A programme that was supposed to investigate a conspiracy theory that the British government planned the 7/7 bombings, fronted by Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell, was haphazard in its approach and patchy in its ‘evidence’, not looking too deeply at issues raised.
Perhaps, you might think, they were not overly bothered if they didn’t disprove the conspiracy theories.
Who were the conspiracy theory advocates? Three non-Muslims and a Muslim….but a convert…..the BBC loves a convert. Chosen specifically so that the viewer can’t just say ‘They’re all Muslim, they would think that wouldn’t they?’
In other words….if non-Muslims are suspicious it gives the ‘suspicion’ more credibility.
And who is the real danger? Is it the internet trawling white boy or the Islamic radical who uses this information to stir up hate and recruit more extremists in his own community?…..as a BBC report from 2005 tells us……
‘ Video tapes and DVDs left at mosques in Dewsbury contain “distasteful and offensive” propaganda material, a senior police officer has said “As far as we know the videos were a portrayal of violence – a portrayal of Muslims being victims of violence.
“It was an attempt to portray Muslims as victims and to perhaps try and evoke local sympathy, local pressure into some sort of backlash towards the perpetrators which I think the videos portray as British and American politicians – European democracies as the enemies.
“I believe they were aimed at stirring up racial tension – stirring up concern in the community.
“I think the broadest aim may have been recruiting terrorists in the future.’
So why not have four Muslim conspiracy theorists on the programme?….prove it to them and it might be worthwhile.
What does Maxwell say about the theories?……‘I can understand a giant suspicion of the British establishment…back in the 70s the British cops did fit up Irishman for bombings.’
So just setting the scene eh?
As he went on to look at the background of the bombers he said…..‘We will try to get into the mindset of these supposed bombers.’ ‘Supposed bombers’?
The first character ‘witness’ denied that the bombers could have been bombers…they were ‘good Muslim boys, not terrorists.’ But as she lives in the community is she a reliable witness or is she saying what her neighbours want to hear?
The show brings on a Muslim (for some reason) psychologist who tells us that it is hard to spot a terrorist….but that ‘their extremism might start with a legitimate grievance….without doubt one of the biggest recruitment causes was the Iraq War….add to that someone who has experienced racism and it becomes toxic.’
So there you go, the BBC have slotted in their own narrative, and that of the bombers…the terrorism is all justified…because the Iraq War was illegal and Muslims were victims of discrimination.
Then came another theme…current in BBC thinking….it’s all down to Big Business and the government operating behind the scenes to facilitate Big Business…going so far as to bomb London in order to keep the Imperialist British flag flying over the world and sell widgets to the natives at exorbitant prices.
The programme proved little other than that the bombers were on the trains and bus and that a homemade bomb works….we all know that…the IRA were making them for years and the Taliban are more than proficient.
Was the BBC really trying to disprove the conspiracy theory?
Some might say that the BBC is doing the opposite…..who is its audience for this? I have never once thought that the government plotted the 7/7 bombings. Not many other people will have either.
The only people who believe this are people who don’t actually believe the ’conspiracy’ because they know the truth but are happy to sow the doubt and confusion….that is, fellow travellers of the bomber‘s…… and the conspiracy theorists who will never be ‘turned’ whatever the evidence proves.
So it is a relatively very small group of people, the majority of whom will not change their views under any circumstances….therefore why give such prominence to conspiracy theories that only a few extremists want to believe?
I can only conclude that someone at the BBC thought this was good entertainment or that it would be good to spread the propaganda to a wider audience and in order to keep up the attack on Blair and the Iraq War with subtle hints of possible Machiavellian plots to murder British subjects.
What was missing from the show?…the bomber’s own videos declaring their Jihad upon the West….the videos prove it was no training exercise, they prove that they were involved and they prove that, inconveniently, Islam was the driving force behind the attacks.
So why did the BBC not show those videos when they are so relevant to disproving the conspiracy theories?
If you think the BBC are incapable of using the 7/7 attacks, the 52 dead and the over 700 injured, as pawns in their games you may have forgotten the first anniversary of the 7/7 attacks which the BBC decided was a good time to insist that Muslims were the real victims of the bombs…suffering suspicion wherever they went.
To prove the point the BBC hired themselves a Muslim, gave him a rucksack and walked him through the people at the remembrance service….causing quite evident, and quite natural, alarm amongst some people.
It is apparent that some at the BBC have lost all sense of propriety and proportion, not to say common sense and common decency.
In their never ending quest to prove Muslims are innocent of any dark thoughts at all they are prepared to sacrifice everything from free speech to the right to live in a safe and secure environment….or rather make everyone else sacrifice those things on the altar of some form of twisted political correctness.
