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Haloscan going loopy again. Comments won’t show until I’ve posted.
Oh. That’s because there aren’t any. It’s good to look stupid.
The fifth columnist in the White House.
After merely one calendar month, Obama’s foreign policy has already been disastrous for the defenders of the free world. See Charles Krauthammer’s description of how he has turned America into a
grinning Goliath staggering about sporting a ‘kick me’ sign on his back
with Russia, Iran and Pakistan duly obliging in quick succession.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3374696/the-fifth-columnist-in-the-white-house.thtml
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Ah, Haloscan!
I wrote three comments in the last General BBC-related comment thread.
here
Who will relate to them now?
test
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7901057.stm
BBC spinning Brown’s version of the Pope story. What actually happened is being reported by other media outlets.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5767876.ece
Brown claimed that the Pope was coming to the UK next year; the Vatican then denied this. Brown looked like a tit, but not in BBC land.
deegee 9:11
I read them ! Yes, the BBC have always hated Bibi, so they must be tearing their hair if he becomes PM. I think someone posted here some time ago that , at least, it will give the BBC a hate figure now that Bush has gone.
The Enemies Within Update:
British Muslims ‘providing Taliban with electronic devices for roadside bombs’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/4736032/British-Muslims-providing-Taliban-with-electronic-devices-for-roadside-bombs.html
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Ian Infidel
The BBC would rather bleat on endlessly about foreigners than report the concerns of our own soldiers that “British” people are supplying electronic kits to the Taliban – and in some cases fighting with them.
If I were in the forces I would not just despise the BBC – easy to do – but I would feel real anger at their bias, their concern all the time for our enemies.
Oh and yes, people like Binyan are our enemy, unless proved otherwise. If it walks like a duck…..
JohnA 11:14
For the views of sqauddies, families and friends generally try:
http://www.arrse.co.uk/
Heres more beeboids helping “save the planet”
“BBC Watchdog presenter Julia Bradbury in police probe over air miles”
“The value of the flights in question is thought to be around £20,000 while her sister, Gina Fox – who is also her agent – is being investigated for around £35,000 of free flights.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4734833/BBC-Watchdog-presenter-Julia-Bradbury-in-police-probe-over-air-miles.html
David | 20.02.09 – 10:52 pm |
And this from the telegraph
“Gordon Brown invites Pope Benedict XVI to visit UK during Vatican trip ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4698951/Gordon-Brown-invites-Pope-Benedict-XVI-to-visit-UK-during-Vatican-trip.html
But surely Jaqui Smith will not let him into the country will she?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-15-pope-protest_x.htm
Well this is all very strange! I can’t seem to find any mention of this story on the BBC news website:
Al-Qaeda founder launches fierce attack on Osama bin Laden
“One of al-Qaeda’s founding leaders, Dr Fadl, has begun an ideological revolt against Osama bin Laden, blaming him for “every drop” of blood spilt in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
No doubt they’ll get around to it eventually.
Jon 12:45
Unfortunately, the Vatican has denied that the Pope is coming to the UK. It is just another of Brown’s fantasies.
It is a shame, because the sight of the wretched Lord Ahmed campaigning against the visit would have been most amusing , especially if he had to do it from prison.
Only in beeboid la la land, could the programme called “Farming Today”, devote an entire weeks output to the effect of the recession on organic farming – a sector which even beeboids admit through gritted teeth and with much wailing and lamenting, accounts for approximately 2% of agricultural output.
Never mind the continued all pervasive and pernicious effects of defra gold plating every bit of EU legislation and costing hundreds of millions in increased production costs. Never mind dairy farmers continuing to leave the industry at record rates , while middlemen and supermarkets rake it in. Never mind a succession of truly incompetent urban agriculture ministers with an anti countryside agenda, the beeboids know what their listeners want !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1151489/Brown-face-ticking-MPs-failing-declare-1-600-rent.html
Gordon Brown fails to declare rent !
Don’t know if this has been reported by the BBC.
