Despite the fact that it dominated the airwaves all day yesterday, the subject of freedom of speech vis-à-vis Geert Wilders is by no means exhausted. Of all the coverage in the mainstream media, the BBC didn’t come out too badly. The best of a bad lot. Sky made a great fuss about airports, planes landing and Wilders on an escalator, but it amounted to little. What I saw of Channel 4 was pathetic. The BBC had the most memorable moment. It had to be Miliband, after condemning this vile hateful deliberately provocative film, with exquisite Comedy Timing, admitting that he hadn’t seen it.
Several things struck me about the whole media coverage fiasco.
1. Hardly anyone brought up Lord Ahmed’s disgraceful threat to mobilise ten thousand Muslims if Wilders was allowed in, and no-one at all alluded to him crowing about this ‘victory for Muslims’ to the Pakistani press.
2. All the people who were speaking in support of Wilders, Baroness Cox, Lord Pearson, and co., did so in the name of free speech; they were all
oh-so-careful to insist that they ‘did not agree with him’, giving the impression that they disagreed entirely with his views on Islam, rather than the more nuanced disagreement I assume they meant. (that the Koran should be banned altogether)
3. All this potential violence that is waiting to be unleashed. – Who by?” Is it to be “Islamophobic” violence against Muslims stirred up by the film, perpetrated by those violent Jews and gays? Or is it violence by members of the religion of peace, enraged at criticism of the very Jihadi extremists they are supposed to disapprove of?
The content of Fitna was repeatedly described as ‘shots of horrific acts of violence juxtaposed with selected Koranic verses’. “Revolting!” “Repulsive!”
In the light of the loudly proclaimed assurance by Lord Ahmed that every single word of the Koran has equal importance and is of vital significance, I can’t see many grounds for the oft heard claims that that the majority of Muslims are moderate, and that Islam is the religion of peace. Furthermore, footage of ranting mullahs and suicide bombers which furnished the most undeniable examples of incitement to hatred and violence in the film were largely overlooked.
4. As for Salma Yaqoob, the only member of last night’s QT panel who actually spoke up for Geert’s visit, (in the name of free speech, naturally,) and the member of the Quilliam Foundation, I think it was Maajid Nawaz, who spoke in a similar vein in another programme, I can’t help feeling that they were not being entirely honest. I suspect that if they hadn’t known that Geert Wilders had already been safely and securely sent packing, they would have been singing a different tune. But taking advantage of the moral high ground from a position of safety by pretending to be magnanimous wasn’t very convincing.
5. Have they banned Hizb-ut Tahrir yet?
Thank you
Original Robin 5.05
The two muslims I think you are referring to, one on QT • didn’t see, but have read comments here; and the muslim on Newsnight who said he believed in free speech and that Wilders visit/film would open up a discussion on Islam, I think are being devious, although the man on Newsnight appeared to be sincere. I don’t want to hear Islam discussed. That’s one of the reasons I no longer listen to radio 4. There’s really nothing to discuss. Britain is an anglo-saxon culture with values derived from Christianity and the indigenous population is still a huge majority, which is being ravaged by a gang of Marxist champagne socialists trying to force their fantasy ideology on us.
What has not been mentioned is the fury that the Dutch papers and TV shows are expressing towards the UK.
Working in the Netherlands, let me assure you all that the reputation of the UK has taken a battering, and it looks like it is about to get worse.
Thanks so much Home Secretary.
Islam is just evil and has NO place in a modern western society.
There was a story today talking about bringing back Neanderthal man.
Could you imagine if they could clone a Neanderthal and put him into modern sociery? How would his ancient idea of life fit in. Sees a female he fancies, just hits her over the head and drags her off for fun.
Fancies roasting your Dog for lunch, no problems.
Would we tolerate such behaviour? No
So why do we allow a religion that has NOT advanced in 1400 years into a modern western society?
It’s just bollocks.
Original Robin: You say that most Muslims just want peace, so why is it that if you look around the world where there is conflict you will find Muslims at the heart of it?
Why do they find it so hard to live with people who do not follow the same view as them? In fact they even fight with each other.
Indeed martin. Check the recent suicide bombing in Iraq committed by a woman which killed 32 shi-ite pilgrims. Muslim-on-muslim.
