Wednesday dawns and time for a new one of these since the Monday one is bursting at the seams. Looks like you have been able to discern plenty of bias from the State Broadcaster so once more the floor is yours…see how quickly you can fill this up.
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BBCr4today BBC Radio 4 Today “Think for yourself.” – Steve Wozniak @stevewoz on business and counterculture: bbc.in/sTEBUx #r4today
Not on ‘news’ broadcasts, though, obviously.
Open Book watch #2.
Seasoned old hyena, Mariella Frostrup –
‘And next week a debut novel from Salma Daba giving insight into life in Gaza through the eyes of a British Palestinian.’
Yeah, luv, and the week after a hilarious debut novella from Bupendra Bhakta called, ‘One Of Those Harmless Katyushas Landed On Our School’.
“British Palestinian”
Uniquely, decendents of Palestinian refugees retain their Palestinian refugee status (all other nationalities are deemed by UNHCR to be resident in the state where they actually reside)
Wonder if the BBBC made it clear that the novel is about an nth generation Briton…
Anticipating the BBC will suddenly like public opinion again, about… now…
dpcarrington Damian Carrington RT @Good_Energy: YouGov poll finds 56% of people want more wind turbines & 74% think solar capacity shd be increased bit.ly/rHR1If
I’m very very suspicious of those results. Which hippy commune were they conducting that survey in?
A representative one, I am told.
Carried out with all due rigour by the same outfit that selects QT audiences to reflect the views of the UK 🙂
Where people in areas that have wind turbines asked? I expect the poll was carried out in places where no wind turbines exist and there are no plans to build any. No in My Backyard etc..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/8815567/Rural-idyll-threatened-by-monstrous-plan-for-wind-farms.html
Even Harrabin himself knows the difference between being for something you can’t see and against things you can.
“Opinion is broadly pro-environment and pro-renewable energy. Most people have been relaxed about wind turbines sprouting from the flat tops of the Cambrian mountains.
Maybe that is because it is hard to see the turbines from the valleys. The soggy upland plateau doesn’t attract walkers, either – most of the best views are on the way up or down. And few roads pass over the tops.
The other key factor is that, until now, the power from the turbines has been gobbled up by the current electric grid, so few new pylons have been needed.
But now the community is suddenly and dramatically divided over plans for a massive expansion including many hundreds of new turbines whose output will overwhelm existing cables.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13380536
But it is like being asked if you like kittens. Yes they are sweet – until they poo on the shag pile.
Renewables would be fantastic – if they worked. Oh for a world where every house was self sufficient in clean low cost energy. Not going to happen though.
ASI Adam Smith Institute Twisted sex stories – why the BBC’s report on student prostitution is flimsy and misleading: adamsmith.org/blog/media-cul…
Yes that story stank like a rotting fish.
Early reports began, ‘The BBC has learned…’ Droid speak for, ‘The BBC has read in the Guardian tis morning’, or ‘The BBC has made up…’ I supose texters shamed the BBC into revealing the ‘source’ such as it was.
And as for the ‘I went on the game because my EMA was cut’ line.
Laughable. It was either
a) a Labour party staffer or
b) a BBC employee.
For a company that prides itself on its ‘news-gathering’ the BBC is pretty rank at it.
Bup, I thought you were joking re the “after having her EMA cut”!! My God they’re a joke.
You can imagine the scene, ‘My 30 quid a week for staying in college was cut by evil tories so I just HAD to prostitute myself, fancy a quickie?’
(I mean, she must vbe really cheap!)
“I had a friend who’d been trying to get me to join his escort agency since I was 16….”
Says it all really.
S.d all to do with EMA.
As the saying goes: “Water seeks its own level.”
If you’ll forgive me.
40 years ago I went up to university. I deliberately did not accept my ‘parental contribution. I worked in a wine celler every vacation washing up and setting the silver service. During the summer, I worked on the hovercraft. Just two weeks ‘holiday’.
It wasn’t easy then either but it can be done.
Further education is an INVESTMENT not an entitlement.
The BBC message was really “white girls are slags anyway, so there’s no such thing as moslem grooming.”
haha…what a surprise…NOT!
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7483143/26-versus-1-really.thtml
Yep, that Spectator Blog has been outstanding recently in it’s counter-coverage of the Cameron EU opt-out, continually calling MSM to account for themselves in their p*sspoor, one-sided coverage. I’ve recently bookmarked the blog as a regular stopping-off point for me. Some great reading to be had there. I don’t always agree with it, but it’s nice to see The Spectator putting up some good arguments.
I’ve been reading it, also EU Referendum, which takes a very jaded view of the media reporting.
If Richard North is right (and I think he is) there was no treaty to veto and Cameron has led us all up the garden path in trying to make himself look macho. Look at the Spectator link:
“Prime Minister Petr Necas told the Czech press, ‘It wasn’t possible to sign up to this international agreement for a number of reasons. But the main reason was this – nobody knows what’s in it’…”
If no-one knows what’s in it, how can it be vetoed? It will all unravel, and I don’t understand why the BBC aren’t attacking Cameron for duplicity. They should. Two possible reasons. One, they’re too dim to work it out. Or two, they know it will unravel and are giving the sceptics enough time to make themselves look really stupid when it does.
Actually Cameron refused to sign the ‘permission to amend a treaty’ which is more or less the same result. I’ve had Coffee House and EURef bookmarked for years but the Northy does let his loathing of Cameron cloud some of his very good blogging.
The Delusions of the Climate Technocrats
It was the latest in a long series of last chances to save the planet. Like a convention of superheroes, 14,500 politicians, civil servants, journalists and campaigners from development and environmental NGOs descended on Durban, South Africa, for the seventeenth Committee of Parties (COP) meetings under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). Their agreement, if they could reach one, would save the remaining 6,999,985,500 of us from certain doom.
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This could make a really good BBC game show.
Hosted by Black and Harrabin, they could whittle down the 7bn contestants to about a few hundred by making them all watch a recording of the Durbanberg 2011 Rally.
The winner, who will be judged the most sycophantic, will receive a vegetarian wind-up wind farm.