Of course it hasn’t. Can you imagine the headlines if David Cameron had even been just accused of such a failure to declare? The BBC’s pro-Labour bias needs urgent correction.
NotaSheep | Homepage | 21.02.09 – 9:49 am
If the Committee report is per the Mail’s speculation, and the BBC don’t report it, you might have a point. As things stand, you don’t.
MWL 10:14
But , if it was a Tory, the BBC would have been reporting it endlessly. That is BBC bias.
No MWL:
You might have a point IF the BBC adopted a universal standard i.e. not to report until the official findings were clear.
BUT of course Auntie isn’t always so punctilious. Was Caroline Spellman given the benefit of the doubt? Was George Osborne? Did the BBC observe a vow of silence when they and or the Conservative Party were accused of breaking the rules?
The answer is no. Far from reserving judgement, the BBC tried and convicted both Conservative politicians BEFORE any official complaint or investigation was launched.
In the case of Ms Spellman – the odious Mr Crick (sp) led a one man crusade on the issue. Ditto Nick Robinson for Osborne – the BBC chief Political Correspondent spent two days hounding the shadow chancellor and repeatedly issued dire warnings that he might go to jail. For Mr. Robinson it was an open and shut case – the Tories were guilty. Contrast with his handling of the Jacqui Smith case – where on the Daily Politics he publicly declared her innocent of all charges – even before the allegations had been investigated.
Oh! And I nearly forgot – how about Mandelson and Oleg Deripaska. Robinson demanded and received a full account of Mr Osborne’s connections to the Russian oligarch. Did he demand a similar statement from Mr. Mandelson • even though his Lordships office had previously downplayed both the length and closeness of their relationship • as discovered by the Times not the BBC • err! No. Instead Robinson admitted on •air that he had chosen to ignore the story • because once more he had looked at the evidence and decided to give Mr Mandelson the benefit of the doubt.
Amazing isn’t it • it’s always Labour politicians that get the benefit • but never the Tories. And before you ask • no I’m not saying that the Tories are squeaky clean, quite the opposite. But at the moment, it would seem to be the Labour party that is more embroiled in sleaze and as a fact • it is certainly the Labour party that is dragging its heals in regard to reforming MPs expenses etc..
Now as for the Brown story. I’ll admit it’s a bit of a non-story – if there was a breach, it looks like an accidental breech. But can you remember the story about John Major and a certain catering firm? It was the lead item on the BBC TV news for a few days and the allegations were far less serious, the connections to major was spurious at best (unlike in this story • where Brown presumably signed-off on his expenses). Oh! And if you’re interested the allegations turned out to be totally false • but if I remember correctly, the BBC hardly reported on that salient fact at all.
While BBC reporter Jim Muir’s reports from Baghdad have been much more balanced than the defeatist rubbish we’ve had in quantity from the BBC over the last few years, his latest report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7903052.stm
about the renaming of Abu Ghraib prison starts by making the point that the prison “became notorious for detainee abuse by US forces in 2004” while completely ignoring the immensely greater abuses carried out there by Saddam’s regime over many years. Again we see the double standard: US faults are reported, Saddam’s bloody tyranny is airbrushed from history.
Jonathan | 21.02.09 – 10:47 a
no report on jacqui smith, yet the bbc have reported it endlessly.
From another thread I’ve just noticed this post by – MWL: “I was being hassled by Jonathan to respond to an arcane point about GNP”
For other contributors – that arcane point was Gordon Brown claiming at Press Conference that the UK National debt was 40% of GDP • when on the very same day – the Office For National Statistics had reported “Government borrowing now stands at 47.8% of the UK’s economic output. Last January, it stood at 42.2%”
Now 7.8% of GDP might be small beer to MWL • but by engaging in this little rounding down – Gordon has lopped-off some £50 Billion from the national debt. If only it were true!
My point was thus a simple one • why didn’t the BBC journalists at the press conference challenge the PM • the ONS story was the lead item on the BBC TV news – so I assume they must have known the true picture of the nations’ finances. Or failing that, why didn’t the BBC editor correct or allude to the PM’s miss-speak in the on-line write-up of the PM’s press conference?
