166 Responses to OPEN THREAD

  1. noggin says:

    ps, i tried to get through myself…………..
    surprise surprise
    impossible

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      They control what goes in then, once in control how it is shaped and, as evidenced by Mr. Robinson’s ‘wealth creator’ blog, have the option of making sure that whatvere goes out can be removed more effectively than a Russian genreral from a May Day balcony photo if ‘contra narrative’.

      The BBC makes propaganda and cesnsorship from decades ago seem amateur.

      And they need to be held to account.

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  2. james1070 says:

    Was the BBC duped?

    Is city trader who said Goldman Sachs rules the world part of hoax group?

    Reminds me of Guy Goma who went for an job interview at the BBC but ended up being interviewed on the news.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I didn’t smell a hoax, but I did sense that the BBC producers screwed up royally by asking a capitalist pig trader for a recipe to save Socialism.  This guy should never have been on the screen during that segment.

      Have to say, though, I definitely enjoyed this reverse ambush interview giving the BBC a taste of their own medicine.

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      • My Site (click to edit) says:

        Hoax or not, the BBC, and especially Peston, are covering selves in weasel droppings trying to explain who he is, and how he got to be interviewed. Or not.

        It’s… deiicious.

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            Damn. He had me fooled.  Not that he was wrong about anything.

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          • My Site (click to edit) says:

            ‘But on Tuesday night the BBC was left facing questions about just how qualified Mr Rastani is to speak about the markets. ‘

            And, possibly, how qualified 99% of its so called Reporter/Analyst/Presenter/EditorISTS and their legions of other ‘guest’ experts are?

            These are people entrusted with the nation’s airwaves to inform and educate accurately, or at least in a balanced manner the various options, yet it seems the UK’s £4Bpa enforced media monopoly does no more than punt out any old thing to fill the 24/7 news maw like any two-bit ratings addict station.

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  3. Martin says:

    Classic this morning when some ‘efnik’ woman dame Nikki had in the studio said that she’d always support the black athlete regardless of where he came from over a white Brit.Someone then asked her what she’d think if a white person said the same sortof thing that he’d always support the white athlete over the black one. She didn’t seem impressed.

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    • Buggy says:

      There’s a notorious South African newspaper report from a Spingbok tour of New Zealand between the wars concerning the Boks having to play against a Maori side and the writers disgust at white New Zealanders cheering against ‘their own race’.

      Maybe I should dig out a copy for the BBC.

      Oh, and it’s the SuperFox’s birthday today, so I’ve changed my avatar in her honour. 58 ! I’d have said 21 myself so she’s looking really good.  😛

      Anyway, enjoy !

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  4. Millie Tant says:

    Ha!Ha! The Beeboid transmission of its Leader’s speech on BBC 2 has broken down. Some sort of poetic justice? Or a wicked joke by the unseen Forces of Mischief in the Machine!

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    • Jeremy Clarke says:

      Indeed.

      The Beeb was most apologetic that Ed wasn’t on our screen: “We apologise for the temporary problem,” said the banner.

      I suppose that’s one way of describing Ed Miliband.

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    • Millie Tant says:

      It was caused by “a massive power failure”, according to Andrew Neil.  Ah, a metaphor for MillipEd, then.  An earnest Mr Pooter with flat delivery punctuated by peculiar switches in pitch and a talent for bathos (“…when I heard the terrible news of…[outbreak of war? a devastating tsunami?  mass murder in Norway? famine in Africa? Nah…] the hacking of Milly Dowler’s telephone”).  For crying out loud! We know it was dastardly but save the tragic, sonorous, portentous tone for what actually is terrible.

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      • hippiepooter says:

        Miliband’s speech was utterly cringeworthy.  He oozes insincerity.  Must be hard to give a speech when you know everyone who hears it including yourself knows its a complete load of rollocks.

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  5. tomfiglio says:

    From Ian Dale’s post on his Dale&Co. blog

    Sitting here on the LBC table in the media centre I am looking around wondering what on earth the massed ranks of the 150 BBC journalists here actually do all day. Most of them stare at their computer screens and never seem to move from them. I try and make a point of wandering round the conference centre chatting to delegates. But it seems to me that most journalists here just feed off each other and the senior politicians they meet. Ordinary delegates don’t seem to have a role at all. Yet it is they who create the mood and atmosphere at a party conference.

    More wasted money.

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      wondering what on earth the massed ranks of the 150 BBC journalists here actually do all day. Most of them stare at their computer screens and never seem to move from them’

      On current evidence, for all the good they are, probably just tweeting each other and Graun hacks.

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  6. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Gosh, it must be a really slow news day today, as the BBC News Channel is now broadcasting a live feed of the effing Michael Jackson death trial.  And it’s just the opening statement, FFS.  
     
    I guess the collapse of the Euro, new revelations in the “Gunrunner” scandal, the Democrat-led US Senate reaching a deal to avoid another government shutdown, trains colliding in Shanghai, Solyndra hearings, and the Vice Chair of the Fed saying the economy is even worse than we think, and the typhoon hitting Manila are all too damn boring for the overgrown adolescents who run BBC News.    
       
    Or this is just more evidence that ratings = value for money, and they simply don’t care about anything else as much.

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    • Millie Tant says:

      Sky News was doing the same. What is the matter with these people?

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Sky is a commercial operation.  Ratings means business for them.  Not so the BBC, only now that’s their primary metric anyway.

