It’s one of the things that most enrages me. Each day, brave British soldiers risk life and limb fighting the Islamic hordes of the Taliban and Al Queda. Many British households have an empty chair this morning – loved ones having fallen at the hands of these depraved Islamic killers overseas. Similarly, many British households also mourn the loss of loved ones following the Al Queda homicide attacks in London on 7/7. There is much pain out there, much hurt. And yet our military fights on and when you hear from those doing the fighting in the field, there is so much to be proud about. The BBC sees it differently. You see in their self-loathing world, the war on terror is having no effect whatsoever. Indeed they have commissioned a poll to prove this contention. Indeed, 30% of those the BBC had interviewed reckon Al Queda is stronger because we fight back against them. So the sacrifices being made are in vain – goes the beat of the defeatist subtext.
Let me declare my bias. I am unambiguously in favour of wiping Al Queda “off the face of the earth”, to coin a phrase. I believe that we ARE in a long-term war against militant Islam and either we win or they win. I prefer the former outcome as I have children and I would prefer them to enjoy liberty without the shadow of Islam blighting their lives. But the BBC has been relentless in attacking the very decision to fight back. The BBC has systematically undermined the British public’s support for the war on terror, indeed the BBC has become a key outlet for Al Queda and their apologists to spread toxic propaganda. They know they can never beat us on the battlefield but they sure as hell can use the likes of the BBC to demoralise our military. So this latest effort from the BBC is just one more instance of how it subtly reduces the valour of our soldiers and the imperative to fight back against Bin Laden’s goon squad. I hate the fact that I am forced to fund Al Queda propaganda care of the sickeningly biased BBC, don’t you?
Too right. And in a word where turnabout is fair play, wiping the BBC off the face of the earth is now a moderate position. The extremists would add stoning, mutilation and videos of decapitation and dismemberment.
Can’t see any reason to believe that the end of the BBC, when it comes, will be peaceful or polite. The tone I hear increasingly in your tougher pubs involves the search for scapegoats, and the BBC always comes up. Pint-powered bluster? Don’t think so. People know when they’ve been abused and misled. Brit elites have lost contact with their working classes, and there’s a bill to deliver.
Hear! Hear! I think Mr Vance has hit the nail squarely on the head with this post. The BBC’s hang-wringing moral relativism has now gone far beyond the point where it can be dismissed with a shrug and a sigh.
I see that 29 per cent of voters in the Austrian election have voted for what the BBC likes to describe as ‘Far Right’ parties (strange how the ‘Far Left’ is never mentioned).
If the BBC carries on this way, that angry reaction, or something like it, will happen here – and the BBC will have been one of the major reasons why.
Yep, another great morning to be a Toady beeboid. A FAR RIGHT political party taking seats to get all worked up over, then a spurious poll proving that the world ( well, selected beeboid bits,) thinks Al Queda are jolly good fellows, much nicer than those nasty Americans.
Oh, and we can’t tell you about the Tory conference (unlike the labour one), because there’s a bit of a flap on over the economy ( but it was Mrs Thatchers’ fault).
Two things: consider the humbuggery of a massive media corporation running a poll to confirm that plenty of people hold the same views said corporation has been pumping out 24/7 for years. Really? Who’d have thunk it?
Ditto, consider the contrast in how the two sides are reported. The US might take out a hundred terrorists, but that’s actually a defeat because killing the enemy in large numbers just makes them stronger. On the other hand, the murderous savagery of Al-Quida only makes them stronger too. Similarly, the same Beeboids on Atrocity Watch where the US is concerned (Wedding Party!) either ignore civilian casualties inflicted by the enemy, or even flag them up as proof of the enemy resolution and strength.
Well said!
Hear, Hear!
Well said and Hear Hear! The BBC undermining your country and your society – it’s what we do.
Quite right. We pay the BBC licence fee, they should pump out exactly the sort of propaganda that WE want! Factual accuracy or difficult news be damned — let’s patronise everyone by pretending everything in the garden is lovely!
