In an act of political desperation, besieged by corruption charges, Israeli PM Osloid Olmert has been engaging in “peace talks” with Syria. These reduce to Olmert potentially handing over the Golan Heights to the Syrian fascists even though most Israelis oppose this. However, if you read this BBC report on the issue, what you get is a massively pro-Olmert spin – starting with the palpable nonsense that Syria will have to make “painful concessions” such as severing its ties with Iran! We all know this is about as unlikely as the BBC voluntarily severing its ties with the license fee. It’s ONLY when you get to the very last sentence that you read that “Mr Olmert is currently battling corruption allegations, and the BBC’s Katya Adler in Jerusalem says the prime minister’s critics believe the confirmation of peace talks may be an attempt to divert some attention from that. ” No. Olmert’s critics are clear that this is an ill-judged attempt by a desperate politician to buy off the liberal-controlled Israeli media, judiciary and Prosecutors office and I am surprised that Katya Asler seems unaware of this. I wonder why? Doesn’t she know what goes on in Israel?
TROLLING FOR OLMERT.
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I would have thought that giving sources to what one states is a normal convention. It makes it easier for the reader to verify and evaluate the information.
gunnar
Please explain that to your friend korova.
Hi Biodegradable
I wished you could be consistent. Korova is just demonstrating what Mr Vance is doing; asserting something and not backing it up by sources.
When I ask Mr Vance for evidence, it is suggested to me that I should find the evidence myself and Mr Vance is not here to spoonfeed me.
Do you agree that Mr Vance should back up his statements with sources?
Korova is just demonstrating what Mr Vance is doing; asserting something and not backing it up by sources.
korova and you both are trolls. David is voicing his opinion, korova is stating an historical ‘allegation’ and refusing to present proof of who made the allegation and on what it is based. He says he has proof but won’t share it with the rest of us.
I could say that I am convinced the moon is made of green cheese and that I can prove it. Unless I show you that proof what would your opinion of me be?
korova is a liar, a troll and a complete waste of oxygen, and I woudn’t be in the least surprised if you and korova are not one and the same person.
Hi Biodegradable
You state:
David is voicing his opinion
This does not look like an opinion, does it?
Olmert’s critics are clear that this is an ill-judged attempt by a desperate politician to buy off the liberal-controlled Israeli media, judiciary and Prosecutors office
Could you please state whether David should back this up or not.
I could say that I am convinced the moon is made of green cheese and that I can prove it. Unless I show you that proof what would your opinion of me be?
I would not believe it but may change my mind depending on your sources.
Same applies to David’s allegations.
korova is a liar, a troll and a complete waste of oxygen
I disagree on all three points.
Mr Vance stated:
However, if you read this BBC report on the issue, what you get is a massively pro-Olmert spin – starting with the palpable nonsense that Syria will have to make “painful concessions” such as severing its ties with Iran!
The source that he is providing does not up his allegations. He misrepresented the facts. I do not know whether this was done on purpose or whether this is a simple mistake, hence I am not going to make any allegations I can not back up.
Biodegradable, do you agree with me, that David has misrepresented what the BBC has written?
and I woudn’t be in the least surprised if you and korova are not one and the same person
Biodegradable | 24.05.08 – 1:17 pm | #
We are not the same person.
Now, I have tried my best to respond to your post. Could you please answer my questions in return.
Olmert’s critics are clear that this is an ill-judged attempt by a desperate politician to buy off the liberal-controlled Israeli media, judiciary and Prosecutors office
gunnar, you have mixed up my comments with those of David Vance and others.
Biodegradable, do you agree with me, that…
I don’t agree with you about anything.
By the way gunnar, I’ve provided a link you requested here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/6808614891879332154/#400077
Hi Biodegradable,
I have taken time to go through your points and have asked you to answer my questions in return. You come back with:
I don’t agree with you about anything.
Biodegradable | 24.05.08 – 2:59 pm |
This is fine, but could you please explain why that is.
Many thanks for the link to Newsniffer.
Indeed the BBC has changed the previous headline, which was factually correct but should have been clearly attributed to Beckett. The next headline the BBC put up is not much better.
I don’t agree with you about anything.
Biodegradable | 24.05.08 – 2:59 pm |
This is fine, but could you please explain why that is.
No.
I commented here on gunnar’s style of debate on the thread above:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/3798497868164392252/#400042
It’s dishonest and a distraction from the object of this blog.
If Gunnar doesn’t think korova is a liar, perhaps we need to send him a dictionary so he can see for himself what the word ‘liar’ means. Or to be really magnanimous, perhaps Gunnar really hasn’t read a word of what the troll has posted. But in that case, voicing an opinion is … well … stupid.
gunnar | 24.05.08 – 1:54 pm
“We are not the same person.”
Gunnar, I believe you.
Your tenacity is a bit more reminiscent of Alex.
No-one really knows who anyone is. For all I know none of us are using our real names. For example Mr. Destiny. Who would call their son Cattle Prod of? No offence, Mr. D.
(Or refer to themselves as ‘The’ as in ‘The Princess Margaret’. Sounds a tiny bit conceited, but then she was a senior royal.
Some of us might be the same person, or several of us may be one puppet.
Others may be practicing Personation, sabotaging the credibility of someone by posting extreme or nonsensical things in their name. Sometimes I wonder, as I type, if I am doing that myself.
Hi Bryan
I have seen your comment above, thanks for linking to this again. You write:
I commented here on gunnar’s style of debate on the thread above:
…
It’s dishonest and a distraction from the object of this blog.
Bryan | 24.05.08 – 5:43 pm | #
Could you please back this up. Where is my style of debate dishonest.
Here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/3798497868164392252/#400042
On this thread:
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2008/05/not-whole-truth.html
Click on the links.
Now I don’t know about you or anyone else but I’m going to stop indulging people’s egos here and following them around in ridiculous circular arguments. I’m getting back to concentrating on what we are here to do – expose the gross bias of the BBC.
Hi Bryan
Many thanks for the links. Again, why you think my style is being dishonest, I do not know.
Anyway, I understand that you want to expose the gross bias of the BBC. Dare I say, you should be starting with Mr Vance misrepresentations and misattributions.
All the best!
Could you please back this up. Where is my style of debate dishonest.
gunnar | 24.05.08 – 6:13 pm
ROTFLMAO!
gunnar, the one who needs everything explained to him, preferably referenced to dictionary definitions. And I thought it was only Jews who always replied to a question with another question! 😆
I think gunnar needs someone to hold his hand and show him how to click on a link.
“gunnar:
Hi Bryan
Many thanks for the links. Again, why you think my style is being dishonest, I do not know.
Anyway, I understand that you want to expose the gross bias of the BBC. Dare I say, you should be starting with Mr Vance misrepresentations and misattributions.
All the best!
gunnar | 24.05.08 – 7:03 pm”
You say you understand that we want to expose the gross bias of the BBC and then you show you are lying because you clearly do not understand and you have no such desire.
Even if you disagree with the unpaid individual David Vance and his representations and attributions HOW can he possibly be the start for exposing the 3.2 billion pounds a year 23000 employee strong organisation BBC bias.
That is preposterous.
that is disingenuous.
That is also utterly pathetic.
And without any logic.
You are clearly a troll.
End of.
Last time you should be engaged.
Nothing else, bye.
start = START !!!
Sue | 24.05.08 – 6:12 pm |
No-one really knows who anyone is. For all I know none of us are using our real names. For example Mr. Destiny. Who would call their son Cattle Prod of? No offence, Mr. D.
My real name is Spiro …
😉
Not S. Agnew, by any chance?
No, Spiro Destiny – sorry to burst your bubble … 😉