I’ve already discussed this over on A Tangled Web but I wanted to focus on the BBC coverage with you. One could have anticipated the GLEE with which the BBC would exhibit on the news that the UK Government is to make payments “in the millions” to captured Jihadists held at Gitmo but now back in Blighty. However I feel that the entire coverage of this today is outrageously one-sided with no one being allowed to argue that these people should NOT be getting any cash and that some of them should not even be in this country. At play today is the explicit BBC meme that these guys are all innocent, that the US (Bush) is to be blame for daring to lock them up, and that we should all hang our heads in shame because we dare to imprison these cor blimey Brits doing the Jihad ordinary Brits just won’t do. What a sickening dhimmified media.
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Wall. Wite hoods. Red target over the heart. Firing squad.
BANG!!! End of. Only way. Human rights? ARSE!!
David Dimbleby, one of the al-beeb’s Prime-timers, one of its Seven-Figure-Men, on Saturday Any Answers came out with…
“Is it sinful to be unemployed, as Iain Duncan-Smith implied on the Today Programme?”
Double D no doubt felt that ‘implied’ was his get-out-of-jail-free card. Unfortunately no because two minutes later he was shuddering into reverse gear.
‘What he seemed to be saying was…I think there was a context. When you alight on one word of course, it can seem different from what was intended, but reading the whole paragraph, the whole thought, it seems to be that what he said was sinful and tragic that when 4 million jobs were created in this country during the Labour government so many of this jobs were taken by people from outside this country, because those inside the country were unable for whatever reason…maybe some of them unwilling to take those jobs, and that’s what he thought…I think… how can I speak for him? I can’t possibly… that’s a sin I imagine he said that’s really awful how tragic that’s the case.”
Well, yeah, next time Mr Brilliant Journalist, Mr High Quality Broadcaster do read the whole paragraph.
Oh to have been a fly in his headphones in that two minutes when Mark Thompson was screaming down the line at him.
We may not be able to use the BBC’s airwaves to question or criticise the decision. But for now we still have ‘free’ air on which to carry our thoughts and views – such as this:
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/jackpot/
The BBC will run its heavily selective narrative. We can run ours.
DV
It’s worse than that. The BBC seeks to persuade me by constant repitition that this lot are all “Britons”. AFAIAA only two were actually born here although, in and of itself, that does not give you British nationality. Also, it is probable that they acted against this country or its interests before they were taken to Gitmo. Accordingly, they are arguably prima facie guilty of treason. If so, I suspect they are more culpable than, for instance, William Joyce – Lord Haw Haw – who was brought to trial and hanged for treason on the dubious technicality that although he had a US (?) passport he was deemed to be capable of treason by virtue of having claimed at some time the “protection of His Majesty”. Torturing Joyce would not have made him any less or more guity of treason. So, by all means, give these shysters (and their lawyers?) their blood money but put them on trial too – the cash can pay for their defence.
I learn from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce#Capture_and_trial that Joyce, although of US nationality actually held a British passport which he’d lied to obtain. Accordingly, although he had no right to hold the passport, by virtue of having it he was capable of being tried for treason against the King. My point though still stands: the shysters are probably prima facie guilty of treason – try them.
Appropriate comment from ‘Jihadwatch’ on that INBBC report:
“They claim they were tortured, and the British government is going to pay them off rather than reveal intelligence secrets. More courtroom jihad”
“Binyam Mohamed: The false martyr”
Extract:
“So, who is Binyam Mohamed? And why did the Bush administration have him detained? Answering these questions is at least as important as investigating Mohamed’s treatment. Yet, the basics of his story have been obscured by the controversy. While Mohamed’s allegations of abuse are repeated verbatim by a willing press, the US government’s allegations and evidence against Mohamed are often ignored or downplayed.
“Some press reports have repeated the claim that Mohamed went to Afghanistan before the September 11 attacks for the purpose of kicking his drug habit. This is a flimsy alibi, to say the least. Why would anyone go to the heroin capital of the world to get away from drugs? In fact, there is no doubt that Mohamed traveled to Afghanistan in June 2001 to receive training in an al Qaeda camp. Mohamed admitted this to the personal representative assigned to handle his case at Guantánamo. Mohamed did not testify at his hearing at Guantánamo, but his personal representative submitted a memo on his behalf. The memo indicates that Mohamed “admitted items 3A1-4 on the UNCLASS summary of evidence.” That is a reference to the unclassified summary-of-evidence memo that was prepared by the US government for Mohamed’s case.
