OPEN THREAD….


Well, we have reached mid-week, another night of feral rioting in some of our cities, and time for a new Open Thread! Enjoy…

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  1. dave s says:

    I see the BBC has ,presumably to it’s great satisfaction, uncovered “police brutality ” See Pounce’s post above.
    Do they really think we care? This country is in the grip of the worst riots in living memory and these idiots go on like this.
    They are digging themselves even further into a hole, no make that a canyon.
    People are burnt our, lost everything, terrified and the BBC is  presumably already preparing the usual rubbish words- inappropriate, disproportionate, unhelpful, racist, institutionally racist- the usual liberal left weasel words trotted out like a nursery rhyme learned by rote.
    Our world has completely changed this week. Will take time but the elite that held sway over us is history. Nobody is listening. Cameron, to his credit, realised this hence his speech today.
    A coded warning to our judges perhaps that the country expects harsh sentencing amongst other things.
    Now I never swear on here but today is different. One word describes the BBC reporters , commentators, producers news executives and the rest- Arseholes.

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    • Daniel Smith says:

      Yes the world has changed. It was refreshing that even Gura-Murti on ch 4 news just conducted a debate between Katherine Birbalsingh, Frank Field and Sheldon Thomas who all promoted a social conservative position of the family, without even the usual guardianista being present.

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  2. Reed says:

    Some light relief amongst all the nastiness. A bit of ridicule to put these greedy looters in their place.

    http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

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  3. Louis Robinson says:

    A comment from Jon Brain about the kid who was caught up in the riots. 

    “The 11-year-old is due at a youth court at the end of the month. Despite his tender age, he spent last night in a police cell. He’s been told to observe a curfew between 18:00 and 06:00 until his fate is decided.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14474393

    Ah, diddums. This means that he won’t be able to play with his friends as they burn and loot in the nights to come.

    Seriously: the phrase to note is “despite his tender years”.  It’s that sort of stuff that really irritates.

    So how about “despite his tender years he was out after hours and involved in criminal activity”. If is tender years didn’t stop him from rioting it should have no effect on his spending ONE NIGHT in a police cell. I’d love to see a picture of the ‘parents’.

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    • Reed says:

      I’d love to see a picture of the ‘parents’.

      But not while I’m eating.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Simon Israel on Channel 4 News was similarly concewrned about our vulnerable youngsters.
      One was 11-poor lamb only had a few Burberry shirts in his bag going out the window…there was no-one on the till you see!
      Thankfully Simon didn`t give his name or any proof of his identity-he`d lose his status on the estate-and it might not help his er “career prospects”.
      Change that twerps second name to Bedlam-Babylon…he`s not fit to have the one he has!
      Maybe he`s hoping to swap toothbrushes with Mardell!

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    • John Horne Tooke says:

      I’d love to see a picture of the ‘parents'” I think you mean “parent” singular.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Is that the kid who was caught stealing two Burberry shirts?  The Beeboid reporter at the courthouse mentioned a kid like that.  Went on to say that it was unfortunate for some who would now have a criminal record, possibly harming their futures. Typical twisted Beeboid priorities.

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    • Barry says:

      “I’d love to see a picture of the ‘parents’.”

      You’d have to find them first. And getting a picture of them together might be problematic.

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  4. Martin says:

    For crying out loud, who pops up on BBC news in Clapham? Keith Vaz or is that universal Keith Vaz? (well he should feel at home with the criminal fraternity).

    Rather camp looking beeboid male talks to Vaz who prattles on about getting the Policing right and how he’s going to do this and that.

    HE’S NOT IN GOVERNMENT YOU BBC MORONS HE’S GOT NO POWER TO DO JACK SHIT!!!

    Why does the BBC do this? I’ve commented before that Vaz is used by the BBC to pretend that Labour are really in power.

    Oh and have you seen the vomit inducing film or Red Ed with the ‘street cleaners’? All arranged by his minders with  plenty of ‘efniks’ in the background as the adenoid deformed faced morons gurns to the camera.

    The BBC loving every minute of it, not a mention of it being a publicity stunt.

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    • Andrew says:

      The Milliband piece was unreal.  The taxpayer has essentially funded a Labour Party election broadcast. Totally staged.  Straight to camera and clearly no interviewer, with the youf lined up in the background as backdrop.

