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There was a piece on the cruel Israelis and their collective punishment of the poor innocent peace loving inhabitants of Gaza on this morning’s Toady programme (sometime between 06:30 and 07:00) that may bear some analysis.
I see the BBC are really giving a lot of time to the MOST IMPORTANT story of the day!!
Northern Rock? Er no
The world wide melt down in the stock markets? Er no
Iraq? What’s that then?
Afghanistan? ER no
Yes, cooking for kids. How come we can get a fat slob like Ed Balls to turn up on TV and radio on the BBC (he’s everywhere) but Darling, Mr Bean etc are missing in action?
Mr Bean get out from under that table!
Listened to Today programme on my way in to work just now. Jim Naughtie interviewing a financial expert from the City about the current financial situation. The expert was very measured, explaining that there was a lot of “sentiment” in the market currently and this doesn’t always mean people are behaving very rationally. Naughtie really didn’t like this and then, increasingly desperately, tried to force this guy to “admit” there was a fundamental crisis going on. It all sounded quite odd and unbalanced.
And then the penny dropped.
If you spend your formative years on a diet of Marx and then (in Naughtie’s case) work for years on the Guardian as its most senior political writer, some Marxist dogma becomes second nature. Namely, that one day (“oh one day please, God”), capitalism’s “inherent internal contradictions” will force its own collapse.
For many old Trots, baby-boomers and superannuated soixante-huitards working at the BBC, today’s financial turmoil is viagra. After decades of being shown how insane their economic analysis is, they can begin to hope again today that capitalism will come crashing down. Hence their attempts to talk up the crash as much as possible.
Listen to the coverage today. Hear the longing in their voices. Then watch as capitalism rights itself again (perhaps not painlessly).
Why must business and economic coverage on the BBC be presented from a generally illiterate and left-wing perspective (Evan Davies aside)?
Looking forward to the Beeb doing a follow up to Channel 4s excellent hatchet job on Ken Leninspart.
Dispatches covers the subjects Panorama won’t touch….
I think we can expect the Met Police under the advice of the BBC (a la BBC Newsnight and the last C4 investigation) to investigate Channel 4.
Thank you Admiral for expressing so clearly what I have been feeling for a few weeks now about the BBC coverage of the “credit crunch”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7201757.stm
“Mr Zuhri called on neighbouring countries to demonstrate in support of Gaza, and urged Egypt to open the Rafah border crossing into the territory.”
Funny how the BBC line has changed – only last week they were saying that ISRAEL controlled Rafah and the border….
Yeah Martin I saw that cooking piece too, drivel passing itself off as ‘news’.
I also agree with the Admiral re the BBCs stance on capitalism. Profundities like [gasp!] stock markets go down as well as up causing the presenters to froth wildly.
The world needs business, trade, entrepreneurs, employees, goods, media, and advertising in order to function, create wealth, and fund worthwhile things like er, the BBC.
Capitalism means inevitable ups and downs, but what the bruvvers at the Beeb don’t yet grasp is that socialism equals a permanent recession. Socialists know how to spend hard earned wealth but not create it.
As Richard Littlejohn says in his review of Channel 4’s ‘Dispatches’ programme last night about Livingstone:
“With the exception of the admirable columnist and author Nick Cohen, the ‘liberal’ media” (and we can assign the BBC a leading role here), “has always indulged and flattered Livingstone. Until now. First Andrew Gilligan of London’s Evening Standard, started lifting the stones..”
“Last night, Channel 4 broadcast a documentary by Martin Bright of the Left’s house magazine the New Statesman, which revealed the true venality of Red Ken.”
Richard Littlejohn: scroll down to-
‘Red Ken: the worms turn with a vengeance’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/dailymail.html?in_article_id=509634&in_page_id=1790
You’ve got to laugh. On the BBC’s education page there is a link to a story, thus :
Funding for 60,000 more students
The government funds 60,000 more first time student places in England by 2011, but there are critics of its approach
On reading this, I thought to myself “Yup, and I’ll bet I know what those critics will be saying.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7201228.stm
And so it proved. The article allows the government and its puffers full scope to say how wonderful its changes will be; and a decent scope for dissent • by people eager to say that the government should be spending more money.
re Admiral .