“The items Mohamed admitted include the following:
1. The detainee is an Ethiopian who lived in the United States from 1992 to 1994, and in London, United Kingdom, until he departed for Pakistan in 2001.
2. The detainee arrived in Islamabad, Pakistan, in June 2001, and traveled to the al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan, to receive paramilitary training.
3. At the al Farouq camp, the detainee received 40 days of training in light arms handling, explosives, and principles of topography.
4. The detainee was taught to falsify documents, and received instruction from a senior al Qaeda operative on how to encode telephone numbers before passing them to another individual.
“At a minimum, therefore, we know that Mohamed has admitted being an al Qaeda-trained operative.”
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/02/binyam_mohamed_the_f.php#ixzz15RmiBnbV
And this b*****d claims he has “human rights”, no he forfeited those the moment he entered Pakistan. Wall, Guns, Squad……Fire!
That the spineless government should collapse and pay this bunch of mostly illegals and non British obscene amounts of money for mostly if not all false allegations whilst pursuing their pro terror course against this country makes me sick to my stomach.
The bBC reporting of it is even worse! A pro terror anti British agenda of vomitable proportions.
Take a look at this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11762636
“British citizens or residents” – the “residents should all bekicked out of the UK forthwith, but the current cowards in office just like the previous cowards in office wont do it.
We have to put up with cuts to essential services like police, prisons, courts and the military, but give these vile excuses for human beings millions of pounds as though they were bankers on bonuses.
I am outraged.
Even the odious Chakrabarti admits its “not very palatable”, though where she gets the idea that these people like Binyam Mohammed should have protection from their country means the UK when this country is not his country I do not know.
This current government has in effect admitted that that the security forces were lying and they were complicit in torture, despite that being a despicable lie. They show no regard to the fact that this will now be used as an excuse for Islamists round the globe to attack our forces and citizens (I mean real citizens). It will cost lives. They have shown no realisation that defence and law and order are the first priorities of any government and they should hang their heads in shame.
I am beyond angry at this, I am incandescent with rage.
Cameron has done the right thing. This was yet another turd laid by Bliar and one eye.
MI5/6 were tied up with all the paperwork for this, the media feeding frenzy the tens of millions it would cost us for the spiv lawyers (look at the cost of the Bloody Sunday trials) and their lackies.
I’m angry giving these scumbags the money, but people should remember who is to blame, it’s Nu Liebour for letting these wankers come here in the first place or not dealing with them on the battlefield.
INBBC has had Ethiopian Binyam Mohamed as its Islamic poster boy for some years.
But, of course, INBBC has no interest whatsoever in the freedom of speech case of Austrian, Elisabeth S-W, because she criticised Islam:
Elisabeth’s Voice: An Update
We’re at war, if a court case threatens national security it is halted, period. Why the heck hasn’t Cameron invoked national security to do this? Send these scum back to Guantanamo where they belong, or better still, we should deal with them ourselves, send them to the Orkneys as the TPOW’s (Terrorist Prisoners of War) that they should be treated as.
We have gone completely insane as a nation.
Here is a good exposition as to why:-
http://davidhorowitztv.blip.tv/file/4387621/
Because politicians are trying to fight a war using the rules of Policing. This is of course bollocks, if Phil Shiner and his mates went back thruogh the Falklands war they’d be charging hundreds of soldiers for ‘war crimes’.
It’s nonsense of course, we should declare war in Islamic extremism and any of its supporters will be treated as PoW’s or spies. They should be locked up until the war with Islam is over.
I see the BBC refers to them as British residents or British citizens. Merely being in the country doesn’t make them British. It means that they reside in Britain, not that they are British residents.
This irrational connection between place of birth and nationality needs to be corrected.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
If a cat is born in shoe box, it is still a cat – not a shoe.
INBBC ‘Today’ had a usual line-up to present a ONE-SIDED version of Guantanamo suspects, without, as David V. above points out, an alternative critical narrative, or a critical voice against B.Mohamed allowed by INBBC.
INBBC reprised a 2009 obliging, friendly INBBC interview by J.Manel with Ethiopian ex-al-Qaeda trainee, B. Mohamed. Of course, the INBBC interview clip gave no indication whatsoever of what B. Mohamed had been up to in Pakistan! (See ‘Comment’ above on this thread at 12:19:18.)