Nice idea, John. I suspect, however, the irony would be lost on the AGW zealots who attended the Duranberg Rally 2011 (nice turn of phrase, there, fella!) – these climate alarmists don’t appear to have much of a sense of humour. I’m not sure whether that’s a good or a bad thing, lol. BTW, keep an eye on the Spiked site – they often put the boot into the BBC on a range of subjects, as well as holding a healthy disregard for pro-AGW propaganda.
I’m surprised that the BBC haven’t taken the opportunity to tell us how proud they are to have broadcast live feed to the brave jolly tars on the Admiral Kuznetson.
Furthermore, alerting them that our one and only remaining Tub (HMS Airmiles) was rowing it’s way there to intercept them.
As we know, there are defence stories and there are BBC defence stories.
BBCNormanS norman smith Labour’s europe spokeswoman Emma Reynolds says Cameron veto was.” the greatest failure of peace time diplomacy in more than half a century”
Bio says he’s a rubbish climber.. too.
I don’t know about that; it depends what he’s climbing up to.
The top of the barrel, I’d guess.
…trying to get away from bloody Miliband, who’s down at the bottom, scraping away.
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/734/pmqs_cameron_stuffs_the_turkey_early_this_christmas
http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2011/12/glass-house-can-get-chilly.html?spref=tw
‘The BBC and other news organisations pick the story up from the tabloid which broke it without checking, without questioning, and apply the boot rigorously.’
You don’t ge that reputation for integrity and professionalism and trust any old how.
The BBC Covers Two Stories Of Killings In European Cities
“Muslim Gunman in Belgium kills 5 and injures 122”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/news/muslim-gunman-in-belgium-kills-5-and-injures-122/
“First picture of crazed gunman who hurled hand grenades at Christmas shoppers as police find body of cleaner he tried to rape dumped in his cannabis shed”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073578/Belgium-attacks-Liege-gunman-Nordine-Amrani-pictured-police-body-shed.html#ixzz1gWQj6T7S
Here he is on Facebook…Same mugshot as the Daily Mails.
http://www.facebook.com/nordinea?sk=wall
The BBC were continually saying that he was a “local” man.
That classic Flemish name of his certainly had me thinking that here was a bloke angry at not enough witbiers or poor chips in mayonnaise.
Clearly a million miles away from Islam.
I wonder if cannabis was what did it…and maybe we ought to prosecute people who promote this drug…on the basis that if it does this to just one person…why, that is one person too many!
Can`t be too careful now can we?
Only hope that he listened to the BBC World Service or read the Guardian…that Norwegian nutjob might then have his leftie oppo for us all to mercilessly nip at the nuts of the BBC!
yep! this “morrocan” – er Jehovahs witness? … anybody?,
that “we all “knew he dealt drugs” – er possible amish?,
with a history of guns violence and brutaity – er buddhist? maybe
“The Karachi Post in Pakistan claimed that the attack was linked to a sentence in an honour killing case. It said the parents of Sadia Sheikh were sentenced on Monday when there had been a bomb alert in the court” – er … then daoist? perhaps
“police find body of cleaner he tried to rape dumped” … violent abuse/killing of staff – saudi style hmmmm maybe christodelphian?… methodist? …
NO no no idea? i give up
the el beeb – local man/local people/league of gentleman palava
sheesh – what next, too much chocolate, and a waffle as the root cause?
I can reccomend the ding-dong going down on Helen’s latest outing into telling the people that they are being spokekn at, not for…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2011/12/the_challenge_of_reporting.html
And it seems the full crisis crew have been only now wohken up and sent over to quell the rebellion… and it is not going well.
I predict a closing (though it is now, amazingly, past the the ton).
I see you’ve been having some fun over there. marko is a typical defender of the indefensible. All he can do is throw ad homs and twist other people’s words around instead of explaining how the BBC’s coverage was as good as Boaden claims.
It’s shame. I have found him usually polite, that can seduce at least the effort of a reply, but it is becoming clear he is little more than a troll bot, chanting ‘why?’ over and over to delay or disract by attrition.
Clearly bright, and has on occasion deigned to offer a reply if cornered, but I suspect a BBC in-house fixer if a thread looks like going off narrative.
Seems to retire to the bunker if the venture out doesn’t score by the target holding ground.
“Like any highly controversial subject, it is always challenging for an impartial news organisation to report without inflaming strong views on either side of the debate.”
Well then it’s lucky for them that the BBC is not impartial
Like any highly controversial subject, it is always challenging for an impartial news organisation to report without inflaming strong views on either side of the debate.
Of course, if the BBC reported the story straight without making the assumption that it’s a ‘controversial’ subject, there would be no grounds to claim that there is any slant. It’s that automatic assumption that anything negative that they must report about one of the ‘sacred’ topics must be dealt with as though it were some kind of cautionary tale to be delivered with a tut-tut and a shake of the head.
It is not our job to hail any summit on any subject as a “triumph” or a “disaster”. Our role is simply to report and analyse events and their fall-out.
This is a bit of sleight of hand. It’s not necessarily the case that reporters themselves are all engaged in putting across an agenda when reporting, but that they are often very selective when it comes to who is allowed to comment on the story, in order to form the narrative for them.
‘Merkel says UK a key part of EU’ is the BBC news website’s main headline at present.
I’d have thought that the unemployment figures were slightly more important than the rehashed opinions of a foreign leader…
Jeff
If Wikipedia goes blank one day soon, it will be a shock to BBC audiences because they’ve been completely silent on the progress through the US Congress on the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).
If passed and signed, this law would allow the government to force ISPs to shut down any website they believe to be involved in illegal file-sharing. No due process of law, no warrants, just an opinion and a phone call. Naturally, this has been pushed by the film and tv and music industry (especially the RIAA) for ages. ISPs have for a while now tried to do self-policiing, telling their users to stop if they catch them, kind of like YouTube and others taking down videos when they get copyright violation notices from owners. This isn’t good enough for the RIAA and the film industry, so they’re getting the Congressmen they own to pass a sweeping, draconian law.
The bill is up for Judiciary Committee vote in the House of Reps. this week. If approved, it goes to the full body for debate and then a vote. Considering that the bill was introduced by Committee chair Lamar Smith – a Republican – it’s probably a done deal. Lamar, unsurprisingly, has received a huge amount of cash from the film and tv industry.