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  7. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Oh, FFS, even Eggheads is infested with the bias now.  They just had a question about which US state had a controversial immigration policy which would lead to racial profiling.  Yeah, I know, it’s really down to the production company and the BBC is as innocent as a newborn lamb.  But still…..

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  8. Craig says:

    You’ve got to hand it to Kevin Maguire. Being an experienced pro-Labour tabloid journalist, he knows how to use emotionally-charged tabloid language to turn his audience against the Tory government, as here this morning: 

    “The Royal Navy is making redundant more than a thousand sailors, some of them recently returned from risking their lives in the Libyan campaign.”

    “Risking their lives” is much better than merely saying “serving” for hitting the right emotional buttons and influencing people against the government’s job cuts. Bravo Kevin!

    Except it wasn’t Kevin Maguire. It was the BBC newsreader on this morning’s Today programme. 

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  9. George R says:

    Nick COHEN on Patten and BBC:

    “Chris Patten: a big disappointment all round”

    [Excerpt]:

    “BBC bias in favour of the Euro or any other obsession buzzing in the minds of the liberal upper-middle class is hard to study because those who perpetuate it are unmanly journalists. Instead of leaving the corporation to propagate their views openly as a politician, author or opinionated writer in the press, they insinuate and manipulate. They subvert BBC neutrality, while pretending to remain inside it, by rigging interviews, asking tough questions of their opponents and soft ones of their friends. BBC bias is a sly and slippery phenomenon, more of a badge of social allegiance than a political affiliation, which is hidden from view for most of the time. ”

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/nickcohen/7269668/chris-pattena-big-disappointment-all-round.thtml

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  10. Ray says:

    WTF is this?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15060641
    We are all racists – we must be because we find talking to someone we cant understand irritating.

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      I must be a racist because getting called at 7pm by a person on a crackly line who doesn’t ask if I am free as I juggle pots and pans these days does not get a polite 30 secs before they even take a breath from the ‘research, not a sales call’ screed being mindlessly disgorged.

      Or… maybe I am just fed up with unolicited spam calls.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    How nice of Stephanie “Two Eds” Flanders to tell us that continuing to pour money down the euro toilet isn’t necessarily a good thing.  Oh, wait, I got that wrong.  She’s actually saying that this is what must be done, and that those nasty Germans who don’t want to do it are heartless bastards.  Hence her headline:


    Eurozone crisis: Europe’s choice to punish or protect

    It’s typical “Two Eds”.  By ‘punishing’, she means that Greece and Italy, for example, should be made to feel a little pain for having screwed everything up so badly that other people have to tighten their own belts in order to feed them.  This, to Flanders, in not very nice.

    But she has – at last! – begun to grasp the concept I often talk about explaining to a child with bottle caps and a circle drawn in the sand:

    Changing the design of the EFSF in this way does not entirely get round the problem I discussed in my blog of 15 September that the more countries you bail out, the fewer countries are left in the EFSF, the less money there is in the pot.

    Gosh, Steph, maybe you should have been so eager to tell us how Britain and the rest of them simply must bail out Greece, Ireland, Portugal, and now Greece again (by lowering their debt costs to the level of a snake’s belly).  Oh, and also it might have been unwise to tell us that that initial Greek bailout was working.  Or that because interest rates were so low, the UK’s contribution to the Ireland bailout would cost next to nothing and everyone should stop whining about it.

    Funny how back in May 2010 (as a quick stroll through old open threads reminds me) the BBC was scolding Germany for not wanting to bail Greece out the first time.  Why, it’s almost as if there’s some sort of shared hive mind on this issue.

    In any case, “Two Eds” Flanders has been 100% in support of every bailout so far.  Why stop now, dear?

    The answer may lie in this revealing inset of “Eurozone – other recent views”:


    The New York Times’ Paul Krugman is “both terrified and bored” by the eurozone crisis – terrified because he remembers the last depression led to World War II.

    The BBC junior sub-editor summed up why Krugman was terrified, but doesn’t mention why he’s bored, which is much more important and relevant here.  Sure, the worst case scenario scares him, but it’s almost an innocuous cliché at this point.  Krugman is bored, though, because, like Flanders, he fully expects the mandarins to continue to print money, roll it all over, kick the can down the road (did someone mention clichés?) and all it will work, all will be well in the end.  Or at least he’s putting on a brave face.

    Flanders, on the other hand, sees – for a fleeting moment, before the veil lowers again – that it’s ultimately doomed, mathematically unsustainable.  I’m sure she’ll be back on form soon enough to explain how it’s all good again, keep those money presses printing, please, austerity is unfair my children.  Socialism is failing before her very eyes, and she’s unsure how to cope.

    Side note: the fourth article highlighted in that “other recent views” inset links to a great little piece in the Street Light explaining how the Euro was doomed the minute they included all those badly run countries which had already gone further down the Socialist path (I don’t want to hear about how any of those countries had a nominally conservative government for a while, as the cradle-to-grave entitlements and the rest of it was already entrenched anyway).

    A bit of subversion there, I think, and my hat is off to the sub-editor who snuck that in.

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      Ms. Flanders has now been elevated to being the Richard Black of Economics.

      While Richard Black is the Jeremt Bowen of ME editorial…

      Not a great set.

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  12. My Site (click to edit) says:

    I woulkd hardly call Eammon Holmes a skilled interviewer, but I am watching Ed Miliband take a massive hole in his career and Labour’s shot credibility as a coherent political party and dig even further under some gentle questioning.

    If not already Beebwashed today as he does the rounds, I dread to think how he’ll ooze on under the nhational broadcasters’s spotlight.

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