Well then, if Hezbollah were hoping to milk the release of their heroic child-killer Samir Kuntar, the BBC sure has obliged. Did you see their stomach-churning coverage of the “militant” Kuntar’s return? The bit that really irked me was the BBC’s statement that “Kantar had been in jail since 1979 for the deadly guerrilla raid in which he killed the child, her father and a policeman.” It was not a guerrilla raid. It was an act of mass murder, in which this fiend smashed the head of 4 year-old Einat Haran on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle. Kantar is given a heroic welcome by the scum in Lebanon and all the rotten BBC can do is to suggest that if Israel had never imprisoned Kantar there would not have been the war in 2006. Israel is always to blame.
WE ARE ALL HEZBOLLAH?
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Simon 10:56: Take a look at my blog’s piece and you will find many references to different sources.
Aviv 11:33: Israel = Bad, Palestinians = Good. Israel = Evil, Hamas & Hezbollah = Good. The BBC mindset is very easy to understand really…
Notasheep
I know, I just naively assumed that smashing in the head of a 4 year old child was an act that could be viewed and described without helpful “context” from the BBC. I’ll shut up now.
I’ve just read this thread and simply from Joel’s ‘defence’ of the BBC does one comprehend the essential wickedness of the BBC and its supporters. Next, Joel will be saying that we can’t make an omelette without smashing a few heads, oops, eggs – whatever.
field.size:
‘How typical and BBC like to cut and past a quote from Wikipedia without including the following, again from Wikipedia’
The quote I used was relevant to the description of a ‘deadly guerilla attack’ – nothing else.
Joel | Homepage | 17.07.08 – 12:19 pm |
The quote I used was relevant to the description of a ‘deadly guerilla attack’ – nothing else.
Point taken.
Now will you please explain why the BBC marginalized/understated the bit about the child’s head being crushed on a rock?
How would such a decision be made?
Would editors sit around wondering whether the public was too sqeamish to hear uncomfortable things like that?
Or do people just take their cues from Bowen – if he mentions it, it’s okay; if he excludes it, everyone excludes it?
What’s your best guess, judgment, insider experience on how these significant omissions get decided upon?
Joel | Homepage | 17.07.08 – 12:19 pm
Exactly…..
Apply for a job at the BBC now, you are just what they look for in a “reporter”
Remember to leave your humanity at home though.
“Israel’s Tragic blunder”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/841246/israels-tragic-blunder.thtml#comments
joel, Samir Kuntar was described by radio 4 headlines as someone who had “killed three civilians”. no context. no details. at all.
presumably you don’t object to ian huntley described as someone who “killed 2 people”. that’s enough detail for you presumably ?
The Beeb’s ongoing bias by selective omission…
Iraq still dominates US election
Adam Brookes concludes his ‘report’ with
“And a coda from one of the most incisive commentators on American security, the journalist Thomas Powers.
In the New York Review of Books, Mr Powers wrote recently that the next president’s intentions on Iraq will be overtaken by events.
“Things begin to happen,” he writes.
Bombs, politics, the lack of clarity mean that “the situation on the first day has altered by the tenth”.
His bleak prediction: “So it goes. At an unmarked moment somewhere between the third and the sixth month a sea change occurs: Bush’s war becomes the new president’s war, and getting out means failure, means defeat, means rising opposition at home, means no second term. It’s not hard to see where this is going.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7510802.stm
Go to the source and you find a somewhat different ‘coda’
“We are committed in Afghanistan. We are not ready to leave Iraq. In both countries our friends are in trouble. The pride of American arms is at stake. The world is watching. To me the logic of events seems inescapable. Unless something quite unexpected happens, four years from now the presidential candidates will be arguing about two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, one going into its ninth year, the other into its eleventh. The choice will be the one Americans hate most—get out or fight on.”
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21431
I’m not sure it is mass murder if it is only 3.
Anyway at least the BBC mentioned that dhe had killed people. Compare & contrast with coverage of Kosovo’s “independence” where the BBC have quite deliberately censored any mention of the way our KLA employees, with NATO help, kidnapped 300 Serb teenagers, dissected them while still alive & sold the organs to our hositals.
If they can censor that these corrupt scum would happily have censored Auschwitz had it been politically convenient.
Sky: “Kuntar, Israel’s most notorious prisoner, was sentenced to three life terms for killing an Israeli man in front of his four-year-old daughter, then killing the little girl by smashing her skull with his rifle butt”
Guardian: “Samir Kuntar, a Druze who shot an Israeli man and cudgelled his four-year-old daughter to death.”