It’s a bi-partisan folly, really. Can’t blame one party over the other for this, as so many of them are in thrall to Hollywood. Google is very unhappy, claiming it will “break the internet”. The Wikipedia boss is talking about staging a self-censorship protests, and blanking the site, full stop, to show people what would happen if this went down.
I support cracking down on internet piracy just as I support the cracking down on people selling bootleg DVDs and any kind of stolen goods on the street. It’s the same thing, and my objection isn’t to some sort of BS intellectual freedom of the internet. But like all laws written for lobbyists, this one goes too far. Potentially, linking to a site that has an illegal download somewhere can be considered a criminal act and get your own blog or website shut down. Again, no trial, no procedure. They just see it and shut you down. Any time the government gets to dispense with the rule of law, it’s not cool, but that’s what this is.
In any case, the BBC has never mentioned this as far as I’m aware. It’s rather disappointing, seeing as how BBC technology editor (and husband of a BBC Trustee) Rory Cellan-Jones has spoken out against internet censorship in the past. He even frowned at Amazon for deciding not to sell a paedophile handbook. Nice priorities there, BBC.
So again we get a newsgathering failure from the BBC on US issues, because they’re more interested in creating an online version of USA Today and People Magazine to attract US eyeballs and advertising revenue than maintaining a serious news division.
Tiny credit to Justin Webb and Today for mentioning that Lawrence Korb is a “supporter” of the President, although that point and then some is taken away by them not mentioning that he worked in the Reagan Administration, but that the Center for American Progress where he now works (mentioned on the Today running order page) is a Soros-funded, far-Left, anit-Israel outfit. Which explains why he’s so sanguine about the possibility of Iraq going rogue again. He was an administrator as Asst. Sec. of Defense under Reagan, not really involved in policy, and in any event obviously has changed his spots. But you don’t need to know any of that, right? Just assume he’s an expert you should trust. Even though he’s clearly a fellow traveller to the BBC on this issue these days, which is why they have him on.
In any case, this segment exists simply to support the President’s withdrawal from Iraq, by rehashing the old notion that they never wanted us there in the first place. And don’t worry, Iran won’t touch a hair on their heads, nor will any other nasty people.
PS: Now even the sub-editors at the flagship news programme don’t know the difference between it’s and its. Is there no end to this epidemic?
Wonderful piece on Toady after 8am.
Some dopey woman says she`s a survivor not a victim as she put up with some husband and his emotional abuse and coercion.
Sure there are laws against it already according to Monty, but the ladies aren`t using them enough…so where is the bloody Government in all this?
Cue the usual slew of bluestockings and quangowallahs to demand more…well laws, I guess.
My thinking however went back to Sarahs fascination with neuroscience and criminality yesterday…where crims pre-frontal cortices aren`t formed until they`re twenty or more.
Do we have a new defence now?…and will Womans Hour come down on one side or the other?
Sarah due a brain freeze before the traditional issuing of smelling salts to clear the fog of the poor womans brain at such times!
Guardian in the dock, wriggling and wriggling over false claims it made which effectively destroyed the News of the World
http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8455
Dowlers to be asked if they intend to repay the £3m compensation obtained from the NoW on the basis of false claims made over deletion of emails promoted by The Guardian in cahoots with Dowler money-grubbing lawyer Mark Lewis.
Commentators are not taken with the Guardians mealy mouthed defence. Perhaps its time for Russbridger to be taken outside and given the Clarkson treatment. No-one deserves it more.
The Milk Street Café near Zuccotti Park has closed, due to the continued barricades and traffic disruption caused by Occupy Wall Street. That’s 91 mostly working class jobs killed, 91 people pushed into unemployment at the worst possible time, by the darlings of the BBC. Sure, the police barricades are the actual problem, but they wouldn’t be there if not for the continued, massive disruption caused by the Occupiers.
The place had been open barely three months before the Occupiers turned up to allegedly fight for justice for working people. Police barricades all over the place and the general crowded atmosphere had been killing foot traffic near the eatery – almost five blocks up from the Park – for months.
Will anyone of the 55 Beeboids working in the US acknowledge this? Will any of them do a report on the destruction caused by these people? It’s a kosher dairy café, so maybe the intrepid Beeboids simply aren’t interested in doing anything which might appear sympathetic towards Jews, especially given the anti-Semitic nature of some complaints about bankers and Wall St. That’s purely unkind speculation on my part, of course, and I’m sure the BBC would dsipute it.
Will the BBC please tell me what to think a little clearer?
I know of Rupert, Global warming, Tory Cuts and our blessed EU…but am I to be pleased at Liz Taylors jewellery fetching millions in the States?…or am I to bewail the relative child poverty that dear, dear Sarah etal told me of yesterday on the same news slot at 8am?
Twenty four hours is indeed a long time in politics…but the sad face up on my fridge on hearing of the poors relative inability to get a HD screen ;now has to be replaced by a smiley face celebrating the news that our Liz jewellery is doing rather well over there in the USA!
Oh what am I to think now…oh do tell me Auntie?
This morning I had to put up with the BBC whining on about how ‘students’ are turning to pole dancing and being prozzie’s to make ends meet due to those nasty Tories.
Not once did anyone ask the obvious question, what are the male students doing then? Whilst some of them might get a job offering their bum to a beeboid for £25 on Hampstead Heath I’ve yet to see male pole dancers (and hopefully never will)
Then Radio 5 bleated on about 1 million unemployed women (evil Tories) but simply passed over the 2.6 million unemployed men!!
The BBC informs us that the women need special attention as they are all vital public sector workers losing their jobs. Really? Is a lesbian condom investigator on 50K a year really that important?
That should be 1.6 million men.
Oh and one of the dopey cows they interviewed stated that ‘her friend’ had been trying to sign her up as a prozzie for years.
Obvious question, howe many people would have a scummy pimp as a friend?
Too true Martin. We had to endure this on radio WM this morning, but I nearly choked on my coffee when some slapper (sorry, I mean “sex worker”) said that most of them do it because they are “Hard-Up” (!!) . I thought that was the whole idea! Made oi larrf!
