37 Responses to A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY?

  1. cjhartnett says:
    December 17, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    The BBCs coverage of this has very much been of the hare and hounds variety…which is far better than the usual bile they throw up round the whole topic.
    The BBCs take on this has been to hope that bigger humanists than themselves might slag Cameron off, but-as yet-no serious takers!
    Maybe Hitchens death has got them all thinking…but certainly, the BBC would LOVE a scrap about it.
    Dawkins must be off on his Christmas holidays already!…ah bless!
    Following the Euro hare and hounds of late, I`m beginning to wonder if nanny has disapproved or matron has been witholding her cards or something.Nowhere near as rabid about the EU now that the polls have shown the Beeb to be utterly disconnected from the rest of us!

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    • Alfie Pacino says:
      December 17, 2011 at 8:24 pm

      Dawkins wasn’t on holiday, but rather on SKY. He acknowledged that in terms of culture and the influence the King James Bible has had on the ‘literature’ of this nation we are indeed, Christian, so even on SKY he wasn’t singing quite the tune they thought when inviting him for interview.

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      • Reed says:
        December 17, 2011 at 9:11 pm

        Even Dawkins acknowledges that he is ‘culturally Christian’.

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        • noggin says:
          December 18, 2011 at 1:42 pm

          camercon … anything more than a soundbite? … i sincerely hope so.    
          nothing concrete, somewhere in the future, as we look ahead down the road …  concerted action? hmmm the proof will be “in the (erm christmas 😀 )           pudding, hey, remember “multiculti has failed”, just before breaking their necks to engraciate themselves with the OIC, and considering the appalling pandering going on with  that odious tool warsi (now OIC) hmm  
          ie … all NOTHING to do with christianity,  
          you know it is almost impossible to imagine him with an original thought, even this smacks of being exceedingly blairish   
             
          I can t help feeling an insidious policy link coming, to whats going on over the pond, all this raising the religion up the agenda, cosy chats with the OIC on blasphemy law, just like obama all for the benefit of one in particular, just like obama … hmm            
          ie … all NOTHING to do with christianity ….  
          He is such an airhead lightweight … even  if i  was asked what i thought camercon had on his mind, there is a contradiction … camercon & thought … even camercon and a mind  
          I wait to be surprised … I like surprises …especially at Christmas.   

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  2. ltwf1964 says:
    December 17, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I don’t believe that ANY country can be termed a “Christian country”

    especially as many of the ruling elite are out and out atheists

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    • john in cheshire says:
      December 17, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      Unfortunately, if we allow that to pertain then the muslims will have won. Europe, eventually, turned back the tide of islam, and retained Christianity as the main religion for several hundred years. European countries are predominantly Christian and it is because of that the continent was so fecund and prolific. To allow that our Christian heritage is no better than anyone else’s is to allow our enemy’s forces to prevail. Being a Christian country doesn’t mean everyone has to be a Christian. That’s the beauty of Christianity; we can live with dissenters. Unfortunately (as with muslims and atheists) dissenters find it difficult to live with us. So, when push comes to shove, we all have to decide on which side of the  line we stand. All things eventually boil down to a black and white decision.

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      • DP111 says:
        December 17, 2011 at 8:16 pm

        From the link above in Lord Sacks: “Has Europe Lost its Soul?”

        Let me begin with a striking passage from Niall Ferguson’s recent book, Civilisation. In it he tells of how the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences was given the task of discovering how the West, having lagged behind China for centuries, eventually overtook it and established itself in a position of world pre-eminence. At first, said the scholar, we thought it was because you had more powerful guns than we had. Then we concluded it was because you had the best political system. Then we realised it was your economic system. “But in the past 20 years, we have realised that the heart of your culture is your religion: Christianity. That is why the West has been so powerful. The Christian moral foundation of social and cultural life was what made possible the emergence of capitalism and then the successful transition to democratic politics. We don’t have any doubt about this.”

        http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/royal-holloway-college-holds-islamic.html

        The Chinese scholar, understandably, is concerned only about matters pertaining to industrial and scientific prowess, and the resultant power that follows from it. But the Christian faith, particularly the Reformation gave rise to also the separation of state from the church, human rights movements, liberal democracy, abolition of slavery, the compassionate treatment of defeated and wounded soldiers, the Red Cross, social services, universal education, and much more.

