Question Time LiveBlog 17th May 2012

Tonight Question Time comes from Cardiff from the original Welsh “Cahhhhdeff”. The “You Are Leaving Cardiff” sign has been voted Most Welcome Sight for six years running. The dialling code for Cardiff is 029 which came second in the 2011 Wales Most Interesting Area Code competition, losing out to Newport’s 01633.*

On the panel: Minister for Disabled People Maria Miller (who? And why do they need a Minister?); the only ever UK Cabinet Minister to have stood trial for bank robbery Peter Hain (TheEye asked that in our pub quiz two weeks ago!); Leanne Wood, a republican socialist who is leader of something which looks like a bad hand at Scrabble called Plaid Cymru and the usually quite splendid Kelvin MacKenzie, Daily Mail columnist and former editor of the Sun.

Also appearing is someone billed on the BBC website as author and comedy scriptwriter John O’Farrell. Will Dimbleby also mention that he was a Labour candidate in the 2001 General Election? Or that he wrote the “jokes” in speeches given by Blair, Brown and other Labour politicians? Who’ll open the betting? Make me an offer.

Your Moderators line-up consists of David Vance, David Mosque, TheEye and John Ward.

Question Time is followed by This Week. Andrew Neil is cursed with the world pie-eating champion Diane Abbott, Michael Portillo – probably in a shirt resembling a 60’s deckchair – the unspeakably stupid Mehdi Hasan, Jilly Goolden, and a Greek stand-up commedienne called Katerina Vrana. No, I hadn’t heard of her either, before you ask, but she lists Eddie Izzard as her favourite comedian so on that basis alone she probably needs to be set on fire and the flames put out with a golf shoe.

Prediction: it’s going to be dreadful. And in other unexpected news, Fernando Alonso complains about the lack of charm in modern F1 and Brian Blessed calls for everyone to quiet down.

* May contain traces of lie.

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66 Responses to Question Time LiveBlog 17th May 2012

  1. A Libertarian Rebel says:

    Wasn’t Brian May supposed to be on this week?

       4 likes

  2. Reed says:

    Oh gawd, not Mehdi Hasan again – the worst kind of hectoring, superior, verbal bully that the left has to offer. Hopefully his input will be just a pre-filmed piece, and won’t be in the studio to enrage us.

    I wonder if anyone will mention Dianne Abbott’s unfortunate supportive photo with a former ‘racist skin-head Nazi terrorist’ ? How do you go from there to the Labour party? (actually – it’s probably not that far a leap – from one bunch of nasty authoritarians to another – just a slight adjustment of those urges to control)

    Nice company you keep, Dianne – anything with a red rosette on it, hey.

    http://order-order.com/2012/05/17/diane-abbott-campaigned-for-labour-nazi-councillor/

    http://order-order.com/2012/05/17/all-quiet-on-the-austin-front/

    http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/councillor-s-nazi-past-prompts-blast-1-3850320

       17 likes

    • randomviewer says:

      I had a look to see if I could find the vid of Hasan’s audition for Broadmoor, but no luck. It’s the one where he tells some religious (Shiite) story and ends up caterwauling and chewing the carpet. Just the chap for balanced political discussion.

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      • jarwill101 says:

        Yes, that is a remarkably unhinged piece of film & should always precede any TV appearance by the future DG of the BBC, just to let the punters know how many loose screws Hasan has in his nutty little head. He may suit-up like a successful estate agent, but underneath the camouflage & privileged education, he’s nothing more than a howling desert nutjob: a wailing moon jockey, another raving onanist at a poisoned oasis. Hasan’s a walking hate-crime against the non-muslim world. Top beeboid material.

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        • randomviewer says:

          Found it. Absolutely barking.

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          • jarwill101 says:

            He should be leading the opening ceremonies at the Londonistan Olympics. He could duet with Bragg on ‘Rock the Casbah’. Just needs a backing band: The Straitjackets? His poor missus, if that’s what she has to go through every time he blows his wages down at Mecca Bingo. Sick, sick, man. Not only in the wrong country, but in the wrong millenia. Someone, somewhere, chuck him back in the desert of long ago.

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            • ROBERT BROWN says:

              This truly disturbing, truly. Can we all send this diatribe and his ‘sermon’ to the BBC? This man is utterly mad, crazy.

                 12 likes

              • David Preiser (USA) says:

                The BBC knows all about this. They simply don’t care.

                   9 likes

              • Reed says:

                Mehdi Hasan – putting the ‘mental’ in fundamental. Not much fun about it, though.