From what I have seen in the Kings Cross area, most of these sex workers do it to fund their crack habit, not to keep up repayments on their student loan. BBC as usual, make up the story they want to tell, then go find someone to retrofit it.
Here’s another one for the BBC and all Warmists to pretend doesn’t exist:
What’s Going on Behind the Curtain? Climategate 2.0 and Scientific Integrity
Climategate, both 1 and 2, are textbook cases of gross lapses in professional ethics and scientific malfeasance. To understand why, one must first understand what science is and how it is supposed to operate. Science is the noble pursuit of knowledge through observation, testing and experimentation. Scientists attempt to explain, describe and/or predict the implications of phenomena through the use of the scientific method.
And before anyone chimes in that this is someone suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect, note that this is written by a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis with a PhD in Philosophy and Environmental Ethics.
The term skeptic has historically been a badge of honor proudly worn by scientists as indicating their commitment to the idea that in the pursuit of truth, nothing is beyond question, every bit of knowledge is open to improvement and/or refutation as new evidence or better theories emerge. However, in the topsy-turvy field of climate science, “skeptic” is a term of opprobrium and to be labeled a skeptic is akin to being a heretic in the Middle Ages – you may not be literally burned at the stake, but your reputation will be put to flames.
The Climategate scientists continue to claim that the actions disclosed are not bad as they seem and that nothing contained in the e-mails is really important. But this is like the Wizard of Oz saying “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,” when in fact the real action is going on behind the curtain.
I think we all know another scientist who continues to claim that the actions disclosed are unimportant, nothing to see here, move along.
It’s actually been interesting to see REAL science in action recently from CERN. With the problem of Neutrinos appearing to break the speed of light and now the possible first evidence of the Higg’s particle the scientists are releasing their data and allowing people to question them and their data. Nothing hidden and they are happy for people to prove them wrong. In science if you have a theory you want people to try to break it as the more times people try and fail the more trusting you are in your theory.
Now compare that to the ‘non science’ of climate change. Even taking out the non scientists that parade themselves around as ‘environment analysts’ (funny that you don’t get Physics analysts, you just get Physicists) the ‘real’ scientists refuse to put their data out for anyone to look at, they hide away much of their assumptions, they mix up computer modelling with real life events, they distort data and ignore other data that doesn’t fit their theory’
Take the Neutrino issue, suppose it works out that the Neutrinos are going faster than light, that means scientists have to go back to square 1 and redo much of their current understanding of science, most scientists I’ve read on this think that would be exciting and not be frightened that they might be made to look bad.
REAL science is never afraid of the truth, that is why climate science will only ever be a wet dream of left wing arts graduates at the BBC and the Guardian.
Martin, I agree with you, but it’s the sheer amount of real damage the BBBC and Guardianista eco-alarmists have done and are doing that most worries me. If they were loud but mostly harmless I’d let them shout at the sun until the cows came home – they wouldn’t be endangering anyone – but the fact they are so politicised and capable of wreaking such havoc on ordinary people’s lives in the name of this unholy AGW nonsense is something to be truly concerned about.
A look back at the achievements of “Planet Savers”:
Can’t buy a sensibly priced light bulb,
Have to ask each time for a plastic bag at the checkout,
Pay air passenger duty tax,
Fuel bill through the roof,
Grandchildren ask if they can please sponsor a polar bear.
Some achievement for the how many trillion spent on funding climate alarmism
“In defense of their refusal to share data, suppress its release or even destroy it, climate scientists have claimed that because those asking for the data are skeptics, they will only use the data to try and undermine their results. So what? Either the data and methods stand up to scrutiny and the results are robust or they are not. Either way, the skeptics have done the world a service. If the skeptics’ attempts to recreate the results end up confirming the results, then the findings are on more solid ground and the public can lend the work greater credence”
Indeed this is the reason that I am sceptical – How can you come to a scientific conclusion knowing that your data can prove it wrong? If he was sure of his conclusion then giving the data to other scientists could only prove his conclusions right. Anyone who hides the data and methods from scrutiny is not a scientist. These people are Alchemists , turning CO2 into gold.
Exactly if the ‘skeptics’ offer a different interpretation then you have a debate in public.
Remember when NASA thought they’d found evidence of some sort of fossilised microbial life in a Mars meteor? They put out their reasons and evidence and then the scientific community generally agreed they were probably wrong. But it was done in a professional way with rational debate.
With climate change loons all you’d get are riots and lots of spitting at people.
“When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable, he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason.”
– Thucydides
Poor lady who had been the subject of domestic physical violence and then subjected to mental control by husband of ten years interviewed in connection with government intention to expand definition of domestic violence on 5Live. Name changed, fair enough, the part of her storey when she said she had been to religous leaders, but they had told her she was lucky not to have ended up in hospital caught my attention. Apart from exclaiming ‘Religous leaders!’ the interviewer made no further comment and did not seek to identify the ‘religous leaders.
I wonder why that might be?
No doubt the left/beeb/eu lobby would like the term “domestic violence” to include “refusing to put up with some feminist bitch who is trying to kill you”.
Here we go… more polar bear references hidden in plain sight. Jesus wept.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pk6h2/Outnumbered_Christmas_Special_2009/?t=34m12s
5LiveDrive Wednesday evening. Predictably providing 3 hours of “analysis” on the new unemployment figures.
Two interviews summed up how the Tory policies aren’t working.
The first was with a 20 year old male from the North East. In a highly sympathetic interview with Aasmah Mir we discovered that he has been looking for “bar work” for 2 years now, and is struggling to live off £50 a week. THis week he had little money left as he spent it on Christmas presents. Asked if he would be prepared to travel for work, he said no.
The second piece was with a woman (with a deep voice) who had been a “Diversity Manager” in the public sector for 8 years, and now found herself out of work due to the cuts. Amazingly, she has not been able to find work in the private sector. Can’t think why. She believed it was because there was one rule for public, another for private, and that somehow the private sector “look after themselves”. She wasn’t challenged on any of this.
My evening listening was rounded off to here Peter Allen describe how Tories in the 1922 Committe banged the desks to show support to David Cameron’s veto. Allen said this was due to their “public school background”.
The whole show was a Party Political broadcast for the Labour Party, with scanty mention of the reason why those cuts had to be made.
