Yesterday, I queries the BBC view of the Falklands war all those years ago. I am reminded by a B-BBC contributor of this;
“Here’s an interesting snippet from the BBC revealing what it thinks about the Falklands and perhaps the Argentinian claim on them:
‘Thirty years after the Falkland’s War, journalist and military historian Max Hastings explores the conflict’s impact and its legacy. The Falklands could well be the last popular war Britain fights, and certainly the country’s last imperial hurrah.’
Hmmm…so the possession of the Flaklands is merely an ‘imperial hurrah’….an illegitimate occupation of the Argies land? This is John Humphry’s view from a while back:
‘A deal should be struck which establishes Argentinian sovereignty over the islands while allowing the islanders to remain British and which perhaps shares the spoils of oil exploration.’
No doubt about that…the Falklands are Argentinian.”
The view of that well known left winger Max Hastings presumably!?
Max “I don’t like Israel much” Hastings, you mean.
Max “Now I regret being a cheerleader for UK entry into the EU” Hastings.
Oh yes, Max that well know right winger?
Now then, I have noticed on comments from previous articles in this blog a little antagonism towards the Jim Dandy fellow and his strange points of view, it is uncalled for and must stop.
He is only expressing his opinion and as he says he has nothing to do with the BBC.
Nor is he paid by Dead Ed Man Walking.
His mother was absolutely and without question married when he was born and he has never been a member of the communist social workers anarchist anti-fascist party.
Furthermore he is not the long lost great grandson of Lord Haw-Haw.
He has every right to his opinion and I can assure you that he is monitored very closely at all times to ensure that he cannot escape from his cell.
He is no longer allowed onto any naughty web sites and is regularly visited by his probation officer. They do have to be changed very often though as they quickly start to suffer from severe shaking fits and blinding headaches due to crap fatigue.
Probably best if we just ignore him in future.
Positively Swiftian well done.
As always my advice is to ignore the troll.
Jim is no troll.
I rather like Dandy Jim. He has a sense of humour and sometimes talks sense. Compare that to absolute psychos like Scez. Although even he talks sense from time to time!
bbc, siding with the enemy as usual. The day that organisation shows any degree of patriotism is the day I’ll think the licence fee is a good thing. And with friends like that in our midst, Argentina has an enormous advantage in shouting about its illegitimate claims over land that is something like 400 miles off its coastline. If this is valid, then Spain should be getting worried about ownership of the Canary Islands. And Portugal over Madeira. The reason Argentina is bleating about this, again, is because they can see enormous wads of cash originating from any commercial oil finds around the Falkland Islands. And if for no other reason, our nation should once again be prepared to defend our friends who live there.
Not just oil, although that is now and will be a bonus; the big cheese is Antarctica.
More re Gibraltar but have you ever heard the BBC bring up Cwuta and Mellila when Spains claim to Gibraltar is being discussed?
Time to roll out a favourite old BBC headline of mine.
“EU rejects Falklands claim fears”
Now your thinking that the BBC has conveyed the good news. Our fear is unjustified, we may rest easy. Except it’s not our fear…
The EU constitution will not harm Argentina’s claim to the Falkland Islands, the European Commission says.
‘the Flaklands’
If a Mirage staggers that far past the seaborne defences, it may come to that… but I doubt much further:)
yes, ins’t Flaklands an estate in Essex?
If the Argentines claim to the Falklands is valid because they are only 400 miles off their coast, does that mean that Cyprus belongs to Turkey. By the way someone should suggest that the Spannish should leave Argentina to it’s indigenous population.
This could get interesting then;
The French have rights to Southern and Western England, Belgium middle England and Wales, Dutch to Northern England and Norway to Scotland.
Have I missed anything? Or perhaps the other way around? Damn it gets too complicated lets just call it the United States of Europe and make the BBC happy
North African coast of Morocco and unwanted Spanish cities and territories along there might have to be mentioned first – a reason why Spain’s claim to Gibraltar’s always been hilarious!
Still, I mustn’t start picking on Spain as they at least rightly recognise The Falklands as British.
…and Tibet belongs to china. That one will tie them in knots.
Back in 1982, I was the classic Labour idiot-Guardian reading, and oh-so-clever with my degrees etc.
I sneered at so much of it all-with good reason, and ironies abounded that I still recall. I wasn`t wrong in much of it.
But…it`s that notion of principles…freedom, sovereignty and the rule of law…when such things are at stake; and you`re in the forces…there`s a covenant to fulfil.
Thatcher would not have chosen a war to illustrate her convictions; but when she had to be resolute and not compromise with the likes of Haig and De Cuellar..that is exactly what she did.