Mail: “He was convicted of one of the grisliest attacks in Israeli history – killing a man in front of his four-year-old daughter, and then killing the girl herself by crushing her skull.”
Mirror: “”Woe betide the people who celebrate the release of a beastly man who bludgeoned the skull of a 4-year-old toddler,” Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in a statement before a private meeting to condole the families of the soldiers”
Telegraph: “a notorious Lebanese prisoner, who broke into an Israeli family home and murdered a four-year old girl with his rifle butt”
Express: “At his trial, witnesses told how Qantar shot father Danny Haran in front of his four-year-old daughter and then killed her by smashing her skull against a rock.”
Independent: “Witnesses said that Kantar • then aged 16 • then smashed the skull of Mr Haran’s daughter against a rock with his rifle butt.”
Reuters: “”Woe betide the people who celebrate the release of a beastly man who bludgeoned the skull of a 4-year-old toddler,” Olmert said in a statement, referring to the girl Qantar killed with her father.”
BBC: “A policeman, another man and his four-year-old daughter were killed. A baby girl was accidentally smothered by her mother as she hid in a cupboard.”
Sorry, forgot the Times:
“Kuntar, then 16, shot Danny Haran in front of his daughter, then smashed the crying girl’s skull against a rock with his rifle.”
Indeed it is a tricky thing to decide on impartial and accurate language.
Joel
“I, and all those viewers and listeners you complain on behalf of are able to make up our own minds about a man who killed a child in the way he did.”
Yes Joel we can make our minds up but you can not.
I suppose there is no hope that the Israelis added a few ounces of thalium nitrate to Kuntar’s drinking water in the days before his release?
Joel
“I, and all those viewers and listeners you complain on behalf of are able to make up our own minds about a man who killed a child in the way he did.”
The beeb never told us “the way he did”…that’s the whole point.
Hey, if the Israel Lobby is so powerful, how come the Israelis ended up exchanging live Arab murderers for a few Jewish body parts?
What kind of all-powerful group makes that kind of deal? If, as the BBC has alleged (and John Reith did in these pages) that the Joooos are so powerful that they put the squeeze on the US loans to Egypt so that the Egyptian border with Gaza would remain sealed, why can’t they do better than this?
Next time anybody comes here and starts throwing ascribing super powers to the Israel Lobby, they need to have this rubbed in their face.
David Preiser (USA) | 17.07.08 – 3:38 pm
Not sure what your point is here David P. No sane person I know thinks AIPAC has anything like the same kind of influence with Hizbollah that it has with the US Congress. (And if it has no influence with Congress – why give it any money?)
And to further show what kind of scum Hezbollah are, here’s a story from INN..
“(IsraelNN.com) As Israel buries her fallen sons, harsh questions and details are arising from the exchange which took place yesterday. According to Israeli officials, the bodies were received in a severely-damaged state which may have lengthened the confirmation of their identities. Former IDF Medical Corps and Chief Military Rabbinate officials have noted the tragic expertise Israel has gathered in years of conflict, but remained shocked by what they saw yesterday at the Rosh HaNikra border crossing.”
So they even mutilated the bodies of the Israeli soldiers. And these are the kind of people that George Galloway, Al-BBC and most of the Al-Guardian reading BRitish “left” have sympathy with.
I can only hope that at some point Israel will have a govt that will wreak havoc and death upon the beebs favoured victims..Islamic murderers…I live in hope.
This exchange was a bad mistake. Kuntar and his mates should have gone home in sealed boxes marked ‘Shit for Export’.
Is trevor phillips connected to hezbollah by any chance ?
Joel
You should look up the definition of ” “guerilla”.
If I went to Spain and murdered a 4 year old would I be a “guerilla”? No I would be a murderer and the BBC would describe it as such.
The French resistance carried out ” ‘deadly guerilla attacks” against the Nazis. See the difference?It is the BBcs use of inappropiate language to describe events that is in question .
Joel | Homepage | 17.07.08 – 12:19 pm | #
I am eternally grateful for your posts on this particular thread. I hate when I have a suspiscion about something but it’s great when my suspsicions are confirmed. In this case you have confirmed my suspicion that you are a total prick. Cheers
The bottom line is,Kuntar is either a child murderer or a war criminal.He could be both,why don’t Joel and the BBC make the decision.
Here’s the test.
If an American kidnapped a Muslim and the Muslim’s 4 year old daughter, then shot the Muslim in front of his daughter, then smashed the 4 year old bairns skull with a rifle butt.
Would the BBC report all the details.
Don’t fucking kid yourselves.
What annoyed me most about this story:
“one Hezbollah official quoted by Lebanese TV on Wednesday confirmed that both soldiers had been seriously injured during the raid, and later died of their injuries.”