How do they get away with it ?
Allen said this was due to their “public school background”.
I wonder if he would say the same of the public school boys in the shadow cabinet?
Wikipedia tells us that Peter Allen was educated at Brentwood School – a minor but nontheless public school. Jack Straw and Noel Edmonds share the same old school tie. The chip on his shoulder is that he was turned away from the comforts of the BBC’s Savoy Hotel for presenters on R4’s Today – due to his lack of Oxbridge background. Now he plugs away at the Travel Lodge Salford that is 5Live Drive and adopts PC lefty views to please his bosses as best he can.
…a “Diversity Manager” in the public sector for 8 years, and now found herself out of work due to the cuts.
Now THOSE are the right kind of cuts : to the unproductive and useless who provide NO service to the public whatsoever. More of the same please.
‘How do they get away with it ?’
Because they believe they are worth it, to the tune of £4Bpa, and hence are immune.
And they are probably right, as there is no tangible, realistic check or balance of the sort that applies to every other indivdual or corporate entity.
I have now challenged local reporters up to Helen Boaden on so-called interactive, ‘we’re listening’ blogs, or such as here, to explain and excuse the practice of stelath editting (which gets called ‘evolving the story’ if you actually manage to get a surly sod off no return address reply from complaints) on professional, objective and integrity bases, so far to no, or closed for further comment response.
It’s unqiue. Not in a good way.
The woman shows the entitlement culture mentality that is her problem , and has no doubt had it enforced by the public sector job she had . The mere description of it would ring alarm bells when mentioned in a job interview .
Reality has hit the country and thus reality has hit individuals like her .
Anyone catch the BBC’s Steve Jobs: Billion Dollar Hippy? I doubt it would have been so gushing if he’d have been a Republican supporter
Yet another bloody advert for Apple by the BBC.
Sure did!
What a gushfest…and bloody Stephen Fry again!
He once collapsed in terror under the mildest questions of Ann Widdicombe re faith…she`s my garlic clove of choice in facing down the smug self-satisfied ninny!
Is she available for private functions in the W11 area?
So a billionaire socialist is better than a billionaire capitalist. Making loads of fithy money off the poor is OK as long as you are not a banker. Hypocrtical leftists make me sick.
Steve Jobs was no socalist – he learned that lesson very quickly and had no love for Obama.
The Apple 1984 Macintosh ad always reminds me of drones watching the BBC for some reason
Now if a few more Americans ‘think different’ in 2012 the election will be a fun time
Jobs’ philanthropy record is pretty abysmal. But the Beeboids love the fascist Mac world anyway because they mostly fit right in with the trendy hipster ethos.
Vandals attack disused Jerusalem mosque
Not a good thing but put it in proportion. Mosques are frequently attacked with explosives, generally by other Muslims. Synagogues and churches are attacked, generally by other Muslims and generally not reported by the BBC. This was graffiti and a small fire extinguished by the Jerusalem fire brigade.
What this really was was an other boiler plate attack on settlement. Check out the photograph. The standard Settlements in the West Bank are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this accompanied by a photograph nothing to do with the headline story nor Jerusalem.
It was surprising to see Newsnight attack both the Guardian and Ed Milliband in a single episode!
They must be out to prove a point after recent bias allegations re. the EU veto!
Jeff
It wasn’t really an attack Jeff. When the BBC attacks it does one sided puff pieces (usually using some lefty tool like Greg Palast) this was simply a fig leaf, so the BBC can point to Newsnight and ‘claim’ that they are not in the pocket of the Guardian.
I disagree. If someone told you that your newspaper had presented speculation as fact, or that your political party had a weak leader, I think you’d view that as a criticism! 🙂
Jeff
Must admit I didn’t see Newsnight. But I have seen many many similar in-house lefty debates. Is Neil Kinnock getting the message across? Can Michael Foot win an election? Is Tony Blair fatally tarnished by Iraq? Can Gordon Brown win an election?
It has nothing to do with the BBC’s unfaltering belief in the righteousness of the left – but has everything to do with convincing the rest of us.
Given the significance of The Guardian falsehood in closing down a British newspaper it was passed over very quickly. The item was simply another opportunity to renew their attack on the Murdoch press.
The item on Ed Milliband was in standard Newsnight mode i.e. given that all the journalists here are Labour Party voters who want a Labour government, is Ed Milliband the best choice for our Party?
If it was the Daily Mail who had made the error, and it was the Sunday Mirror which had been closed, and it was a leader of the “Tories” who were being discussed, the tone would have been very different.
Newsnight is essentialy a (dire and politically biased) television colour supplement to The Guardian.
Hi Wild – welcome back – long time no see…
I agree. For the BBC/Guardian, the hacking story has been a major obsession, even when it had gone cold in most other parts of the media. Now that it seems to have backfired in one respect, they’ve suddenly lost their appetite a little for this particular dish.
Frightening stuff from Watts Up With That:
UK police seize computers of skeptic blogger in England
The first blogger to break the Climategate2 story has had a visit from the police and has had his computers seized. Tallbloke’s Talkshop first reported on CG2 due to the timing of the release being overnight in the USA. Today he was raided by six UK police (Norfolk Constabulary and Metropolitan police) and several of his computers were seized as evidence.
Cops from the Met, Norfolk, and the Computer Crimes division came in and seized a couple computers. He’s not the one who leaked the ClimateGate2 emails, just someone who reported on news from the US about it before the media did. As Watts says, it’s hard to see what the cops thought they’d find since the guy uses WordPress and isn’t hosting anything himself.
The scariest part about this is that this was abetted by cooperation with the US Dept. of Justice. I’m sure Robin will have something about this soon.
How many bets that – if they report it – the BBC will treat this in the exact opposite way they treated St. Julian and WikiHacks? One will be a criminal hell-bent on destruction, and the other is a hero fighting for us all.
Whilst wary of jumping to conclusions without knowing full facts, I find that very sinister.
Tallbloke says he’s not a suspect, yet they are copying his drives anyway. This is all part of the US Justice Dept.’s attempt to override the rule of law to control information disseminated on the internet, and it abets the Warmist authorities in Britain crushing of dissent. It is sinister.