Speaking with virtually one voice, INBBC lined up: S.Montague, J.Manel, B.Mohamed, S.Chakrabarti * and J.Walker.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9193000/9193229.stm
* This is the sort of organisation which S.Chakrabarti’s ‘Liberty’ outfit (National Lottery funded) supports (unremarked by INBBC):
‘CagePrisoners’ – read on for the Taliban connection:
‘Amnesty’, ‘Liberty’, ‘Justice’ and Others Form Coalition with ‘CagePrisoners‘
No, nonsense, it is not the right thing at all, whatever the previous administrations inadequacies – and it sure had plenty.
Who are getting these millions of pounds payouts? All British citizens or residents say the bBC.
OPPOSITE OF FACT ALERT!
The truth is…
Binyam Mohammed – not a UK citizen, an Ethiopian, and not resident in the UK, a known criminal with a drug addiction in the UK, he was picked up in Pakistan having travelled there on fake documentation.
Bisher Al Rawi – not a UK citizen, an illegal overstayer from Iraq, who was arrested in the Gambia, not the UK
Omar Deghayes – not a UK citizen, a Libyan citizen, and not resident in the UK, he was arrested in Pakistan
Jamil El Banna – not a UK citizen, he is Jordanian, and was arrested in the Gambia
Moazzam Begg – born in the UK, but left for overseas after his criminal history in the UK which included social security fraud and violent gang membership, not resident in the UK, admitted spending considerable time training with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and was arrested in Pakistan where he had lived for several years.
Richard Dean Belmar – originally from the UK, converted to Islam, not resident in the UK he went to Afghanistan, he was arrested in Pakistan.
Martin Mubanga – a supposed dual citizen of Zambia and the UK, he was not resident in the UK and was arrested in Zambia, his UK passport was found in an Al Qaeda hideout in Afghanistan.
Jamal Abdullah Kiyemba – a Ugandan citizen who briefly resided in the UK then promptly left having been granted indefinite leave to remain, he has been deported to Uganda since his release from Guantanamo and refused return to the UK.
Rahul Ahmed – Born in the UK, but travelled abroad, lied unahsamedly that he did not attend al Qaeda training when in fact under lie detector later admitted that he did, having frst got the bogus docudrama Road to Guantanamo out of it, now lorded as an Amnesty International. Clearly has no shame at all.
Shafiq Rasul – Same as Rahul Ahmed except he refused to take the lie detector test, he knew he had been lying and pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes.
Asif Iqbal – Like Ahmed and Rasul but didn’t even have the front to appear to defend himself. The bBC and Channel Four repeated these men’s lies and possibly cost UK soldiers their lives in the aftermath. At least Channel 4 saw they had been hoodwinked and hence did Lie Lab. No such retraction has been forthcoming from the bBC.
Rewarding these people for these actions with riches beyond most people lottery dreams is utterly unacceptable.
Stop excusing these person’s payouts as a good thing, it is not.
End of.
I have to confess, given the abject lunacy we’re living through in our country at the moment that threatens the very defence of the Realm, if I woke up tomorrow and read a story about a clandestine force knocking off these Jihadists one by one, I wouldn’t be entirely unhappy.
Of course, this could well have repercussions for British Subjects abroad – undoutbedly so in fact – so one finds oneself merely hankering for something even less likely, a political realignment in our nation to restore sanity.
Mel P, do you fancy testing the waters at the next bye-election?
The one thing no BBC broadcast will ever address is this: if nothing else, these guys believe exactly what terrorists belive, act just like terrorists do, and associated with terrorists in places run by terrorists, but they’re still just ‘terror suspects’. Meanwhile, their own, hardly disinterested, testimony is apparently enough to establish allegations of turture as rock solid fact.
If these vermin get paid, can private citizens lay charges of Treason against the Government?
Answer, stick them in an inflatable with enough petrol in the outboard to get to the shore, give them a compass and a bearing to steer and off load them somewhere in the Red sea.
Now the bBC manages to publish this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11777743
No evidence against MI5, but we pay Binyam a million plus anyway.
And no comment on it from Al-bBC.
Utterly sickening.
So the case against an MI5 officer being complicit in torture has been dropped due to insufficient evidence, but the Home Affairs correspondent Andy Tighe just said that there’s still a concern about those allegations and suggests that the MI5 guy actually knew all about the “torture” of poor innocent Binyam. Does Tighe have information he’s not revealing or any other reason besides the BBC editorial policy to act as if this was bogus and poor Binyam is an honest innocent victim of torture? He doesn’t say, but clearly has an opinion.