. It’s Friday and the BBC as ever is running a series of stories aimed at undermining the image of Israel. First up, at 6.55am on the Today programme we had an item on the “Investment conference” for the West Bank and Gaza. (Judea and Samaria) The key theme here was that these were great places to invest (!!!) but that the fact that those pesky Jews have such strict border restrictions in place does make such financial investment so much more difficult. Not a mention WHY Israel needs to have such strict security arrangements and not a mention of the fact that the savages in Hamas (My apologies to those tender souls who may object to me labelling Hamas as such but there you go, it’s accurate) have given Israel no choice in this matter whatsoever. Throughout it’s coverage of this region, the BBC consistently downplays the atrocious behaviour of the Palestinians who wallow in their own depravity. Then, having shilled for Hamas, the BBC runs a news item entitled “Blair jet faced Israeli warplanes”. My god, isn’t it bad enough that Israel denies Hamas the right to slaughter its citizens without confronting Mr Blair at 35,000 feet? Turns out that the story reduces to the fact that the jet carrying the former great leader failed to identify itself as it crossed Israeli air space. A better headline might have been “Israeli jets confront unidentified aircraft” but then why miss a chance to imply how aggrssive the Israelis are?
THOSE BAD ISRAELIS
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David, calling them Palestinians without inverted commas suggests that they really are Palestinians, which is the lie happilly promoted by Al Beeb (and the gutter press from Guardian to Independent) all these years. It’s like referring to terrorists as militants. They are not. They are ‘Palestinians’, aka Arabs. They have said so emphatically themselves plenty of times.
Surely those wascally Jews have built their border fence to at least 35,000 feet to keep out those Gazan Arabs?
Compare and contrast.
Bomb rocks Gaza crossing
scotsman.com
Suicide bomber killed in attack on Erez border post
gulfnews.com
Truck bomb destroys Gaza-Israel pedestrian crossing
usatoday.com
Gaza crossings rocked by gunbattle, suicide blast
cnn.com
Bomber killed in border blast
apn.co.nz
Suicide Bomber Attacks Gaza-Israel Crossing
globalsecurity.org
BBC:
Gazan shot dead at blockade demo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7414090.stm
News of the 4 ton truck-bomb summarized thus in the fourth para: “Earlier, Palestinians carried out a lorry-bomb attack at the Erez crossing.”
The rest is somewhere in the end if one were to get there.
That’s top-notch reporting right there.
BTW, the rest of this BBC article smacks of PaliProp, relying entirely on questionable/unidentified Palestinian witnesses and Hamas sources. They would never lie, would they? Not that it ever happened before. But I digress.
Story here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080522/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_violence_dc
Bloddendum.
The BBC should hire Ace’s headline writers, it’ll save them alot of space.
Palestinian Dies Due to Crippling Israeli Power Embargo and Accidental Detonation of Four Tons of Explosives in His Truck, But Mostly the Detonation of Four Tons of Explosives in His Truck
http://ace.mu.nu/
Nearly Oxfordian- spot on. And of course, there is a Palestine: it just so happens to be called Jordan.
there is a Palestine: it just so happens to be called Jordan.
Yes, and those fellow Jordanian Arabs cheerfully killed more WestBank and Gazan Arabs, whom some people call “Palestinians, than the Israelis ever have.
Maybe the BBC would care to mention that some time
Your description of Hamas as savages was rather generous, you old softy.
thud,
How about degenerate nazi-emulating morally bereft savages? 😉
How about degenerate nazi-emulating morally bereft savages?
That description seems more befitting of the Kataeb party in Lebanon. You know, the ones that the West supports.
but then why miss a chance to imply how aggrssive the Israelis are?
Arguably, it could have achieved quite the opposite effect. It’s not all black or white:P
http://mreugenides.blogspot.com/2008/05/missed-opportunities.html
Blaming Israel for the difficulty in attracting financial commitment is outrageous and only promotes a victim mentality.
Populations get the governments they deserve.
A country has to be politically stable to foster business, and so long as undemocratic, murderous thugs like Hamas are in charge, this area will remain a dungheap incapable of producing anything the world wants.
The BBC should forget political expediency and look at Israel as an example of what can be achieved against all odds…
For a long time savvy investors have known Israel is a hot investment destination, having an enormous pool of talent and brains. A cursory glance at the kinds of businesses operating in the Tefen and Galilee Industrial Parks only confirms this.
Incidentally, given that Hamas was allegedly ‘established’ by Mossad, if Hamas are ‘nazi-emulating morally bereft savages’, what does it make those that established them?
what does it make those that established them?
nazi-emulating morally bereft savages makers?
korova | 23.05.08 – 12:52 pm |
What part of “allegedly” do you not understand?
field.size – Explain.