      Shocking piece!

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  5. Martin says:

    The BBC loving Vaz, shouldn’t it be down to cameron to decide if an investigation is required and not some sleezy shit like Vaz?

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    • John Horne Tooke says:

      It is not “England” riots. It is riots in some parts of England. Funny how the BBC finally find a use for the name “England”.

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  6. Martin says:

    Radio 5 live tweet

    We estimate 150 – 200 young white men confronting police in #Eltham – similar number of police – uniform & riot police

    So why is their colour relevant then BBC when you ignore colour or ace when it’s Muslims or blacks?????

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  7. Martin says:

    Radio 5 at it again

    Police bottled by large group of white males in #Eltham in southeast London. Situation under control. NOT a riot

    Let’s see if the BBC use Muslim or black when a group of them kick off.

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    • david hanson says:

      There was an item on Channel 4 news tonight about a black man having been dragged from his car by a group af asians in Smethwick, and badly beaten. Despite having listened to the local station BBC WM all day long today I have not heard one mention of this. The studio is about four miles away from Smethwick! Bias by omission yet again.

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  8. John Anderson says:

    BBC is describing the 3 murders in Birmingham as they were “knocked down”.

    Rubbish.  They were run down.   Big difference in meaning in my book.

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    • Reed says:

      Agreed. “knocked down” suggests an accident.
      Nothing accidental here, it would seem. Manslaughter more like.

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    • Barry says:

      Yes – I heard another report which said they were “hit by a car”. 

      Sounded like they’d forgotten the Green Cross Code.

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      We are now in an era where the MSM punts out anything, immediately, news or gossip, to feed the news maw, no matter what, to serve ratings first…

       

       

      Snowmail: A correction – Apologies for the earlier Snowmail in which we wrongly said that an 11-year-old boy was one of three people who were killed last night ‘

       

      Not, I would submit, exactly a bit of misreporting that was going to ease tensions.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      And it goes without saying huge respect and condolences to the father of one of the murder victims who spoke with such enormous dignity.

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  9. Reed says:

    David Davies MP (and Special Constable) on ITV News blaming Liberty and all other similar groups who habitually whine about police heavy-handedness for making them reluctant to use necessary force in situations like this.

    Well said that man!

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  10. Jane Tracy says:

    It woulod appear that Stephanie floundering Flanders is still parading her economic fantasies at the BBC in spite of saying this on Newsnight.

    “It has been mildly nauseating the last few days the way the Chancellor has sort of crowed here about how we are a safe haven and no one is worried about our commitment to cutting the deficit.”

    So added to her economic swhich has been proved wrong time and again Stephanie Flanders is very biased.

    Oh her article concluded that low long-term interest rates are a sign of failure for George Osbourne..

    She could not be less impartial and yet she keeps her job as the BBCs economics editor for approving Labour policies even when they do not appear to have any!

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  11. John Horne Tooke says:

    I think it is time for Blair to apologise to British people for spawning the violent, uneducated morons who have been let loose on the streets.

    These “protesters” were not brought up under a Conservative government. They were dragged up by the socialist government of Bair and his half-wit chancellor Brown.

    Churchill summed up what socialism is.

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

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    • Reed says:

      It’s a great quote – got something similar on my Facebook profile:
      ‘The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries’ – Winston Churchill

      Another favourite:
      Champagne Socialists – Champagne for them, socialism for the rest of us.

      With Regard to that arsepit Blair, I wouldn’t expect too much. He’s happy to apologise for wrongdoings that he played no part in (slavery), but unwilling to admit even the slightest error in respect to policies for which he is directly responsible (Iraq, mass immigration etc).
      As for the violent, uneducated morons – I’m sure most New Labourites would argue that the problem here is that they didn’t manage to go far enough with their Socialist agenda. Needed more time, you see. Interrupted by democracy. Bloody electorate don’t know what’s good for them. Coalition undoing all our good works.
      If only they would. Where’s that Big Repeal Bill?

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  12. Martin says:

    Baroness Warsi has been dug up and made an utter fool of herself on Newsnight allowing Essler and fatty Abbott to run rings round her.

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    • Alfie Pacino says:

      I didn’t see anyone running rings round anyone else in that exchange – particularly Gavin Esler or Diane Abbot. What a farce Newsnight has become.
      Are the Chuckle brothers now running the production team?

