The admiration is all too evident in the tone as the BBC breathlessly reveals that “Minister Hiliary (sic) Benn fights to keep hunting ban” Class warrior Hillary Benn is obviously in synch with BBC sensitivities on this issue hence his presentation as the scourge of the bloodthirsty hunting toffs.
BENN FIGHTS FOR INTOLERANCE…
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Hmm. Why is it that Benn is more concerned with the safety of Foxes than of the British people? Why not ban Islam? That kills more people than a few dogs kill foxes.
Oh and Cameron is offering a free vote, oh dear we can’t have democracy running the Parliment can we?
None the less the Cocaine taking scum at the BBC will be backing Liebour.
The BBC and Labour are blatantly anti-countryside and during Labour’s term have done everything they can to destroy it. The old lie about it is only toffs who hunt is nonsense and shows Labour and their BBC chums to be the bunch of Trots they are; most people who hunt are ordinary working people. Hunting supports many rural jobs, not that there are many left. Thousands of farmers have gone bankrupt and rural pubs and businesses closed. If, like me you have lost livestock to foxes you’ll know why we should hunt them.
Right. I live in the country. Last time I witnessed a hunt (and they’re frequent; they do it despite the ban and nobody – including the police – give a rat’s ass), I didn’t see any ‘Toffs’. All I saw were regular people doing what they and their ancestors have done for centuries, angry that a bunch of handwringing, bedwetting, Guardian-reading assholes are discriminating against them based on a lack of critical thinking.
It doesn’t surprise me that Benn is vigourously defending this piece of anti-democratic legislation. It seems that for Labour apparatchiks, unpopularity is the new black.
depends on your idea of regular people – I too live in the country and have never seen what I regard as a regular common person on a horse in colours, they may like the hunts, and follow them unmounted, but in my experience they don’t do any of the pomp or etiquette, the middle classes yes, so not aristocrats – but the riders invariably speak the queens and have a large house – to some that’s a regular person, it’s all perception – but it’s still definitely a class issue in most cases
not that I’m hugely fussed about fox hunting – but what’s undemocratic about it? – they even had a free vote
How desperate has newlbour become, so desperate to distract people from the gigantic problems we are facing that they choose drag up the hunting with hounds issue in the hope of peddling their class war narrative, the rich irony of having millionaire silver spoon keep it in the family nothing but the best elites lecturing us on toffs, these parasites have chutzpa thats for sure. Hilarious Benn lives a life of luxury wanting for nothing attending the finest schools and always presented with all the insider connections he could want, this shitty hypocrite has as much in common with ordinary people as Zac Goldsmith!
Yes Cassandra, how desperate Labour are. Unlike the people’s champion Cameron who is planning on wasting more Parliamentary time by having yet another vote on the ban. So who is it who is dragging this issue up yet again?
I haven’t found a single mention of class war, toffs or anything of that nature in either the BBC’s article or the Support the Ban website.
“wasting time”???
So you think that having a proper debate is “wasting time”? After all it was throughly debated by parliament last time wasn’t it.?
“”A Bill to ban fox-hunting will be rushed through all its Commons stages in just one day, next Wednesday, Leader of the House Peter Hain announced today.
The Bill will then go to the Lords, where, if peers try to block the measure, the Government has threatened to use the Parliament Act to force it through.”
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-13063135-hunting-bill-to-be-rushed-through.do
This should be a non issue. Cameron would be wise to keep it off the agenda and avoid falling for Labour’s class war nonsense. Difficult with the BBC raising it at every opportunity.
That we are discussing foxhunting as the nation’s wealth is being stolen to support zombie banks and profligate governments is indicitative of the unreality that masquerades as public life.
AS for Benn he is the very worst type of elitist, Never had a job. Never has an original thought. A parasite amongst parasites whose every utterance betrays his ignorance of and contempt for the customs and traditions of the country. He is one of the few people I would deprive of his citizenship and send into exile
Hunting should stay banned
We should be concentrating on what an utter failure benn has been in his role at the equally useless defra – the whole debacle of the rural payments agency EU fines, costing the country £100’s of millions , and all that worthless hoon benn cares about is a failed hunting ban !
