OPEN THREAD.

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  1. JohnA says:

    There are already many portents that Obama is getting ready to sell Israel down the river – the pattern of his appointments to senior office, his and their current and prior statements, all his appeasing to dictators round the globe – and his general sense of moral equivocation on so many issues.

    Given the amount of space that the BBC devotes to the Israel/Pali problem – how come I have heard nothing from the BBC of this possibility / risk of Obama ditching Israel ? ie. siding with terrorists and despots in the Middle East against a Western-style democracy ?

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  2. Martin says:

    Take a look at the BBC’s website and the reporting of MP expenses. I’m not defending anything but look at how the world TORY is in the headline for today but not in the Liebour ones.

    Read the Liebour stories and note how the BBC gets in the “It’s within the rules” statement. Note how the BBC emphasises the innocence of the Liebour MPs then cmoapre that to the BBC story on Tory MPs.

    notice a different tone?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8039977.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8041972.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8043057.stm

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  3. nrg says:

    Martin, I am abroad and listening to World Service, which is pumping out a story of a valliant Gordon Brown trying to stem a flow of Tory sleaze. Shocking propaganda from the Beeboids.

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  4. nrg says:

    Look at this list of links of web Beeb main story. Notice everyone is defending ie they are getting their say except the Tory´s – I defy anyone to claim that this is not deliberate political bias.

    – Brown apology over MPs’ expenses
    – Expenses focus turns on Tory MPs
    – Expenses system ‘wrong’ – Blears
    – MPs’ prestige at low ebb – Carey
    – MPs hit back over expenses claims
    – Ministers defend expenses claims
    – Sinn Fein defend MP housing costs
    – Cardiff MP dismisses claim

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  5. Martin says:

    nrg: The BBC have been waiting to hit back at the Tories.

    Anyone else hear speaker Michael Martin? What a TWAT he is.

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  6. Anonymous says:

    Biased-bbc should go after the Corp. more on their treatment of MPs expenses, rather than Gaza. I don’t give a fig about the Arabs or the Jews.

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  7. terryw says:

    Cameron as PM is the Beebs worst nightmare. His call for the freezing of the TV licence is perceived as the first step in abolishing it. All those ex BBC employees on the dole following cut backs in funding is bound to make them anti Tory.

    The exposure of BBC waste is an accident waiting to happen.

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  8. George R says:

    ‘Jihadwatch’:

    ‘Jihadis mobilizing in small American towns’

    [Extract]:

    “The Dept. of Justice reports that there are ‘more than 35 suspected communes and more than 30,000 members spread across the US, all in support of one goal: the purification of Islam through violence.’

    “‘Seeds of Afghan jihad bloom in two US towns,’ from the Daily Times, May 11.”

    Is the BBC investigating parallel development in Britain?

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  9. Anonymous says:

    Eh, Martin, the Telegraph published the Cabinet’s expenses at the start of last week, today is the turn of the Conservatives, That would be why the headlines are about the Tories today.
    Oh dear.

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  10. George R says:

    ‘eu referendum’ has:

    ‘Oh joy!’

    “The Guardian is telling us that two BBC environment and science reporters are to lose their jobs as part of BBC News’s latest round of cuts.

    “The BBC’s team of science and environment correspondents includes Roger Harrabin (pictured), David Shukman, Christine McGourty, Pallab Ghosh, Sarah Mukherjee and Jeremy Cooke, all of whom report for various news programmes across BBC TV and radio services.

    “‘The science and environment beat is a massive growth area and the reporting team are pre-eminent so many there are puzzled to say the very least about it,’ said a BBC source. ‘It needs expertise for these stories, a lot of preparation needs to be put in, and to lose two reporters in one go is madness.’

    “The source also pointed at the ‘huge irony’ of the decision given the ‘importance the organisation places on climate change as part of the news agenda’.

    “The real irony is that anyone can seriously suggest that being a BBC environment correspondent requires any expertise. After all, how difficult can it be to regurgitate press releases from the WWF and Friends of the Earth?”

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  11. George R says:

    ‘Harry’s Place’ (11 May):

    “BBC Asian Network could do better”.

    It would be better if it were abolished; through it, the BBC promotes separate identities for Muslims/ ‘Asians’, and what the BBC calls ‘British Asians’.

    BBC licencepayers subsidise this sort of apartheid.