George R | 13.02.09 – 5:32 pm |
Jaqui Smith has really achieved something from her actions – she seems to have brought together many people who normally detest each other. Only Fascists and Communists hate free speech, the left and right of the political spectrum (not including the limp wristed Tories) support it. Tony Benn and Enoch Powell would have both been on the same side here.
“If anyone had doubted the extent to which Britain has capitulated to Islamic terror, the banning of Geert Wilders a few hours ago should surely open their eyes.
So we can look forward to British troops returning from all Islamic countries via the next available flight can we???????? Can will hell.
I seriously believe our government therefore ESTABLISHMENT are simply winding us all up, for a purpose.
They positively want violence on the streets and for the ordinary people to constantly fear the same or much worse.
They go around invading Islamic countries for the control of OIL. Then offer the people no protection from the consequences of their obviously Imperialistic actions.
Except of course pathetically useless, not fit for purpose measures, that deliberately lead to further control and rampant authoritarianism, over the ordinary peaceful law abiding citizen.
I call this FASCISM in action. You lot may call it something else. However the consequences will be the same, whatever name it is given.
In my mind, all Geert Wilders is doing is trying to do is raise this issue (the issue of Koranic Literalism/Islamic Terrorism/Muhammadism) when it’s easier and less costly to deal with. Much like Winston Churchill did with Nation Socialism in the 30s. Of course, in the case of Churchill, they called him a warmonger and dismissed his opinions, and ultimately 72 million people were killed.
Hang on, haven’t the Dutch already capitulated to Islam in ways Britain couldn’t imagine. It’s a bitch rich when one of the most limp wristed nations on the planet starts telling us how furious they are with us for not making a stand. What the hell are the Dutch doing?
“…when it’s easier and less costly to deal with” – your quite right – its easier for us but not for Mr. Wilders.
Ratass Shagged | 13.02.09 – 8:35 pm |
“Hang on, haven’t the Dutch already capitulated to Islam in ways Britain couldn’t imagine.”
So you think Britain is different?
http://www.internationalfreepresssociety.org/2009/02/pat-condell-freedom-go-to-hell-indeed/
I don’t think that any of us were really surprised when Jackboots denied Mr Wilders entry into our once great country. Clearly terrified of 10,000 ragheads decending upon the mother of parliaments she opted for the easiest, if totally wrong, option. What I find really depressing is the Conservatives response to all this. Instead of behaving like a true opposition and issuing a clear and unequivical support for freedom of speech they disappeared. David Cameron is clearly happiest when appealing to the Guardianistas amongst us. Find him a hoody that needs a hug, or a melting iceberg for a photo opportunity and he’s happy as Larry. But, dear God, anything controversial that might upset the muesli munching brigade and he goes into hibernation. We need a Churchill not a Chamberlain. And as for this oft repeated mantra about “the religion of peace”, it sounds very reminiscent of “Peace in our time”.
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/VideoPlayer.aspx?meetingId=3342&st=11:36:30
What I can’t figure is how so many public figures have “rehearsed positions”. Portaloo says Geet’s a “bigot”. I used to have some regard for Portillo but he just threw it away in one word. Kelvin Mackenzie labels Geet an “extremist” – not a word about people who fly planes into buildings. Hope your are not on the next Al Quaeda cropduster Kelvin, slimebag. Conservative Home does some more rubbishing. All the people you would expect to call a spade a spade let you down. Cowardly scum – they can’t all be looking for jobs at Al Jazeerah surely?
Meanwhile the liberal bigots bleat on about “freedom of speech”, knowing the plod have done Lord Ahmed’s work.(How do you remove a Labour “Lord” please?)
This is another black day for Britain, along with the searching of Damien Green Office, and “no laws broken here” Jaqui Smith claiming her main residence is a spare bedroom in her sister’s house.
How long until we get those who made “liberal” a swear word?
I seriously believe our government therefore ESTABLISHMENT are simply winding us all up, for a purpose.
They positively want violence on the streets and for the ordinary people to constantly fear the same or much worse.
Atlas shrugged | 13.02.09 – 8:03 pm | #
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Could you point me to where in your post the BBC was mentioned?.
The BBC is the voice of the ESTABLISHMENT – or don’t you think so? The establishment is New Labour, the police “service”, the justice system, the Civil Service (who are now no longer apolitical) and the BBC the media wing for the left.
