123 Responses to OPEN THREAD

  1. George R says:

    BBC report ('UK' page):

    "Thousands attend Armed Forces Day"

    -including Gordon Brown; let's hope he provides enough funds to support the Armed Forces.

    'Mail':

    "A sick joke: Government has sent troops to die yet starved them of money but today is Britain's first Armed Forces Day"

    By Max Hastings (27 June):

    [Opening extract}:

    "At Chatham Historic Dockyard today, a party of VIPs, headed by the Prime Minister and Duke of Gloucester representing the Royal Family, will gather for a parade and fly-past to mark Britain's first Armed Forces Day.

    "Other towns around the country are likewise staging events, designed to enable the public to show its appreciation of the contribution made by servicemen and women, above all fighting the war in Afghanistan.

    "This new occasion has been created on the recommendation of a government committee, which reported in May 2008 on ways to raise the forces' profile.

    "Yet many soldiers, sailors and airmen regard Armed Forces Day with unbridled cynicism."

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  2. DB says:

    Craig @ 10:09 AM, June 27, 2009

    Like it Craig. Needs more climate change, though.

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  3. Roger C says:

    Spotted any tories on Marr this morning? Normal BBC bias for all to see……….

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  4. Llew says:

    Andrew Marr… No Tories at all. Ed Balls lying. Uncle Vince lying.

    Just Marr being gentle and allowing 20 minutes of free Labour propaganda.

    It's about time the beeb just stopped doing news & current affairs because what they do now is ludicrously unbalanced.

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  5. Craig says:

    My thoughts go out to Not a Sheep's TV. It must have suffered a lot this morning – if its owner has been watching Marr & Balls & Vince. I threatened mine with a sledgehammer, I was getting so mad.

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  6. Craig says:

    Llew,

    I'm beginning to realise that if Marr has a big interview with one of his Labour pals, he interrupts quite a lot for the first few minutes, then stops interrupting during the second half of the interview. That way he gives the illusion of impartiality in the first half of the interview, before allowing his friend free rein for Labour propaganda in the second – hoping that we won't notice.

    We notice.

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  7. Llew says:

    Craig,

    You're right – for a moment I did think he was really going to lay into Balls but then it quickly turned to syrup.

    Perhaps Marr (and the BBC) have noticed your accurate Bias coefficient data and have now taken steps to distort your figures? Get loads of interruptions into the first minute then leave the remaining 19 minutes for the real task in hand – pushing the Labour propaganda.

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  8. Craig says:

    Llew,

    You could be onto something!

    The Bias coefficient for the whole interview still stands at a rather low 2.1 though – so they're going to have to try harder to catch us out!!

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  9. Craig says:

    For Grant, Marian and all our Scots posters, Glenn Campbell on the 'Politics Show: Scotland' chaired a discussion between Lord Jim Wallace of the Lib Dems, Lord George Foulkes of the Labour Party,
    Jim Sillars of the SNP and David Mundell of the Conservatives.

    The Bias coefficients are revealing (and consistent as far as Mr Campbell is concerned). Remember, the higher the figure, the more higher the likelihood of bias:

    Wallace (LD): 1.6

    Foulkes (Lab): 1.9

    Sillars (SNP): 2.5

    Mundell (Con): 5.8

    The Lib Dem was never interrupted. The Labour and SNP spokesmen were interrupted twice. The Tory was interrupted seven times.

    Bias? Oh yes.

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  10. Craig says:

    Heart-warming end to the 'Politics Show'?
    A very posh Commie, who was in Cuba in 1960 with a Student Work Brigade (and is now a member of the Cuba Solidarity Campaign), snapped much-loved psycho – and BBC favourite – Che Guevara.
    The Beeb's Giles Dilnot introduced her to Guevara's daughter & the Commie lady handed over her rare colour photos (showing Guevara looking like the brute he was). Both were moved.
    I can't wait for next week & newly discovered photos of a fresh-faced Pol Pot or Kim Il Sung being shown to their loving sons.
    I will have my hanky at the ready.

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  11. Oscar Miller says:

    Excellent spoof Craig. Reckon toady should get you in to edit the programme.

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  12. Anonymous says:

    I have said this before, and will say it again, in the sure and safe knowledge that neither the owners nor contributors of this site will either like it, or do it.