They still won’t use the M word, you know the word- Muslim, oh dear I’ve said it now. Muslim, Muslim Muslim
I bet they won’t report what’s happening in Whitemoor prison either.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4004519.ece
Very well said, David. The BBC’s position on this is not just mildly annoying, it’s not just seriously annoying, it is now, frankly, disgraceful.
Unfortunately, getting rid of the BBC will not end this sort of bias, and this frankly adolescent outlook – after all, the main privately-run television networks in the US are often almost as bad (but not quite) – but at least it would save us from having to pay for this disgusting, ignorant and irresponsible bilge, and that would be a start.
“but at least it would save us from having to pay for this disgusting, ignorant and irresponsible bilge, and that would be a start.”
Couldn’t agree more. Why pay for disgusting, ignorant bilge when David Vance does us all a service by providing it for free, that’s what I say.
President Bush made a statement in 2001 that has been ridiculed as simplistic. “You are either with us or you are with the terrorists”. The clarity of those words are smirked at by many because to face up to them squarely is to to reveal how dangerous weakness is.
The supposed “neutrality” of the BBC is in tatters. Instead of illuminating uncomfortable truths they are now part of the government machine that seeks to hide dangers, placate our anger, calm our fears…
The mood of a country is set by its media. The media should be robust and even handed. It should be equally tough on all sides, but it’s not. And WE are witnesses to that.
Al Queda will be beaten without the help of the BBC, (they are not with us, therefore…) just as the Soviet Union was defeated despite the many producers I knew who carried Mao’s little red book in their back pockets.
The last time Austria elected a “far right” Government, the left were up in arms demanding that the EU put sanctions.
Is this the same left that objected to the west not approving of the likes of Hamas in Government?
Double standards from the BBC and the left again?
I believe that we ARE in a long-term war against militant Islam and either we win or they win.
Unless of course scumbags like Bliar, Brown and Labour come along and finally appease, appease and appease and then let them form part of the Government, with all the offices and perks of Government, while refusing to acknowledge any allegiance to the UK and retaining their core aims.
The Beeboids are clearly running scared of a Tory victory in the GE..whenever it happens.
I’ve just had a post on Nick Robinson’s blog rejected because I asked him if he’d been at the Tory conference or on Planet Zog.
Hardly one of the most outrageous comments, considering the left wing views they allow.
At times, the BBC can almost come across as an institutional equivalent of Lord Haw-Haw or Tokyo Rose in the struggle of the non-Muslim world to defend itself against the encroachments of sharia and the attacks of the jihadi.
(All these incidents where Muslims say they are offended by this or that, followed by threats and violence, are not evidence of over-sensitivity but are attempts to impose sharia on the whole damned world.)
Let’s hope some BBC correspondent or presenter miscalculates at some point and is so blatant in the way the have got into bed with Islam (or fallen into the role of useful idiot) that public opinion is goaded to into a state of revulsion.
DJ:
consider the humbuggery of a massive media corporation running a poll to confirm that plenty of people hold the same views said corporation has been pumping out 24/7 for years. Really? Who’d have thunk it?
Quite so. The people polled have no idea whether al-Qaeda are stronger, weaker, winning or losing. They are just providing an opinion informed only be the defeatist Western media, with the BBC being one of the louder voices.
Last night on the World Service the BBC sought a mission statement from a leading al-Qaeda figure in Pakistan. He told the BBC he wanted a restoration of the caliphate & the death of all non-Muslims. Yet the BBC still ensures that they have their morale boosted & Michael Meacher (in yesterday’s Sunday Times tells us that we must at some time enter into a dialogue with them.
How relevant is a “poll” taken to answer “is Al Qaeda weakening”?
It just doesn’t seem like the kind of question that can be answered with any degree of accuracy or relevancy by an opinion poll. The only reason I can think that they took it is that they knew they could contrive a headline like “Al-Qaeda not weakening” without actually having to back it up with empirical proof.
The BBC is disgusting, just disgusting.
Time for our own poll then (and just as relevant as theirs):
Are BBC employees taking more cocaine?
I’m sure the results will be important enough to merit a world news headline.