                   11 likes

      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Link anyone?

           0 likes

        • Harry says:

          The video below of Medhi Hasan is an absolute gem. It shows him rather clearly referring to people who do not share his religion as the ‘Kaffir’ (a derogatory word), saying that we were all ‘immoral’ and ‘lived like animals’, and that atheists were ‘cattle’. Seeing as he thinks that he ‘holds the moral high ground’, because of his religion, then maybe he should start acting like it. How the BBC can allow this man on their TV shows is anyone’s guess.

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          • The Highland Rebel says:

            Thanks for that one Harry.

            It’s a pity the other panelists don’t do a bit of research before they come on.
            Imagine the bedlam if these revelations were aired on the show.

            Dimbleby’s false teeth would have shot across the studio.

               14 likes

          • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

            well i asked for a link, and you delivered. Many thanks, earth shattering link.

               4 likes

    • Jon in Norway says:

      I followed the first link and found a page with little detail mainly made up of people posting short rants.

      Is this the best you can do or do you have an interest in upping the click through rates to some sites?

      It’s a picture of Dianne Abbott with someone I don’t know wearing a rosette. Where’s the detail?

         0 likes

      • Reed says:

        Perhaps if you’d looked at all the links I posted you’d have found the detail you seemed intent on missing. You could have got to all those pages I posted links to from the first one I posted, if you’d bothered.

        From one of the links I posted…

        ————————————–
        The Citizen revealed last week how newly-elected Margaret Burke was a co-leader of the city’s November 9th Society in the 1980s.

        Then called Margaret Flynn, she and her former husband Terry recruited a 50-strong army of skinheads to daub buildings with swastikas and hand out racist literature.

        We also revealed Councillor Burke had served time in Holloway after sabotaging a butcher’s shop while acting for the Animal Liberation Front.
        ————————————-

        Here’s her former husband’s ‘society’…

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_9th_Society

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  3. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Three of the five panelists have a connection to Wales. I’ve never bothered to notice before, but do they always pander like this?

       7 likes

    • All Seeing Eye says:

      Yes, and especially when they go north of the border.

      If Scotland (and afterwards, maybe the other parts of the UK) voted to go their own way then that would be a lot of telly tax money gone unless the BBC panders to the nationalists and keeps the broadcast rights.

      You know the way of the world by now David…always follow the money. The answer is there every time.

         14 likes

      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Thanks. So they only bother with specifically nationalist pandering.

           8 likes

      • Reed says:

        They never seem to bother to invite a panel that is representative of the region when the programme stays within England. I don’t see much point in going to the expense of moving the production around when the guests are always the same set of mertopolitan London-centric elites. Even though the audiences are (possibly) local, the questions are very rarely specific to the region, so it all seems rather token. What’s the point of coming to Norwich if you’re going to discuss the bloody Mayor of London again?

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  4. chrisH says:

    What a crock of shite.
    Only Kelvin would appear not to have been captured by the Lavender Smog Monster of platitudes, gestures and self-satisfied virtue.
    Just caught the tail end of something called “Extinct” on Radio 4…it`s as if Climategate and the UEA have never happened.
    We`re all doomed apparently-maybe that`s why they`re keen to find a passing asteroid to broadcast from.
    It`s as if Corporal Jones and Private Frazier were joined at the hip and yelling at me…who am I to believe Auntie?

       14 likes

  5. randomviewer says:

    *More like ‘may contain traces of nuts’.

    Which particular egregious crime against our lives, liberties and prospects will the penalists be defending or misdirecting tonight? In the last few weeks we’ve had racist/supremacist child rape, cultural obliteration and ethnic replacement (aka ‘migration’ in bBBC-speak), east german style political repression, destruction of democracies across Europe — go on beeb, surprise me.

       10 likes

  6. Peter says:

    Will Andrew Neal be asking Abbot why she campaigned for a Labour Councillor in Milton Keynes who is a former Nazi? And will someone on QuestionTime ask why the BBC has avoided the story?

       26 likes

    • Umbongo says:

      No and, again, no.

         20 likes

    • randomviewer says:

      Of course, the reason why they avoid the story and why no one will ask are the same.

         12 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Have to say, brillo pad has a good track record of asking Abbot the difficult questions for sure!

         0 likes

  7. Mat says:

    Just to ask has Abboty declared her work on the confussed. com adverts ??