‘why must business and economic coverage from the bbc be presented from a generally illiterate and left- wing perspective ?’
.. Simple, because if you are a beeboid, you have almost certainly no experience of working in industry , or running a small business, both ocupations you tend to look down on as uncreative and boring.
Also providing exciting, edgy & provocative material is more important than mere mundane facts, so when you want a point of view, you ask a hedgie rather than a widget manufacturer.
When you want a quote on the governments’ latest tax imposition, you ask a chancer like Richard Branson, rather than the representative from the FSB, who’s members employ a thousand times as many people as Branson.
At 4.45 am on World Service I caught the end of an interview with a journalist from a London-based Arab newspaper. He was saying that in the face of demonstrations against Israel throughout the Arab world some of his own people were beginning to ask why no-one from the Arab press has questioned the extent of Hamas’ responsibility for the plight of the Gazans, and whether there was an element of exaggeration by Hamas as to the extent of the crisis. He also said that there were people in the Arab world, and even in Iran, who did accept Israel’s right to exist, and who were wondering why the Arab press didn’t question the advisability of continuing to support extremist leadership.
Later this morning I heard a BBC presenter questioning an Egyptian spokesperson about their own border with Gaza, and why, in the face of a humanitarian crisis they didn’t step in with or without Israel’s permission, as they did during the Hajj? He replied that while Gaza was illegally occupied by Hamas they were unable to do so.
Maybe the BBC tanker begins to change course?
I can’t find anything at all on the BBC website about Ken Livingstone. Am I looking in the wrong place, or is this being kept very quiet?
Beeboids are getting desperate – they’ve wheeled out Polly the Sheepish to shill for them:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2244654,00.html
Funny how, given she works for The Guardian, she never mentions the huge subsidy that paper gets in the form of BBC recruitment advertising. Disclosure and transparency and all that.
If they’re reduced to using Polly, can the Yazzmonster be far behind?
I was also amazed when I saw this (Tuesday) mornings BBC Breakfast Show news priorities. When the British army is fighting 2 wars , the stock market is heading south and the Govt has just given god only knows how many Billions to a bank to keep it afloat the big item was about the introduction of compulsory cooking lessons in British Schools. The schools minister Ed Balls was on the sofa and given an amazingly easy ride by the BBC reporterette. There were no questions on what lessons these cooking lessons would replace i.e would there be less hours devoted to science ? and when Ed Balls admitted many schools don’t actually have kitchens she didn’t ask if there would be extra money for them to build them.
To be honest I’m not sure this is deliberate bias anymore its just poor lazy journalism. I suspect someone in Ed Balls dept sent in a press release told them Ed was available and probably wrote them the questions as well.
Funny how the BBC line has changed – only last week they were saying that ISRAEL controlled Rafah and the border….
dave t | 22.01.08 – 9:34 am
To mangle an old saying,
O, what a tangled web they weave
When first they practice to deceive
The BBC, Its hatred of Israel and half a story.
Israel eases restrictions on Gaza
Israel has allowed a shipment of fuel into Gaza, easing its blockade of the territory following widespread international criticism.
Lorries carrying domestic cooking gas and fuel for the Strip’s sole power plant entered the Nahal Oz border crossing, east of Gaza City. Israel shut border crossings last Thursday, after a spate of rocket attacks from the Hamas-run territory. But it faced accusations of imposing illegal “collective punishment”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7201757.stm
The BBC reports somewhat jubilantly that Israel has relented to world (read BBC) opinion and reopened her borders in which to allow the people who are waging a war against them to continue to do so. To that end the BBC has aired a number of web pages in which the plight of Hamas is shoved down the readers throat in which to reinforce the victim card.
Want to know about how bad people in Gaza have had it since 1947;
“Egypt administered the Strip for the next 19 years, but Israel conquered it during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and Gaza has been under Israeli control since then.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5122404.stm
Yup read how an autonomous area known as Gaza was administered by Egypt but conquered by Israel.