On what basis is this a confirmation of anything? When did a terrorist organisation’s word become sacrosanct? Have the BBC ever used the word “confirm” regarding statements, from US military personnel, about Gitmo or Afghan ‘wedding parties’?
The BBC has gone beyond its sickening, terrorist appeasing, moral equivalence. The BBC is now a blatant mouthpiece for terrorism.
We are in new uncharted territory vis a vis terrorism.
We now have a moral equivalence of TERRORIST MURDERERS being equivalent to 2 DEAD SOLDIERS.
Terror has been rewarded.
Anonymous | 17.07.08 – 4:09 pm |
Not sure what your point is here David P. No sane person I know thinks AIPAC has anything like the same kind of influence with Hizbollah that it has with the US Congress. (And if it has no influence with Congress – why give it any money?)
I have a hard time understanding why you thought I was saying anything about the Israel Lobby having influence over Hezbollah. I was saying that if Jews are so powerful in the world that they can control Egypt, surely they don’t need to release murderers just to get back a few body parts.
Yet, in so many other instances, the all-powerful Jewish Lobby can get just about anyone to do their bidding, including Egypt.
And as for your crack, “why give it any money,” let’s not pretend you think I’m saying that the Israel Lobby has no influence whatsoever. Reductio ad absurdum is a nice trick to dodge what I’m really saying, but I won’t fall for it. But since I have to spell it out now…
Of course lobbyists have some influence. That’s why it’s a billion-dollar industry. But what I’m talking about is the nearly omnipotent powers often ascribed to the Israel Lobby (it’s not just AIPAC – there are all kinds of Jewish organizations that give money to all kinds of politicians and other groups). The powers attributed to the Jews cover a wide range of abilities, with the end result that they are perceived to control just about anything and everything when it suits their needs.
So let me see if I can make my point more clearly: If the Jewish Lobby (not just AIPAC, but all those organizations and individuals who get involved in money for politics or causes) is as powerful as everyone says in other instances, why can’t they simply lean on whomever, who will then twist some Egyptian or Jordanian arms, who will in turn get a better deal out of Hezbollah?
It is vitally important to remember that Kantar and four others were not just political prisoners, or Israeli hostages or anything of the sort. These were all convicted criminals, not “fighters” of equal standing to Israeli soldiers. Most important of all is the fact the Kantar did his deed and was arrested in 1979. This is before the original Israeli invasion into Lebanon in 1981 (I was in Israel at the time; I remember how it went). His act of violence was on behalf of a different group entirely, and isn’t even associated with Hezbollah. Yet, Israel let him go as part of a deal with Hezbollah.
This is a completely one-sided deal, and no mistake. There’s no point in going over whether they should or shouldn’t have here, but there’s no denying that this was one of the weakest deals ever made. Yet, Israel can accomplish so much else on the world stage, get just about anyone to do their bidding, according to so many. Why did this happen, then? If the Jews are so powerful, why did they release a non-Hezbollah murderer as part of a deal for body parts, and, worse, give Hezbollah a massive opportunity to proclaim themselves yet again as defenders against an imaginary Israeli occupation?
Somehow, somewhere, someone has got to admit to themselves that Israel is not as powerful as people claim.
Let me repeat myself. This man kidnapped a man and his daughter. He shot the man to death in front of the little girl, then he bashed in the girls skull.
What is there to debate.
Answer: The left will argue the bad guys case every time.
The is nothing to discuss in this matter. The mother fucker should be dead. He should have been killed slowly and painfully and fed to feral pigs.
Has anyone else noticed the gradual creeping of the Arabic accents being used by Beeboids?
They have started to pronounce Hezbollah the way Arabs do and on Radio 5 the other day that vile woman Anita whats her name from 5 live drive was talking about the woman who lent her boyfriend or huband a Burka to escape. But when she said “Burka” she said it in a very Arab way highlighting the way they sort of roll the “r” letter.
The BBC have form on this. The vile Moira Stuart used to pronounce some cities (usually African ones) in an African way. I think you’ll find Richard Littlejohn once commented on her specifically.
He wanted to know if she’d start pronouncing Newcastle the geordie way.
Joel as much as you try and appear impartial in defending the bBC, you forget one thing.
The BBC isn’t impartial.
Here are a few of the headlines that the bBC is pushing out as NEWS tonight.
Doubts over US Afghan operation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7510941.stm
So looking at that headline would you presume that the US is pulling out of Afghanistan. Because I had to look twice in which to work out just what that story is about. And guess what. with no proof what so ever they push out that the Yanks have murdered civilians.