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      • cjhartnett says:

        In case we were wondering-Dianes boy is safely out of the “troubles” in `ackney and is having his miffins toasted in a nice private school somewhere in the badlands of Godalming!
        This class warrior is therefore well placed to tell us all about the riots and her part in having absolutely nothing to do with the past fifteen years-not at all mate…
        Poor old sandbag of privilege seems to think she has anything to say-wee Gavin lets her think so at least!
        At least Lou  was funnier…oh so marginally!

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I’ve never seen an interview where she hasn’t made an idiot of herself.  Sums up all that is wrong in promoting someone merely on the basis of skin colour, religion and gender rather than ability.

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    • Reed says:

      It’s only a 50 min program – so they won’t have circumnavigated her girth that many times.

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    • Millie Tant says:

      As I see it, Diane Abbott did not run rings around her. Neither did Esssssler for that matter. Indeed Abbott was rounded upon and put on the back foot by Warsi who more than held her own.

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      • Barry says:

        Come on now, all together:

        “Oh yes she did”

        And:

        “Oh no she didn’t”

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      • Martin says:

        Warsi was hopeless.

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        • Daniel Clucas says:

          I managed to sit through the whole episode last night. I thought Warsi held her own well in the face of Abbott’s constant shouting down of her followed by Essler’s “lets go to Diane”.
          And those disgusted faces she pulls when she’s finished talking makes me want to put my foot through the TV.

          They did a little cuts=riots bit and started with a piece to camera “some people say the cuts are to blame for the trouble” then they managed to show Harman’s ridiculous accusations about cuts and Gove looking angry but not him replying, nice editing. They then went on to show a Yougov poll which showed only 8%! think cuts are behind this. How out of touch with public opinion can they get as they are clearly pushing this line. 
          Even only 16% of Labour voters think this way ffs!

          Also is it now customary to have an ex-gang member on every night? At least they didn’t have an efnik rapper on again.

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          • Millie Tant says:

            Yes, remember the night they managed to find an Iranian rapper  to give us the benefit of his wisdom?  Is Iranian the new black? I mean they then latched on to Batmanwhatshername as well, who is Iranian, I think. 

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  13. Martin says:

    Jesus did you see that Zoe Williams on Newsnight? typical Guardian tosspot, public school educated wine bar leftie talking utter bollocks.

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  14. Llew says:

    BBC Breakfast heartbroken this morning as News International results rather good, not the melt down the BBC were hoping (campaigning) for. But they have found a news story about horrid booget cutz affecting rural bus services in Cambridgeshire (poor, elderly and vulnerable) so business as usual.

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    • Billy-no-mates says:

      Yes, they are talkning about UFO’s on Today. Something strange going on … Last night’s riot coverage was very muted no live coverage of even the small amount of events going on. Of course it could be they they figured out it was they that was causing the riots – forget about expensive Blackberrys if you want to know where to congregate and where the action is just turn on the BBC

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  15. My Site (click to edit) says:

    ‘http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8694165/UK-riots-BBC-presenters-told-to-call-riots-English.html’

    Maybe pieces will get flagged with A St. George’s cross?

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    • Reed says:

      The ONLY time you will hear the word England on the BBC in when used in a negative context. English racists, English Nationalism, now English riots.
      What I really hate : Scottish and Welsh Nationalism is great – just healthy patriotism to be applauded. English Nationalism is automatically ‘ugly’ Nationalism – and of course entirely driven by racism. Bollox.

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    • Margo Ryor says:

      It may interest you to know that this link no longer works. Seems they lost the article somewhere in cyberspace.

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  16. London Calling says:

    Whilst this thread has probably run its course, this take from the excellent Daily Mash on where next?:

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/middle-class-to-take-looting-lessons-201108084167/

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Thank You Mr Calling!
      THis makes a worthy module to add to the options available for those vulnerable young people no longer in full-time education!
      Can add to my “Bunking Studies”…if you`re going to bunk school-for Gods sake DO IT PROPERLY!
      And of coure my MPs Accountancy and Expenses course…sadly as yet ,no takers!