Jason:
Cocaine, though a problem, is not the main vice within the BBC. In a confidential report some years ago, which I saw but cannot locate, it was assumed that a large number of BBC managers would be the victims of alcohol in their 40s. In layman’s language, they’re a bunch of drunks.
It’s a question about perception rather than actual objective analysis of how Al Qaeda is fairing.
More importantly the Beeb spin it as a loss for us. Most people do not agree that Al Qaeda is stronger. Therefore more people think they are either doing “as well” as before or weaker. That’s not a win for the terrorists.
“Unless of course scumbags like Bliar, Brown and Labour come along and finally appease, appease and appease and then let them form part of the Government, with all the offices and perks of Government, while refusing to acknowledge any allegiance to the UK and retaining their core aims.”
Mcguinness/adams?
lol
already had a dry run for terrorists in our government -shouldnt be that hard for the BBC to sell it as a ‘peace process’
Truth is that force does work. Look at what happened in Iraq with the troop surge. Al-Qaeda have been pretty much eliminated from Iraq.
David Vance,
Well said. I couldn’t have put it better. The BBC make me puke.
The bBC, shrilling for Islamic terrorists and half the story.
I didn’t come to BB until after I had read the news on the net. (Didn’t buy the Guardian today)
Anyway what DV wrote about the BBC’s love fest with Islamic terrorists is perfectly displayed in this article about a bunch of (I wonder what faith they belong to) Modern day pirates. The emphasis I gleaned from the article is not about the wellbeing and safety of those who are being held hostage by a bunch of blood thirsty thugs at gunpoint but rather the wellbeing and safety of those who hold the guns. I quote from the BBC;
“Somali pirates aboard a ship carrying tanks and weapons that they have seized say they are surrounded by at least three foreign warships.”
Oh dear terrorists or as John Simpson refers to them as “Misguided criminals” have spoken to their media arm (The bBC) and informed the world they are surrounded . However this being the BBC they are allowed to express their defiance;
“ But one of the pirates said they were not afraid and had enough food to withstand a siege.”
But just to ensure that they don’t get attacked the bBC lets rip this little snippet in which to colour the minds of its readers that attacking pirates, terrorists and militants is not only a human rights crime, but an ecological one as well.
A maritime expert said the ship was carrying “dangerous chemicals” and warned against using force.
So now that the BBC is shown expressing more concern for those who kill the sick, lame and lazy . How do they report on the condition of those kept hostage by the African versions of Master Bates, Seaman Stains and Roger the Cabin Boy.?
He admitted that one of the kidnapped sailors had died, but said this was from natural causes.
Well that’s alright then. I mean it’s not as if the bBC would extend such a lame get out of jail card to say;
The British Armed forces
The British Police
The American Armed forces
The American Police
The Jews.
When say they even as looked funny at say a ‘Koran’.
As DV points out about the bBCs love in with AQ. It seems they prefer to defend those who kill for Allah, rather than those who defend us against them.
The bBC, shrilling for Islamic terrorists and half the story.
Silly me the link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7641468.stm
Nothing to do with the War on Terror per se but worrying nonetheless:
UK Muslim sues supermarket for making him carry beer on a forklift
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022882.php
and
UK: Muslims try to get alcohol banned at local supermarket
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022860.php
Worse still:
UK: Nine-year-old girl rescued from forced marriage
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022865.php
Thanks for being instrumental in the demise of the UK, Al Beeb!
pounce | 29.09.08 – 5:42 pm |
Isn’t it good to see that even pirates have a spokesman these days? And, of course, Al Beeb managed to get hold of him. Brilliant work!
9 year old girl and forced marriage. Didn’ their beloved Prophet shag a nine year old girl?
Why is this poll on BBC America section? Could it be because there is a certain election coming up?
The BBC is pumping out a non-stop stream of propaganda for the BNP to capitalise on. Cameron is an old-fashioned patrician socialist, like the Mitfords, Bertrand Russell and all that circle. He is going to smile patronisingly to people whose counry is being gnawed away before their very eyes.
The BNP won’t smile patronisingly and say “There, there.”