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  12. Anonymous says:

    Come on, Anonymous, don’t try to confuse them with comments like this:

    ‘And across the BBC’s coverage, there is no evidence at all that they have sought in any way to apportion blame or criticism on one side rather than the other.’

    If you’d visited this Blog before you’d know that facts and reality are irrelevant. It’s much more important that this place acts as forum for to vent to like-minded crazies without fear of arrest or ostracization.

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  13. Millie Tant says:

    “The source also pointed at the ‘huge irony’ of the decision given the ‘importance the organisation places on climate change as part of the news agenda’.
    ===================================

    “The news agenda”?

    I thought the (Biased) Broadcaster’s job was to report the news. I thought maybe that events – the news itself – dictated the importance. Silly ol’ me.

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  14. Martin says:

    Anon: If you bothered to read my post it is the tone of the BBC’s reporting about the Tories not the fact they are reporting it.

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  15. David Preiser says:

    The BBC is being extremely dishonest about the controversy over Miss USA contestant who is opposed to legalizing gay marriage.

    There’s been a whole lot of noise about this in the US, because it’s basically a case of religious persecution in the press. During the final round, where the contestants usually get asked Blue Peter-level questions, like, “What would you do to encourage world peace?”, the gossip columnist/gay activist panel judge asked her if she approved of the legalization of gay marriage.

    Now, the judges all knew about Carrie Prejean’s deep Christian beliefs, and nobody has ever asked even a remotely controversial question before. This was a gotcha. The girl’s answer was this:

    “I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And you know what? I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised.”

    Sounds reasonable, and just the sort of tolerance we’re supposed to tolerate in the US. She clearly says people should be allowed to do what they want. The gay judge has openly admitted that she was the front runner until then, and her answer – based on a religious belief that he doesn’t share – cost her the crown.

    Of course, the BBC doesn’t tell you any of that. Not only do they blatantly quote her out of the proper context of her full statement, but they present it as it’s merely the girl’s claim that:

    In April Ms Prejean made headlines at the Miss USA beauty pageant with her outspoken opposition to gay marriage, which she says cost her that title.

    If the gay activist judge hadn’t asked such an unreasonably – and uniquely – controversial question, she would not have been “outspoken” at all. But the BBC doesn’t tell you that.

    Here’s a sample of some of the hate spouted from the other side. But the BBC doesn’t tell you about any of that, either.

    Because the anti-Christian, intolerant media is out to get Prejean. Like so many other wannabe models and actresses, she did some lingerie and bikini photos. Supposedly this violates the rules of the pageant, and the Leftoid media is trying to use these photos to ruin her. However, at least one other Miss USA contestant has equally “revealing” photos out there, and nobody seems to care.

    That’s because nobody thinks she holds unapproved thoughts. But the BBC doesn’t want you to know about any of that.

    All the BBC wants you to know is that some nasty, Christian gay-hater is whining that she may lose her Miss California crown and is crying sour grapes about losing the Miss USA contest because she thinks people are out to get her. Total misrepresentation of facts, because Prejean doesn’t hold approved thoughts. More anti-Christian persecution from the BBC.

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  16. Millie Tant says:

    It’s much more important that this place acts as forum for to vent to like-minded crazies without fear of arrest or ostracization.

    5:38 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++True enough, Any Mouse: no one here will arrest or molest you for your splutterings. Isn’t it grand, now? The sun is shining, the sky is blue. Such a happy benevolent little band we are.

    Enjoy, dear boy, enjoy! Gather ye rosebuds while ye may. WHo knows when it may all end, the plug be pulled and we all disappear in a puff of smoke?

    Ah,if only the Biased Broadcaster would!

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  17. Not a sheep says:

    JohnA: “Given the amount of space that the BBC devotes to the Israel/Pali problem – how come I have heard nothing from the BBC of this possibility / risk of Obama ditching Israel ? ie. siding with terrorists and despots in the Middle East against a Western-style democracy ?”

    I don’t think the BBC see “ditching Israel” as a risk at all and as for “siding with terrorists and despots” well that’s wht athe BBC does.

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  18. Millie Tant says:

    David Preiser: I read about it in the press here, fully reported as you have done.

    She said nothing out of place. It seems it is now verboten to hold a view derived from Biblical and religious sources(and held by many, including, I believe the current President and Vice-President)that marriage is between a man and a woman.