In his reply MWL claimed that this was an example of sloppy journalism rtaher than outright bias. If this was an isolated case then MWK would have a plausible argument… But Gordon Brown has a history of being economical with the truth. In fact, a wise man would double-check every economic statistic that comes out of his mouth • the term Brownies has evolved for a reason.
Here are just a few examples courtesy of Coffee House….
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3283886/a-transcript-of-halftruths-exaggerations-and-brownies.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3181531/brown-should-mind-his-taxes.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2499791/making-northern-rock-disappear.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2217311/hes-just-making-it-up-now.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2099206/the-brownies-just-keep-on-coming.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3239346/more-brownies-from-bradshaw.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3233786/lansley-gives-ben-bradshaws-brownies-the-response-they-deserve.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3214231/ed-balls-debuts-the-apprenticeships-brownie.thtml
So time after time – BBC journalists have allowed the PM to get away with blue murder. Remember the ‘no-one would lose out’ because of the 10p tax band abolition line. A five-year old could see through that one – but Brown got away with it for 12 months -thanks in no large part to the BBC.
So I’m sorry MWL if my posts are arcane • but I think that our National Broadcaster • the one we all pay for • should hold our political masters to account, but clearly you don’t. You think it’s OK for the PM, Chancellor etc… to spout dodgy statistics that bear no relation to the official figures • well that’s a point of view • I suppose.
So I’m sorry MWL if my posts are arcane • but I think that our National Broadcaster • the one we all pay for • should hold our political masters to account, but clearly you don’t. You think it’s OK for the PM, Chancellor etc… to spout dodgy statistics that have no relation to the official figures or reality • well that’s a point of view, I suppose.
Brown has the ability to extend his fiscal cycles, offset things as PFI’s and future spend to keep them off the books and put expenditure down as future spend. The actual state of the economy is even worse than reported and we will be paying for it for years to come.
in short after 11yrs of Labour;
the beneficiaries; public sector managers, freeloaders and management consultants
the losers; the honest taxpayers
MWl: “No report on Jacqui smith, yet the BBC have reported it endlessly”.
Yes and for the first week all we got from Nick Robinson was ‘she hasn’t broken the rules’ period.
How many times has NR blogged on the issue – Zero. Try looking back to the George Osborne story • not only did he break the story, he was blogging a new angle or allegation – once or twice a day. Indeed, he kept up the attack (and still refers to it) even though Osborne has been cleared. It must have been the first time in history that a political party came under attack for not accepting a political donation. The BBC even got the point of law wrong • as the parliamentary authorities later pointed out • the Conservatives could have lawfully accepted the donation through a UK company owned and operated by a foreign national. What’s more at the very time that the BBC were attacking the Tories • Labour were accepting donations from foreign nationals via UK registered companies, e.g. Lakshmi Mittal and for much larger sums. Has the BBC publicized this? Err • No!
Frankos: Good Point.
Did you see that the Times has broken a story about Brown preparing to raid public sector pension funds to bail-out PFI projects. I’ve linked it on another thread.
Have the BBC picked up on yet? Err No!
The BBC – Hiding the truth from the public to protect Labour – it’s what we do!
David 10.52 pm
The BBC is looking more and more ludicrous and, gradually, Mr Average Joe is seeing through the whole charade.
Just look at the latest poll (not published on BBC, as usual). A 28% Tory lead. Not only is it now impossible for Labour to win an election (not that I think there will be one, by the way), the BBC are looking more and more likely to lose the ability to continue to levy the licence fee.
The BBC is in the process of signing it’s own death warrant. It couldn’t happen to a nicer organisation.
MWL 10:14: The BBC would headline the accusation against a Conservative and you know it. The bias is there and you know it.
The news quize on radio 4 mocking the bible again.
No mention of the Koran are they for some reason frightened of the religion of peace?
Wonder when Al Beeb will start to spin this one, like they did with GW! 🙂
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/21/hope-and-change-administration-detainees-have-no-constitutional-rights/
Mailman
Jonathan | 21.02.09 – 11:35 am
Excellent point about the BBC’s refusal to identify, let alone correct, all the Brownies.