Comments from readers, nearly all are dismissive of Hamas but guess what political flavour are the first you get to read?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/7201304.stm
How are the poor Hamas leaders coping with all this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7201524.stm
All the reports from the BBC are one-sided and negative towards Israel. Here are two main reasons (from today) which the BBC hasn’t mentioned in its very biased reporting from the region;
Palestinian gunmen shoot at farmers near Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200572514201&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Gaza militants resume rockets attacks at Israel
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/6343138.html
Gaza has run itself since 2005, it had the opportunity in which to better its lot. Instead of improving its lot, the leaders of Gaza have instead improved the ability to launch strikes against a sovereign country. Why hasn’t anybody from the BBC mentioned this? Instead all we get from the BBC is victim this, victim that? Since when have the instigators of violence become the victims. Well according to the BBC they are. Because of the BBC the British people hate Israel. Because of the BBC Radical Islamic terrorism is portrayed as a victim. Tell me when was the last time somebody portrayed the BNP (As odious as they are) as victims. Will anybody at the BBC class them as misguided criminals? Yet the last I looked nobody from the BNP has set off bombs or attempted to in the UK.
Oh and here’s good one. If Gaza lost 30% of her electricity does that equate to a blackout. If so what happened to the other 70% of Electricity it still receives?
The BBC, Its hatred of Israel and half a story.
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip, Jan 21, 2008 (AP) Egyptian border guards fired in the air and used clubs and water cannon to drive back hundreds of Palestinian women who surged across the border from Gaza Tuesday in a protest to back their demands for the frontier to be opened for shipments of food and essential provisions, in short supply due to Israel’s closure of its borders with the coastal strip. Eyewitnesses said 15 women injured in the scuffle with the Egyptians were taken from the Rafah border crossing by Palestinian ambulances. They said several thousand women, carrying Hamas flags, demonstrated at the Palestinian side of the crossing. (Posted @ 16:55 PST)
Cruel Egyptians hurting innocent Hamas women, BBC?
Seems like Egypt doesn’t like Hamas any more than Israel?
1327 | 22.01.08 – 11:02 am |
To be honest I’m not sure this is deliberate bias anymore its just poor lazy journalism.
When comparing BBC with other news outlets, this is exactly what I see.
The bias is a byproduct, not the cause of, *on average*, poorly educated humanities majors, who have no clue about how the real world functions.
BTW,
BBC constantly downplays the fact that Egypt controls the border to Gaza.
“Egyptian border guards fired in the air and used clubs and water cannon to drive back hundreds of Palestinian women”
If this AP report is not proof positive that Egypt controls the border and Egyptian soldiers have “full body contact” with Gaza (female) residents, than I don’t know what is.
It seems it is a well established pattern of behavior of Arab leaders to hide their own politics behind the big bad Israel and avoid condemnation themselves.
pounce | 22.01.08 – 12:19 pm |
The BBC, Its hatred of Israel and half a story
I tried to figure out and post my conclusions as to why the BBC and Euro Left so obviously hate Israel:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/5203690003280206318/#378535
Even worse for the British public, it is now obvious from the Al-Sudais affair and others examples of hate-speech and incitement in UK Mosques, that BBC knew, but constantly ignored and failed to warn the public about it, years prior to 7/7.
Why? – because most of the warnings and translations of their sermons came from sources “tainted by Israel” as BBC sees them – like MEMRI and Jewish anti-hate speech groups in North America.
As I said before while Canada and the US were banning these preachers of hate (like Al-Sudais) while BBC promoted them as examples of “community cohesion”, etc.
This was 1 year before 7/7! Some of the bombers might have been recruited following one of these sermons.
So not only does BBC hate Israel, but their blind hatred of anything related to Israel, actually directly endangers the British public.
A top-sliced licence fee will trigger the BBC’s destruction
(Toynbee Alert! Toynbee Alert! Click with caution)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2244725,00.html
Just saw some smug BBC ***t on BBC News 24 grinning with glee over the problems with the US economy, blaming George Bush (yawn yawn yawn)
Grinning when he said that the announcement that the 150 billion injection Bush announced along with the big interest cut won’t stop the US economy going down the pan.
But hang on BBC liberals, what about the fat bald corrupt politicians that run OUR Country?
Where is Mr Bean or his hand puppet the Chancelleor telling us what they are going to do here?
Cut taxes, cut spending, cut interest rates?
Er no some big fat tub of lard called Balls goes on TV to talk about cooking pasta in schools.