Are you suggesting that the source of the allegation is, in some way, dubious?
korova | 23.05.08 – 1:01 pm |
Answer your own question, what does “allegedly” mean?
korova:
Incidentally, given that Hamas was allegedly ‘established’ by Mossad,…
Hamas
Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin of the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada. They are known for multiple suicide bombings and other attacks directed against civilians and Israeli military and security forces targets.
I see that the ‘anarchist’ troll is now a friend of the Nazi scum of Hamas, too. No big surprise there, then.
The troll writes ‘allegedly’, and then is too stupid to understand what ‘allegedly’ means. Yes, what a brain!
Korova you sure you know what allegedly means?
Biodegradable:
korova:
Incidentally, given that Hamas was allegedly ‘established’ by Mossad,…
Sure… that would be the Mossad (or JEWS) who “allegedly” executed 9/11.
More leftist sewage.
Pssst, fella’s it’s no use beating up on Korova re the use of “allegedly”, he doesn’t know what your talking about. ;o)
Meanwhile…
Iran via its proxies is currently annexing Lebanon which should be complete by next week.
Anyone know whether the BBC has mentioned this unimportant story..
or is the plane that wasn’t shot down in the night still the lede?
OK own up. Which one of you is the ‘korova’ sock puppeteer. I know it’s one of you doing a wind up, now which one of you is it?
The give a way was the idea that Hamas was started by Mossad. That has to be a joke right? 🙂
Hi David,
Many thanks for pointing me to this interview.
You state:
The key theme here was that these were great places to invest (!!!) but that the fact that those pesky Jews have such strict border restrictions in place does make such financial investment so much more difficult. Not a mention WHY Israel needs to have such strict security arrangements
I took the Not a mention bit as an absolute,i.e. the reasons of border crossing were not discussed.
When I listened to the interview via the listen again option it seemed that a reason for the closed border closings in Gaza was given.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/
The interview starts around 18:58 minutes and the segment I transcribed below at 21:51
Because the border crossing have been closed to put pressure on Hamas, to put pressure on the militants, who fire rockets across the border
Now this seems to be a reason, wouldn’t you think? You may have missed this part. When you re-listen to the interview you may find that your opinion may not fully corellate with what has been broadcasted.
Firstly, Jack Bauer, the ‘revelation’ that the Israelis helped established Hamas is not new. Even Olmert has admitted this publicly (it is well documented, do a Google search and you should find it). But then, as Olmert is clearly ‘left-wing’, perhaps this is ‘sewage’.
Regarding this:
A better headline might have been “Israeli jets confront unidentified aircraft” but then why miss a chance to imply how aggrssive the Israelis are?
One wonders what you make of this headline and opening paragraph:
How Israeli fighter pilots threatened to blast Tony Blair’s jet out of sky
Tony Blair came within moments of being killed when two Israeli fighter aircraft threatened to shoot down a private jet taking him to a Middle East conference in the belief that it might have been staging a terrorist attack.
Wow, that makes the BBC’s coverage seem sensible given that the BBC only mentioned ‘warplanes’. This source is even more suggestive about Israeli aggression. What paper could have printed such a story? Well, blow me down:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3987705.ece
The Times – it never misses an opportunity to imply how aggressive the Israelis are.
Here are some more “allegations” about Israel and the Jews:
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
Article Seventeen:
The Moslem woman has a role no less important than that of the moslem man in the battle of liberation. She is the maker of men. Her role in guiding and educating the new generations is great. The enemies have realised the importance of her role. They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle. That is why you find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns, films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs. These organizations have ample resources that enable them to play their role in societies for the purpose of achieving the Zionist targets and to deepen the concepts that would serve the enemy. These organizations operate in the absence of Islam and its estrangement among its people. The Islamic peoples should perform their role in confronting the conspiracies of these saboteurs. The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.
Article Thirty-Two:
World Zionism, together with imperialistic powers, try through a studied plan and an intelligent strategy to remove one Arab state after another from the circle of struggle against Zionism, in order to have it finally face the Palestinian people only. Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle, through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. They are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements and to bring them outside the circle of struggle.
The Islamic Resistance Movement calls on Arab and Islamic nations to take up the line of serious and persevering action to prevent the success of this horrendous plan, to warn the people of the danger eminating from leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism. Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.
If korova truly wants to learn something it could do worse than begin with studying the link between the Nazis and practically every Arab nation and Islamist group. The fact that the Ba’athst party was founded on Nazi ideals and that many Nazi war criminals took refuge in Arab countries after the war and were influential in their governments.