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  19. Peter says:

    Anonymous said…
    Come on, Anonymous, don’t try to confuse them with comments like this:
    I have to say that, as confusing goes, this one kicked off pretty well, whoever ‘them’ might be:)

    (I even miss the smiley face, too)

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  20. David Preiser says:

    The BBC has reported that the Pope condemns Holocaust denial.

    Unfortunately, they had to add this disgusting observation:

    The Pope’s immediate, forceful and unequivocal condemnation of anti-Semitism in any form and in any part of the world will have pleased his Israeli hosts, the BBC’s David Willey reports from Jerusalem.

    FFS, BBC, do you have to turn a statement from the Pope condemning Holocaust denial into a moment of political sucking up?

    They also make sure to remind everyone that he was in the Hitler Youth, albeit “unenthusiastic”. As if he had a real choice in the matter. Any mention that this Pope has already done more real reaching out to Jews than any of his predecessors? Nah. He said something the Joooooos like, so screw him.

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  21. David Preiser says:

    Millie Tant @6:02PM

    If the gay activist hadn’t asked the question, this story wouldn’t exist. But the BBC doesn’t say that, and grossly misrepresents her answer, and the basis of the ensuing controversy.

    Most amusing of all, the BBC doesn’t dare mention that Somebody Else agrees with the Christian beliefs held by the “controversial” Carrie Prejean:

    Obama said that while he does not believe in gay marriage, he does think the state should allow civil unions that allow a same-sex couples to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other.

    Just don’t expect to hear about this from the BBC. They swept it under the rug during the election campaign, and they’ll hide the truth from you now.

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  22. Llew says:

    BBC 6PM news. Headline : Gordon Brown apologises. Complete with a short video. Next sentence says it’s the Tories turn to come under scrutiny (no problem with that bit).

    Only much later in the bulletin are we told that “Other leaders have also apologised” as a little side comment.

    ITV at 6:30pm tells us and shows us first Gordon Brown then David Cameron apologising.

    Channel 4 at 7:00pm. Exactly the same, Gordon then David’s little speeches.

    Yet the BBC chose to headline and highlight just Gordon Brown’s apology.

    Utter utter BIAS. It isn’t anything else. It’s pro-Labour bias.

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  23. Anonymous says:

    Polly Toynbee has just savaged Gordon Brown in the Guardian. I wonder if she will get an invite for Question Time?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/11/labour-gordon-brown

    Alan Johnson is the man for Labour
    Gordon Brown made the rich richer and the poor poorer. The party can’t go into the next election under his leadership

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  24. David Preiser says:

    Nice one, DB. Let’s see how long it lasts before one of his sycophants complains.

    Mark Mardell can hardly be worse, even if he is wetting himself about being able to spend time in His presence.

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  25. Robert says:

    Polly Toynbee is so repulsive that she makes the BBC look good. After cheerleading for this last unelected “leader”, the inept BRown, she’s now trying to foist yet another unelected leader on us great unwashed. It’s about time those living in the Westminster bubble (starting with Toynbee, whose wages are payed by the BBC who prop up the minuscule Guardian readership through advertising) maintained a long overdue period of silence.

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  26. upinsmoke says:

    Anonymous said…
    Polly Toynbee has just savaged Gordon Brown in the Guardian. I wonder if she will get an invite for Question Time?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/11/labour-gordon-brown

    Alan Johnson is the man for Labour
    Gordon Brown made the rich richer and the poor poorer. The party can’t go into the next election under his leadership

    Excuse me?
    The tesco shelf stacker?
    ooh please, i think ive heard enough of this crap now.
    What has gone wrong with this coutry is this global problem of the elite trying to juggle the nation’s into a one world government(new world order “thank you Brown, Bush, Blair and Obama”) The BBC (and i agree) is nothing more than a mouth peice for the said musical farce we are going to be fed over the next few weeks.

    Tory or Labour, you all are as bad as one another, the BBC is clinging on to its soul provider of taxes, the license fee, just as the LIEbor party is clinging on to its power “for now”
    I realy dont see the Conservatives digging themselves out of this hole either, rich toffs serving LONDON!.
    Lets re-dress this awful situation, and have each Corrupt MP(s) (from all parties) declare their expences and let the constituents decide once and for all, if they are fit for office.

    If not, our country really has gone to the dogs, no matter what party takes over!

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  27. DB says:

    David Preiser @ 8:04 PM

    An odd thing – before pressing “Post Comment” I copied what I’d written from the BBC comment box and pasted it as an Open Office doc as back-up. Comparing what has appeared on Webb’s blog and what I have as a text doc I notice that little bits of punctuation are missing from the BBC’s version which render certain sentences semi-literate. Has anybody else noticed loss of punctuation when commenting on BBC blogs?