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      • andrew slack says:
        December 18, 2011 at 5:46 pm

        I class myself as an atheist, but have no problem with the religious faith of others. I would never try to change the faith of others but would give them my views if asked. I always think that whatever gets you through life in these challenging times is fine by me. Christian, Jew, Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Atheist or just Agnostic, as long as those beliefs aren’t forced on anyone else then that’s fine by me. 

        It just seems that religious extremism and intolerance is raising its ugly head in many faiths around the globe and that can only be worrying.

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    • Geyza says:
      December 19, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      Of course this is a Christian country.  Our head of state is head of the Church of England. Our traditional laws are all directly rooted within Christian Scriptuture and our entire history is one of Christianity.

      We are not, in any way shape or form, a secular country.  We welcome all faiths and none, but this nation is rooted firmly in Christianity.

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  3. james1070 says:
    December 17, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Interestingly one of the commentators is Robert Piggot a BBC religious affairs correspondent.    
       
    He faked an interview at a catholic parish church , to promote the views of a dissenter not linked with the church.    
       
    North London parish protests over BBC report    
       
       
    How many other instances of fakery have the BBC done?

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    • ian says:
      December 17, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      Disgusting. Next thing they’ll be infiltrating the East London mosque and trying to liberalise its teachings, too  🙁

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:
      December 18, 2011 at 6:16 am

      I laughed at how Piggott was concerned that Cameron appeared to use Christian principles to promote something other than Socialist values.

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      • noggin says:
        December 18, 2011 at 5:27 pm

        “the devious way, Robert Pigott, the BBC Religious Correspondent and his department has deceived the parish, the public”

        hmmm that would be religious programming department …
        who runs that i wonder?

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  5. Teddy Bear says:
    December 17, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Prime Minister David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country “and we should not be afraid to say so”.

    One can wonder therefore why he has been so silent in condemning attacks on ‘fellow’ Christians in the Arab Spring countries, let alone Rowan Williams the spineless leader of the Church here, but that’s another story.
    For this story it’s what the BBC define as ‘But how have the comments been received across the UK?’
    ACROSS THE UK? – I don’t see anything like my point of view included there, nor I imagine, most of us here.

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  6. George R says:
    December 17, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Update for Islam Not BBC (INBBC) on Islamic state terror in Saudi Arabia.

    INBBC had this:

    “Saudi woman executed for ‘witchcraft and sorcery'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16150381

    ‘Jihadwatch’ has this:

    Saudi woman beheaded for sorcery was killed “in three stages,” “the beheading was performed gradually”

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  7. Martin says:
    December 17, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    The BBC has been attacking cameron all day on what he said. Funny that Sky News showed a poll tonight giving the Tories a 6 point lead over Labour, SIX POINTS!!!!

    Now I also suspect that a large majority will also agree with Cameron (I do even though I’m not a fan of religion) and this MUST be sending the beeboids crazy, their beloved Red Ed is really awalking joke, he’s Gordon Brown but with two eyes.

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    • james1070 says:
      December 18, 2011 at 12:53 am

      I was rather shocked about what Cameron said. It is perhaps the bravest speech he has given. It was a well argued and a rational speech.

      It illustrated that our language, literature, art, architecture and music have been influenced by Christian culture. And he included artists like El Greco or Michaelangelo and musicians like Bach and Handel, and they weren’t even English. So by that he is admitting that Christianity is the soul of Europe.

      This speech was highlighted by an excellent documentary on BBC 4 this evening about the history of Christmas music. I have to admit it, hats off to the Beeb on this one. there was a beautiful Anglican choir singing music from the last 1000 years. There was no sneering and the documentary was played straight. The only problem was it should have been on BBC2. And unlike most identicut BBC documentaries this had a fresh and original feel about it, very much like their documentaries from the 1970’s.

      So for one evening a year I can say that the Beeb was back up the the standards of my childhood. How did this pass the censor? 🙂

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      • John Horne Tooke says:
        December 18, 2011 at 1:15 am

        Oh dear – A Spaniard,Italian and two Germans. He should have mentioned Gounod to please the French.

