove away in her car. Police are looking for four men.”
I’m sure they see themselves communicating with viewers in some sort of secret code along the lines of ‘a nod is as good as a wink to a blind donkey.’
Reg Hammer:
BBC blows £120,000 on a Christmas party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ pages…in_page_id=1770
Some of the reports I read in the tabloids stated that Al Beeb were necking crates of champagne costing £200 per bottle.
Reg Hammer | 24.12.07 – 11:24 am | #
Priceless, “Some of the reports I read in the tabloids”..
According to The Register it was for 4000, which works out at £30 pounds a head. Absolutely disgraceful, an organisation paying £30 a head for a xmas party for workers, many of whom could probably earn far more in the private sector!
I love these frothing-at-the-mouth indignant posts, just shows how petty some of the Beeb’s critics are.
Ben….You didn’t happen to be one of the £30 per head partygoers,did you?
maybe Bens not that important and only went to the £15 a head party at Al Beeb’s Winterfest Meal 😉
In most private companies the WORKERS have to pay for the Christmas party. So how come the BBC feel it’s OK to spent tax payers money funding it?
Oh and why is the BBC celebrating Christmas anyway? Wouldn’t an Islamic celebration be more “right on”
Ben:
“According to The Register it was for 4000, which works out at £30 pounds a head.”
Perhaps you would be so kind as to link to this article on the Register Ben, because as far as I can tell it doesn’t exist.
“Absolutely disgraceful, an organisation paying £30 a head for a xmas party for workers, many of whom could probably earn far more in the private sector!”
Ben, when a company blows the money out of it’s own pockets, I couldn’t care a toss how much it pays for it’s staff Christmas parties. When it blows it out of the pockets of single mums, vulnerable pensioners and the poor, there is NO excess at all that’s acceptable. Not even £1 a head. I don’t care. Adding Christmas excess on to the already excessive wages, bonuses and expenses of your average talentless, lazy Beeboid is an affront to all those who pay their way, and yet cannot afford even the most basic of Christmas’s this year for themselves and their families.
Trust a self-serving, over-privilidged clammy little Beeboid such as yourself to entirely fail to see the wood for the trees.
Martin:
In most private companies the WORKERS have to pay for the Christmas party. So how come the BBC feel it’s OK to spent tax payers money funding it?
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Not just private companies, the public sector too. I’ve worked for the NHS for nearly 30 years. The idea that they would ever pay for our Christmas parties is both laughable and unimaginable.
Have a Merry Christmas everybody. Uh, I mean a solemn, ethnically and culturally diverse Winterval. Phew, could’ve been sent to prison for inciting racial hatred there. That was close.
“Gibby Haynes:
Have a Merry Christmas everybody. Uh, I mean a solemn, ethnically and culturally diverse Winterval. Phew, could’ve been sent to prison for inciting racial hatred there. That was close.
Gibby Haynes | 24.12.07 – 1:45 pm |”
Give it a few years. We’ll be seeing the Gulag again don’t worry.
One consolation – perhaps a few top BBC execs on their way to Barbados for their Winterval sunbathing session are caught in the fog at Heathrow or Gatwick.
No, what am I talking about, all their kids are at private schools which broke up ages ago. They’ll have been long gone.
“Absolutely disgraceful, an organisation paying £30 a head for a xmas party for workers, many of whom could probably earn far more in the private sector!”
Why don’t they work in the private sector then ?
Is this implying there is some kind of vocational Beeboid dedicated to public service? From the CVs of a couple,it looks like the BBC was an escape route from pretty mundane jobs.
jeffD:
Ben….You didn’t happen to be one of the £30 per head partygoers,did you?
jeffD | 24.12.07 – 12:37 pm | #
Nope, not even an invite!
PeterUK:
“Why don’t they work in the private sector then ?”
Because it would actually mean DOING work rather than having meetings about it. They’d also have to split from the safety of the pack, and liberals are incapable of fending for themselves as we all know.
As Ben has never done a days work in his life his little utopian ideals of working in the ‘private sector’ will be as a reality shock when he discovers it’s not just a lot of public schoolies standing around chanting sixth form politics to each other.
Ben:
“Nope, not even an invite!”
Ah, so your unabated sicophancy hasn’t paid off yet?
Never mind, there’s always next year.
Reg Hammer:
Perhaps you would be so kind as to link to this article on the Register Ben, because as far as I can tell it doesn’t exist.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/20/bbc_jelly_bonding/
Ben, when a company blows the money out of it’s own pockets, I couldn’t care a toss how much it pays for it’s staff Christmas parties. When it blows it out of the pockets of single mums, vulnerable pensioners and the poor, there is NO excess at all that’s acceptable. Not even £1 a head. I don’t care. Adding Christmas excess on to the already excessive wages, bonuses and expenses of your average talentless, lazy Beeboid is an affront to all those who pay their way, and yet cannot afford even the most basic of Christmas’s this year for themselves and their families.
Reg Hammer | 24.12.07 – 1:00 pm | #
I know you’ll find this hard to stomach, but the BBC, contrary to many of their recent actions, tries to attract pretty high calibre applicants for their positions. There is a certain standard they have to meet if they want some talent.
The bottom line is, you’d probably rather BBC staff didn’t get a single penny from the public. And hold an annual self-flagellation contest. Most other people are slightly more realistic about what is reasonable.