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  17. cjhartnett says:

    Let`s see the fearless Bob Crow set about getting those Oystercards back from the thugs that seemed to use Livingstons lanyards to go from borough to borough doing their evil.
    Surely Bob defends “working class people” and him and his RMT posse” could show us how exactly they do this!
    Surely too Ken had been taking these passports to perdition back off the “schoolchildren” that they were given freely to-once they had finished with full time education of course(usually aged 9 I`m sayin` bro!).
    That`s TWO accessories to treason to be bagged-they`ll be lolling around the BBC somewhere so a citizens arrest perhaps?…where`s Tatchell?

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  18. George R says:

    Islam Not BBC (INBBC) and reporting re-Muslims.

    When Muslims are perpetrators of Islamic jihad violence, etc., INBBC censors the ‘M’ word; when  Muslims are victims (as tragically in Birmingham murders), INBBC is quick to include the ‘M’ word.

    And, of course, currently, INBBC censors this out:

    In online forums, Muslims urge U.K. rioters to topple government

    “Jihadists employ a variety of means of warfare to create a vacuum of stability and security for which they will claim Sharia is the only solution, because it is the only one they will allow. In this case, anarchy is already present, and they are encouraging its growth because they see in it an opportunity to peddle their wares.”

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  19. Martin says:

    Why doesn’t anyone from the Tory party ever highlight the double standards of the likes of Harman and fatty Abbott over their kids?

    No way will Harmans brats or Abbotts be exposed to the crap third rate education system they have inflicted on the people of London, because of course THEY use the private sector or Grammar schools.

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  20. Martin says:

    Also John ‘sober for once’ Sopel is filling in for Dame Nikki this week on 5 lite. Needless to say he gave the small boy Ed Balls is married to an easy ride when she kept spouting on about Tory cuts yet gave Clegg a right going over interrupting Clegg as often as he could.

    The small boy kept going on about 16,000 Police on the streets of London, does she really think we can afford that? How come Labour never ensured 16,000 police on the streets of London?

    Is that a commitment from the small child? Why didn’t sober ask her that?

    Of course he didn’t want to pin her down on that point, just allow her to spout the same crap we keep getting of her and that other idiot Harman.

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  21. Andrew says:

    Loved the irony in that Poundland photo: Back to school posters. I wonder how many of them went in the first place?

    On a more serious note, I always question this chucking money at problems approach.  The guardian did a map recently in which they mapped the riots to deprivation areas.

    Funny how nobody ever comes up with such maps that take this infomration and overlay it with the how much money has been chucked into the same area with taxpayer funded initiatives and charitable foundations.

    Might it have something to do with the idea that they’ve probably had a disprortionate amount with no real impact?

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  22. pounce_uk says:

    So there I was pressing my kit this morning and instead of the radio I actually turned the TV on. bBC news no less and they were discussing the riots. So who do they bring out, why Zoe Williams from the Guardian and she opines that all of this is down to poverty.  
     
    It appears that her article on CIF where she says the same thing is doing the rounds in liberal and ethical latte drinking circles as the de facto document on the reasons behind these riots.
     
    The bBC male presenter came out with ,”But what about Grammar school girl” referring to the silly little bitch (fathers a millionaire) who decided to go shopping without any money and Williams replied:  
    “She just got carried away with the moment” 

    Which kind of explains why £5000 pounds worth of electrical goods were found in her car when the old bill stopped her as she drove away from the Croydon branch of Comet
     
    Why is it, that with actual physical evidence that the vast majority of these thugs are not poor, that only certain types of shops were targeted (I have to admit the picture of a fat woman running out of a poundsaver with bags of crisps may prove me wrong) were sports clothes shops, phone shops and electrical shops. Didn’t see anybody ransacking Watersons.  Unbelievably the parents of that Grammer School girl are standing by her. And there lies the root of the problem, so called liberals parents who cannot accept that their child can do no wrong. Again I may be proved wrong by how a young female thug was dragged to the nearest police station after her mother recognised her speaking in jubilation after rioting on bBC no less.

     
    It appears that the failed liberal policy at simply throwing money away in which to keep layabouts happy hasn’t worked, so used have they become at being given what they want, they now just openly steal it and yet instead of recognising that salient fact the same wankers who put us all into this mess are saying;  
    “We need to throw more money at these people”  what is it with these people, with other peoples money and the inability to learn from society’s  mistakes?
    And the bBC promotes that stance.

