. Did you hear Alistair Darling on the Andrew Marr show this morning calling for those in the private sector to exercise pay restraint in these tricky economic climes? Naturally the public sector may also consider taking a somewhat more restrained approach. Big deal. Why did Marr not ask Darling why his predecessor as Chancellor kept ramming through inflation-busting wage increases for teachersndoctorsnnures and other courtier groups? Why did Marr not even express mild surprise that the public sector now enjoys an average hourly wage 20% higher than that in the private sector? Since those of us in the wealth creating private sector are already being hammered by taxation to fund the gilt-edged pension schemes of many in the public sector, could Marr have not enquired as to whether it is t time that the State sector took a cut in wages? And what business is it of Government to tell private enterprise how it should reward its employees? Marr could have done much better with Darling but the tone was deferential.
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I’m in Aachen and it’s 27C in my garden.
Beeboids are public sector workers. The BBC believe that ONLY public sector workers deserve being paid at all. The private sector is just full of fat rich capitalists who employ children in India.
Funny the BBC fails to mention Muslims who sell their girls off as child brides or happily use then as suicide bombers.
Actually, in the interview you seem not to have watched, he said that both the public and private sector should hold back on pay increases.
Your argument would be stronger if you evidenced your other claims. Let’s see them and then the neutral reader can make up their own mind.
And Martin, what the hell has this:
Funny the BBC fails to mention Muslims who sell their girls off as child brides or happily use then as suicide bombers.
got to do with private/public pay deals?
korova: The BBC has been spouting off about Primark all day and about how those evil capitalists abuse children.
Yet Muslims happily strap bombs to children and use them as suicide bombers and (as reported by the BBC) in Afghanistan men sell their 6 year old daughters to make money.
The BBC see it as wrong for capitalists to exploit children, but OK for Muslims.
Korova,
Do not be lazy. If you doubt the veracity of anything I post, go and research it and prove me wrong. Otherwise you’re just trolling….
Ah… the Darling Cruds of May…
And June, July through December
David Vance
could Marr have not enquired as to whether it is time that the State sector took a cut in wages?
Mr Vance, is your own contribution to society so very much greater than that of my husband?
And is the contribution of the brave lads who fight for our freedoms in Afghanistan and Iraq to be dismissed with a pay cut too?
….What is it exactly that you do?
And is the contribution of the brave lads who fight for our freedoms in Afghanistan and Iraq to be dismissed with a pay cut too?
I’m sure DV will respond. But I imagine he would want to see the military receive an increase.
I suspect he was thinking of, perhaps, the vast armies of State none-jobs advertised weekly in the Guardian.
For instance, School’s Transgenedered, Gay, & Lesbian Diversity Officera, and their useless ilk.
Just a guess.
My private sector employees will be making sure that I practice wage restraint this year as I did last and will probably do so again next year.
If I was on a beeboids level of income not getting even more money would not be a hardship.
For me getting no pay increase is getting a bit more into the red every month not missing a week in Tuscany.
Every time I pay my television tax up a bit every year; no income restraint for the BBC, I feel more and more resentment at paying more and more money to an organisation that only despises people like me.
The beebs live in a dream world of happy Muslims loving their host country, gays that are life long faithful to their partners; drug users that never suffer any ill affect as long as they are not too working class spoiled only by nasty right wingers that want to send chearful criminals who are really nice people to prison. (look at all the programmes we get with criminals as hero, hustle,honest, the invisibles etc…) Like all false creations their world could not survive on its own it needs support from my money I don’t want to be taxed by them any more so they can live on the hog while I go backwards. First class and five star for them, cattle class and jerry built barratts for me.
If they think they are so good let us pay for the programmes we watch and if that does not raise enough money for them they can stop paying so much to so many for so little. Or they can go under like any business not supported by the tax payer would if they did not produce something at a price people were willing to pay.
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wife of consultant surgeon: Yep. I pay your other halfs wages. The public sector get index linked pensions for life whilst in the real world we had ours robbed by the fat one eyed jock who never washes.
Wife of Consultant Surgeon,
Four points.
1. Our Military deserve not only a vast inflation-busting increase in salary, and much better protection when on duty serving this country, but the respect of this Nation. The BBC’s relentless campaign to undermine their morale offends me.
2. I have no idea if your husband contribution to society is greater than mine but I assume he is not living in – ahem – relative poverty.
3. The vast army of utterly useless public sector parasites that Brown has created is where the cuts should come. I appreciate that there are many people working in the public sector who provide vital and diligent services and in my view these people are being undermined by the creation of jobsworths that characterises Zanulabour. I am not certain we require transgendered equality officers hanging around every lamp-post (though hanging from them….)
4. Since when did the State get the right to tell the PRIVATE sector what it shall do in regard to paying its employees?
Would the ‘consultant surgeon’ in question be the rare exception, in that he does not have ‘private patients’, gleaned from the NHS, and treated using NHS facilities, and thus he would fall neatly into both sectors.
Perhaps while asking what the writer does we might in return ask just what is it her sainted husband is a consultant in? After all it could be anything from dermatology to cardiology, although I suspect he may be closer to the former than the latter.