But hang on, doesn’t the bBC have a remit not to publish half truths until the facts are known. I mean they take their time in reporting murders by terrorists militants so much time that news becomes history. Yet the bBC defend this stance in stating they need to get it right. Shame they don’t take that stance with the US,UK or the bloody Jews. But it gets worse when was the last time you saw a blazing headline which reported that terrorists militants have committed a crime against humanity.
Want more proof
US slips down development index
Americans live shorter lives than citizens of almost every other developed nation, according to a report from several US charities. The report found that the US ranked 42nd in the world for life expectancy despite spending more on health care per person than any other country. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7511426.stm
So reading that would you think that the US comes 42nd in the world for who has the best lifestyle?
It’s only later you find out that actually that 42nd placing is just for one of categories used and that overall the Yanks came 12th. In fact the US comes in above over 21 countries of the EU, Including the UK,Germany and Italy. In fact France the largest country above it is only.001 points above it. Iceland which came top is .017 points above it. But here’s something that nobody seems to have factored in the US of A is a collection of states somewhat like the EU. Yet if I were to combine the totals of the EU states you will get a collective mean less than that of the US. So why isn’t the headline shouting out just how bad Europe is, I mean folks like you have no problem berating the yanks for anything.
This whole blog is about the bias that the bBC tries to pass off as impartial in its news reporting.
If you wish to come on board and try to change our point of view then by all means do. But acting the Richard Edward doesn’t do you any credit what so ever.
I would have sent the terrorist murderers back to Lebanon decapitated with their bodies smeared in a certain animal fat !!!
Martin wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the gradual creeping of the Arabic accents being used by Beeboids?
Have you heard Galloway speak before Saddam or Nesrallah or islamists?
He does the same – starts rolling his RRs and speaking with a phoney arabic accent to gain acceptance from those S””t bags!
Well what can I say another biased piece from the BBC, let get this straight, BOTH sides are wrong, but I watched the LIVE coverage of the handing over the soldiers bodies on Sky News and Euronews, CNN etc, and what was BBC breakfast news doing, oh yes showing their usual contempt for Israel and those pesky “Jews” by mentioning it in a short sentence in the news update “HEZBOLLAH have announced the two Israeli soldiers are dead” and continued to talk about why we shouldn’t eat cheese or call Chavs Chavs or what ever it was.
“HEZBOLLAH have announced the two Israeli soldiers are dead” Yes we know that the coffins are being filmed LIVE on every other channel.
The BBC is beyond contempt.
marceau: Galloway is a waste of human space. He’s so far up the backside of every Moozlum (as he calls them) on the planet he’d be running into Jeremy Bowen.
Martin, Galloway is a liberal of course he’s for the bad guy.
How did we get to a point in the world where Hezbollah is considered a equal to the country of Israel.
Hezbollah is no better than the KKK.
Personally, I belive anyone who willingly acknowledges any affiliation with Muzzbollah should be shot on site.
Twice.
the only thing that would make my day in this horrible mess would be if Kuntar had been turned by the Israelis into a mossad agent and was sending back information to israel.
i’m hoping the HB will come to that conclusion after all the gracious living he has experienced during his prolonged holiday.
Then they will do to him what should have been done a long time ago by the israelis.
I actually wonder how long it will take for a laser guided bomb to fall on Kuntar? Or his car suddenly blows up when he gets in it.
I don’t think he’ll live to see many more birthdays.
Here is the response from the BBC I received following a complaint regarding Magdi Abdelhadi’s report on the summit in London on Jewish refugees from Arab countries, in which Abdelhadi claimed Jews lived for centuries harmoniously with and fully integrated into Arab countries. They seem to be admitting that Abdelhadi stepped over the line of impartiality, and they even use the term “dhimmis” to describe the status of Jews in Arab countries. They also offer that the topic is underreported and they will strive to do more reports on it. Let’s see if they do.
“Thank you for your comments regarding this report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7469745.stm.
We are sorry not to respond sooner.
The question of Jewish refugees from Arab states is a controversial and
disputed one. This is clearly the case with Palestinian refugees. We
therefore attribute numbers in this regard. In the case of Palestinian
refugees, we would attribute to the UN. In this case we are attributing
to Jews for Justice.
The matter of the number of refugees must depend on how you define a
refugee. There are, of course, many accounts of oppression and violence
obliging Jewish refugees to leave Arab countries. There are also
accounts of Jews leaving because they wanted to live in a Jewish state
and others feeling that they were pressured to do so by Jewish or
Zionist groups.