       9 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Really? Missed that so far.
      Actually the line between BBC and commercial is so blurred now it has almost ceased to have relevance.
      On the sports ‘news’ slot of a radio show t’other day they had some Olympian discus lobber on about how she needed funding for Athenian air piped into her tent to commune with the greats of the past (I jest).
      What she was on about was how she was being sponsored (I hark back to an Alf Tupper sportsperson in the Victor) in all her efforts.
      So what do we get from host and hack?… ‘Go on love… give his company a plug; he deserves it!’.
      So we all pay £145.50 pa for some bozo to drop £500 on a track suit with his logo on it, and he gets national broadcast PR… nice.
      The era of a washing up bottle and sticky-back plastic is but a product placement away.. trust them.

         8 likes

  8. chrisH says:

    Missed out on this “televisual feast” , and happily watched reruns of Father Ted.
    Think Father Jack represents the self-centred BBC, slightly better that Mrs Doyle and her endless climate change sandwiches…go on, eat and believe!
    Noted the World Tonight at 10pm did not lead with the “good news” from Ellesmere Port as others did.
    Instead the BBC had prepared something just in case there might be anything to help the Tories out…so we got a long feature on the death of Universitites.
    Not something the Beeb bothered themselves with when Clarke was forcing tuition fees on the nations poorest kids, just 50% of rioters could case the ATMs of “fookin` stoodents” whilst ostensibly on a course to encourage Halal approaches to shanking tribes other than their own.
    But if it can smother any talk that GM see some hope in this benighted country, then it`s done its job.
    Heard that Labour say the Eurozone crisis is being used as “an excuse” for economic problems here in the UK…maybe we need to get that webcam up, so I could see if there were any tongues in cheeks as Beeboids read out this slop.
    If not-maybe they DO believe the shite that they read in an irony-free zone after all!

       8 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      ‘Heard that Labour say the Eurozone crisis is being used as “an excuse” for economic problems here in the UK….’ Because, as we know after sterling work at the bBC-sponsored Records Office at the Ministry of Truth, the economic problems only began in 2010.

         11 likes

  9. Jeff says:

    The Abbot / Nazi story is incredible! This isn’t just someone who has rather controversial opinions, but a woman who has been a NAZI!!!
    The Beeb’s silence on this is absolutely deafening!
    Just, for a moment, try to imagine if there was a photo of a right wing MP snuggling up to sommeone who had daubed Swastikas on walls and done time.
    Do you think it might get just the teeniest bit of attention…

       13 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      It was for this that ‘watertight oversight’ ((c) R. Black) was specifically created.

         5 likes

    • The Highland Rebel says:

      Nazism :-

      Eradication of the Jewish people.
      Eradication of Christianity.
      World domination through terror.

      Islam :-

      Eradication of the Jewish people.
      Eradication of Christianity.
      World domination through terror.

      As far as the beeb are concerned they are both equal and deserve their unwavering support.

         18 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      Diane Abbott has a track record of shameless hypocrisy, and this is just one more example. The bBC will take great pleasure in not reporting it.

         10 likes

  10. Robert Power says:

    I look to biased BBC for fair and open debate about our television provider. It now seems to be taken over by rampant little Englanders who feel it`s ok to spout their vile Welsh racism. Oh well there goes another site down the plug hole.

       2 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      I look in turn for the obvious ‘saddened friend betrayed’ post, taking a single sour cherry and trying to conflate it with the whole orchard, no matter that each tree is independent of the other.
      And when I find one, what do I sometimes also find is a single post from a single or rare poster about some niche exchange(s) saying they’re flouncing off by way of a hoped holing below the waterline.
      Good try at least, boyo.

         10 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        I was not aware the Welsh were a race, but here’s the BBC’s finest to put me, and maybe others, to rights..

           3 likes

      • johnnythefish says:

        I reckon he’s sat there feeling pretty pleased with himself that he’s stirred up so much reaction. Best ignored.

           1 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      Shame. I’ll miss your posts.

         5 likes

      • All Seeing Eye says:

        A check in the logs shows that this is the only post by someone using the name “Robert Power” since the site move.

        Excuse me for a minute whilst I sob quietly in the corner at such a devastating loss.

           11 likes

    • jarwill101 says:

      Oh come on Robert, are you for real? The Welsh people I know are far less thin-skinned &, believe me, can give & take the banter with the best of them. A character in a Len Deighton novel described the Welsh as ‘gourmets at the feast of insults’. A young Welsh Guardsman whose patrol had found one of Saddam’s palaces said that a golden-tapped bathroom looked as if somebody from Merthyr had won the lottery. The Welsh take the piss out of themselves; don’t be so precious, or so trollish? Let’s all get together, as Bernard Manning might have said, & attack the Paki nonces. Now there’s a deserving target.