Take a look at the “Syrian Social Nationalist Party” flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/baath.html
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/saddam.html
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E844D8C7-A09B-4BF9-9091-FA1E619AED9E
Bear all that in mind when you hear Arabs comparing Israel to Nazis.
korova should also find out what Taqiyya is. Then come back here and repeat the claim that he/she/it doesn’t learn anything from this blog. If that’s the case it’s because he/she/it doesn’t want to learn.
Even Olmert has admitted this publicly (it is well documented, do a Google search and you should find it).
No. You do it and give us the links to this “documentation”!
If korova truly wants to learn something it could do worse than begin with studying the link between the Nazis and practically every Arab nation and Islamist group. The fact that the Ba’athst party was founded on Nazi ideals and that many Nazi war criminals took refuge in Arab countries after the war and were influential in their governments.
Oh, I partly agree. The Kataeb Party was influenced by the Nazi Party. Although, we didn’t hear much about that when Gemayal was murdered a couple of years back? Why? Because his party is part of the Western backed coalition.
Biodegradable – You are intelligent enough. Use Google. It’s very simple to find. I’ll even give you a clue. It was reported in the Jerusalem Post.
field.size:
Pssst, fella’s it’s no use beating up on Korova re the use of “allegedly”, he doesn’t know what your talking about. ;o)
field.size | 23.05.08 – 2:20 pm | #
Don’t worry, we won’t beat up on you for your lack of knowledge about apostrophe usage.
As usual, Korova is talking nonsense. Just because the Times may have used a stronger idiotic headline (and btw, Israel is quite entitled to shoot down unidentified private planes invading its airspace – it’s at war, a concept prats like Korova don’t understand), does not mean that Al Beeb can say anything it likes. First, the Times has occasionally printed antisemitic cartoons. Second, it’s not a tax-funded state organ. Third, this is not the Biased Times blog.
Now, Korova, just crawl back to where you came from.
Biodegradable – You are intelligent enough. Use Google. It’s very simple to find. I’ll even give you a clue. It was reported in the Jerusalem Post.
korova | 23.05.08 – 3:48 pm
You made the allegation, it’s up to you to provide the proof.
http://www.googleitfirst.com/
LOL, Bio.
http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Brunner
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
Hey — has anyone read those dynamite ,b>The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Apparently Olmert has finally admitted that it’s all true.
The documents are not the Dan Ratheresque forgeries as claimed by neo-cons and zionists.
The wascally JOOS really do rule the world, and bake Arab babies into Matzo bread.
Google it people — it’s all there. It’s true. If you can’t believe the internet who can you believe.
korova:
field.size:
Pssst, fella’s it’s no use beating up on Korova re the use of “allegedly”, he doesn’t know what your talking about. ;o)
field.size | 23.05.08 – 2:20 pm | #
Don’t worry, we won’t beat up on you for your lack of knowledge about apostrophe usage.
korova | 23.05.08 – 3:50 pm | #
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Ouch, Korova, that really smarts……Allegedly
Hi Jack,
Funny you should say that, I was just browsing this really interesting site full of all sorts of documented allegations.
You really have to love this bottom line:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-folder.html
The Jews, of course, have vehemently denied that such a meeting of “Learned Elders” ever took place, or that any kind of secret Jewish international organisation or conspiracy exists. And though they claim that the Protocols are forgeries (the definition of forgery is an unauthorised copy of the original! In this respect, and since the Jews didn’t want their existence known to the world, they probably ARE forgeries!), and have spent a fortune to suppress and discredit them, even making it illegal to possess them in some countries, they have never attempted to address or answer the real question that the existence of such a document raises: Have they fulfilled the Protocols while claiming they did not write them? Yes.
Then, what is the difference whether they wrote them or not?
Like the Al Dura movie; who cares if it’s true or not? – everybody knows the Jews kill children/poison wells/use blood to bake matzo/rule the world/own the media/etc…
I can really recommend this site to korova, plenty of documented allegations there:
http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm
It must true – it’s on the internet!
Here’s the best I can find on Mossad “establishing” Hamas, I’m sure korova will come up with something even more convincing:
(my emphases)
http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/ethel/2002_03_31_ethel-archive.html#11377065
It is basically true and well known, and several cites follow below. There just two technicalities to keep in mind.
(1) What Israel in fact backed was Sheik Yassin’s Gaza chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that goes back to the 30s. Yassin, a quadraplegic cleric, set up the Gaza chapter in the early 70s, and Israel backed it in the 80s. During the period they backed it, it was a service organzation attached to mosques and universities. They were completeley non-violent and almost completley non-political. Sheik Yassin’s conversion to the use of violent means was extremely abrupt. The first intifada traumatized him, and within 3 months he had set up a military organization to resist it. Sheik Yassin is still Hamas’s spiritual leader today.