    TOTALLY and COMPLETELY BOYCOTT The BBC. That is if you can't be bothered to get off your lazy fat middle-class back-sides and organize a large peaceful protest march.

    Because doing so will at least free your own minds, and bring down your blood pressures, if it achieves nothing else.

    If matters not whether one agrees with the BBC or not. Simply by watching the BBC, SKY, or indeed reading news-papers you are handing over control of your mind to a third party. Which is dangerous whatever the message happens to be.

    Far better to simply turn off from the world in general and concentrate on your own family, job and local surroundings.

    Can you all just imagine how much more wonderful and SAFE the world would seem to you, if you had never watched TV or read a News-paper in your entire life????

    No, I thought not. Which is why you much take my heart felt good advice ASAP, while you still have a free mind worth the having.

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  13. BaggieJonathan says:

    "Anonymous said…
    BaggieJonathan said…
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8118328.stm
    Is there any doubt he was killed, no there is not.

    It would appear you didn't read beyond the headline.
    Al-Qaeda's North Africa branch has CLAIMED responsibility for the killing …Al-Jazeera said it could not verify the authenticity of the message.
    Reading not your strong point?
    6:03 AM, June 26, 2009"

    "anonymous" – knowing your own name not your strong point?

    'Killed'

    He was shot.

    Dead.

    Therefore he was killed, not 'killed'.

    If you are disputing the veracity of the claim perhaps a headline like 'al Qaeda claims it killed US man' would have sufficed.

    However you cannot quote the word 'killed' in quotes on its own because no one is doubting he was killed, even if there is some small doubt as to who perpetrated the killing.

    English skills not your forte, are you BBC? So busy being a smart ass you dont realise you are being a dumb ass.

    English language not your strong point?

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  14. Anonymous says:

    Disgracefully biased effort from Nick Robinson on Radio 4 1.30pm 28th June about MPs expenses.

    Made it sound that Cameron's second home claim was the main issue – not a word about crooked second home claims from London MPs like Jon Cruddas and Harry Cohen.

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  15. George R says:

    BBC:

    "Brown to unveil policy 'vision.'"

    ('News Front Page'.)

    Why doesn't Brown hire the BBC's "director: vision"?:

    Rod Liddle:

    [Extract]-

    "Why, for example, does the corporation need a 'director: vision' on a salary of £400,000 per year, or thereabouts? Shouldn’t the director-general have written into his contract that he ought to have a sort of vision for the BBC and that he should, at some point, attempt to put that vision into practice? If not, what does his job entail? You might argue that this is particularly the case when, over the last few years, the BBC has shown all the vision which you might expect from a blind man kept in a blacked-out basement with a sack over his head." ('Sunday Times' 28/6/09.)

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  16. It's all too much says:

    The most disgraceful biased partisan 'blog' yet from toenails. Cameron fears that if the tories win there win be riots in the street…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/

    "An inadvertent glimpse this morning of what David Cameron fears and is preparing for.

    David Cameron His own words at his news conference: "riots on the streets".

    This is what he said would follow if the next government made public spending cuts having failed to prepare the public for them."

    EVEN the Guardian reported this as

    "Brown claims black is white says Cameron…"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/29/cameron-personal-attack-brown

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  17. Ron Todd says:

    I am a bit ignorant about the technical and artistic side of television so I might be being a bit over-sensitive here.

    Watching the BBC 6 O'clock news I thought the graphics for the story on labours re-launch looked a bit like a party political broadcast rather than something produced at short notice to accompany a breaking story.

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  18. Anonymous says:

    The most disgraceful biased partisan 'blog' yet from toenails.

    Yes, it is most surly among the most disgracefully biased and partisan blog from Toenails so far.

    However

    Are we not expecting riots in the street when Cameron does in reality win the next election as he is planned to do?

    Because I can assure you that the establishment has been planning for said riots since before 1997. 1986 to be more precise.

    Please be reminded that our establishment plan for just about every eventuality imaginable. They do this using organizations such as The MOD and The Royal Institute for International Affairs. Reports from these bodies are sometimes published in MS news-papers, such as the Guardian and Times.

    These so called predictions are very much easier to make, because it is the establishment themselves that conspire over the medium and long term to make most of them happen in the first place. Which is why they are horrifically accurate almost all of the time.