O/T: Why do some people here put a dot before their signature?
If they don’t stop, I am going to round up 10,000 of my rabid supporters and storm the Basti… er…the HaloScan comments box.
You have been warned.
I agree that the BBC hasn’t been too bad – not from a radio perspective.
They are even going to replay Humphry’s interview with Wilders on Sunday evening (The Stand), in which we can make up our own minds whether Wilders is a vile, irrational, spiteful, nasty little hatemonger (as we are repeatedly told), or an incredibly courageous, humane, concerned individual with a solid grasp of the issues and the reality, who has put his life on the line and lives a hellish existence so that our children might have a future.
Anyway, this is all fantastic news. In what should have been a non-event, Labour have managed to expose their heady mixture of cowardice and contempt for our democracy, their dishonesty and hypocrisy. The Tories have proved themselves just as supine and Dhimmified. Wilders has been proved right. For millions of people who have never heard of him he will be a hero.
Maybe now the nation will wake up before it is too late to the political reality we are in.
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome”.
Winston Churchill. 1899
This bearing in mind Churchill saw the power of fanaticism first hand when he reported on the Sudanese wars
“The Buffalo News reports that prominent Orchard Park businessman Muzzammil Hassan, who founded a TV station to counter negative stereotypes of Muslims, has been charged with beheading his wife.”
On Cranmer the speech Geert Wilder would have made at the House of Lords :
http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/
Muslim this and muslim that, and on and on…..
May I make this direct appeal to employees of THE BBC.
I know some of you read my comments.
I know it is not yourselves that are evil, it is simply the criminal liars you ultimately work for.
YOU know exactly what I and talking about, even if David Vance simply can not get his head round the REAL ISSUES at stake.
Some of you KNOW what you are working for. You know the BBC is constantly lying and hiding the real truth. You know you have become submissive servants of a truly frightening globalist establishment agenda.
Please come on this site, and say something to the people. Don’t just let your MI5 controllers take your eternal spirit and smash it on the rocks of corporate world fascism. They wont kill you, or many of you anyway, they simply cant lock you all up, or crash all of your cars at the same time.
You have a duty to god and your profession to inform the people of what is happening. Not selected parts of the truth. The blinded public need THE WHOLE story in simple words, that even commentators on this site can understand.
Is this really what you joined the BBC to do??????????
Come out of your matrix. Come clean. It is not too late. We will forgive you if you make a stand now. Be a hero. Do something truly wonderful for the first time in a long time and tell the REAL truth about the BBC. Only you can save our children from this coming nightmare.
My Dutch colleagues are not ha:
in the Netherlands, let me assure you all that the reputation of the UK has taken a battering
More likely to be global; it certainly goes way beyond today’s Dutch, who are nearly as narcissistic and insipid as today’s Brits, and even more arrogant.
I’m now back in the US after about 4 mo away; the change in attitude in that short time towards things Briddish is staggering. I keep asking why and don’t get a printable answer aside from ‘stick a fork in ’em’, they’re done.’ The handy Texas phrase — All hat and no cattle — comes up often.
Seems plain to me that your only way to begin to fix things is to do it yourselves, since no-one else will.
Problem is most middle-class Brits have devolved into a kind of fugue state that’s beyond terminally passive — too supine, whipped and pitiful to lift a finger. Those who aren’t tend to dwell too long in a heroic Dambusters-like past that disappeared decades ago.
So I’d say you’ve got a big problem. The chances of resolution sans widespread violence are now near zero.
It gives no pleasure to say it, but you’ve no one to blame but yourselves. Hell, you can’t even muzzle the BBC.
xlr 10:42 Winston Churchill speech
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
One way they achieve this in practice is to ban art and music. Inside the mosque these are not allowed. Unless you count the call to prayer as music, as apparently (according to Radio 4) it takes 5 years to master.
Have you noticed how few hobbies muslims have? No gardening, playing an instrument, joining the choir, and especially no going to the theatre. This is more so for the current young muslims than it was for the previous generation when there was no stranglehold on them from their own community.
Partly because there is no time for it when there is all that religion to attend to, and partly because activities which mix them with non muslims are not allowed.
As martin 7:03 says: Islam is just evil and has NO place in a modern western society.