I sincerely want them to gain several seats in the next election, which will serve to concentrate the minds of Dave and the Bullingdon Boys. My feeling is, once the BNP becomes accustomed to having seats in Parliament, and therefore a say, they may tone down slightly, so more people will feel better about voting for them. I don’t know, but I read that they already accept black members, and there are black Brits who share our concerns who have joined. (This is hearsay.)
I don’t see the BNP voting to renew the licence fee for the BBC.
Verity..my wife is foriegn born…her and several family members would consider the Bnp if the conservative party don’t serve this nation as they should….ridding of us of the traitorous BBC would be a very small start.
I don’t see the BNP voting to renew the licence fee for the BBC.
Verity | 29.09.08 – 6:57 pm |
That’s as maybe, but under a BNP reich the BBC howsoever funded would not be free from political interference
from the BNP’s 2005 General election manifesto (the longest ever note on a beer mat)
We support a return to traditional standards of civility and politeness in British life.
Standards of politeness must be taught in school, demanded of government employees in their interactions with the public and exemplified on the BBC. Soap
operas, for instance, should seek to portray slightly ‘higher’ than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than setting out to show ordinary people • in particular the white working class – in the most negative and unattractive light
possible.
‘Evening Standard’:
” BBC’s ‘Newsround’ fed youngsters Al-Qaeda propadanda, claims ex-spy chief ”
[Extract]:
“Britain’s former spy chief accused the BBC of ‘parroting’ Al Qaeda propaganda to children as young as six.
“Dame Pauline Neville Jones, who is also a former BBC governor, is infuriated at the stance the corporation’s Newsround programme took on the September 11 attacks… ”
“Just two days after the attacks the BBC screened an edition of the Question Time programme where they invited an anti-American audience that laid into the American ambassador, leaving him close to tears. In fairness, the BBC apologised for that outrage.
“Even though this was an appalling example of knee-jerk prejudice, at least it was meant for adults.
“I never imagined the rot would spread to the BBC’s children’s programmes. I was wrong.” (Dame Pauline Neville Jones.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23414300-details/BBC's+Newsround++fed+youngsters+Al+Qaeda+propaganda,+claims+ex-spy+chief/article.do
I was so incensed by watching a veiled BBC girlie reporter in Pakistan respectfully interviewing a Taliban spokesman the other week I phoned the BBC complaints telephone number – switch to a Scottish call centre – to express my disgust.At every point in the conversation I was constantly moderated for any use of intemperate language, as an excuse to cut me off. Devils Kitchen where are you when we need you!? How about a placard saying “Behead all those that insult the BBC”?
Reference to Dame Pauline Neville Jones piece above on ‘BBC Newsround and Al Qaeda’:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23414300-details/BBC%27s+Newsround++fed+youngsters+Al+Qaeda+propaganda%2C+claims+ex-spy+chief/article.do
Couldn’t agree more. Just finished reading a book called In Foreign Fields which is the most inspiring account of our men and women in action against the Taliban etc I think it possible to imagine. Any chance of hearing a few of these stories on Al Beeb??
Does anyone else wish the Yanks (or the Israelis for that matter) would drop a bunker busting bomb on the Al Beeb headquarters?
BBC dhimmitude continues.
Tonight on BBC Radio 4: from BBC’s own preview:
20:00 (UK time)
‘Is Al-Qaeda Winning’?
30 September 2008.
“Series that questions who is winning the global ‘war on terror’, seven years in.
“This programme looks at the battle for hearts and minds. Including interviews with an Al-Qaeda recruiter and an imam who wrote speeches for the movement’s former leader in Iraq.
“Plus efforts to reform rather than kill captured insurgents, and the views of potential US allies in Europe and Pakistan who say that America’s ‘war on terror’ is in fact doing more harm than good.”(BBC).
NOTE: the BBC’s instinctive political position is not one of British patriotism, or pro-Western values.
The BBC programme is NOT entitled: ‘Why we need to win the war against our Al-Qaeda enemy’.