Fury as BBC documentary suggests Government plotted 7/7 attacks to boost Iraq war support (well, it is hosted by an Irish comedian)
The BBC3 documentary shows conspiracy theorists – including model Layla Randle-Conde – play the bombers.
Producers blow up a bus in a bid to recreate the explosion in Tavistock Square that killed 13 people.
Parents of victims brand programme ‘disgusting’ and in ‘really bad taste’
Families of victims of the 7/7 London bombings have slammed the BBC for a ‘disgusting’ documentary that investigates conspiracy theories surrounding the atrocity.
The programme, to be aired on BBC3 and hosted by Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell, probes claims that the co-ordinated blasts were in fact part of a Government plot to boost support for the Iraq war.
007 would have sorted it all out.
This is a typical BBC disgrace, thankfully what you have put is enough for me to know to avoid such evil. But, I wonder how long the Beeboid reality deniers will take before they start their ridiculous attempts to attack this thread. Dez is normally loitering this time of night.
—Hi Dez! —-
But it may be a while as they will have to go some to argue this down, and then they will have to co-ordinate their replies. Alternatively Dez will flounce on and attack the messenger with vague (and groundless) accusations of racism, rather than defend the indefensible.
“—Hi Dez! —-”
With regular references like this, no wonder he keeps coming back. Must be great for his ego.
If we ignored him – and I mean completely – he really would go away.
He’s funny. Not intentionally but his pathetic excuses and baseless accusations can be hilarious in an unintended and stupid way.
It would be more interesting to have someone intelligently defend the BBC as genuine debate is something the BBC themselves hate. But until we get someone to intelligently defend the monster we have Dez for light relief.
Hmmmm.
The only intelligent defence of the BBC that seems to work involves drawing attention to the rapidly shrinking good bits. They’ve become so small, or infrequent (big dollops of culture like the Proms), that even that doesn’t really work any more.
I have never been aware of anyone suggesting that the Government plotted the 7/7 bombings. But then I don’t travel in the same circles as the BBC.
I remember a documentary some time ago but I can’t remember which channel aired it. It addressed the conspiracy theories surrounding 7/7. It comprehensibly covered the issues such as the bombs already on trains delusion. So why there was a burning need for this program I’m not sure.
Was one participants of them from rent a mob? He was very friendly with the people in the mosque.
As I have noted before I have had contact with people who believe this delusional crap such as 9/11 being a false flag operation. No matter what factual evidence you present them their conspiracy will morph to integrate it into their delusion.
The biggest truism you will ever hear is that if you have ever worked for the Government (I have) you will realize that they are incapable of sorting anything out let alone a conspiracy involving hundreds or thousands of people.
‘I have never been aware of anyone suggesting that the Government plotted the 7/7 bombings. But then I don’t travel in the same circles as the BBC. ‘
Public awareness of suggestions of ‘news’ value seem variable these days, depending on what the BBC and the circles of its friends choose to play up… or claim they hadn’t officially heard about.
It’s a ‘unique’ thing.
”fronted by Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell’
I find this rather insulting, not as if the Irish had no problems with bombs going off in London. What next Gerry Adams giving a documentary about how it was really Thatcher that planted the Brighton Bomb.
Apparently the Joos, with new President George Bush’s approval, were responsible for 9/11, the British Government for 7/7, Israel for various Hamas killings of their own. Seems to be a theme.
Of course, the Nazis blamed the Reichstag fire on the Bolsheviks (who for once were innocent of a charge). It’s absolutely true that the left-wing model their propaganda and actions on the Nazis.
Yes, I’m quite surprised that the conspiracy nuts haven’t claimed the brighton bomb was a ‘false flag attack’. That’s their favourite…
“‘ Video tapes and DVDs left at mosques in Dewsbury contain “distasteful and offensive” propaganda material, a senior police officer has said “As far as we know the videos were a portrayal of violence – a portrayal of Muslims being victims of violence.”
“It was an attempt to portray Muslims as victims”
No doubt it was a box collection of ‘The Big Questions’ with Nickie Campbell!
ps – note the hijabi 7/7 denier – much exposure as the “moderate” muslim on the big questions
… to flippantly have such a programme, headed by a so called comedian, intimating that young “hipsters” tv bbc3 – are “relevant” by doing so ….
even when one of the poor victims, who saw a bomber detonate himself, (i m sure she ll never forget it) …
is sidelined with, a shrug, “well, there are other people who didn t see it … so”
– its really gone to “paranormal tv” level pap
why plant the seed of deceit? in such a low and flippant way? … using 7/7 … to hype bbc3 s “just for laughs” tripe.
isn t this manner erm … “offensive”
to the real victims? or doesn t that matter?