EGYPT.
Whatever happened to INBBC’s ‘Arab Spring’?
INBBC’s Mr LEYNE is reduced to finally facing reality – that the two largest political groups in Egypt are both Islamic: 1. Salafists, 2.) Muslim Brotherhood.
But from the tone of Leyne’s report, that’s apparently OK by him; it’s not like the doom and gloom tone of Beeboid ‘reports’ against Cameron’s veto in EU.
(inc video clip)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16173023
But:
“The Muslim Brotherhood is not credible. We want facts, not words”
And:
http://globalmbreport.org/
Is this too subtle for INBBC’s Cairo bureau?:-
Muslim Brotherhood’s Yusuf al-Qaradawi calls for “gradualism” in applying Sharia
According to Guido Margaret Moran is due in court today.
Anyone want to bet the BBC ignores it or if they do report the case the world ‘Labour’ will be missing from the headline?
I think you can keep your money.
Last entry via the BBC’s own (admitedly dire) search engine seems to be October.
Headlined as ‘an MP’… from Luton.
Well, there’s this one. Four former MPs mentioned but apparantly belonging to no party whatsoever.
BBC5live news this morning approx 08.40
lots of side swipes at V.Putin going on tv answering any questions
inc those of protestors in Russia, in something like “Vlad” ll fix it.
Laughably our morning mush-heads, start insinuating
… wait for it … impartiality of the BBC??? 😀
“if he came on 5live, he ed have to really answer questions etc”
WHAT!!!! … i know from experience … after nailing a couple of poster boys
live … its worse than the inquisition, a total fabrication, worse than the stazi.
These so called journo s, really do believe their “legend in their own mind”
B/S … putin/el beeb … broadcast control
ha ha ha ha ha ha
like siamese twins they are … well oi larfed … i did
AND … TA RA!
the usual 5live “Your Call” Islam love fest … on Iraq
as if any more, example was needed.
mind you .. hilariously not helped by f-ckwit Obamas
are you being served speech …
ala … “you ve all done very well” 😀 … thank you, and goodnight
(right .. back on the boats beore the Taliban come) 😀
p.s. perfect example, one bleeding heart, under Saddam
“my father was prevented from carrying his beloved koran??? and
from carrying his political books??? ,(hmm wonder what they were?)
to the mosque” …
and this is seen as some big point?? …
so saddam bad – box ticked … political islam good? – box ticked
brings a tear to a glass eye
Just turned it on to hear someone claim the war cost “a million lives”, an exaggeration of 5 or 10 fold (depending on who you believe). This went unchallenged.
Not entirely rebutting the argument that ecomentalism is a cult, Radio 4’s Thought for the Day featured a contriubution from John Bell, of the ‘Iona Community’ (who)? John was keen to tell us that the Canadian government’s refusal to bury their economy in a Kyoto-shaped hole was an offence against God.
Really. Canadians were compared to knife-wielding thugs and reference made to the ‘despoiling’ of creation. The idea that the existance, or otherwise, of man-made climate change was a legitimate topic for debate was not in the building. What chance a follower of a real religion being allowed to denounce actual atheists in those terms?
Ditto, even if you accept climate change is man-made, what to do about it surely a matter for debate too. There are real reasons to argue for this policy and against that one, and vice versa, but the BBC was happy to host a man denouncing those who would not accept his particular set of policies as evil, even while every report on the American right is seemingly required to reference the crazed Religious Right and its goofy ideas that killing foetues is wrong.
I too was hopping over this as I say elsewhere!
Bell dared to mention scripture and our refusal not to press the Canadians as being somehow unfaithful to God in some convoluted way.
That he had nothing to say about what the Chinese are doing to their own people in Wukan(which was the previous news item) speaks volumes for twerps like Bell…Beeb trusties and no doubt blessing all those civil partnerships as he leaves the building.
Knit me another Tartan gonk, Janet!
This highlights the most dangerous aspect of religion: the true believers feel that a higher cause is more important than human life.
So he is still alowed his propaganda piece regardless of his track record.
http://www.scottishfriendsofisrael.org/bbc_thought_day.htm
As the Beeb compile their round up of the year’s events and no doubt put an achingly left-liberal spin on the August riots, I happened on one of their BBC Three shows. No, not Snog, Marry, Avoid? (or the Muslim version Snog, Forced Marriage, Honour Killing?)
The World’s Strictest Parents. For the uninitiated – this takes unruly, lazy, disrespectful and generally spoilt or out of control British teens for a short vacation with foreign (often third world or deeply religious) families.
What the youngsters learn is the value of family, respect for elders and the value of hard work and education. What they are encouraged to ditch – apart from swearing smoking and drinking – is their sense of entitlement. A regular feature of the show is a visit to a very poor district aimed at enlightening them to own relatively cushy life.
I don’t suppose for one moment that the BBC will join the dots between the message of this show and domestic policy toward youngsters.
Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16192494
‘Study reveals’?!? Shouldn’t that be ‘study claims’?
Or do the BBC assume that the study’s methodology must have been flawless, and the 20% figure is beyond question (even allowing for different definitions of rape)?
Jeff
PS On the topic of rape, I wonder if this BBC will be covering this story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074437/Rapist-asylum-seeker-dumped-victim-rubbish-tip-released-dodging-deportation.html
Or this one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074339/Cry-rape-slap-wrist-Teenage-girl-lies-left-man-prison-savagely-beaten-gets-80-fixed-penalty-notice.html
PPS According to the New York Times
‘Nearly one in five women surveyed said they had been raped or had experienced an attempted rape at some point, and one in four reported having been beaten by an intimate partner.’
From http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html?_r=1 :
Maybe someone should tell the BBC that attempted rape and actual rape aren’t the same thing…
Jeff
… snd s drunkn furgle that you were happy to participate in at the time is not, ‘…an attempted rape’.
‘‘Study reveals’?!? Shouldn’t that be ‘study claims’?’
As a matter of corporate editorial guideline, professional journalistic practice and free of personal conflcit, noting a *sigh* BBC representative has dipped into correct a possible inexactitude eslewhere, I’d be keen to hear their view on this.