Could anyone imagine the BBC giving the Tories such an easy time of it?
BBC: Death by a thousand top-slices
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/18/bbc_top_slicing/
“So the people who profess to love Auntie Beeb the most will be the ones who help kill it.”
I don’t know anyone who thinks the BBC is value for money, except those that work for it, such as Toynbe, Abbot and Alabi Brown.
Scrap the BBC and make the bastards there get proper jobs.
Yet more bollocks from the BBC (nothing new there I hear you say)
Is it safe to walk the streets at night (or even in the day)
Here’s a quote from the article
“…In October, the Home Office said robbery in England and Wales was down 9% on the previous year. In London robberies fell 15% in 2007…”
Reference source BBC? The Home Office? They don’t know their arse from their elbow
And another classic from the same article
“…Were they ever? While some hold the 1950s and 60s up as a golden era when community values held sway, going back another 100 years reveals a different picture altogether…”
Going back anothe 100 years???!?!?!?
What is the point of that? To divert the reader away from the failures of the scum in charge of us?
What was that saying form the dickhead that ruined this Country?
“Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”
Violent crime is on the rise, everyone knows that, the BBC are just making excuses for the vile garbage that runs this Country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7201193.stm
Also note the quote they’ve highlighted from 1866.
Perhaps a quote from the widow of the man who was kicked to death might be more appropriate?
If you prats at the BBC can’t get the truth out, then say nothing.
Scrap the BBC and make the bastards there get proper jobs.
Martin | 22.01.08 – 3:22 pm | #
Please, keep it up
dave t | 22.01.08 – 9:34 am |
Funny how the BBC line has changed – only last week they were saying that ISRAEL controlled Rafah and the border….
Sue | 22.01.08 – 10:11 am |
Later this morning I heard a BBC presenter questioning an Egyptian spokesperson about their own border with Gaza, and why, in the face of a humanitarian crisis they didn’t step in with or without Israel’s permission, as they did during the Hajj? He replied that while Gaza was illegally occupied by Hamas they were unable to do so.
Maybe the BBC tanker begins to change course?
There does seem to be a light dawning, if only slightly. In the relevant online articles put up in the last couple of days, I saw things like this:
“Egypt is threatening to open crossing points into the Gaza Strip if Israel does not relent.”
Full article here.
I don’t know what caused this slight change in temperament. Perhaps the steady stream of complaints have become to the BBC, like the Qassam rockets are to Israel, “a kind of Chinese water torture.” Maybe even John Reith had a quiet word with someone behind closed doors. If so, thanks, JR.
See we, don’t want 100% Israel love all the time. Just a little more accuracy and less full-on Palestinian mythos. It’s not difficult, and I welcome this small step back from the abyss.
The next step is to get the BBC to occasionally (hell, even once) mention that the main reason Israel views Hamas as an enemy is because they still call for the destruction of Israel in their Charter. I would imagine that the folks at the BBC know all about Charters.
Ben, a few years mate and you WILL be looking for another job:
“So it looks like the end of the unique, state-centric model for funding the BBC. An incoming Conservative administration is unlikely to be more sympathetic to the BBC, with its stifling bureucracy and monopoly control over a compulsory tax.”
Oh happy days!!! Still I’m sure all of the soon-to-be-sacked BBC employees will find some other public sector employment to leech off.
The BBC, its version of the home made rockets launched at israel and half a story.
BBC version.
‘Wartime’ in Israeli border town
The good news, for Or Cohen, is that she has managed to coax people out of their houses in Sderot. “Everyone is so sad and so anxious,” she says. “People told me they were afraid to leave their homes”. In the end, though, a little more than 100 people – mainly residents from Sderot – turned up at the town’s new community centre to join in that evening’s celebrations marking the festival of Tu B’Shevat, the Jewish “New Year for Trees”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7203040.stm
Well it can’t be that bad if the jews can still celebrate. And here is the story the pro Hamas BBC doesn’t tell you.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Missile+fire+from+Gaza+on+Israeli+civilian+targets+Aug+2007.htm
The BBC, its version of the home made rockets launched at israel and half a story.
The BBC and how it attacks Spain for arresting Pakistani muslims.