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  23. cjhartnett says:

    Excellent pounce!
    All those visuals-all those unintended comedy moments that The News Quiz/Mock the Week/HIGNFY will NOT be doing much about just yet…too edgy for the useless Linens who`d rather be Lenins.
    There`s so much to laugh and mock in all the liberal elite are saying and doing, that I have to remind ourselves that real people,good people and innocent people trying to earn a crust have been wantonly sacrificed and hung out to dry by the selfsame troughers and toerags who would never DARE confront evil like the police…only challenge it by getting the butler to flick ink pellets from behind daddys Roller on their behalf!
    Still-re your point…I`m reminded of XTCs song “No thugs in Our House”…will “heal and Spotify” to quote UB40!

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Arrogance prevents the Beeboids from realizing that if they voluntarily hand over footage they can selectively keep the incriminating stuff from the authorities.  They think they’re above it all, and don’t have to help at all.

      If they are forced to hand over everything because of a court order, they might let through a few clips of Beeboids laughing with the looters and giving them updates on police activity. It also probably wouldn’t look too good if the Mail or similar got ahold of some “leaked” footage of a Beeboid or two standing around watching beatings and muggings.  Even if they’re not responsible, and couldn’t possibly do anything to help, it still wouldn’t look to good to the public.  Plenty of angles for the BBC to worry about here, I bet.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      The BBC News Channel just did a report about the huge amount of CCTV footage that has been handed over to the police to identify looters.  The Beeboid told us how important it was, but no mention that the BBC is withholding equally important footage.  They are above the rest of us, as usual.

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  24. cjhartnett says:

    If I hear another useful idiot say that “riots only happen under the Tories” I will-well I can do nothing because they`ve got the megaphone as ever!
    That said, Labour have-yet again-left the chip pan on, and removed the batteries from the smoke alarms(non-recyclable, you see). They did leave leaflets on healthy eating though, and one on the Fire Service Diversity Empowerment Day that we might want to know of!
    Harman,Balls etc…there`s the source of your fires…they use the Guardian as touchpaper and get the BBC to film them warming their hands by the fire…but worrying about the carbon footprint as they do so!
    The same shit of socialism presumably think that the rioters were just trying to get their XBoxes digitally compatible with what the Beeb has lined up for us…certainly they all seem to want to go online, much as the State has long urged them to.
    The digital divide between the affluent and the “vulnerable/marginalised/excluded” got that little bit narrower over the last few days.
    That Currys found themselves reluctant sponsors of the rolled out initiative was sad..but lessons will be learned once the petrol has been removed from the smartpads!

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    • MarkE says:

      Of course “riots only happen under the Tories”; when Labour are elected those of us with anything to lose may be depressed because we know they are going to do their damndest to destroy the economy but we tend to be law abiding so we don’t take to the streets.  When Labour are thrown from office (even when it is by fellow travellers such as Cameron) their clients, fearing the loss of their benefits or cosy sinecures do take to the streets because they respect neither law nor property.

      That “riots only happen under the Tories” should be shouted from every rooftop to illustrate just what Labour are really about.

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      • Reed says:

        The Conservatives just need to alter that narative a little : riots tend to happen after the end of Labour governments.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Which Government started “stop and search” – supposedly one of the root causes that started this, according to “Listen to the youth” Abbott?

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  25. Bupendra Bhakta says:

    james1070
    I like your observation that no bookshop was looted.

    ********************************************

    You say that, but a shop near me selling traditional musical instruments was trashed by those… what do you call them again?… ah yes… luters. 😀

    OI Barrenga (see cuts cuts cuts thread) you can use that one.

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  26. cjhartnett says:

    Nice one centurion!

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  27. cjhartnett says:

    Nice one centurion!

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  28. pounce_uk says:

    So who here has seen the bBC report on the bomb explosion inBeirut today. You know that one where the bBC says 2 people died.

    How many people here know that the men who died , were killed as they lay under a car. That the car belonged to a Judge and that the area was in a Christian part of town. In fact how many people know that the dead men came from Southern Beirut, from the Hezb-allah part of town and that their names were: Ihsan Dia and HassanNassar.  You have to admit that Ihsan and Nassar aren’t exactly Christian names.