All I“m saying is that I was not set in lavender lime green spineless aspic-it took me years to figure out that she was right in large part, and that her stand galvanised a antion.
The BBC and liberal chattering soft fruits are still in 1982 spitting venom and unable to decide whether they`re with Michael Foot the dumb scruffy patriot….or Michael Foot, the romantic pacifist.
He was both in the same days…and the Left sat on his donkey jacket, holding their picnic as he re-enacted the Nazi-Soviet pirouette nightly on the box…a clueless hypocrite who we still thank for killing the Labour Party as anything recognisably “socialist”…except in the European Nazi way that we live with today.
ChrisH:
Your story is my story, and our story is a million other stories. Thanks for sharing.
Nice of you to say so Louis.
Was in the library earlier and saw Tom Bowers book on Gordon Brown.
Turns out that Brown used to have the two Eds sandwich him when he had to face Frank Field, and the housing benefit cuts of 97/8.
Stories of Jon Snow in Cape Cod with Brown etc…and it only reminds us about the floaters in the toilet bowl left by Labour…these floaters still get the media to talk as if Labour were never in power…and indeed they ARE the media.
No wonder there is still a whiff of unfinished revolution about everything to do with Labour and the BBC/Guardian.
Toynbee was a slavering shit back then too-but at least Galloway hated Brown and rubbed his face in his mess continually. so George at least has been right for once in his life.
Basically same names, same shit-but the Beebs hacks have been paid throughout to reconfigure their perpetually dirty protest at “being British”…
You mean leftie multi-millionairess Mother Theresa “Toynbee”, who the anything BUT impartial BBC we ALL have to pay for has to sickeningly seek the ludicrously biased views of practically every feckin day?
http://order-order.com/tag/polly-toynbee/ ?
The woman’s SO embarrassingly biased that I couldn’t be bloody happier she isn’t right wing! I only wish the BBC didn’t keep topping up her bank balance with our money at the ridiculous rate it does though.
There was plenty of evidence yesterday exposed on the Open Thread of bias from several BBC on-air talent, as well as BBC News producers and News Online sub-editors. Even someone without a dog in the fight could see it.
The only thing missing was them referring to the Malvinas instead of Falklands (oh, except that image file pounce caught, which was labeled as Malvinas), and rerunning that Dr. Who episode where Tennant’s nostrils scream at the proxy Thatcher about sinking the proxy Belgrano. “They were leaving!!!!!”
Honestly, just what the hell is really British and properly representative of the vast majority of us, its British paymasters, about the British Broadcasting Corporation??
Too bad that by the time old fart Humphry’s goes six feet under that The Falklands (300 miles from your shores, Christina, not “a few kilometers”) will absolutely be every single bit as firmly sovereignly British as they are now and have been since 1765 – long before Argentina even existed in any sense of the word. Rather more likely to be hanging by even more of a thread by the time Mr Humphry’s pops off will be the truly liberty taking BBC licence fee, thank f**k!
Ok I was in the Army in 1982 as part of the British Army On The Rhine. How exactly defending British citizens is “imperialst” I don’t know. If Argentina gained control (and that will be when Hell freezes over) would that not be imperialist colony building? I do note the phrase “was it worth it?”seemds to be all the rage at the BBC these days.
In 1982 the Argentine junta invaded the Falkland’s in which to divert public attention away from the economy.
In 2012 here is what the bbC isn’t telling you:
Argentina came under a barrage of criticism at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) on Friday, where the US, the European Union (EU), Japan and 10 other countries accused it of tying up imports. Argentina’s centre-left government has imposed a raft of sometimes unorthodox import restrictions in the past few years as it battles to shield local industry and its trade surplus, which shrank 11% last year to $10,4bn.
And:
BUENOS AIRES , April 3 (Reuters) – Shares in Argentina’s biggest energy company YPF tumbled on Tuesday due to growing investor fear over a possible government plan to seize control of the oil firm. YPF’s U.S.-listed shares fell 15.5 percent to a three-year low on Monday, a holiday in Argentina, battered by weekend media reports that said President Cristina Fernandez had made up her mind on the need for the state to control YPF. The reports said Fernandez, who has previously nationalized private pension funds and the nation’s flag-carrier airline, could opt for an outright expropriation or the purchase of a stake.YPF, which is controlled by Spanish oil major Repsol , has been under intense government pressure to boost oil and natural gas output as a surging fuel import bill erodes the country’s trade surplus.
So how many people knew that the argentine economy is in shit state. Puts a new light on the whole Falklands belongs to Argentina angle as pushed by the bBC doesn’t it. Gee I wonder why they haven’t mentioned any of the above?