        😉

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      • jarwill101 says:
        December 18, 2011 at 7:32 am

          BBC4 is rather like a besieged enclave, surrounded by a dominant neo-Marxist beeboid ‘progressive narrative’ of cultural relativity, but, now & again, very capable of raising its head above the parapet, & broadcasting quality programmes that celebrate the remarkable achievements of British/European Christian culture –  for the time being. But all will be, is being, re-written.
          When Mehdi Hasan becomes DG, we’ll have endless, insidious programmes telling us that muslims really are the master race: the collective genius that actually brought us the Industrial Revolution. For, of course, muslims have always really been amongst us – wasn’t Edward Elgar a shi’ite? The mass lunacy of Ayatollah Khomeini’s funeral, the beheading of teachers for daring to educate girls, or the stuffing of explosives up suicide bombers’ bottoms, literally ‘bum bandits’, will be quietly erased. No, we must learn to feel the ‘enrichment’ – even if it doesn’t exist. ‘One Love! One Heart! Let’s get together & obliterate Christianity!’ No wonder the News/Current affairs beeboids are miffed by Cameron standing up & testifying.   
          Over the last year or so, I’ve enjoyed programmes on electricity, the atom, chemistry, churches, classical music, & a documentary on the ‘horribly white’ Dr Feelgood. Programmes that reminded me that this is how the BBC should be, &, as james 1070 rather poignantly commented, ‘back up to the standards of my childhood.’
          Unfortunately, the enclave is sometimes infiltrated by forces hell bent on promoting an alien, arid, literally desert culture, that regards science, art, music, public festivals, all non-Islamic rituals, as idolatry. A culture diametrically opposed to ours: bristling with intolerance, madness & gobbledegook, & one I want nothing whatsoever to do with. All I want from Islam, & its army of raving moon jockeys, with their black battle flags & stagnant minds, is…..distance.

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      • Millie Tant says:
        December 18, 2011 at 1:03 pm

        The PM has spoken before several times about right and wrong. It is no surprise to me to hear him speaking like this. I think he saw the behaviour of the rioters as that of people who have no sense of right and wrong because they have grown up without any moral sense being instilled in them by parents, church or school. (And shall we mention that morality-free zone, the National Broadcaster?)

        So where did we get morality from when people did have a notion of right and wrong and how to behave? From the Christian framework, practice and upbringing. Without it, what do you have? Labour obsessions, lies, manipulation, indoctrination and class hatred – a poisonous concoction. Already we see a younger generation spouting nothing but Labour-indoctrinated phrases and weasel words  (multcult, the D word) about a few special causes but have not an ounce of originality of thought, perception or any broad framework of values. I think that is where he is coming from.  

        Also I think he has been stung by blatant political attacks by the Weirdy Beardy on the government for purely opportunist party political reasons.  So he’s hitting back but he also sees the lack in the current Cof E of any robust defence of spiritual or moral values beyond its special Party affiliations and causes.

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    • Barry says:
      December 18, 2011 at 2:07 pm

      At this rate, Cameron’s in danger of turning into a half decent Conservative PM. Probably what the BBC is afraid of.

      Go on Cameron, trust your instincts! Be brave! And yes, upset people if necessary.

      Nobody respects a coward.

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  8. james1070 says:
    December 18, 2011 at 2:36 am

    Mr Cameron claimed that Christianity formed English culture, here is a clip to  prove that, despite what ever Ebenezer Dawkins (who by the way is a white African) may claim.

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  9. OWEN MORGAN says:
    December 18, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I don’t think Christianity is the only religion not tolerated by the bbc.    The bbc is as anti-Jewish as it can be, too.

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    • ian says:
      December 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      It didn’t mind giving air time to “Rabbi” Julia Neuberger until she retired. But then

      (1) she was a lefty
      (2) she was a woman
      (3) most Jews are orthodox and don’t believe in female rabbis.

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    • deegee says:
      December 19, 2011 at 8:22 am

      I don’t believe the BBC is anti Jewish at least not in the way it is anti Christian. So long as it can be reduced to the occassional article on food or festivals or WWII (the ‘good’ war) the BBC is content to give it approximately the coverage that Judaism’s percentage of the British population warrants. IMHO the religions which are ignored are Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism and receive much less attention than their percentage of the population should warrant.

      The BBC does not campaign against things Jewish. It does however campaign against Israel. It handles the cognitive dissonance of the connection between ‘good’ Jews reducible to food, festivals and WWII and ‘bad’ Israelis, essentially by ignoring it.