Globalworm Dani S Has the #US got a problem with #rape? Want to get your reaction. Get in touch if you want to be on BBC radio and join conversation #WHYS
Hey, they want your views!
Just, make probably best to make sure they are the right ones if you want to join the conversation!
Or be a really extreme type from a victimhood quango/charity… they like them too.
Re: ‘has the #US got a problem with #rape?’
What a stupid question!
It’s like asking ‘Has Britain got a problem with murder?’.
Until such time as a country is free of a particular type of crime, it can be said to have a problem with it…
Jeff
Don’t forget that BBC staff do not read their own guidelines.
“Other organisations often claim they have conducted a survey – or a poll – when what they actually have is a self-selecting questionnaire of some sort. The results may be interesting and newsworthy, but we should not necessarily accept claims about how representative they are at the face value of a press release; we should not report them in a way which leads our audience to believe they are more robust than they are. If they are of no statistical value and appear to have been promoted only to generate attention for a particular cause or publication, we should exercise real scepticism and consider not using them at all, especially when they are concerned with serious or controversial issues.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/page/guidance-polls-surveys-full#surveys-and-questionnaires
Even the people who conducted the survey are not as confident as the BBC in their results.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/state_tables.html
I see that the headline has changed from ‘Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals’ to ‘Rape affects almost 20% of US women, study says’.
Maybe, for a change, the BBC didn’t just file my complaint in the bin! LOL!
Jeff
Who wants to bet this will become the BBC’s favourite airline!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074442/Thai-airline-PC-Air-takes-skies-ladyboy-flight-attendants.html
Of course, BBC’s NUJ not only imposes politically leftist opinion on licencepayers, but NUJ uses its position inside the BBC to lobby against ‘cuts’.
NUJ to its NUJ membership inside the BBC:-
“Seven days to go …. to tell the BBC Trust to stop the cuts, save journalists’ jobs and support a quality broadcast service”
http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=2348
“support a quality broadcast service”
reaches for cloth to wipe screen
what a ridiculous statement
BBC Radio 4 ‘preaching to the converted’?
Some would contend that Radio 4 only caters for a liberal-minded atheistic lefty elite.
2.15pm today the Afternoon Play : God Bless Our Love ‘a priest and a nun who fall in love and leave their orders to marry’.
Next week : Allah al akhbar ‘a Sunni Iman and the daughter of a Shia family who fall in love and go on the run in fear for their lives’ (or perhaps that’s just her ….?)
Anyway I was only kidding. I just made up the second ludicrous scenario as a concept for a bit of drama and I’m sharing it with others for the sake of making a political point….Oh I guess that’s ecactly what the Beeb are up to….
kevinbakhurst Kevin Bakhurst Interesting that Hungary and Czech Republic say they won’t join any new Treaty if it means giving up their independent tax policies #Euro
How interesting once broadcast viewers are served the news, I wonder?
More and more we see the house of cards that is the euro is falling apart, the 200 billion Euros is not new money and now more Countries like Hungary and the Czech Republic are saying that can’t agree to it.
It makes the BBC’s rabid anti Cameron reporting look even more pathetic.
The Euro is a stinking shit hole we should stay well away from and if the Lib Dems had any sense they’d do the same.
Lib Dems – Sense ??? Optimistic, Martin. 🙂
Lib Dems can be quite partial to stinking shit holes, I’ve heard.
Heard Chris Grayling being taken to task by a yoof panel as set up by the Toady Show this morning.
Did I hear correctly?…an eighteen year mother of a three year old complaining about her lack of choices because of the Toricutz?…another still squauking about the end of EMA?
Yet this first kid…a mum at fifteen…is not once taken as anything other than entitled to “rispek”…and Grayling was a unctuous to her as to everybody else…
I see a reality show looming for Thatchers granddaughter here…Blair and his ilk were in another dimension at this time apparently!
Agreed, cj. Pretty weak stuff. The only one of the three who had an actual point was the young man wanting an apprenticeship. No easy answers to that one. Zubeida Malik trotted out the two girls to support a Narrative that turned out to be false. Did she know and went ahead with it anyway, or did she and the Today producers just assume they had it right without bothering to check?
An article on BBC, E.U., Estonia, Cameron, and emotions,etc.
“Exposed: the snobbery and intolerance of the EU elite”
by F. Furedi.
[excerpt]:-
“As I drive along listening to the BBC Radio 4 show, The World At One, I am left in no doubt as to this programme’s deep hostility to prime minister David Cameron’s decision to veto changes to the EU Lisbon Treaty.
“When the presenter, the usually sensible Martha Kearney, asks Andrus Ansip, the prime minister of Estonia, if he thinks there is increasing anger in the EU over Cameron’s actions, I realise that something very weird is going on. Why ask the leader of a small Baltic state how he feels about the prime minister of Britain? Since when have the emotions of foreign political leaders been a serious topic of concern for a programme titled The World At One?
“Kearney does not simply pose the question to Ansip; she prefaces it with comments about how other EU leaders are very angry at Cameron. Nevertheless, her attempt to incite her interviewee to reinforce the BBC consensus on the state of European emotionalism doesn’t quite succeed. ‘I am not angry’, replies Ansip. Possibly he is too ‘old Europe’ and too old school to be conversant in the values of today’s communications clerisy, which cleaves to the doctrine of emotional correctness. Ansip disagrees with Cameron but he does not suffer from the emotional incontinence demanded of him by the BBC.”
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11892
Martha Kearney would have happily asked von Ribbentrop what he thought of Churchills taste in drapes.
On this information, Churchill would have been “out of step with the European consensus”…how could we dare question the united Europe emerging between Hitler and Stalin…and surely we`d be consigned to the guards van…sealed and only to be opened when conditions are right…and here`s Herr Heydrich to tell us what we need to do in order to satisfy said criteria.
As for Martha…well all she does is read it. Job done and pension copper-bottomed.
“New York Times columnist Roger Cohen…characterised Tory Eurosceptics as the ‘pinstriped effluence of an ex-imperial nation’…a bunch of insular snobs who seem to have a hard time restraining their inner fascist’.
