In Katya Adler’s film on the rise of what she calls the ‘Far Right’ in Germany she mentions the ‘Immortals’ and states that they are ‘anti-globalisation, anti-capitalist and anti-democratic’.
Is there any difference between these National Socialists and the Socialists of ‘Occupy’?
Strange how the BBC and Paul Mason love Occupy but abhor their fellow Socialists over the Channel.
Yes, there IS a difference between nazis and occupists. Although both kinds of socialist hate Jews, occupists reserve most of their racial hatred for ethnic majorities, rather than minorities.
Yes, ultimately the Cuckoo Land dreamers hate democracy and just want everything their own way, so absolutely figures why Far Left Al-Beeb with its completely undemocratic TV Licence fee loves the stupid socialist turds to bits!
Notice that Jimmy Carr is doing his tour round the country at the moment.
Wonder if Occupy will be picketing Berwick Maltings, or whether they`ll invade Weymouth Pavilion to have a sit-down protest there in the foyer?
Or is it only bankers they they get het up about….
Personally I think it comes across as a bit cranky to over-emphasise the socialist aspect of National Socialism.
Despite their hostility to Socialists and Communists, at first, the Nazi party did have a nationalising, redistributionist wing, sometimes known as the ‘northern wing’ but it never included Hitler, despite the fact that he had been a close friend of its chief exponent, Roehm. He had its leadership wiped out, and power broken in the Night of the Long Knives not just to win over the support of German conservatives and the army but to eliminate these leftward tendencies.
So, what you are saying is that hitler wasn’t a true national socialist?
Tune in next week for “Stalin the Venture Capitalist”?
I think he is saying that Hitler was like Blair, he abandoned socialism for the what they call the third way. Public-Private Partnerships or in other words Socialist-Capitalist Partnerships. That is why the West is now failing, unless we can abandon the Public-Socialist element in the equation.
… Also known as Corporatism or Fascism. He was still a lefty, arguing against the millionaire classes in his speeches.
Isn’t that the diference between a socialist and a communist? The commies want it all for the state and the socialists want only part of it.
They are both still genocidal philosophies.
The only difference is a purely subjective one. The Occupiers claim they have true democracy, when in fact what they achieve alternates between light fascism and old-school anarchy. Despite what they claim when on camera, though, what they really practice is very similar to the BBC belief: democracy = getting what you want. When the majority vote doesn’t go along with what they want, the Occupiers try to shout it down. When they public doesn’t vote the way they want, the BBC tries to tell you the only reason the public voted that way is because they don’t understand the issues. Then there’s the whole extremely anti-democratic eco-fascism advocated by certain Beeboids, and the forced redistributionism advocated by others. The Immortals claim that they’ll get what they want by force as well, regardless of what the majority of the public wants.
In actual practice, there is precious little discernible difference between Occupiers and Immortals. Except maybe the Immortals tend to bathe more often….
“Is there any difference between these National Socialists and the Socialists of ‘Occupy’?”
So the people who camped out in tents in front of St. Pauls are all Racist Nazis now; comparable to a group in Germany who murdered people because of their skin colour?
Congratulations Alan; your funniest post ever. Keep up the good work!
The Nazis used many weird and fallacious arguments to justify their anti-Semitism and produced ugly caricatures of what they claimed were typical Jewish facial features but a glance at the illustrations in Streicher’s ‘Der Sturmer’ will show that skin colour was not something to which they paid any particular attention.
Yes, regardless of what the likes of Al-Beeb repeatedly tried to force feed the nation (of now about 63,000,000), those occupiers really amounted to absolutely fuck all but a truly pathetic fascist little piss puddle!
From what I saw of the St Pauls Occupiers, many seemed to be European Protest Tourists. Italian, Greek, Spanish, taking advantage of free accommodation in Central London. I expect not a few were silver-spoon student radicals – ie often rich kids who have never done a days work in their lives, and will never have to. Others left their tents during the day to go off to “work”.
The very idea that these people have “something important to tell us about society” is so laughable only a Beeber could take them seriously.
That’s one difference, yes, Dez.
Are there any more?
Ohh 5 likes for Dezzidimoana ! must be growing the cult !
Any way as your here can I ask purely off topic and for my own research what BBC standpoint on any subject don’t you agree with?
Oh and can you stop trolling Bishop hills site your are really ruining the posts !
Any thoughts on the number of David Icke posters around St. Paul’s, dez? What about the evidence of anti-Semitism at various Occupier groups around the US? See also here, here, and here, just for starters.
Sure, your casual supporter of the Occupiers, and even many of those who turned up part time or helped out on occasion (you know, like friends and acquaintances of yours) are mostly not anti-Semites and wouldn’t dream of harming Jews in any way. But then again, that wouldn’t have occurred to your average German citizen in 1932, either. It’s not the casual supporters and those who understand the Occupier grievances one needs to worry about, but rather the hardcore activists behind it all and who are the driving forces in the various pods. Not to mention the sympathetic propagandists in the mainstream media.
Also, if you’ve spent some time amongst the Occupiers, as I have, you will have seen clear evidence of fascist behavior as well.
Yeah, it’s an exaggeration to equate the Occupiers with the Immortals, full stop, but there’s much more than a kernel of truth there, no matter how much you want to deny it.
The bBC can do a documentary on a German group that in their eyes want to save Germany. However they could not do a programme about a group who for 13 years wanted to destroy the U.K. The bBC we know where their allegiances lie.
Or have a delve into the open KGB archives in Moscow. Now there would be a programme worth watching.
Not to be seen anytime soon on the BBC.
No guessing ever needed why the BritishBrainwashingCorporation only ever investigate and report on so-called Far Right organisations but never on Far LEFT organisations, like Unite Against (LOL!) Fascism, the Socialist Workers Party, Hope not Hate (LOL!), Searchlight (magazine), etc.
There’s always far more members of that crackpot leftie lot arrested and found guilty of public disorder, vandalism, violence and threatening behaviour, etc, and yet the BritishBrainwashingCorporation never touches them. ..Fuckin hilarious! Just keeps on taking us all for complete fools.