It’s been going on for eight nights. Baffled BBC bods are scratching their heads.
“It is not clear what triggered the riots”
Dumb Jon attempts to decipher the entrails :
Denmark – Mysterious “youths” in Mysterious Rioting
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p and a tale of one chip | 20.02.08 – 9:10 am |
As David P notes, the riots have been going on for years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/03/world/main2533538.shtml
Read the CBS article and the pattern of a few disgruntled muslims becomes less clear as these riots seem to have every man and his dog with a grudge joining in: immigrants, squatters, nutters, anarchists and assorted left wing headbangers from neighbouring countries.
How about using the actual article I linked to which made it clear that it’s been angry Mohammedans all along?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts
I don’t appreciate your using my name in support of a contrary opinion.
“I don’t appreciate your using my name in support of a contrary opinion”
Calm down. You mentioned the riots had been going on for years, which was all I referred to.
“How about using the actual article I linked to which made it clear that it’s been angry Mohammedans all along?”
Because it’s from Free Republic. It’s about as credible as Democratic Underground, which I wouldn’t reference either. A clearing house for headbangers isn’t a credible source.
So, er, Anti-Aunty Brigade, what exactly is your evidence that it’s the cartoons behind it and not the other thing about stop and search?
Curiously enough Alex evidence is to be found on the BBC website:
Danish Muslims in cartoon protest
Credit where it’s due eh?
See also my comments on that piece at some other place:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/johntrenchard/7315533923716709639/#77940
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No, that’s a protest – and a seemingly non-violent one at that. Your “evidence” just shows what we already knew – that Danish Muslims are a little cheesed off at the moment.
It does not even mention the riot, an entirely separate event. So what reason have you to connect the two events?
p and a tale of one chip | 20.02.08 – 6:20 pm |
Calm down. You mentioned the riots had been going on for years, which was all I referred to.
Which you followed up by saying that the riots were not really a Muslim problem at all. This is an argument against what I was saying. You are misrepresenting my comment when you use it in this way.
“How about using the actual article I linked to which made it clear that it’s been angry Mohammedans all along?”
Because it’s from Free Republic. It’s about as credible as Democratic Underground, which I wouldn’t reference either. A clearing house for headbangers isn’t a credible source.
So basically you dismissed my entire point, but then falsely used my comment in support of your own point. Not cool.
In any case, here are some more sources you can dismiss as not being credible:
Christian Science Monitor
Canada Free Press
Der Spiegel
You’re right Alex, it isn’t clear how Islam can screw up a youths mind so completely.
Maybe this incomplete news reporting is all the BBC can afford to do on £3.5 billion per year. If the corporation didn’t spend millions on masturbation obsessed chat show hosts, soap operas and formulaic ‘dramas’ about hospitals and policemen it could afford a full news reporting service.
“Which you followed up by saying that the riots were not really a Muslim problem at all”
David, it’s best not to get on your high horse about misattribution to then misrepresent what I wrote. Not cool.
There were three main riots in 2006:
1) September 24th – Reclaim the Streets riot – radical leftists
2) Cartoon riots
3) December riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_December_Riot)
In March 2007, the riots were triggered when police cleared squats.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2329185.ece
Your characterisation of the problem as “muslim riots” by stating that the riots have been going on for 3 years and linking to the “muslim riots” article is wrong and overly simplistic.
My original comment is correct. Your paraphrasing of it wasn’t “really a Muslim problem at all” is disingenuous. To repeat:
“the pattern of a few disgruntled muslims becomes less clear as these riots seem to have every man and his dog with a grudge joining in”
“You’re right Alex, it isn’t clear how Islam can screw up a youths mind so completely.”
Ah, I assumed we were just talking about stop and search vs cartoons, and it is unclear which sparked the riots. Surely the BBC doesn’t need to mention “Islam screwing up youths minds” as EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS iSLAM IS THE CAUSE OF all THE PROBLEMS IN THE wORLD!!111!
No need to fake bad spelling Alex. There’s enough errors in the text before it.
If I was you I’d get a refund from whichever public school indoctrinated your feeble mind.
As far as I can work out that even if you tell a Muslim that you don’t like Sharia law they can declare war on you.
Of course its all about uphappy Muslims who are disciminated against, we are discriminating against their rapes, their muggings, their killings their erosion of our freedom of expression, the fact that Muslims are impacting our ability to walk the streets and be safe, our ability to chose our own religion, our ability to fly without getting blown up or suffer huge delays because of security, yes they are getting upset at our discrimination against their Islamic behaviour, the problem is when are our Lords and Masters going to work it out, perhaps not until they have had their stupid elitist heads carved from their infidel shoulders.
p and a tale of one chip | 21.02.08 – 12:03 pm |
Your characterisation of the problem as “muslim riots” by stating that the riots have been going on for 3 years and linking to the “muslim riots” article is wrong and overly simplistic.
My original comment is correct. Your paraphrasing of it wasn’t “really a Muslim problem at all” is disingenuous. To repeat:
“the pattern of a few disgruntled muslims becomes less clear as these riots seem to have every man and his dog with a grudge joining in”
I understand what you think is going on, but your logic is flawed. Part of this is due to my imitation of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s “imprecise” way with words, and part of it is your own mistake. So let me explain.