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  28. Martin says:

    Yes and I remember Richard Littlejohn putting the ugly fat bitch in her place on QT a couple of years back.

    Toynbee is a twat.

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  29. DB says:

    “Has anybody else noticed loss of punctuation when commenting on BBC blogs?”

    Now that I think about it – could it be a Jesuit conspiracy? Those feckin’ dashes and inverted commas. Bastards, the lot of them. What do you reckon, Atlas?

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  30. JohnA says:

    DB

    That is an excellent post at Justin Webb’s blog. He now stands condemned out of his own mouth.

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  31. David Mosque says:

    Panorama: nice to see they have got their finger on the pulse. This week a story about Allen Stanford (nasty capitalist) and next week about Stem cell research.

    Don’t go poking about near a corrupt and incompetant Labour government BBC whatever you do.

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  32. Anonymous says:

    Why Muslims Like Hitler, but Not Mozart:

    “Despotism comes quite natural to Islamic culture. When confronted with the European tradition, many Muslims freely prefer Adolf Hitler to Rembrandt, Michelangelo or Beethoven. Westerners don’t force them to study Mein Kampf more passionately than Leonardo da Vinci’s Mona Lisa or Goethe’s Faust; they choose to do so themselves. Millions of (non-Muslim) Asians now study Mozart’s piano pieces. Muslims, on the other hand, like Mr. Hitler more, although he represents one of the most evil ideologies that have ever existed in Europe. The fact that they usually like the Austrian Mr. Hitler more than the Austrian Mr. Mozart speaks volumes about their culture. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese and Middle Eastern Muslims have been confronted with the same body of ideas, yet choose to appropriate radically different elements from it, based upon what is compatible with their own culture.
    One of these cultures has a future, the other one does not”.
    Read More Brussels Journal

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  33. David Preiser says:

    I commented above @6:27PM about the BBC frowning at the Pope. Now, he’s done something that will really piss them off:

    Pope Walks Out on Hostile Islamic Judge in Jerusalem

    How will the BBC report this?

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  34. Anonymous says:

    >DB 9:17pm
    >"Has anybody else noticed loss of punctuation when commenting on BBC blogs?"

    I've noticed that the BBC blogs don't let you do a £ symbol. Typical of the BBC's pro-Euro anti-British bias.

    American sites like Blogger and Haloscan let you do a £ symbol, but Britain's national state broadcaster doesn't.

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  35. justinf says:

    the popes message against it being “totally unacceptable” regarding anti-semitism , seem to have been overlooked with Ed Stourton in his Today broadcast this morning.

    In it, Ed Stourton tried his best to blame the “apartheid wall” on the decline of Christians in the West Bank.

    AT NO STAGE was it even explored as to the real reasons why Christians are declining in non Israeli controlled areas.

    I post this because i am angry. I post this because i want to stand up and be counted.

    I post this with my name in full view.

    To think that the BBC could broadcast such utter fucking shit is unreal.. i am NOT part of this crap.

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  36. Martin says:

    What a shock. Michael Prick reminding us of Tory sleaze.

    Like the BBC haven’t reminded us of that in what at least 24 hours.

    Funny that the BBC have igonred the expenses of McTwat and Michael Moron the gobby jock twat.

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  37. Anonymous says:

    Monthly Jihad Report
    April 2009
    Jihad Attacks: 158
    Countries: 15
    Religions: 5
    Dead Bodies:715
    Critically Injured:1134
    Figures via The Religion of Peace.com

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  38. deegee says:

    Interesting choice of illustrative photograph in the BBC piece MPs ‘claimed for swimming pools’The caption: MPs can claim £24,000 a year to cover costs linked to their second homesThe picture: The Houses of Parliament foregrounded by the Thames!

    I suppose for some people Parliament is their second home but the maintenance costs on the river must come steep.

    Still as Stewart Jackson MP claimed, “The pool came with the house and I needed to know how to run it”.

    The editors chose a snide, HAVE YOUR SAY by Michael, London in the pot calling the kettle black class to link to this article.

    “They chose their ‘job’ and no one is forcing them to do it. Pay them a wage and that’s it. That’s how the rest of us work”.