Several readers asked what “integration” into Arab states meant and
disagreed that that this could fairly describe the status of Jews in the
Arab world. Magdi Abdelhadi appears to have overstated the case here –
clearly many Jews were integrated into Arab society, but many other were
not and their status as dhimmis restricted cited certain rights as well
as offering certain protections.
This news article is too brief and not detailed enough, considering the
wider issues and the history, and the fact that this issue is so little
reported on. We are seeking to rectify this by commissioning background
articles and features on the issue.”
Better than the response I got when I asked the BBC why they didn’t feel the Dragodan Massacre of 210 innocent Serbs by NATO police a few hundred yards from the British HQ in Kosovo, was worth reporting.
No response not even an acknowledgement.
The BBC is a corrupt racist bunch of liars but at least they don’t display their Nazi tendencies so openly towards the Jews as towards the Nazis other victims.
the IDF should have dropped a daisy cutter on the hizbollah celebration rally.
i am sure we would have got the full details of that from al beeb.
I’ve just been picking up reports that the two Israelis had been horribly tortured and mutilated while alive.
The Rabbi preparing the bodies for the funeral has confirmed the horrible nature of the desecration of the bodies.
Has the BBC mentioned this.
BBc coverage of the burials of the two hundred terrorists handed over by the Israelis was fawning at its BBC best, I mean all that was lacking was Oral Gerrrin(or that other beeboid turd who cried when Arrafat went to meet Satan)bursting into floods of tears as the coffins went by! The BBC kept refering to the bodies as ‘fighters’ being laid to rest, bear in mind these coffins hold some of the most vile ‘humans’ ever to walk the earth, their crimes so evil and yet the BBC feels the need to portray the event with more dignity that they have ever shown our dead troops coming off the C17s!
The BBCs cowardly cringing before the Islamist beast makes my stomach churn and I can only say God bless the IDF and I pray they find the Islamist swine who tortured those poor reservists and give them their just reward(a one way ticket to hell).
Does the death penalty exist in israel? did he see out his sentance?
Rapture of the father | 17.07.08 – 12:04 am
No to both questions. The subhuman Kuntar was sentenced to several life terms in prison. So yes, he was released early.
Jack Bauer | Homepage | 18.07.08 – 3:08 pm |
The Rabbi preparing the bodies for the funeral has confirmed the horrible nature of the desecration of the bodies.
Has the BBC mentioned this.
Of course the BBC can’t report this because that would portray the enemies of Israel in a bad light. Nick Reynolds and other Beeboids have told us time and time again that they don’t want to use terms or issues that are emotional.
Nobody at the BBC (unless they ask that one orthodox Jew in IT, or have the Chief Rabbi of London back in) will actually know that keeping the body intact after death is just as important in Jewish law as it is in Muslim law. Tim Franks will be dimly aware of the חברה קדישא (chevrah kadishah) that goes around collecting body parts after suicide bombs and bulldozer attacks. But that’s just extremist, fundamentalist stuff in his mind, and in the minds of all Beeboids. It’s not really important to the average Jew, they think, and it’s not worth reporting.
Once again the BBC demonstrates a deliberate editorial bias against Jews. There is no valid reason not to report this, as the BBC has no problem discussing Muslim needs of this nature.
Even in their own little educational articles, the bias is evident. Take this, for example:
Coping with grief – Practical issues
There’s a stereotype photo of an ultra-orthodox Jew. Why do I call this a stereotype? Because they feature someone dressed in the most extreme form of garb. It would be much more appropriate to show a more “modern orthodox” type, i.e., maybe just a nice yarmulke, no black hat or side curls, and certainly not wearing a tallis, which is for prayers only and not part of everyday wear. And certainly not making such a ridiculous, Shylock type of gesture. I mean, get real.
Then in the article itself, there is a full section discussing special Muslim needs, which are exactly the same as Jewish ones (except the bodies are supposedly facing Jerusalem, not Mecca, naturally). But they can’t even bring themselves to say “and Jews” fpr two reasons: First, because it’s vitally important to the BBC to inform the British Public as much as possible about Islam (to reduce racism and improve social cohesion), and secondly because they think it would offend Muslims to associate any of their rituals with Jews.
I’m not making any of that up. This is what the Beeboids have told us over and over again.
It’s a crock, it’s biased, and the BBC needs to be taken to task for it.
Al Beeb has become a Nazi organisation. I have not the slightest hesitation in saying it. Its pathological hatred of Jews and Israel is perfectly illustrated here.
Joel, it wasn’t a ‘guerrila raid’ and you are a dumb antisemitic asshole.
Galloway is not a ‘liberal’. I am a liberal. Galloway is a Nazi scum.