I realize that I linked to the FreeRepublic article to support my statement that the riots have been going on for three years without explicitly stating that it was Muslims doing it. I’m pretty sure you had a look at the article, even though you dismissed its credibility, so you know that it was about Muslims starting it all. Their anger had been growing for some time due to similar, um, reasons, as the rioters in the French banlieus. Then the Mo cartoons happened, and we get the big noise, yes?
Basically, my point was that Muslims have been rioting for three years and this isn’t new. Not that rioting of any kind is new. I was imprecise like His Agnostic Grace, so I apologize for that. But that is only a small excuse for you not grasping that I meant that it has been a Muslim problem all along.
So when you make your own comment that it’s not just Muslims it’s lots of other disgruntled types all together, that is a different viewpoint. This contradicts my statement – whether you are correct about the demographics of the rioters or not.
Even if I am a nasty racist (oh, wait, many Muslims come from different ethnic backgrounds, so making a supposedly anti-Islamic statement is not, in fact, racist) who thinks that subhuman Mohammedans are responsible for all the past and current problems in Århus, that is still my statement. Right or wrong, that’s what I meant.
You take a contrary position, and then use my own statement in support. This is wrong. Whether you are correct in your assessment or not, our positions are different. Thus you are wrong to use my statement in support of your own.
“Basically, my point was that Muslims have been rioting for three years and this isn’t new. Not that rioting of any kind is new”
Which is meaningless sophistry, and clearly not what you meant originally. Men, teens, leftists, Swedes, Finns, immigrants of various creeds and a host of other nutters have rioted.
The OP – to which you were replying – was about how the BBC is whitewashing the riots to disguise that they are, in essence, muslim riots.
They aren’t, and excepting the cartoon riots of 2006 clearly haven’t been.
The sophistry around “that’s your position, this is mine” doesn’t get over the basic fact that your support for the OP – that these riots are led by muslims, and your inference that they’re part of a chain of “muslim” riots spanning 3 years doesn’t stand up to the facts.
EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS ISLAM IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD!!!
Now that is a trifle unfair, Angry Young Alex. But then again…
Given the death threats from Muslims internationally, and the censorship of free speech and boycotts of Danish goods (see Hizbut Tahrir, and Qaradhawi here):
http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2008/2/21/hizbut-tahrir-protests-blasphemy-against-prophet-muhammad-in-europe/
– It is not suprising for non-Muslims to call for boycott of Muslim goods, as this pro-Danish site does here:
http://www.danishmuhammedcartoons.com/Boycott.html
Compare and contrast
Angry Young Men
Although not an organised and ideologically coherent artistic movement as such, the work of the ‘angry young men’ was characterised by outspoken dissatisfaction with the status quo, particularly the so-called Establishment.
Angry Young Alex
Supporter of the establishment state broadcaster in all it does, happy with the status quo of the BBC’s current status.
Hard to see why some people take their monikers isn’t it?
p and a tale of one chip | 22.02.08 – 9:20 am |
Which is meaningless sophistry, and clearly not what you meant originally. Men, teens, leftists, Swedes, Finns, immigrants of various creeds and a host of other nutters have rioted.
Now you’re just lying. Of course I originally meant that Muslims were behind the riots from the beginning, and have and still do make up the vast majority of them. Why else would I be saying anything? Why do you think I’m complaining about your use of my comment in support of a different position? Are you just making up your own discussion here?
The sophistry around “that’s your position, this is mine” doesn’t get over the basic fact that your support for the OP – that these riots are led by muslims, and your inference that they’re part of a chain of “muslim” riots spanning 3 years doesn’t stand up to the facts.
Of course it does, and I’ve already provided three reliable sources for you, including Der Spiegel and The Christian Science Monitor. You are denying reality just like the BBC. If you care to do some actual research of European sources, you will learn the truth for yourself. Or at least admit what you already know.
“If it’s Friday in the Muslim world..” (Michelle Malkin).
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/22/if-its-friday-in-the-muslim-world/
“Of course I originally meant that Muslims were behind the riots from the beginning”
Yes, David, I know. That is the issue we’re debating.
“I’ve already provided three reliable sources for you, including Der Spiegel and The Christian Science Monitor”
And ignored the sources which disprove it, of course.
Firstly, a comment piece by Judi McLeod largely quoting a blog with an axe to grind about muslims isn’t a credible source.
Secondly, the Spiegel and the CSM piece refer to the cartoon riot of September 2005, which nobody disputes were led by muslims, but which clearly aren’t, by themselves, 3 years of rioting led by muslims.
Let me make this clear, because I’ve provided credible news sources that outline who the various parties rioting over time are. Which of the following were led by muslims, as you say?
September 2006 riots
December 2006 riots
March 2007 riots
Are you actually aware of Denmark’s track history of leftist/anarchist riots like the Battle of Ryesgade?
Sudanese Muslims want Bin Laden to attack Copenhagen:-
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=107089&d=23&m=2&y=2008
Support Denmark:
“Danish cartoons’ row revisited” (video)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7040000/newsid_7042700/7042757.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1