I don’t know which private companies you’ve worked for that make you pay for your own Christmas party, but I can’t say I know a single person that has had to. Additionally, this isn’t that unusual for public sector.
I know the above is going to get me grief, but seriously think some people here don’t do their cause any favours. But Merry Christmas anyway!
As Ben has never done a days work in his life his little utopian ideals of working in the ‘private sector’ will be as a reality shock when he discovers it’s not just a lot of public schoolies standing around chanting sixth form politics to each other.
Reg Hammer | 24.12.07 – 3:09 pm | #
Another ridiculous statement yet again showing certain people have no idea what they are going on about…
Why don’t they work in the private sector then ?
Is this implying there is some kind of vocational Beeboid dedicated to public service? From the CVs of a couple,it looks like the BBC was an escape route from pretty mundane jobs.
PeterUK | Homepage | 24.12.07 – 2:25 pm | #
Because it’s one of the most respected and well known organisations in the world?
The bottom line is, you’d probably rather BBC staff didn’t get a single penny from the public.
Amen to that. Basically, that’s what this is all about.
Because it’s one of the most respected and well known organisations in the world?
Hilarious.
“Because it’s one of the most respected and well known organisations in the world?”
So they could just as easily become Catholic priests then?
“I know you’ll find this hard to stomach, but the BBC, contrary to many of their recent actions, tries to attract pretty high calibre applicants for their positions. There is a certain standard they have to meet if they want some talent.”.
Is that why you didn’t get an “invite” (sic) then Ben?
Ben:
“There is a certain standard they have to meet if they want some talent.”
Talent? Talent??? At the BBC? You jest Ben, surely.
What is this standard then, because as far as I can tell the only standards the BBC are interested in recruiting conform to the usual check-list below in order of priority:
Ethnic minority
Gay or lesbian
Middle class women
Middle class men
University educated – (Mandatory)
Incidentally if you are cleaning the toilets at the BBc you can strike all of the above from the checklist except for:
Ethnic minority
If the BBC were recruiting people on merits of their talent they’d be looking for film-makers with proven showreels not a degree in media studies. They’d seek writers with ability not political ideals. They would seek their staff on ABILITY not STATUS.
Please let me know which of the above check list you ticked Ben.
“The bottom line is, you’d probably rather BBC staff didn’t get a single penny from the public. And hold an annual self-flagellation contest. Most other people are slightly more realistic about what is reasonable.”
Talk about use a sledgehammer to crack a nut – If this is this the best you can do to counter an argument Ben, my first point with regards to ‘talent’ is proven conclusively?
My argument was that as the BBC indulge themselves in excess at the public’s expense DAILY, they should not be entitled to do so at Christmas time. Especially as they spend so much of their time vilifying OTHER’S capitalistic excess all year round.
With such public funded bodies as the NHS I”m all for them having a Christmas slap up at the tax payers expense. They have after all spent the year SAVING lives, in contrast to the BBC who have spent all year ENDANGERING lives.
Self-flagellation Ben? Yes, there’s nothing like a bit of exaggeration of any form of criticism opposing lefty opinion.
It’s what you do best. Your only talent I’m sure. But talent enough to ensure you meet that ‘certain standard’ to secure gainful employment at Al Beeb.
Ben:
“Because it’s one of the most respected and well known organisations in the world?”
I love the fact that your answer is posed as a question.
Amusing irony.
“They would seek their staff on ABILITY not STATUS.”
Why play dumb Reg? They want the university educated because they are all indoctrinated and brain washed marxists.
WoAD (UK):
“Why play dumb Reg? They want the university educated because they are all indoctrinated and brain washed marxists.”
True.
But even the suggestion that British universities are a hotbed of talent or the BBC is a recruiter of it has to be the most ludicrous bullshit I’ve ever heard.
How many succesful musicians, writers, film-makers and artists throughout history have attributed their ‘talent’s to their univeristy educations.
Only a Beeboid mind could possibly believe that education automatically equates to talent.
“And hold an annual self-flagellation contest”.
Well,I don’t think a whip round for the Christmas party would go amiss.
I won”t comment on the checklist other than to say you are way off.
“If the BBC were recruiting people on merits of their talent they’d be looking for film-makers with proven showreels not a degree in media studies. They’d seek writers with ability not political ideals. They would seek their staff on ABILITY not STATUS.”
I can’t say I’ve met anyone at the BBC with a degree in media studies (though I’m sure there are a few). Don’t know about the writing.
“Talk about use a sledgehammer to crack a nut – If this is this the best you can do to counter an argument Ben, my first point with regards to ‘talent’ is proven conclusively?”
Having read some of the comments on this site, I think I’m being rather restrained.
“My argument was that as the BBC indulge themselves in excess at the public’s expense DAILY, they should not be entitled to do so at Christmas time. Especially as they spend so much of their time vilifying OTHER’S capitalistic excess all year round.”
Nicely sweeping that.
Anyway, I’m off, thanks for keeping me amused – and be careful with that cranberry sauce or you’ll drown us all.
We have an annual dinner dance at my very large FTSE100 private sector company, open to all staff at each location, CEO to office cleaner.
If the company has done well its free to staff but partners pay, if the company has had a poor year we all pay, if it’s had an exceptional year staff and partners go free. Cost is usually around £15-20 per head and no alcohol is included, you buy that yourself.
BBC Featherbedding, it’s what we do because we are so worth it!