Allan@Oslo: re Muslim-on muslim.Allan@Oslo | 13.02.09 – 7:30 pm
When we eventually leave Afghanistan, they will immediately resume fighting each other, like they have for centuries.
“Some people’s idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage.”
Churchill
Very true.
Atlas shrugged is tonights winner of BBC Biased Paranoid Lunatic Award. Yes, the BBC and intelligence services have nothing better to do than read your posts here…
martin | 13.02.09 – 7:23 pm |
So why do we allow a religion that has NOT advanced in 1400 years into a modern western society?
It’s just bollocks.
This is the problem in a nutshell, not Islam, full stop. We’ve all been through the whole “There’z voilence in t’ KKKristian Boible, too” line of attack, which is easily rebuffed by exactly your point. Christianity had a Reformation and eventually grew weary of religious wars. That’s not the religion growing, but rather the growth of its adherents. Unfortunately, the caveman version of Islam is still too strong.
But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Islam itself is not the problem – it’s the caveman version that’s causing this clash of civilization. Notice that I’m not using the plural form. I don’t consider such cavemen to be part of civilization because the very essence of their ideology is to remove themselves from it. That’s not my fault; it’s theirs.
NB: No offense meant to commenter “caveman”.
Yorrick | 14.02.09 – 12:40 am
So what is your contribution? None it would seem.
Here’s a You-Tube link to the Newsnight discussion on Fitna with Keith Vaz:
In my opinion Muslims are not being encouraged to come here to make this country into an Islamic state. They are being encouraged to come here for a much more long term reason.
It is to help destroy settled society, with the intention of creating a new society. This society will not be Muslim and certainly not Islamic. It will be overtly FASCIST in nature.
May I suggest a more DIRECT approach towards the BBC is very much overdue.
Yes of course a majority of BBC employees are simply, self interested and vacuously greedy mind control victims. But they cant all be. In fact their is evidence of unrest within the ranks of the BBC. It is just that this unrest is not of course reported on by the BBC itself or any other controlled arm of the establishments MSM, for example Sky News.
What we need is not BBC MI5 trained apologists, like the infamous John Reith. What we need is BBC whistle blowers. People who have the balls to stand up to the establishments mind control system, that these unsuspecting individuals have unintentionally got themselves involved with.
Maybe it is time to appeal to these peoples better nature. Remember not even Hitler thought he was truly evil, real psychopathic murderous fascists like for example Tony Blair, George Bush and Gordon Brown never do.
They believe they are doing the work of GOD. The big problem the ordinary people have always had is that their god is nothing like the god we are told about.
We are told about a nice god that loves us all. They believe in a different god, named Lucifer, sometimes also known as the supreme universal architect. That basically farms humanity for the good of god fearing ruling elites. Like for example The Pope in Rome, various royalty, and extremely powerful banking and industrial corporations.
Our ignorance is our ruling elites, oldest, finest and sharpest weapon in their sadistic armory.
The mother and father of our ignorance is THE BBC.
And , of course, it all nicely distracts from Smith’s personal corrupt use of taxpayers’ money.
From XLR’s post is seems highly likely that if Churchil had made those insightfull statements today as a foreign politician, the treacherous and corrupt Nu labor would have given him the same treatment as Gert Wilders.
How long before this greatest of Englishmen is written out of history books and banned from the classroom?
“The moderate muslims”
Given the contents of the Koran, it really is not possible to be a moderate Muslim anymore than it is possible to be a moderate Nazi or Communist.
If you don’t support the Fascist rantings of the Paedophile Mohammed, then you are not a Muslim
Our ignorance is THE IGNORANCE OF our ruling elites,
The facts, gleaned from watching DD’s Any Questions and the far less dishonest news night discussion are thet all the particpants bar DD himself had claimed that they had not seen the offensive and racist short film yet they were there in front of millions lambasting it. The sheer dihonesty of it all is shocking.
How many other such panels of ‘experts’ are appointed by the BBC who have zero knowledge of the subject they are passing judgement on?
At leasr DD had the gumption and honesty to chgallenge the FO chap on why they let in islamist hate preachers without a whimper of protest.
As for VAZ , after his slimy toad words, am i the only person to have sympathy for Boris in his use of the F word in his conversation with him?
davo
Please don’t be fooled.
Our ruling elite may often be completely out of touch with common humanity. However their vast almost infinite real wealth and power, makes then far from ignorant. They have indeed the finest of minds our money can buy, working exclusively for them.
