WHEN NOT IN ROME….

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Some helpful advice here on the BBC for female journalists how to ‘be safe’ in Muslim countries – by staying covered and staying fit enough to outrun the rapists.


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19 Responses to WHEN NOT IN ROME….

  1. Durotrigan says:
    March 9, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    The question is this: do they give the same advice to female journalists entering Tower Hamlets or Bradford? If not, why not?

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  2. Dazed-and-Confused says:
    March 9, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    How about some help for a Female reporter in Luton?

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    • Demon1001 says:
      March 10, 2012 at 12:26 am

      I abhor the BNP as much as I do the UAF and these Muslim extremists, but how long would a BNP speaker be allowed to call for Policemen to rot in Hell before he would find his collar ruffled? Not long I dare say.

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  3. cjhartnett says:
    March 9, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Sexist maaan!
    Following on from the EUs recent racist advert, I think the BBC and the EU are both instiutionally sexist and racist…and therefore need to be closed down for deep cleansing.
    Are these ladies saying that they feel less safe in Amman or Cairo than they do in Rochdale or Bradford then?…if I gave this kind of advice to girls going up to those kind of towns Trevor Phillips wouls surely be wanting to know…

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  4. London Calling says:
    March 9, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    What, no tips for Muslim rapists how to outrun the foxy little Beeberellas? Come on they deserve it, immodestly dressed on those bBC sofas. Lara Logan, she got what’s coming, eh? 

    Nothing like the bBC confronting the ugliest face of Islam, female submission.

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  5. RCE says:
    March 9, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I can’t see the wood for all those trees.

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  6. RCE says:
    March 9, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    I can’t see the wood for all those trees.

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  7. Ian says:
    March 10, 2012 at 1:23 am

    The BBC Dave Spart lecture

    Er,  centuries of British oppression….slavery…..rich women whipping native Americans…deserve all they get…imperialist cows…

    (You’re sacked – head of equalities)

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  8. David Preiser (USA) says:
    March 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Hey, BBC: does this mean that the following bit from your introduction to Shariah Law is utter BS?


    Sharia should promote gender equality. In fact, the natural Islamic tendency is to always consider women as the weaker sex in need of care and protection, and come down hard on the men who allow their womenfolk to get into difficulties.

    Or are the people against whom you’re warning not proper Muslims?  Surelly the above wasn’t an atempt to sanitize caveman behavior as part of some agenda. Let’s hear it, then.

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    • Wally Greeninker says:
      March 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm

      If you read the extract carefully you’ll notice that it is the male relative (who should always accompany one or more Muslim woman if they go out in public) would be to blame for  any difficulies they may encounter. Without such accompaniment they should stay at home or else get what is coming to them.

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      • Millie Tant says:
        March 10, 2012 at 9:20 pm

        In which section of that long screed is that to be found? I have no intention of reading a longwinded load of Beeboid blah blah about its love affair with Muslims and their beliefs or whatever the Beeboids want us to think are their beliefs. 

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:
        March 11, 2012 at 6:33 am

        Wally, you’re missing the point. The bit I’ve quoted comes at the end of the section of a personal opinion defending Islam against charges of cruelty and a lack of compassion. Sure, we’re abjured not to take this as an official ruling, but there is no other opinion offered, and don’t try to tell me that the BBC chose a fringe opinion for this feature. After a laughable dismissal of concerns about chopping off hands and stonings, the woman goes on to basically admit that it’s expected that Muslim men will attack unaccompanied women. This is sanitized as “get into trouble”. And then says that men who allow their womenfold to “get into trouble” take heat for it.

        Since her very first words defending Islam against being synonymous with cruelty and lack of compassion are that the leaders who allow ugly behavior are not real Muslims, and then says that Islamic Law should promote gender equality, it’s reasonable to ask if the men who attack unaccompanied women are not proper Muslims. Or are they typical? It’s a discussion that needs to be had openly, rather than whitewashed when someone like Huw Edwards asks why Muslisms who kill people when someone on the other side of the globe suggests – doesn’t even light a match, but only suggests – buning a Koran, don’t act in a more “nuanced” fashion. This is all part of the intellectual failure at the BBC.

        This unique vision of Islam was chosen deliberately. They could have picked any number of top Muslim scholars, yet they decided upon this one for some unknown reason.

        Ruqaiyyah Wari Maqsood is a Christian woman who converted to Islam. Now, why would the BBC decide to use someone not born a Muslim in a Muslm country, but in Hull as Rosalyn Rushbrook? Unless, perhaps, there’s some subtle parallel to “White Girl”. Remember, we’re told to consider the larger context of BBC coverage of a given issue over a longer period of time.

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        • Millie Tant says:
          March 11, 2012 at 4:33 pm

          David, Thanks. I saw the piece about their womenfolk but I couldn’t see what Wallygreeninker was referring to – something about a male relative.

          When I began reading  that woman’s account, I thought she was talking about Christianity. The language she uses, the values, virtues and traditions that she references are Christian. Her account is suffused with it.  It is as if she took a complete set of Christian teachings, values and sensibility and draped them over Islam. It is a ridiculous account in other ways too. She talks about Muslims doing things out of mistaken belief! What does she know that they don’t? I don’t think she is an authority – or even a reliable witness – on Islam, at all.  Misleading and poor effort from the Beeboid Corporation.

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          • Wally Greeninker says:
            March 11, 2012 at 11:21 pm

            You could not see the bit of shariah I was referring to because she doesn’t mention it. It can only be inferred from the short section of what she says, quoted by David where she states that it is the men who are responsible when a muslim woman gets into difficulties  – the most obvious way that this could happen is if she went out of the house on her own, something not allowed under strict sharia. While few modern muslimsocieties find this entirely practical, the hudud laws which Zia introduced in Pakistan, which led to women who were raped being held responsible and effectively punished for it, encouraged women only to go out with an escort.

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            • Millie Tant says:
              March 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm

              So reading the extract carefully wouldn’t help.

              “If you read the extract carefully you’ll notice that it is the male relative…”

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              • Wally Greeninker says:
                March 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm

                I certainy didn’t epect the Spanish inquisition over this but ” their womenfolk” , in a system where women are seen as the virtual possessions of their fathers, husbands and eventually, even, sons, implied that the men who would be come down hard on, (I assume in terms of shame and loss of family honour) would be their male relatives.

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            • David Preiser (USA) says:
              March 12, 2012 at 3:14 pm

              Sharia Law seems to assume that Muslim men will attack unaccompanied women. Are they proper Muslims or not?

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  9. Margo Ryor says:
    March 12, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    You got to love the careful lack of ‘judgmentalism’ in this article. It seems violence towards women is only bad when White Western Men do it.

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