         17 likes

    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      What has troubled you about these little englanders Robert? Can you highlight a post that offends you?
      reply in Welsh if you wish then they wont understand you but I will.

         9 likes

      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        If it’s any consolation, I’ve done my share of english jokes in here:
        oxymoron definition:
        English rugby!
        Boom Boom
        No-one offended i reckon, and I can take all the sheep jokes they throw! and toss some back:. Dont give up on this site!

           13 likes

      • Roland Deschain says:

        He probably isn’t Welsh, but from the school of “taking offence on behalf of others”.

           10 likes

        • Harry says:

          If we cannot make fun of the Welsh any more then I’m just going to give up hope and walk off into the wilderness.

             6 likes

        • Number 7 says:

          Chwara teg.

          The trouble is he probably doesn’t understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • Guest Who says:

        ‘reply in Welsh if you wish’
        Brilliant: more power to you!
        But the target seems too savvy a fox to be tempted having shot the ‘flounce’ bolt (some are not, which is always good for a laugh).
        I rather suspect this was also more a ‘complaining on behalf of a group as yet unaggrieved’ punt, which rather backfired. Especially when called on shared values that might have been enjoyed more in spirit than education.
        However, given time, and the right media monopoly in support, a ‘row’ can still be spun up, half a dozen members secured, and a £2M quango created to represent them on the public purse, with a spokeswhinger in residence slot at the BBC in Salford.
        I recall as an expat in Hong Kong, the term ‘gweilo’ was used by the locals a lot, and not meant in admiration.
        The intended sting of the term was rather, and rather quickly denuded by every red-faced/haired white devil cheerfully calling themselves that with no hint of concern or rancour.

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  11. David Preiser (USA) says:

    I call BS on Robert Power. Which comment on this thread can be characterized as racist against Welsh people? The one where I asked about the BBC pandering? The comments about Diane Abbott supporting a Nazi? The comments about Mehdi Hasan?

    Or was he watching the live chat and got offended at the comments about public sector parasites?

    Five bucks says it’s not any of the comments on this thread.

       12 likes

    • Harry says:

      If we cannot make fun of ourselves we will just start resenting each other. I went to school near the border with Wales and we would always be making sheep jokes and they would always take the piss out of us too. The reason it didn’t matter is because identity politics hadn’t really been invented yet; so we were never taught why we were different, or that either of our groups was a victim. None of us even considered the other another race. I love the Welsh just as I do the English, but it’ll be a sad day when we cannot make fun of the Welsh, sad day indeed.

         12 likes

      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Seriously, which comment here makes fun of the Welsh? Are there invisible ones I can’t see from the US? What is this guy talking about?

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        • Harry says:

          He may have been referring to the joke at the start of the article:

          “Tonight Question Time comes from Cardiff from the original Welsh “Cahhhhdeff”. The “You Are Leaving Cardiff” sign has been voted Most Welcome Sight for six years running”

             3 likes

          • All Seeing Eye says:

            I’ve been distracted with RL issues this year but if you look at my QT posts for last year you’ll find satire and one-liners about both panelists and places every week.

            Getting back in to my usual style again slowly. If anyone objects then they are free to let me know.

               11 likes

          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            That’s it? Thanks, I’d forgotten all about that, and assumed there was something serious in the comments he was talking about. I assume Robert Power is okay with all the other comments here that might offend people in other groups.

               6 likes

          • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

            It can only be that!
            Didn’t bother me, you bunch of **6%6%%%4***^$$£……baaaaaaahhhh.
            seriously there hasnt been anything else it could have been.

               2 likes

          • Number 7 says:

            WRT the most welcome sign.

            The majority vote probably came from the west of the Loughor.

            We all love sheep over here!!!!!!!!!!!

               0 likes

            • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

              Rhif saith, fi sy’n byw yn y gorllewin hefyd. Pob hwyl i ti achan!

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  12. Reed says:

    Isn’t the PC diversity agenda a wonderful thing.
    It’s really helping to bring us all together, make us appreciate what we all have in common, and enable us to see past our differences. We’ve all really lightened up about our minor differences, and are able to get along without the petty, small-minded grievances of previous decades. *sigh*

    Its’ not the colour of a person’s skin that bothers me, it’s the thinness of it.

       8 likes

  13. Beness says:

    Diversity is not meant to help cultures mix. Its there to make them more diverse as in divide.

    It was never a good idea and I’m starting to wonder about its true intentions.

       3 likes