Get used to the idea that foxes are always going to be controlled, particularly now you all want free range chicken and pork and the money to empty your bins on a weekly basis, has been spent on diversity co-ordinators. Then its just a question of types of control . a) shotgun – lots of foxes the hounds catch have pellet wounds in them. b) rifle , lot more difficult than it sounds , still a risk of wounding & plod not very keen on some of the chancers who fancy getting tooled up and letting rip. c) hounds , fox either gets killed immediately hounds catch it, or escapes entirely. Stops too many foxes building up in any one area.
In practice , the combination of methods works, but the main thing to remember is, we just want you ****ers who know nothing about the countryside to butt out.
As Backwoodsman implies, this is a vermin control problem. Even Labour’s hand-picked Burns enquiry couldn’t conclude that hunting was any more cruel a way of controlling vermin than any other. Labour objects to the idea that some people (who are not “their” people) might enjoy themselves while putting down a pest.
BTW a free vote in Parliament will not result in the repeal of the anti-hunting legislation any more than getting rid of Speaker Martin meant that the Commons would (on a free vote) avoid getting another piece of excreta like Martin’s successor. Whatever happens in the general election, there’ll be sufficient votes on the Conservative and LibDem benches against repeal to join the solid Labour vote and stop repeal in its tracks. It’s a free “democratic” card for Cameron: he’s making all the right noises for the countryside vote knowing that, in the end, he won’t have to do anything. In the same way he could offer a free vote on capital punishment or an EU “in or out” referendum knowing that our “representatives” would vote both down.
It is a vermin control issue, but to be pedantic, most urbanites think foxes are cute. Better to drop it and let the fox population increase to the degree they start killing cats. Then it’ll be an issue.
FYI I live on a street where we have around 300 wild rabbits who come into our gardens every night, and they attrack about 4 foxes. I live right on the edge of a small town, when those foxes take down a cat or two I am guessing my neighbours will be furious.
“It is a vermin control issue.”
Except it isn’t. Before the ban, fox hunting accounted for 5% of fox deaths. A lot of these were the old, sick and cubs which have a high mortality rate anyway. Cars killed 4 times as many foxes as hunting.
“Better to drop it and let the fox population increase to the degree they start killing cats.”
Except it isn’t increasing. Even the countryside alliance accepts that fox numbers have actually fallen since the ban. Urban fox numbers may be increasing but that is a separate issue which won’t get fixed by hunting.
77% of the population support the ban and it’s not going anywhere. Cameron should drop this non-issue.
Ban the cars! Ban the cars! Let’s have a march. I am sure 77% will support it. I mean,,,killing those poor foxes. What cruelty. Thug cars! Ban ’em, I say! >:o
I find it worrying that a human being should derive pleasure from killing another creature. Just for fun. I often wonder how their mental processes work.
Do they get a little thrill watching an animal being killed for their entertainment? Does it make up for their inability to express themselves in any other way? For some men particularly one wonders if it is some kind of displacement activity for their sexual inadequacy.
Whatever the underlying psychological pathology one might have thought human beings would have moved on a little in sophistication by the 21st century. That causing pain and death in animals for their own exaltation would have slipped into the history books. But alas no. the excuses become more inventive. Vermin control? (Define vermin) ancient customs? (So was bear bating and cock fighting) employment? (Blood money) but the end result is still the same:
“I enjoy killing animals for fun”.
Which implies that those that need to kill for pleasure are quite primitive in their basic psychology and lack the ability to empathise with other sentient creatures. They would certainly seem to need to learn to control their instinct to kill and leave their primitive and baser instincts behind
My mother would take great pleasure in killing foxes if only she could manage to catch any. That’s because she empathises with sentient creatures, namely, her lovely chickens.