The BBC our not our rulings elites.
The BBC is only their largely unwitting, free to them propaganda mouthpiece, and propagator of divisive, establishment agenda’s and vile disinformation.
We are ignorant because they control our ENTIRE education system from Oxbridge to the local nursery schools. The ENTIRE civil, public and secret services. The ENTIRE banking system, multi-national corporations industrial, mining and oil interests and insurance system. The Armed forces, all political parties, and a whole lot more besides. Whats worse, they ALWAYS have done, one way or another.
Therefore it is our establishment, not us or the greedy dishonest slime we elect to office, that are to blame or congratulate for where we are today.
Therefore
Please take ABSOLUTELY no responsibility for anything other then your own actions and that of your direct family and dependent children.
I just watched the Newsnight segment with Keith Vaz. He’s not there just as himself, but he was pretty much speaking on behalf of the Home Secretary. When even Kirsty Wark thinks he’s an idiot, things are really bad. Still, once again nobody mentioned that any violence incited by the film will be directed by Muslims, not at them.
Maajid Nawaz may not be as pure as the driven snow, but at least he recognizes the difference between Geert Wilders and an imam who calls for violence.
I wonder if there will be any backlash at all against Vaz for saying that anyone wishing to have a free debate on the issue must leave the country.
At least a few people at the BBC have finally woken up. Whether they do something about it remains to be seen.
Field.Size | 13.02.09 – 10:05 am |
Field.Size, a resounding ‘hear, hear’
How long before this greatest of Englishmen is written out of history books and banned from the classroom?
It will not happen, and this is why.
Churchill was many things, perfectly ‘honest’, by his own admission, not being one of them. Churchill was an establishment gangster, as they all are, very much of The Company or Firm.
However Churchill was not all bad or indeed evil, he had many good points. Churchill was a true British nationalist and instinctive small c conservative.
He actually believed in the BRITISH EMPIRE as being inherently a good and godly thing. He genuinely believed it was better then the alternatives. Which was as he saw them, just about as bad and evil, as bad and evil often gets. In this especially, Thatcher and Churchill had much in common
Before and during WW2 Churchill was put in a seemingly impossible position by elements within his own establishment. Many of which including many very important chaps within the royal family were real material and esoteric supporters of German/European Nazism. While being also massive investors in it. Standard Oil and other Rothschild family, and Papal Banking and industrial interests being extremely large players at the time.
Churchill knew the REAL secretive power behind the throne, many of these people where close personal friends of his and his extended more powerful and wealthy family. He knew the dangers of the long term plan. This is why he advocated the gold standard, simply to protect his own nations middle and lower middle class from being repeatedly and ultimately robbed blind by what he correctly saw as eventual INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISM and or pan national Fascist style corporate capitalism.
The Free French, The British, Russians, Chinese and Americans trusted each other about as much as Stalin should have trusted Hitler. This even in spite of the fact that their strings where indeed being pulled by the exactly the same or very similar forces.
The compromise, that was agreed for the time being, was the setting up of the EU. British interests were planned to later sneak themselves in. This when eventually the heat was off the big money, that had indeed financed BOTH sides of WW2. In exactly the same way it had BOTH sides of WW1.
The plan was to create a New World Order by around 1980-1990. However plans got delayed for several reasons. Resulting in several assassinations including that of JFK. Who famously went on record as not wanting any of it for the American people, once he finally worked out what the FINAL SOLUTION actually was. Shortly before his head got very publicly exploded.
If the above does not make perfect sense, it should do. Because it is the only logical explanation for subsequent and past events.
Therefore in my opinion Churchill will remain the father of Modern Britain for better or worse. He failed dismally to protect his beloved nations conservative nature. However future historians will simply disregard this fundamental and major disaster, as a minor detail.
‘Telegraph’
Charles Moore:
‘Banning Wilders plays into the hands of our Islamist enemies’
‘The Home Secretary should instead stop the advocates of violence from entering Britain, argues Charles Moore’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/4615504/Banning-Wilders-plays-into-the-hands-of-our-Islamist-enemies.html
‘Jihadwatch’:
“Double standards: LePen is welcome in Britain, Wilders is not”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024840.php
‘Yorkshire Post’
“BBC in new apology over on air swearing over MP”
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/BBC-in-new-apology-after.4981078.jp
OR:
‘Far left BBC in apology over on air swearing over freedom-campaigning Dutch MP, Geert Wilders.’