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  10. My Site (click to edit) says:
    December 18, 2011 at 11:01 am

    There a video doing the rounds of police treatment of ‘rioters’ in Eygpt that I will be interested to see the BBC and its fellow travellers’ reaction to on a variety of counts, from Arab Springing to police tactics to cultural sensistivities…

    Certainly the boys from the balconies who were so keen on all they were privileged to ‘witness’. Alagiah, Bowen, Mair, etc.

    Maybe a few of the girls could chip in, even some of the women at Aunty, though considering how muted they were about the US reporter’s rape I guess stamping on the stripped down torso of a defenceless woman is simply another ‘unique’ for the £4Bpa propaganda monopoly to ignore or sideline in favour of the weekend post-Strictly gush.

    And before the cherry vutures get excited, if it is not top of the hour, front of home page, I am afraid it doesn’t count. And even then, if they only eventually get round to it having been shamed into it… simply ask yourselves why before leaping here to snipe yoursleves in the foot.

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  11. As I See It says:
    December 18, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Here is the typically BBC opening to their anti message –

    ‘But how have the comments been received across the UK?’

    The give away is the ‘But‘, ie we the BBC (being institutionally biased in favour of marxist and atheistic thought) can’t let a Tory PM get away with such comments without our (sorry, some outsourced) rebuttal.

    The measure of the BBC’s success in this propaganda war that has now been going on for years is the CofE non-comment, ‘The Church of England was contacted for a response but said it would prefer not to comment.’

    Words fail me.

    Reverend Sally Hitchiner? Of course she is on Twitter and loves The West Wing (but God, mostly)

    Right on!

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  12. George R says:
    December 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Another historical study on Christianity and Islam for INBBC to censor:

    “Islam and Christianity: The Roots of Europe’s Religious Identity”

    by Richard L. Rubenstein (December 2011)

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/102790/sec_id/102790



    Also:


    “Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited: An Introduction to the History of a Controversy”

    by Emmet Scott (December 2011)

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/102793/sec_id/102793


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  13. Dick says:
    December 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Aside from Morning Worship, the BBC have two “religious” programmes on Radio 4 on Sundays.  There is first the oxymoronic “Something Understood”, a series of unfocused subjective meanderings, without any conclusion let alone anything being understood. Inexplicably, this dire nonsense is repeated in the evening.  Then there is the “Sunday” programme, which reports on religious “news”.  How can religious “news” have any significance, when spiritual ideas are virtually never discussed?  The programmes focuses on all the problems of religion in general, Christianity in particular, and Catholicism most particularly.  We are never allowed to hear the truths of faith or the huge benefits that the Christian faith has brought to mankind.  Those representing Christianity are invariably of a modernist and/or liberal bent, who at best damn the faith with faint praise if not actually providing succour for its detractors.

    it is not that long ago that we used to hear Compline late at night.  I yearn for Gerald Priestland, who although a bit semi-detached from Christianity, was scrupulously fair.

    Is it any coincidence that these dire changes have occurred first under an atheist, and more recently a Muslim, head of “religious broadcasting”?

    Why do we have to pay for this dreadful assault on our precious Christian faith and heritage?

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  14. cjhartnett says:
    December 19, 2011 at 10:09 am

    They do say that deaths can come in threes!
    So Hitchens, Havel and Kim all die within days of each other.
    Havel once said that evil does need naming, but Communism made it difficult with all its “devolution committees” and “enquiries of the bureaucracies” etc…as well as all manner of concocted notions of democratic participation, solidarity and other weasel words hollowed of all meaning. Basically all Czechs were co-opted and made to share the blame for the communist depravity that they lived through.
    Unlike a “conventional dictatorship” as he puts it.
    So BBC…NuLabor…so quangocratic as well.
    Even from beyond the grave, Havel was able to let us see Kims death as mattering in a different way from the likes of his.
    Havel, Bonner?…a bad year to lose great people like these.

    As I write these few lines I think of Jackie Ashley giving advice to Ed Milhouse in the Guardian as her hubby bowdlerises Christianity and Camerons on his radio show simultaneously…the cultural nomenklatura are alive and well, as well as well featherbedded to ruminate as Havel himself would have noted!
    I`m going to miss him!

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