Arrests worry Barcelona’s Pakistanis
The arrests last weekend of 12 Pakistanis and two Indians in the Spanish city of Barcelona have sparked a mixture of disbelief, indignation and sadness among the estimated 25,000 Pakistanis living in the city.
………….
He is particularly upset that police raided a mosque at night, where some of the detained were arrested.
………..
Mr Ilyas insists that the Pakistanis living in Barcelona are “hard workers, peaceful, mind their own business and abide by Spanish law. If a few are criminals that doesn’t mean we all are the same.”
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He has been living in Barcelona for five years and is sceptical about the bomb-related material the police put on display. “I just see two small batteries and some cables… What can you do with that?
………
Since the al-Qaeda attacks in Madrid in March 2003, Pakistanis have been active in anti-terrorism demonstrations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7202393.stm
Yup according to the BBC to be Young, gifted and Muslim means you can only be a victim. Lets be serious here the BBC doesn’t even mention the European tour of Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf as maybe a reason for Ali and the 13 others from blowing themselves up. But hey that’s the BBc defending Islamic terrorism again.
The BBC and how it attacks Spain for arresting Pakistani muslims.
Shock and awe this morning on the World Service, a Muslim commentator took exception to Hamas latest political stunt, he made some very pertinent points about why Hamas should not be trusted to tell the truth.
Of course he also took the time to attack Israel, however, the basic thrust of his interview was balanced, what a pity that the BBC in it’s own reporting is so clearly biased, the presenter of the show clearly was unsure how to respond to some of the points made against Hamas.
So a qualified well done to the World Service!.
The BBC, how it defends Hamas and literally half the story.
Gunfire at Egypt’s Gaza crossing
Egyptian security guards have fired into the air and used water cannon to drive back Palestinian women who tried to surge across the border from Gaza. Hundreds of Palestinians demanded the Rafah crossing to Egypt be reopened for vital supplies that are scarce because of Israel’s blockade of Gaza. A number of people were injured, mostly in scuffles, but several were seriously hurt, according to reports.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7202797.stm
BBC version. Shots only from Egyptian side, all injured are women (photo to substantiate that claim) Blames America and Israel.
Here is how al-Jazeera (A real Muslim news site BBC) reports the same story;
Angry Gazans storm Rafah crossing
Dozens of Palestinian protesters have stormed the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, demanding that the frontier be opened to ease the blockade imposed on the territory by Israel. Several protesters were wounded as Egyptian police opened fire in the air and used batons and water canons to push back the protesters.At least four Palestinians were wounded, medics said. Eleven Egyptian policemen were injured, including one from gunfire and the other 10 from rocks thrown at them.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6934A45C-AE0D-44D8-B1B0-039D7E73DF8C.htm
Hang on the BBC paints the image that only women got hurt. Al J tells a completely different story.In fact here is the AL J video tells a different story from the BBC one
Have a look out for the men at the back urging the women forward. (Note the clip where children are pushed against the eygptain guards) Yup women appeal much more to the worlds media (esp the BBC) then listen as gunshots are heard from within the crowd. The BBC doesn’t even mention that. The Egyptians fire back later. Oh and one last thing the BBC gives the impression that this was just an ad hoc congregation of women appealing to leave Gaza. Any of the clones want to comment on all the Hamas headbands worn by the ninjas? It’s a Political set up and the BBC doesn’t mention that fact. Thank Allah Al Jazeera can report the news.
The BBC, how it defends Hamas and literally half the story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7202797.stm
“But violence broke out as Palestinians tried to get past Egyptian security forces at the terminal, Gaza’s only border post that bypasses Israel.”
And they’ve put a wee map showing the main road through Gaza which also shows that Israel DOES not control Rafah! Funny how this is a total about turn from the BBC’s claims last week hmm?
So to those people who claim we have no effect…maybe just maybe even though it is small and a tiny thing the BBC have listened for once. Then again they simply changed the story from last week without apologising for the original misleading articles.
Questions for Dr David Gregory: I begin my post by noting that President Bush has an environmentally friendly house, while Al Gore does not. I then pose some questions for Dr. Gregory here.
(If he answers me directly, I’ll post a follow-up here.)