The example you give – where the PM’s lie is in flat contradiction to a BBC running lead story is an absolute gem.
They must never be allowed to forget it.
Imagine the outcry if this had been a british soldier? Most likely, all those Iraqi’s getting a new a-hole ripped would now be in the UK as political refugee’s and going through the courts to get some kind of payout because the geezer swearing at them violated their uman roits!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32835_Video-_Iraqi_Police_Get_a_Motivational_Speech
Mailman
On Radio 4’s “World at One” today, there was an item on the Irish public service workers demo, organised by the trade union movement, in Dublin. There was lengthy comment from one man – Gerry Adams, from a party with 4 out of 166 seats in the Dail. Why?
The bBC, how it reports on men who beat women up and half the story.
After reading the many bBC articles on how the boyfriend of the pop star Rhiana had been arrested on attacking a woman but without them saying just who the woman was. The whole world knew who the victim was but for some reaon the bBC just didn’t want you to know.
One off reporting on the joys of beating females if they get out of line. (I wonder just where the bBC would get that idea from?)
Any here is a story about a Northern Irish woman who was murdered in Romania from the bBC.
Man questioned on teacher killing
The Romanian authorities have arrested a man for the murder of a County Antrim woman who was found dead in eastern Romania.
Jennifer Buchanan, a mother-of-two from Jordanstown, Newtownabbey, was a teacher at Glengormley High School.
She died in a small village near the Moldovan border. The man arrested is 46-year-old Doru Condurache. It is understood Mrs Buchanan had been living in Romania since December.
Her husband, Dr Ian Buchanan, said he was informed of his wife’s death on Thursday. Mrs Buchanan was a teacher at Glengormley High School.Dr Buchanan said he and his daughters were devastated by the news.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7902905.stm
And here is the irish Independents look on the story;
A RESPECTED teacher and mother of two has been beaten to death just months after moving to Romania with her new partner.
Jennifer Buchanan (54) died earlier this week after a vicious assault at the home she shared with her partner in the east of the country.
Her partner, Doru Condurache (46), has been arrested, with Romanian media reporting that he has confessed to the killing.
Mrs Buchanan, who was from Jordanstown, near Belfast, had moved to Romania after taking leave from her job as head of careers at Glengormley High School.
It is believed she met Mr Condurache within the past two years. The Romanian had been working in Dublin. He persuaded her to move to his remote home town in recent months, possibly as recently as December.
Mrs Buchanan died of massive head injuries after being assaulted in the house in Barlad, eastern Romania. Local police arrested her partner after he called the emergency services.
“They had an argument and the man began to hit her until she dropped unconscious on the ground,” police spokeswoman Mihaela Straub said.
“When he couldn’t revive her he called an ambulance, but the woman was already dead. He later confessed his crime.”
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/romanian-police-hold-man-after-irish-mum-murdered-1648382.html
The bBC, how it reports on men who beat women up and half the story.
After reading the BBC sanitised version of that horrific story, complete with references to her devastated husband and daughters, I was left wondering what she was doing in Romania and speculating that perhaps she was on a short overseas secondment or educational exchange or some assignment of that sort. You’d never know that she had actually left her husband and family and gone to live in Romania with the thug who murdered her.
So in other words, the BBC doesn’t tell you the news; it obscures it.
Classic BBC crap. 10PM news they run the story about the smelly fat one eyed jock being first to meet Obama.
So for ‘balance’ the BBC interviews some ex Labour spin doctor who decides that David Cameron is out of step and that Brown and Obama are hand in hand on the economy.
Not a hint of dissent.
Except Obama is doing some significant tax cuts in America where as here the fat unwashed one eyed one has been putting taxes UP.