(2) Hamas is the Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” and means “zeal” in Arabic. When it first came into existence, the name only referred to the military wing under Yassin’s control, and was distinguished from the service wing, which was still called the Muslim Brotherhood. So therefore technically, Israel can say it never supported Hamas. What it supported (with millions of dollars) was the non-violent group out of which Hamas was suddenly created.
OK, so if we ignore those two important facts one could say that at some point Israel (still no mention of Mossad) provided some kind of backing to a non-violent wing of the then completely non-violent Hamas.
Israel, much less Mossad, didn’t really “establish” Hamas, which was already in existence, all it did was provide some backing to an organisation which, at the time, provided social services to “Palestinians” – bad bad Jews!
Anyhow, that’s more than enough pandering to the whims and “allegations” of the trolls…
korova:
“Incidentally, given that Hamas was allegedly ‘established’ by Mossad, if Hamas are ‘nazi-emulating morally bereft savages’, what does it make those that established them?”
korova | 23.05.08 – 12:52 pm | #
Whether that allegation is true, completely false, a bit true, has elements of truth, or seemed like a good idea at the time, it has little bearing on what Hamas has turned into and what it is now. (Nazi emulating morally bereft savages)
What was your point? (Rhetorical question.)
Incidentally, given that ‘sock puppets’ were allegedly posting perv impersonating others, if “Korova” posts perv impersonating sock puppets, does that make those that established Korova perv posting sock puppet impersonater makers?
Yo! the original sock puppets! Bring ‘em back.
I’m getting fed up with Harry Corbett’s hand up my bum!
(Google that one youngsters!)
I can’t help chuckling at the idea of The Super Soaraway Times being some sort of paragon of journalism. Look in today’s copy: there’s a piece about a robot on Mars finding evidence of an environment that could have supported life. The Headline?: ‘Robot finds signs of Martian life’!
And then there’s the competition in one of the tiresome supplements, about architecture. You can email them your answer to ‘When were the Houses of Parliament rebuilt’ and win a prize! Oooooh! Bacause you get three choices, and the answer is actually on the opposite page in a little piece about the H of P. Makes Richard and Judy seem positively intellectual.
The standard of troll/sock puppets on this site is shocking…I will now refuse to pay my beeb license fee untill the trolls of old return.
Biodegradable – Many thanks for the hint about Googling first. Perhaps we can exchange pleasantries about the use of Boolean methodology sometime? If you get the opportunity, do take the time to read some of Phil Bradley’s works on search engines, they are very interesting.
I’m disappointed you still cannot find the link to the ‘revelation’ that the Israelis helped establish Hamas. If you look hard enough, you will find reference to this eminating from the University of Jerusalem and by a top ranking politician. Both of which are (obviously) Jewish. There are also documents in the public domain that were obtained from the Institute for Counter Terrorism, Israel that has been analysed by the Centre for Strategic Studies. In turn, some of this information comes from the testimony of a former Middle East CIA official.
Like I said, if you look hard enough. Wonder why the BBC never mentions this?
I personally believe EVERYTHING the CIA says. Google it people.
And as ALL JEWS think exactly the same, I think they are always impeachable sources. Google it people.
And Universities are well know for always being correct in everything they produce. Google it people.
If you can’t believe everything on the internet who can you believe.
I’m disappointed you still cannot find the link to the ‘revelation’ that the Israelis helped establish Hamas.
Put us out of our misery, please do. Like I said, you made the allegation, show us the proof, but don’t move the goal posts – your original post on the subject affirmed that Hamas was allegedly ‘established’ by Mossad, now you say “the Israelis helped establish Hamas.”
You have to learn that you can’t come here and just throw out unsubstantiated claims – we look at the nuance of every word – as they say in the US of A, we fact check yo’ ass boy!
Either put up or shut up! Or as TPO so succintly put it, piss off.
Jack – Generally, it’s a good idea to assess source material after you have read it, not before.
Izzy wizzy, let’s get busy!
Generally, it’s a good idea to assess source material after you have read it, not before.
korova | 23.05.08 – 7:46 pm
Bring it on, let’s see it.
Links please…
“..now you say “the Israelis helped establish Hamas.”
Actually, I said that as far back as 3.42pm (have a look). Israel did help to establish Hamas, and as I have said before, it was admitted by top ranking Israeli politicians. Anyone with an ounce of sense can find these links given as the allegation was made in a popular Jewish newspaper (that also happens to have a right-wing leaning).