“But hey that’s the BBc defending Islamic terrorism again.”
Un-Islamic activities please!
Jim Miller: Your link doesn’t work I’m afraid. Please email me direct if it’s easier david dot gregory at bbc dot co dot uk.
Cheers
Dave
Peter wrote;
“Un-Islamic activities please!”
Ok just for you
The BBC, it’s promotion of Chavez, FARC and half a story.
EU to keep Farc on ‘terror list’
The European Union has insisted it will not remove Colombia’s Farc rebels from its “terror list”, despite recent calls by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. “The answer is no. There is no reason to change our position,” said EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana after talks with Colombia’s president
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Earlier this month, the Venezuelan president urged the US and European governments to stop treating Colombian left-wing rebel groups as terrorists. After helping to broker the release of two high-profile hostages, Mr Chavez said the Farc and the National Liberation Army (ELN) were armies with a political project and should be recognised as such if peace talks were to progress.
The Colombian president immediately rejected his call and the EU has supported his stance.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7203206.stm
The BBC reports on how the EU and Colombia still refer to FARC as terrorists even after Chavez got FARC to release those two hostages. Here is something the BBC doesn’t mention in the above which transpired 4 days after FARC released the above.
New Farc kidnappings in Colombia
The authorities in Colombia say left-wing Farc rebels have kidnapped six tourists on a beach in the province of Choco, on Colombia’s Pacific coast. One of the tourists is reportedly a Norwegian national and the other five are Colombians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7188509.stm
I wonder if the above had anything to do with how the EU voted on FARC. Funny how the BBC left out that snippet. But hey can’t have Chavez looking bad can we.
The BBC, it’s promotion of Chavez, FARC and half a story.
So to those people who claim we have no effect…maybe just maybe even though it is small and a tiny thing the BBC have listened for once…
dave t | 22.01.08 – 7:09 pm | #
Yes – I think they are beginning to move.
I’ve come to the conclusion over the years that the main defining feature of liberal/left types is – they’re just very slow learners.
After the second world war it took them about thirty years to realise communism was going nowhere.
Now they’re just coming to terms with the failure of the 60’s social and educational experiments.
Maybe in the next few years they’ll cotton on to radical islam.
Meanwhile the rest of us just have to grind our teeth and wait for them to catch up.
I think it’s something to do with having to climb down gently from the peak of their intellectual vanity (they would call it “idealism”).
David Gregory: Here’s the correct link.
Sorry for the earlier mistake. Must have added a letter or two by mistake, after I pasted the link.
pounce | 22.01.08 – 7:02 pm |
Thanks! Very important footage and comments from Al-Jazeera.
It clearly shows an orchestrated Hamas PR stunt and cowardly (ab)use of women and children in an unpredictable and dangerous situation. Only after the women were in close proximity to the Egyptian soldiers, did the Hamas cowards behind them fire. What if a panicked Egyptian guard started spraying bullets. There would be a massacre.
JR, maybe now, when there were no Israelis involved, so that Al-Jazeera doesn’t edit the footage so that only Israel can be blamed, you see why the civilian casualties are often more than 30%.
Furthermore, by sheer stupidity of marching on Egyptians, Hamas has totally blown the cover on another carefully sculpted BBC myth of Israel controlling all the crossings to Gaza.
Wasn’t this discussed on this board just a few days ago!
The footage also clearly shows that Arab world is not behind the Palestinians. Mubarak is just hiding behind evil Israel and is in fact much more afraid of Muslim Brotherhood than Israel is. Just like Fatah.
More importantly for this board:
Good morning Britain, BBC is now officially more extreme than Al-Jazeera. All the best BBC journalists are now there, anyways.
“Wasn’t this discussed on this board just a few days ago!”
Yes but we never got any hard and fast replies or rebuttals from JR about the facts concerning Rafah and its location and who actually controls it. They just gnored it and then changed the details – good old Winston Smith still has a job at the Beeb I see!
Doubleplus Rafah untruth amend malquote to truefact delete Israel insert Egypt doublegood undo!
Wonder if AL Bowen has been told to get his backside down there to show the reality of Hamas and how they manipulate the media. Oh wait, that would undo decades of careful editing and reporting by the BBC’s (and AP, AFP, Reuters etc etc) unbiased and balanced news personnel….