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  39. Abandon Ship! says:

    Is it just me or are the BBC spending a little more time and energy on Conservative snouts in the trough than Labour ones?

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  40. Llew says:

    “Abandon Ship! said…

    Is it just me or are the BBC spending a little more time and energy on Conservative snouts in the trough than Labour ones?”

    I did notice yesterday the BBC put a lot of effort into reporting one Tory’s house/flat to House of Commons travel distance in a sort of jokey Benny Hill way involving a reporter and some speeded up film footage. A sort of dumbed-down message so that even the thickest of the think floating voter understood that Tory expense claims were really really bad. I didn’t notice the Beeb doing a similar “watchdog” style of reporting when mentioning Labour’s house swapping tricks.

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  41. backwoodsman says:

    Ref George R, beeboids ditch science and environment correspondants – they probably know something about the subject then !
    The beeboid ideal, as demonstrated by their farming and countryside broadcasts, is to take someone who knows stuff all about the subject and let them bring their cozy beeboid thnking to the subject – eg entertaining the man from the rspb (the people who brought you the Langhome moor disaster area), claiming that magpies are really cuddly and shouldn’t be culled and their living off songbird chicks doesn’t harm the song birds.

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  42. Grant says:

    I notice on this thread we have one “anonymous” posting to another “anonymous”. Or maybe it is the same person talking to himself. How daft can you get ?

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  43. George R says:

    BBC’s Mark Mardell (soon to be BBC’s North America Editor) makes clear his (and the political left’s) taste in politics:

    BBC ‘Mark Mardell’s Euroblog’-

    ‘French rebel with a cause’ (12 May).

    [Extract]:

    “The young man dressed simply but smartly in a black shirt and jeans clutches a large microphone in one hand, while the other cuts the air, soars, jabs.

    “The impish grin has gone and he radiates passion and an air of seriousness – for all the world like the one member of a boy band who has the talent to go solo and live on beyond his good looks. (I owe my colleague John Lichfield, The Independent’s superb Paris correspondent, for sparking the comparison.) Olivier Besancenot is the Robbie Williams of French Communism.

    “‘Don’t let them tell us that we are after utopia.

    “‘It is’ – and he spreads out the word to make a point about the economic crisis – ‘a pol-i-ti-cal choice: when there is a natural disaster, an earthquake or a war, the state declares a state of emergency. For us the social consequence of capitalism is a natural disaster’.”

    Mardell should be quite at home in the USA, joining in the left media’s deification of Obama.

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  44. Anonymous says:

    Not BBC-related but check out this multi-cultural propaganda from the Department for Schools:

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  45. David Preiser says:

    The BBC has a little report on the humor at the recent White House Correspondent’s Dinner. It’s all supposed to be in good fun, with people mocking the President, and the President gets his turn to tell a few jokes.

    The BBC happily shows The Obamessiah’s comedy routine. But they forgot to tell you about a little controversy:

    Not funny: Barack Obama laughs at Wantda Sykes “joke” about wanting Rush Limbaugh deadSykes made some crass remarks – which were considered beyond the pale back when Conservative harpy Ann Coulter was saying similar things about liberals – and there’s been a fuss about it over here. As one can see from the video (in the Telegraph piece), the President laughed right along, and the audience squealed with delight.

    There have since been apologies, and the White House spokesman had to disavow the jokes, even though the President laughed at the time.

    But that’s the thing: this makes the Left – and especially the BBC’s beloved Obamessiah – look bad. Can’t have that, can we? So they hide yet another story for purely partisan reasons.

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  46. DB says:

    JohnA said…
    DB

    That is an excellent post at Justin Webb’s blog. He now stands condemned out of his own mouth.

    9:18 PMPredictably: “referred to the moderators“.

    And I didn’t even mention “fellatio”.

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  47. max says:

    DB,
    I’ve read your comment while it was still there. Very good indeed.
    Guess it was too embarrassing for the twat to let it stand.

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  48. DB says:

    Check out Katty Kay at a media seminar a couple of weeks ago:

    “There was definitely a sense that the European media was in the tank for Obama, and it was very hard to try to push our editors to make as much as they needed to do of the coverage of the Republican Party and John McCain.”.

    So, we’ve got a BBC journalist admitting that her editors weren’t interested in McCain’s campaign, and a BBC North America admitting he was “very rude” about Sarah Palin because, in his opinion, she was “hopeless”.

    And yet the BBC claims its presidential election coverage wasn’t biased.

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