     

    Strange how the bBC becomes all reticent when its favourite freedom fighters are in the news. You can bet your bottom dinar that if the IDF had been implicated then the bbC would be airing this in big red lettering with the caption “Breaking news”

     

    Something else which I noticed is how two reports one from AP and one from the bBC both have very similar wording in a paragraph. Gee I wonder who copied who?

    AP
    Such explosions are not uncommon in Lebanon but there have been no targeted killings in the past three years.

    bBC

    “Such explosions are not uncommon in Lebanon, but there have been no targeted killings in recent years, correspondents say.”

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    • pounce_uk says:

      In light of how I feel the bBC will change that wording in which to get out of allegations of plagiarism here is a screen dump for anybody who wants it.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I like how the BBC bends over backwards to keep from pointing the finger of guilt by saying “but it is not clear if they were placing the bomb or trying to get rid of it.”  A heroic citizen vigilante bomb disposal sqaud?  Seriously?

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  29. Louis Robinson says:

    There are two views emerging in the debate about the riots in England – as the BBC decrees we must now call them. One is the Melanie Phillips line brilliantly expressed in the Mail.

    What has been fuelling all this is not poverty, as has so predictably been claimed, but moral collapse. What we have been experiencing is a complete breakdown of civilised behaviour among children and young people straight out of William Golding’s seminal novel about childhood savagery, Lord Of The Flies.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024690/UK-riots-2011-Britains-liberal-intelligentsia-smashed-virtually-social-value.html#ixzz1Uit47fKW
     (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024690/UK-riots-2011-Britains-liberal-intelligentsia-smashed-virtually-social-value.html

    The other view exemplified by the C of E, the dreadful Archbishop of Canterbury and his army of sandaled vicars called Dave, and BBC who’s main culprit in the perpetuation of the victim culture is undoubtedly the R4 programme “You and Yours” presented today by Winifred Robinson (no relation).

    Typical of the fare is today’s story: “Hundreds of residents in rural parts of Rossendale in Lancashire are losing their door to door bin collections in a bid to save money. Will taking the rubbish to collection points just encourage more problems with litter?”

    Um…no. If the local residents took responsibility they could probably do a better job than the council at getting rid of their rubbish. And how about asking Dave the vicar if he can organize something?

    “You and Yours” paints the portrait of a helpless population waiting for the Nanny State to solve their problems and makes it the poster child of the BBC philosophy. I’ve dipped into it over the last 20 years and find it grindingly negative.

    The battle of the two views: Melanie vs Winifred. Which side are you on?

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    • Margo Ryor says:

      Melanie Philips is dead right. My great grandparents were from Eastern Europe. They lived on the East (poor) side of New York city. Great Grandpa worked in a shop-front sweatshop. All their children went to work as early as they could to help support the family. Funny thing, all their children grew up to be college educated professional people. Could this have had anything to do with G-Grandpa’s strong family values, support of education and hard work? Gee – I wonder!

      Now I’m sure London is full of my G-Grandpa’s kind of immigrant – those Turkish shop owners are a good example – but what about the ones who are  told by the Left that they shouldn’t have to adapt or get an education, or hunt for a job but that the Government owes them a living? THAT’S who was rioting and looting.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Good point. Same story for me.  Shame no Beeboid has pointed that out or asked a single question about it.

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    • John Horne Tooke says:

      Melanie Phillips said every problem was instituted or exacerbated by the Labour government under Tony Blair

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024690/UK-riots-2011-Britains-liberal-intelligentsia-smashed-virtually-social-value.html#ixzz1Uk8hAsnt

      Which has been my argument for years.

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  30. cjhartnett says:

    Liked Winnies worrying about the Nintendo community that bought their bits from Nintendo “in good faith at the top of the market”.
    Now-wouldn`t cha know?…the Man has only gone and reduced the prices of the same widgets.
    This is clearly an issue for Nintendo to compensate the customers who paid their extra £60 last March…boy, is Winnie cross about it!
    Rather think I could beat that bargain today at Seven Sisters today…maybe Winnie can get down there and tell us before curfew!

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  31. freddo41 says:

    Radio 4’s World at One carried an item today in which a reporter watched the House of Commons debate on the riots with a couple who’d been victims.
    The piece ended with the reporter asking the couple to say which of the party leaders had performed better. What is the relevance of such a question?
    Unsurprisingly they thought that Miliband came out on top. I wonder if that exchange would have made it to the final cut if Cameron had been adjudged the winner.