    It is from these reported or otherwise studies that our main stream parties formulate their own respective policies.

    Therefore things such as ID cards, and The civil contingencies act are forced on to the governing party. In turn therefore on the unsuspecting, and forever victimized public.

    When a politician is said to display the qualities of VISION, what is really meant is that they have read and acted on the relevant MOD or RIIA reports.

    The BBC is a vital part of this set-up, the respective members of the established political parties, have very little to do with anything important, especially general or detailed policy. the only thing they really decide on, is the level of their own expenses (bribes), working hours, and pension rights.

    In short we are where we are, and we are going very much where we are undoubtedly going ( which is the fires of hell in a hand cart ) very much because our own establishment made plans for it all to happen, as many as 30-40 years before time.

    However please don't take my word for it, research the published documentation yourself. It is all there in black and white, and some of it in red and green ink as well. You can rest completely assured that the BBC have read all of them. They even have a whole department dedicated to doing nothing but.

    Atlas shrugged

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  19. David Preiser (USA) says:

    It's all too much, RE: Robinson's drivel,

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

    Nick Robinson is too close to the pols he covers. He's not a Labour at All Costs guy, or a Friend of Gordon by any means, but he sympathizes with all of them. He's been trying to tell everyone for weeks now about how much the pols are sad that people loathe them now. He keeps trying to say it's unfair, it's all the parties, most of them kept their noses clean, etc.

    It's almost as if he's pleading for his audience to consider "the humanity of MPs", much as Lyse Douchet spoke of "the humanity of the Taliban".

    He refuses to acknowledge that without the Telegraph, the public would never have known about any of this. He knew, his buddies knew, but they kept shtum.

    Robinson is compromised, and has no business being the political editor for a state broadcaster, with rules about impartiality.

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  20. George R says:

    Labour steals BNP clothes, BBC?:

    BBC report:

    "Housing tops Brown's policy plans"

    [Extract]:

    "It is seen as a response to the growth in a few traditional Labour areas of BNP support but is likely to prove controversial. "

    'Daily Mail':

    "Tinkering won't fix the broken social housing system"

    [Extract]:

    "The latest announcement represents a thinly disguised attempt to be 'doing something' about the shift in support among white voters on Council estates from Labour to the British National Party.

    "Certainly the current housing allocation system has promoted resentment. Decent people have held their noses and voted for the BNP."

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  21. George R says:

    BBC 2 'Newsnight' ie due to analyse 2008 MUMBAI Islamic jihad murders TONIGHT; how will it compare with:

    "Mumbai Jihad Madness" (by Jerry Gordon), 'New English Review' Dec. 2008?

    BBC reporter provides his summary here:

    'Telegraph' –

    "Mumbai: What really happened "

    [Extract]:

    "An accurate picture of the terrosist attacks in Mumbai could prevent al-Qaeda carring out similar atrocities here, says BBC Newsnight correspondent Richard Watson."

    ('Newsnight' 10:30 pm TONIGHT.)

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  22. deegee says:

    Obama worship or just plain misleading?

    In pictures: East Africa's History
    Obama ancestors in East African images spanning a century.

    In practise:
    Six pictures. One and only one has this caption: The university researched the lineage of US President Barack Obama, finding images of Kavirondo warriors in western Kenya, from whom his father is said to have descended. The other five are of different countries.

    It is as if, finding that both my grandfathers fought in the German/Austro-Hungarian army in WWI although on different fronts, the BBC had found a picture of Central powers soldiers and claimed one of them might have been an ancestor of mine.

    Indeed he might although the odds are about 10 million to two against.

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  23. deegee says:

    Obama worship or just plain misleading?

    In pictures: East Africa's History
    Obama ancestors in East African images spanning a century.

    In practise:
    Six pictures. One and only one has this caption: The university researched the lineage of US President Barack Obama, finding images of Kavirondo warriors in western Kenya, from whom his father is said to have descended. The other five are of different countries.

    It is as if, finding that both my grandfathers fought in the German/Austro-Hungarian army in WWI although on different fronts, the BBC had found a picture of Central powers soldiers and claimed one of them might have been an ancestor of mine.

    Indeed he might although the odds are about 10 million to two against.

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