John Simpson made the ‘shit state’ of the Argentine economy a key element of his piece on Today. See here for the related web article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17576856
The BBC did not push the angle you say they pushed.
Jim, he may have made made “The ‘shit state’ of the Argentine economy a key element of his piece on Today.”
But it comes back to what I like to BBC Zen Reporting i.e.
“If a Beeboid reports the news at stupid o’clock in the morning and there’s no one up to hear him, has he still reported the news?”
Wow, Jim Lad, I take my peg leg off to you for sticking up for the bBC. But while John (they were not terorrists but misguided criminals) Simpson may have pointed out how the rest of the world arne’t happy with the whore of Argentina. You have to read through a load of crap about how belligerent the Uk is before you get to:
“On Friday, 40 countries – including the US, the European Union nations and Japan – attacked Argentina angrily at the World Trade Organisation”
Sorry did, you blink? Here it is again:
“On Friday, 40 countries – including the US, the European Union nations and Japan – attacked Argentina angrily at the World Trade Organisation”
But just in case anybody did catch the above, the bBC ensures your mind is soon taken away by attacking the US:
“Like Bolivia and Venezuela, Argentina has now cut its links with US policy on drug control, forcing the American Drug Enforcement Administration to leave the country.”
The whole premise of my post was in how just like in 1982, Argentina is stricken by economic woes and how better to change the subject than by- And she believes it could go wider than that: “We’re supporting Spain in its claim to Gibraltar, and we hope Spain will support us.” -talking about how bad the Uk is. Did you see what I did, that is what the bBC does day in day out in its biased news coverage. I mean the bBC has had no problem promoting the view that the most modern air defence destroyer in the RN has been sent down south. The thing is it isn’t going until tomorrow. A bloody month the bBC has been upping the ante with the ante war crowd about how sending HMS Dauntless down south in which to escort Prince William is a bad publicity move. Err he came back weeks ago. As I said at the time the closest he would get to Dauntless is when he get home to London.
I wonder why Fernandez’s chum Cerruti didn’t instead say “we’re supporting Morocco in its claim to Spanish territories along Morocco’s coast”..?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapa_del_sur_de_Espa%C3%B1a_neutral.png
The pirate metaphor is very funny indeed. Can I suggest though that in this case you are being one eyed and parroting your usual line.
The British regained The Falklands in 1982. The BBC have been trying to give them back to the Argies ever since.
If you asked most people to name three things connected to Maggie Thatcher, the victory in The Falklands would be one of them. Which is why the BBC have spent so much energy trying to convince the British public that we really don’t have much right to the islands. If they can take the shine off peoples happy memories of Mrs Thatcher, they will.
No one does bitter and twisted like the Left.
To anybody who doesn’t beleive the bBC are the fifth column in the Uk read how bBC Mondo (Latin America) interviews Soldiers who recaptured the Falklands in 1982.
Speak the military who led the assault Argentine Malvinas / Falklands
“The day begins in the late hours of the night.” The phrase corresponds to Carlos Büsser, the soldier who led the Argentine landing on the Malvinas / Falklands on April 2, 1982, 30 years ago
Sorry did i forgot to mention, its the argentine army.
Read up on how people invited the liberating soldiers cups of tea. (More than what I got)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/2012/04/120321_argentina_malvinas_falklands_asalto_vh.shtml
Letter to Max Hastings when the BBC got him to make the same programme ten years ago:
“I was viewing the programme you made recently on returning to the Falklands twenty years after the war there. I was enjoying it and agreeing with much of what you said until the last few moments when you launched your own Exocet.
Looking at the war memorial, you grieved for the fact that there had been no progress toward a resolution of the issue between Argentina and the people of the Falklands. I then realised, with a sinking heart, you are a classic, unhistorical Englishman. You would risk the whole British navy to fight a war for islands whose sovereignty you openly and desperately still wish to hand over to a foreign power.
That is the only available resolution that would get normal relations with Argentina…
The reason the Falklands war was fought at all was because naïfs (including right-wingers such as Nicholas Ridley) thought some halfway house between British and Argentine sovereignty could be constructed. Whatever the stupidity and immorality of such a policy, it was not in the event forthcoming, despite Ridley and the FO’s efforts, largely because there were enough antagonists in the House of Commons to abandoning the islands against the islanders’ wishes.
This policy led however to heightened expectations in Buenos Aires which were then dashed – the perfect psychological state to ensure a war or military adventure. This happens when the traditional enemy is weak and seen to be willing to surrender. It is therefore reckoned there will be little or no resistance to a seizure, takeover, infiltration, or subversion…”
He replied as I recall saying we had to agree to differ.
I wonder what he will say this time?