After Dutch MP Wilders is banned from Britain, the Labour government gets out the red carpet for Guantanamo detainee, the Ethiopian Mohamed for his residence in Britain:
‘Mail’
“UK officials head to Guantanamo Bay to prepare British detainee for release”
(Note: he is NOT ‘British’.)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1145435/UK-officials-head-Guantanamo-Bay-prepare-British-detainee-release.html
No doubt, the BBC will point to the contrast of treatment of these two men by the Labour government…….
Just when you think this government has sunk as low as it could ever get, they suprise you. Ethiopian terrorist gets red carpet welcome, brave defender of freedom shown the door. And our chattering classes open another bottle of champagne
Just when you think this government has sunk as low as it could ever get, they suprise you.
My thoughts exactly. The last three years has been characterised by an almost weekly exclamation… “They wouldn’t do that…. would they????”.
But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Islam itself is not the problem – it’s the caveman version that’s causing this clash of civilization.
NB: No offense meant to commenter “caveman”.
David Preiser (USA) | 14.02.09 – 1:12 am
As I am not actually sitting in a cave looking at pterodactyls at the present moment, I cannot take offence.
Yes David Preiser, I think you are correct that Islam itself is not the problem • it is the caveman version of it causing problems. I am sure I could find verses from the Bible that say ‘smite your enemies’, but if I posted them on a church notice board, I do not expect the congregation to respond by plotting how they can start wars.
If only muslims would calm down and get hobbies or interests apart from their blasted 7 day 24h religion, they would be a lot happier and we could all live in peace and harmony. They could ignore those parts of the Koran inciting them to kill and torture. Unfortunately, it does not seem like it is happening, as they seem to be getting worse as time passes and their numbers increase.
A generation ago when there were few mosques, those that were here were able to integrate. But now ‘the community’ has arrived big time and its control is absolute and cannot be disobeyed. Compare this with the Jews – a Jew who wants to be less religious or mix with non-Jews might get some disapproval, but he will not be in danger of his life.
I know of a moderate muslim woman who went to the cinema with some white non-muslims. Her husband, who was in Egypt at the time, rang up from abroad and threatened her with violence if she ever did it again. She was terrified not only for herself, but for the safety of her family, so she complied. One of her husband’s brothers had already committed a murder over a trivial matter which had insulted his ‘family honour’. Truly barbaric. This is how the community exerts its control. This is why we do not know how many muslims are moderate and how many are extreme.
The BBC is the main force trying to set the agenda of egging them on and pointing out their grievances to them all the time, eg telling them all about the crusades. It is not helpful to tell an excitable group with a strange sense of honour that, according to the BBC version, we took their land off them. How do they expect a group with a medieval outlook to react? In a mature way?
Unfortunately this is followed by an image of our government (and opposition) trembling and grovelling when threatened from within by a mini army of 10,000. The extreme muslims get the impression that our government is on their side. Maybe it is. Not because our government loves Islam so much as because they hate Britain. If muslims were peaceful and wanted to integrate and calm down, and grow up in their thinking, those who hate Britain would soon forget about them.
‘Jihadwatch’ –
“Britain’s Muslim peer crows over banning of Wilders from country”
[Extract]:
“The chief foe of freedom of speech and resistance to the jihad in Britain exults in his victory. ‘Wilders’ ban is in Britain’s best interests,’ by Lord Nazir Ahmed in The Guardian…
‘When I found out that Geert Wilders was planning to come to Britain and that Baroness Cox and Lord Pearson wanted to show his film, I wrote to the Home Office, the leader of the House of Lords and Black Rod to say that his presence would lead to the incitement of religious and racial hatred, which constitutes a public order offence.’
“The question is: who would have been inciting that religious and racial hatred? Wilders, or Muslim protesters calling for his head, burning flags, etc.?
“What has Lord Ahmed done about the Muslim preachers who are busy inciting religious hatred within Britain, and have been doing so for years?”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024846.php
We need a running rogues gallery – the ten most contemptible anti-British figures in Britain today.
Include Lord Ahmed – “new in at number 5, just behind….?” Hey but why stop at ten?