If Roger Cohen’s grandparents had not emigrated from central Europe to the “British Empire” their ashes would have probably lined the crematorium at Auschwitz, and if Roger Cohen (Westminster- Balliol – Wall Street Journal – New York Times) refrained for a moment from sneering at the “pin stripe” aspiration of the bourgeois, he might reflect that it was the “effluence” of snobs in Britain (as he so poetically describes it) who helped to defeat Fascism in Continental Europe, motivated (in no little part) by their “snobbish” Eurosceptic desire to defend our English liberties. Given that Roger Cohen (a seasoned Israel and USA hater) uses this liberty to praise the “tranquillity” of Iran I take his fervent support for the EU as evidence for the prosecution.
Hey, the BBC has done a report after all on some internet moguls complaining about the looming draconian Internet Piracy Act. They even get it mostly right. Of course, they left out the fact that Rep. Smith who introduced the bill is in the pockets of the music and tv industry. They also left out one of the craziest parts of the bill: it would force Microsoft, Mozilla, and Google to completely recode their browsers at great expense.
I still find it strange that Rory Cellan-Jones hasn’t made a big fuss about this, as it will affect everyone in the world who uses those browsers, never mind anyone who would be affected if the US Government shuts down websites whenever they please. No “Analysis” inset, nor can I find a blogpost from him about it.
He was unhappy when Amazon decided not to sell a paedophile handbook, but this seems not to be equally worthy of his time.
Aww, poor Mark Mardell is disappointed that his beloved Obamessiah praised the US troops and said Iraq and the world were a better place since we invaded. Bummer for you, Mark.
As he writes editorials and is not an objective journalist in any sense, he freely gives his opinion that the war in Iraq was “foolish”.
Of course, logically, you can show courage and resolution in a foolish cause.
you got to hand it to BBC, it really is amazing how they can take the piss with the money they get from the licence fee, the BBC is full of a bunch off cunts and bum boysToday, 23:07:34– Like – Reply –
INBBC: the Olympics, the Islamic jihad threat and the military.
INBBC neglects to mention that the military security at the London Olympics is aimed largely against the Islamic jihad threat which is present within and outside Britain.
Will the military accept Islamic ‘no-go’ areas of e.g. East London?
“LABOUR WON THE BY ELECTION” is the cheery headline I got from Radio 5 this morning.
Dame Nikki and Rachel Burden were ‘bouncing around’ on Radio 5 this morning.
‘Game on’ is the BBC mindset.
It says on the front page ‘
Labour wins Feltham by-election
Labour holds the Feltham and Heston seat in a by-election, with an 8% swing away from the Conservatives
Well chaps, the key point is the turn out was 28.8%. So 55% voted Labour, thats around 15% of the electorate and that is ‘a swing away from the Conservatives?’
Could it be that in these hard economic times 15% of the population are on benefits???! And the rest thought ‘what the hell’?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16187493
I would also be interested to know what proportion were postal votes – but the BBC chose not to tell me this.
“The collapse of politics”
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/12/collapse-of-politics.html
Speaking of collapses. On at least one occasion this morning a 5live broacaster spoke of the “collapse of the Conservative vote” (down a little over 6%), but no mention of a collapse of the lib dem vote – down almost 8%.
Deborah
According to this surprisingly downbeat assessment by Michael White of the Labour triumph http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/dec/16/feltham-heston-byelection-cava-ed-labour last time the postal vote in F&H was 21% of the total one. Not wishing to be accused of racism on this one, I’ll just note that a large proportion of the electorate look to South Asia for their spiritual homelands: homelands, I would add, where electoral fraud is not unknown. Even so there was no way Labour were going to lose this one. IMHO it was a verdict on the worthlessness of voting and “sitting on your hands – they’re all the bloody same” came in with more than 70% of the vote.
Christopher HITCHENS.
In reporting his death, INBBC concentrate on the earlier part of his political life when he was a ‘leftwing’ socialist. not on the later part of his political life when he was a critic of Islam.
2 video clips:
1.)
“Christopher Hitchens on misconceptions about Islamic terrorism”
2.)
“Christopher Hitchens About Islam in Britain after 7/7 (1/2)”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16212418
Hitchens,more anti-theist than atheist,is promoted as a “ferocious” intellect,naturally,as he fitted the bbc antichristian worldview perfectly
apparently he knew the biblical text “intimately”……..pity he just couldn’t understand it
this is not a gloat……more of a salutory warning
Luke 16 v 19-31
It is a sad sad day indeed, as we can no longer hear,(or read), this “take no prisoners”, master of debate at work, ferocious critic of religion, in particular the dangerous ideology/dressed as religion, Islam. defender of freedom of speech, skilfull orator, excellent writer.
Witty, sharp as a razor, acidic, precise … on so many issues
a great great loss.
just listen in
http://youtu.be/z1_Uz4H8zv0
or here brilliant in constained time
http://youtu.be/J7aS7m3odqI
And predictably, who does BBC-NUJ’s Radio 4 ‘World at One’ get
as sole opinionator on Christopher Hitchens:
but Marxist, Tariq Ali.
An essay, in 2 parts on Christopher HITCHENS:
“Second Thoughts”
by David Horowitz
Part 1
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243397/second-thoughts-david-horowitz?pg=1
Part 2
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243398/second-thoughts-part-2-david-horowitz?pg=1
Well said again sir!
Salutory too in that the BBCs eulogies end up mocking him too.
On “Last Word”, he was described as “fearless” in shafting Mother Theresa…that this could in any way described as courageous only shows what the BBC rate as heroic.
Webb this morning managed twice in the few minutes he had to put the point that Hitchens was “anti-religious”, so this got him a posthumous Blue Peter badge…but his take on Islam?…who`s to say?…Islamofascism?…hmmm!
If the BBC lionise you,chances are that God will consider that all you`ll have been wanting when here on earth.
Didn`t like the reference to Martin Amis having an almost “fraternal” relationship with Hitchens either…as if he had no brother worth mentioning!
Can`t imagine that Peter might have some feelings worth respecting at this awful and confusing time…like Dowler and Speed, the BBC see another shroud worthy of their needlepoint!
No mention that Hitch became a NeoCon.
Wato reportored that Hitchens status changed from being ‘far left’ to ‘one who supported the Iraq war’. Interesting to just stop and think about it – but surely a non sequitur?