And another point – the BBC et al always say ‘we are filming this under control of MoD, and “they say they’ve killed x Taliban but it has not been confirmed by the BBC” etc’ when at war – how come they NEVER say that (a) they are doing the same in Gaza ie filming under the eyes of armed guards and (b)using stringers whose story will be more than likely lies or propaganda which they never qualify by saying “this report was compiled by local news sources and the BBC cannot verify it” but often accept it as the literal truth?
In the BBC world British Army equals lying toads, Hamas terrorists equal brave little Johnny freedom fighter whose only weapon is the sword of truth….
Alan wrote;
” Only after the women were in close proximity to the Egyptian soldiers, did the Hamas cowards behind them fire.”
Just had another butchers at the clip. At 1.40 watch the two people on the righthand gate. Are they shot by the Gunman with the AK. The very same gunman who is getting pushed to safety by the crowd?
pounce: The BBC reporting is just a total disgrace. Clal themselves professional journalists?
I’ve pissed better quality down the toilet than works at the BBC.
pounce,
That would be un-Columbian activities?
Jim Miller
“Questions for Dr David Gregory: I begin my post by noting that President Bush has an environmentally friendly house, while Al Gore does not. I then pose some questions for Dr. Gregory here.”
Interesting link.
Remember that Al Gore FLIES everywhere, racking up air miles in an hilariously ironic attempt to save the planet. His film is blatantly unscientific.
For him to accept the Nobel Prize is like Hitler accepting an award from the Jewish Defence League.
As if he would have lifted a finger to save the planet if he was elected president. Tosser!
Good for the BBC;
Mayor’s advisor resigns over lieAn adviser to mayor Ken Livingstone has resigned after lying about taking a free luxury weekend in Africa. Rosemary Emodi, deputy to the mayor’s chief race adviser Lee Jasper, last week denied visiting a £200-a-night resort in Nigeria last November. But when the BBC confronted her on Tuesday with evidence she flew there with airline Virgin Nigeria, Ms Emodi immediately tendered her resignation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7203371.stm
Just watched BBC’s Horizon on sensory deprivation.An interesting documentary spoiled by the beeb’s attempt to discredit the USA.At the end of the programme one of the scientists stated ,quite rightly,that people were still being held in these conditions around the world.Never once did he mention the USA.But the Beeb,in their wisdom,showed nothing but footage from Guantanamo Bay.As the programme finished there was a link to the 10 o’clock BBC News where the main news story seemed to be that on some far away desert island the sea is rising!
How much of this brainwashing crap do we have to put up with.
dave t | 22.01.08 – 9:09 pm,
Jittery about getting too close to Hamasland after Alan Johnston’s experience, the BBC is probably relying on Hamas-friendly stringers that Al Jazeera wont touch, and believing every lie they utter. But it has been evident for quite some time that al Jazeera is more reliable than the BBC. So here we have the “impartial” British BBC being outclassed by an Arab outfit which, although definitely anti-Israel, still has enough journalistic integrity to bring the public the truth in any situation.
This is absolutely incredible. You can’t make this stuff up.
John Reith,
Well, here’s a Ha’aretz headline today:
“A special Palestinian Authority court in Hebron on Tuesday sentenced two PA employees to 15 years in jail for shooting dead two Israelis hiking near Hebron last month.”
Do you still maintain that it was honest for the BBC to refer to the pre-meditated attack on and murder of Israeli hikers by Palestinian militants as a “clash between forces?” If so, why did a Palestinian court sentence the gunmen to 15 years in prison today? “According to the Palestinian inquiry, the attack was PREMEDITATED (my caps), and the terrorists had waited for an opportune time to carry it out. One of the terrorists spotted the three Israeli hikers, and called the other two terrorists to the scene in order to carry out the attack. ”
Do you really believe if the PA thought this was a “clash between forces” they would have tried and sentenced these men?
And you continue to defend this bias? Abhorrent. “”They were criminals who carried out a criminal act against Israelis,” said Samil al-Safi, a security official in Hebron.”
You should admit you are wrong and the BBC was wrong and biased to present it in this way, period.
Here’s the link: http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/947206.html