But hey lets not let facts get in the way of a good spin story by the BBC for the sporraned one.
johnathan / frankos
bbc have finally done a wee story on the PFI meltdown ( best covered by the Times).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7891475.stm
loved this bit –
“PFI was created during John Major’s Conservative rule, but the party’s shadow chief secretary to the Treasury Philip Hammond said its time may have passed. ”
this is of course a massive heap of bullshit. PFI spending has been rising rapidly under Labour. In 1995 it was £670 million but by last year it had hit £7.7 billion. By 2010, if the funding is found, it is expected to reach £11 billion. But this understates future commitments. The Government is already pledged to make revenue payments to PFI contractors by 2028 of more than £110 billion, a colossal sum equivalent to about a tenth of current GDP.
try searching PFI under the BBC news stories – no debate. if you look back thru Private Eye they have been predicting this for years. once again the BBC has simply ducked out of explaining the big issues to us because we are presumably thick plebs who wouldn’t understand.
Tonight’s 10 o’clock news was like a parody NuLab propaganda video.
Item after item was chosen to big-up the reputation and standing of Gordon Brown.
We had a report about Brown being granted an audience with Barack Obama. After the usual special relationship blether, former Labour spin-doctor Lance Price was invited on to make a gratuitous attack on David Cameron. Naturally there was no balancing Conservative voice.
Then an entire segment of the news was given over to a plug for an article the Great Leader has written for tomorrow’s Observer. That’s news?
And just in case we’d begun to think we lived in a one-party state, there was finally some mention of the opposition. Unfortunately, it was to announce that an investigation has been launched into Lord Ashcroft’s donations to the Conservatives. Again, no Conservative, nor any spokesman for Lord Ashcroft, was on to deny any wrongdoing.
Not even North Korea has so subservient a state broadcaster.
Tom:
Spot one – Everytime the Beeb mentioned the Jacqui Smith story last week they allowed the Home Sec. to put her defence – in person. Do the Tories get the same privilege – err No!
Moreover, every BBC commentator from Robinson downwards kept repeating the mantra – it looks like Jacqui hasn’t broken any rules or wait for the results of the enquiry before you judge. Do the Conservatives get the benefit – err No!
Then there’s the timing of this announcement – the decision to investigate was made on January 30th. So why announce it three weeks later on a saturday night?
Answer – It’s just in time to catch the Sunday papers + the subject of Tory sleaze will be all over the BBC’s political shows tomorrow.
The whole think stinks to high heaven. Now lets wait for the Tory party to be cleared (and it will be – because Labour’s got its own foreign donors – something else the BBC doesn’t mention) and see how much coverage the BBC give that.
BTW anybody catch the Mirror hatchet job on Chris Grayling – I bet the BBC try to link the story to JS. One big difference however – Grayling has been claiming for a flat in London – not his main family home in his consituency. So basically its nothing like JS at all – but that won’t stop the BBC spinning like a top.
The puzzle as to why the BBC should make this the main news of the day only deepened when it emerged that Prof Field was not a climate scientist at all but an evolutionary biologist. To promote its cause the BBC website even posted a video explaining how warming would be made worse by “negative feedback”. This scientific howler provoked much amusement and derision on expert US blogs, such as Anthony Watts’s Watts Up With That • since “negative feedback” would lower temperatures rather than raise them. The BBC soon pulled its video.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4742293/Climate-change-rhetoric-spirals-out-of-control.html
But the BBC is correct. Obama and Brown are in step with each other.
Both are taking all sorts of measures that add immeasurably to public debt, that will stoke up inflation, that will do damn-all to help the economy right now in 2009.
And both lie through their teeth.
Both will get their come-uppamce in 2010 – Brown with the boot if he lasts that long, Obama by losing control of the Senate.
Tom/Jonathan – you both beat me to it. I heard the lead item on R4’s midnight news with absolute incredulity: the ‘revelation’ that (once again) Ashcroft’s donations to the Tories were to be investigated.
How ever so amazingly strange that the BBC leads on this while having virtually ignored stories about Jacqui Smith and Gordon Brown both having been caught with their fingers in the public till!