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    • Martin says:

      Might have been an idea to ask who they voted for at the last election as well. Perhaps the BBc did and got two Liebore voters.

      I don’t see how Miliband said anything useful, at least he didn’t mention Milly Dowler for the first time in weeks.

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    • hippiepooter says:

      I wonder how these two people had been selected as well, whether they been subtley ‘vetted’ before hand.

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  32. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ refuses this:

    Ban the Burqa, ban the balaclava, ban face-mask and hoodies in public.

    BBC-NUJ campaigns for ‘freedom of expression’ NOT for public security.

    1.)’Telegraph’:
    “Burka-clad” [Muslim] “female suicide bomber detonates in Pakistan”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8694814/Burka-clad-female-suicide-bomber-detonates-in-Pakistan.html

    2.)
    “Britain considers mask ban; may use army if unrest continues”

    http://boingboing.net/2011/08/11/britain-considers-mask-ban-may-use-army-to-suppress-future-unrest.html

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  33. George R says:

    One for INBBC to censor:

    “Terrorism: Jihadists ‘flooding Internet’ with anti-British messages amid riots ”

    http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Security/Terrorism-Jihadists-flooding-Internet-with-anti-British-messages-amid-riots_312342042718.html

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  34. Louis Robinson says:

    What’s the fuss? Nothing new here. Where’s the story?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8696016/BBC-executive-Caroline-Thomson-spends-2800-on-taxis.html

    I remember producers hiring taxis to take their clothes to the laundry, booking a cab for 10am then keeping it waiting (on the clock) till after lunch, etc etc. But when faced with cuts the management announced they would slash programmes.

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  35. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Gov. Rick Perry of Texas is supposedly going to announce his candidacy for President this Saturday.  He’ll most likely steal Michelle Bachmann’s thunder, as he has both the religious and fiscal bone fides she does, and moreover has real administrative leadership experience, with the accomplishments of Texas having just about the best economy in the country.

    Perry definitely has a shot at being the eventual nominee, as he ticks lots of boxes, including the one about Governors ending up as the nominee way more often than Reps. or Senators.  His only real drawback – from what I know so far, anyway – is the über-Christian thing.  There’s a big audience for that in the US, sure, but no way is a majority going to vote for someone who leads prayer meetings and acts like a TV minister.  Not going to happen.  He needs to address that issue before even thinking about unseating the incumbent President.

    I’m sure Mark Mardell will be working overtime on air and online to tell you how horrible Perry is, and how cruel Texas is to the poorers and most vulnerable, like not forking over massive amounts of cash to health care for illegal aliens, and keeping Medicaid payments low to prevent waste and fraud.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Yes David.
      Perry has just had a profile in the Independent and just been named as a coming candidate on the Radio3 news!
      To be honest-just keep us all posted about things over there in that great country of yours…Obama notwithstanding!
      Fancy that “Letter From America” gig for Sunday mornings?…what`s your Scottish accent like?…red hair and NHS specs won`t matter if its only radio?
      Keep us posted-Mardell needs a big mall to be lost in these next few years…give him the information desk and say it`s a live feed to London eh?

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  36. George R says:

    We Brits pay for Libyan Muslims to get INBBC Arabic on FM!

    British licencepayers can’t get RADIO 5 on FM (because it don’t exist); BUT, British taxpayers are forced to pay so that Muslim Libyans can get INBBC  propaganda on BBC Arabic!

    “BBC launches fm in Libya”

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/europe/BBC-launches-fm-in-Libya/Article1-732394.aspx

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  37. George R says:

    BBC -NUJ and GEORGE SOROS.

     BBC-NUJ reports on George Soros (whose ‘Media Matters’ anti-Fox News politics, BBC-NUJ likes):

    “George Soros’ Brazilian ex-girlfriend sues him for $50m”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14494560

    GLENN BECK, ex-Fox News, who has been the target of much of SOROS’s nasty political propaganda, also comments on this Soros matter, rather more amusingly than BBC-NUJ (4 min video):

    “George Soros paid for sex? ”

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/08/11/george-soros-paid-for-sex/

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