Imagine a BBC radio programme in 1940:
‘ Are the Nazis winning? ‘
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/isalqaedawinning/pip/z8oht/
An alternative, non-BBC analysis:
“How to measure al Qaeda’s defeat”
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=7291326D-D14B-40F8-A6EA-F58660A904F7
Pakistan’s army claims to have killed more than 1,000 militants in the two-month-old offensive in Bajur.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD93GE7E00
Now we are getting somewhere! these will be the first enemy casualties (suicide operations apart) of the war, unless it turns out that the Pakistan army is as incompetent as the US’s & all these turn out again to be civilians.
When a nation is at war one is either pro-victory or pro-enemy. You’re either one or the other.
I can’t remember the name of the doc the Beeb broadcast just before 7/7 making out the Al Qa’eda threat was manufactured, but that is a prime example of the BBC acting as an adjunct for enemy propaganda. At the very least those responsible for its broadcast should have had a ‘friendly’ visit from officers from MI5 reminding them we are at war and the charges that can be brought for aiding and abetting the enemy.
And after 7/7?
I remember Newsnight giving some de facto Al Qa’eda ally a film crew to make a propaganda film. As for the output of Michael Marshall .. (who is now actually Sky’s Chief Foreign Correspondent) words cannot express my repugnance for the moral depravity this person represents.
It would be silly to talk of bringing charges against these traitors. There simply isn’t the climate of opinion. But Her Majesty’s Government should be creating it.
Verity, the BNP are Nazi scum.
“these will be the first enemy casualties (suicide operations apart) of the war, unless it turns out that the Pakistan army is as incompetent as the US’s…”
Will?
Take it back.
betyangelo | 30.09.08 – 10:28 pm has it turned out that the Pakistani kills were of civilians (link?) or have you missed my sarcasm?
Hi will:
Oh.
We are now several years into the ‘War on Terror’. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to look at where we are.
‘they have commissioned a poll to prove this contention’ – No, they have commissioned a poll. You may not like the results but that is not the same thing. Besides, the results are actually mixed.
I don’t believe those who think we’re not winning, think Al Queda are ‘stronger because we fight back against them.’ Nobody thinks we shouldn’t fight them, the question is how. Subtle David I know, but try to keep up.
‘I believe that we ARE in a long-term war against militant Islam and either we win or they win.’ Good for you. That is not what the poll is asking. It’s asking if we’re winning. Should we ignore the question because we might not like the answer? Not in a democracy David.
I don’t doubt the valour or professionalism of our troops. I’m sure the same could be said of our soldiers in Iraq or Vietnam. That doesn’t mean we were winning those fights. It’s a question of how we fight the ‘War on Terror’, not whether we fight it at all.
‘Let me declare my bias….I would prefer them to enjoy liberty without the shadow of Islam blighting their lives.’ – That’s what this is really about isn’t it? ‘the shadow of Islam’, not the ‘shadow of militant Islam’ or ‘Al Queda’. It’s about your hatred of a religion and its followers.
Let me quote from the article: ‘Our correspondent says there is plenty in this survey to worry the governments of Egypt and Pakistan…
When asked “overall would you say your feelings about al-Qaeda are positive, negative or mixed”, some 60% of Egyptians said they had either a positive or mixed view.’
Why worry? Shouldn’t the BBC be delighted!?!?!
Have a look at the articles linked to on the right hand-side: World views US ‘more positively:
‘Attitudes to the United States are improving, an opinion poll carried out for the BBC World Service suggests.’ Yet another poll commissioned to prove the BBC’s contention?
Don’t you think the US government is asking itself whether it’s winning? And do you think their own assessment is entirely rosy? I’m sure they know some tactics have worked and some haven’t.
Your kind of extremism is part of the problem. I await being banned.
The war on terror in Afghanistan is justified as the Taliban are a load of extremist murders and deserve all we can throw at them…..but…
the war on Iraq was just a pretext to take control of their oil and, due to the constant barrage of Jewish propaganda and lies, to sacrifice British and American lives for Israel.
There have been and still are far worse dictators than Saddam Hussein and there are countries with WMD (Israel’s undeclared and uninspected Atomic weapons) but these jog along happily.
The BBC has not fallen for the propaganda line pushed by the AIPAC funded Bush mob and that infuriates those who have fallen for this rubbish.
Congratulations to Auntie. May she live a long and healthy life.