And isn’t it also strange how MWL and that other BBC apologist, Gus Haynes, are always so conspicuously absent when unarguable examples of BBC bias like these are under discussion?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7904103.stm
“The mourning service at Melbourne’s Rod Laver Arena was attended by Princess Anne, on behalf of the UK’s Queen Elizabeth II, as well as Australian dignitaries and both fire survivors and rescue personnel.”
Actually, HM The Queen is Queen of Australia as well – unless the BBC are tacitly supporting the loathsome republican movement.
Stefan,
Well spotted and typical of the BBC to promote a sneaky republican agenda in such a dishonest way, they cannot help themselves can they?
The BBC have no controls on their behaviour now, they are peddling their own political vision as hard as any political party.
I managed 9 mins of the Marr labour circus this morning
Clearly the ancient Ashcroft story is the one to be spun today. It is really high up on the news agenda for the avarage Britain. This issue was cleared up when John Major was PM.
I really think that Marr sits in on the Labour PR strategy meetings to discuss how the news narrative is to be managed. he is clearly part of the Labour spin machine. It is amazing how many of his stories fall within ‘the grid’? The rest of the “news” was a review of the Brown against 100% mortgages puff piece in the Observer (when was he converted to this new creed? he has had 11 long long years to demonstrate his faith so far…)and Brown meeting Saint Barak.
This show was really quite unbelievable. Helena Kennedy lecturing about papers creating the image of “venal MPs” whilst the camera lingers on highlighted Ashcroft story. Quite deliberate “guilt by association” propaganda techniques. What next associating conservatives with the BNP? Oh dear they have already done that. many times
Sometimes The BBC makes me swear almost as much as their top earning talent ?$%***!! F$£&&*!@ the lot of them!
Tom, Jonathan, GCooper
Yes, the BBC does not shrink from publicising alleged misdemeanours of a member of the House of Lords,so long as that Lord is not Labour.
So, the BBC digs into Tory Lord Ashcroft, with not a mention of Labour Lord Ahmed anywhere:
BBC:
“Watchdog probes Tory donor’s firm”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7904033.stm
But the BBC only expresses silent dhimmitude about Labour Lord Ahmed, unlike ‘Cranmer’:
“Lord Ahmed must be prosecuted for treason”
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2009/02/lord-ahmed-must-be-prosecuted-for.html
Thanks to the BBC’s Reeta Chakrabarti, we now know that the two tests the electoral commission apply in respect of company donations are:
1. That the company is registered in the UK
and
2. That the company is trading.
Whatever ‘enquiry’ or ‘investigation’ the Electoral Commission is embarking on shouldn’t take long as all registered companies are required to make an annual return to Companies House saying whether they are trading or dormant.
This information is nowadays available online by paying a subscription and registering here
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/
Rather than keep us all in continuing political suspense, perhaps someone at the BBC could get out his corporate credit card and do a search.
George R writes: “So, the BBC digs into Tory Lord Ashcroft, with not a mention of Labour Lord Ahmed anywhere:”
Indeed. If you cast your mind back to the howls of rage about the fool, ‘Lord’ Archer, and compare that with the relative silence over the homicidal Ahmed who, in addition to his slaying of an innocent person, recently threatened the House of Lords with Islamic insurgency, the contrast simply couldn’t be stronger.
Similar is true of that other pillar of the community, Vaz, who is forever on air spouting his worthless opinions, rather than queuing for his porridge, which would be an altogether more appropriate activity, given his behaviour.
As we know, there are two reasons why these specimens of human depravity receive immunity from the BBC: they are Labour supporters and their presence placates Moslem opinions (or so the dhimmis at the BBC like to believe).
Those of us who were around when the late (and in my case unlamented) ‘John Reith’ was posting here will recall he, rather proudly, tacitly admitted this was the case.
The BBC, he, in effect, claimed, was right to play down the baleful influence of Islam in this country, so as to ‘encourage the moderates’.
He, and the rest of his kin, would have been fine bedfellows for Chamberlain, wouldn’t they?
Anonymous at 11:15 was me.
GCooper | 22.02.09 – 11:24 am
But Vaz isn’t a Muslim. He’s a Roman Catholic.