Another anti Israel report on BBC headlines. ‘Israel troops accused of abuse’. Leaving aside this story I have yet to read a headline that shows Hamas, PLO or Hizbullah in a bad light or at least it must be 20 bad Israel and 1 bad Muslims. The BBC are very clever turning a blind eye to everything bad in the Islamic world yet homing in on everything bad in Israel and USA. No wonder there are so many anti Semites and anti USA. Those responsible in BBC for this incitement should be brought to justice.
wife of consultant surgeon ,you won’t be cracking any empty nuts then?
BTW,What exactly is a of consultant surgeon? There are consultants of all the areas of medicine whom one consults.Surgeons tend to be rather hands on.
‘ wife of consultant surgeon’ has of course just rather elegantly played the ‘caring profession’ card.
This is the one that, because her husband is employed to ‘care’ for our needs, trumps any dissent for they can do no wrong. It’s one that is regularly thrown on the table by the medical profession but is often also used by social workers, teachers & many others paid out of the state purse.
Interesting word ‘care’. In this context it should apply to those who administer to the requirements of others which would logically include hairdressers & indeed estate agents. Of course, our medical friend’s wife has used the card by implying that her husband’s contribution to society is so much greater than any detractors’ so harvesting the benefit of that other meaning to the word ‘care’. To have empathy for. Strange how those two meanings get conflated so regularly.
Now if it came to the preserving of health & life our friend’s spouse would come a very poor second to the humble plumber (Polish or otherwise). Historically, it’s provision of sanitation & safe drinking water to which we owe most of the increase in life expectancy & freedom from disease.
So can plumbers, as caring professionals, play that card too?
Oh & as general meteorological reports seem to be the fashion, homing on Her Britannic Maj’s sorry little Realm from the general direction of the Med I can regretfully report that I have been rained on heavily & on an almost daily basis for the last three months. This despite the continental forecasters optimistic predictions that fine weather would be arriving in the next week. They were saying that in March & they are saying it now. The law of averages says they must get it right eventually. However, looking out of my window just across the Channel in northern France I can assure the curious that there is a gentle breeze & I am not fearful of tomorrow’s ferry crossing.
Jus’ Askin’: Excellent points.
Wife of : That’s YOU told!
Thank you for your commendation.
I just dropped back because I realised I’d neglected to address the surgical accessory’s reference to our good lads in uniform.
Of course they can’t really lay claim to be a ‘caring profession’ can they? It’s very hard to bayonet someone whilst displaying true empathy for them. Neither can it be implied that delivering several tons ofexplosive ordnance from several thousand feet be claimed as catering for the recipients needs.
Perhaps that’s why they’ve done so badly compared with doctors & consultant surgeons.
David Vance: “4. Since when did the State get the right to tell the PRIVATE sector what it shall do in regard to paying its employees?”
Daivd, I’m pretty sure that Alistair Darling has every right to ask private sector employees to do this (or anything).
But on the general point, I think raising the seemingly useless public sector jobs that were created during the past 10 years would have been an interesting one to ask (as would the other ones you listed).
Not in Front of the Voters
Peter Oborne pulled back the curtain showing us a little vignette of the political class on Marr’s show this morning. In the midst of a paper review he deliberately blurted out that Alan Duncan had just a few minutes earlier button-holed Marr in the green room, lobbying him not to ask questions about donations from a dodgy oil trader, citing legal issues. Marr look panicked and said in a revelatory moment “we don’t discuss what is said in the green room”. Actually the political class don’t like to discuss it in front of the voters at all…
from Guido http://www.order-order.com/2008/06/not-in-front-of-voters.html
Most of the public service are going to be labour/liberal voters.
The services are more likely to vote for other parties.
So which one does the government give more money to and the BBC love as they do less and less for ordinary people and which is gven more to do with less resources and is reported mostly negativly by the beeb.
Hi David,
Your reply to korova takes the biscuit:
“David Vance:
Korova,
Do not be lazy. If you doubt the veracity of anything I post, go and research it and prove me wrong. Otherwise you’re just trolling….
David Vance | Homepage | 22.06.08 – 3:29 pm | #”
You make claims, you back them up. Since when is it the other way around?
jus’askin'(french edition):
‘ wife of consultant surgeon’ has of course just rather elegantly played the ‘caring profession’ card.
The last NHS “consultant” I talked to was the supercilious twat ( I mean, full on a-hole) who moved my father from the ICU, where he was after his heart attack, onto a general ward…
That is where he had a second heart attack, which wasn’t discovered by a nurse for 20 minutes, by which time he had suffered irreparable brain damage.
So… I don’t automatically go all goo-goo eyed at the thought of NHS consultants.
“David, I’m pretty sure that Alistair Darling has every right to ask private sector employees to do this (or anything).”
I’m pretty sure we still live in a democracy (just), and the private sector has every right to tell Darling where to stuff it.
In the private sector employers can’t and don’t just lob money at you, you’ve got to earn it. At the end of the day it all comes back to the politics of envy, resentment and bitterness the left has towards high achievers and high earners.