“No doubt it was a box collection of ‘The Big Questions’ with Nickie Campbell! ”
ha ha! very good…
it was a disgusting piece of television and i just turned it off
i can only hope and pray that al beeb are punished by poetic justice while interviewing members of the religion of peace and dozens of them are killed
It’s that kind of remark that will have Dez & Co swarming all over the site attempting to drown out the real issue. It might well be poetic justice but it’s not something I would pray for.
Hate the Beeb? Yes. Wish for dozens of them to be killed? No.
having had 5 very good friends murdered by terrorists, the subject is very close to my heart.
Such intimate loss is awful and your emotions are perhaps inevitable, but in matters of debate or justice, two wrongs surely seldom make a right? My opinion only, but wishing death on anyone for a view is a sentiment best left to others, and their facilitating apologists.
And as one agreeing with RD in most things (including site etiquette) I must go further and borrow his hard hat and offer that ‘hate’ of an entity is a potentially corrosive sentiment.
The BBC is a corporation, made up of many people, good, bad and ugly, which is rotting from the head and is losing the plot more and more as a consequence. I don’t and can’t hate ‘it’. But I can be hugely disappointed, frustrated and concerned with where it is heading, and dragging the country down with it.
I do despise the culture, and find some individuals who take advantage of it for personal reasons utterly unprofessional and worthy of derision.
These need to be identified and called out on fact backed by evidence, and with luck the truth will come to dawn on enough folk subjected to decades of 24/7 hypocritical propaganda at £4Bpa, backed by cynical selective censorship, that questions will no longer be ignored by the nation’s most trusted broadcaster, and they recognise that they are one of the most significant powers in the land that can no longer justify being exempted from being held to account.
Having watched the programme, I thought it wasn’t too bad. Admittedly it was a BBC3 “dumbed-down-for-the-yoof ” effort, but the basic premise was to challenge the assertions of the conspiracy theorists, (although “theorist” is a kind appelation for the level of intellect shown), which it did pretty effectively. Of the four deluded simpletons chanting their conspiraloon fantasies, by the end of the programme three were persuaded that they were wrong in their assertions. The fourth seemed so blinded by his own world view , that there was no way to have persuaded him of anything else. The Irish presenter was anti-establishment, but rational in his assertions (not right in my opinion, but rational). He certainly didn’t give much credence to the conspiracy theories. All in all the programme showed the conspiraloons for what they were and promoted the truth – that four British muslim did conduct the 7/7 bombing themselves without British Government collusion or coercion. Certainly there were unpaplatable assertions made by various interviewees (the cleric particularly), but these are opinions that need to be heard to be refuted.
It is a well known fact that all the Jews in the U.K. were secretly informed not to travel on the tube or London buses on 7/7.
I did dip in and out to this joke of a program and it came over to me as a spoof documentary a la the day today.
The participants really should not be out and about in society, weirdo’s to a person.
Strange that the first victim named was Jewish. Perhaps she was deaf and didn’t hear the calls not to go into London. Apparently the New York Jews were told the same thing on 9/11.
I’m really hoping your “fact” is a joke in very poor taste. If not, please consider yourself a conspiraloon of the highest order who also shouldn’t be allowed out in public.
“IRONY” you shmock.
Fair enough.
Well I got my text.
If you watch the program carefull when it shows the memorial in Hyde Park the camera lingers over a Muslim name, planned or what ?
Yes, a bit like Larry Silverstein having an appointment with his dentist on the morning of 911 instead of having breakfast at the top of one of the towers as he had done for some time, lucky wasn’t he.
Grassy Knollington: Conspiracy Theorist
Grassy’s friend: Hey, look Grassy! An Ice-cream van’s just pulled up. Do you fancy a Ninety-nine?
Grassy: Eh?! A Ninety-nine? Nine times eleven is Ninety-nine! Don’t you see?! Nine-eleven!! The attack cooked up by George Bush and his pal Bin Laden to spark revolution in the Middle East … Hmm … Nine …? Revolution? Sounds familiar?
Grassy’s friend: Not really, no.
Grassy: You bet! Try this for size – “Revolution Number Nine” on the Beatles’ White Album lasts 8 minutes 15 seconds exactly … that’s 495 seconds … or 99 times 5! Ninety-nine – like the ice cream … and five – the number of victims of the so-called Whitechapel Killer…
Grassy’s friend: Who?
Grassy: Jack the Ripper! Nickname of the Royal murdered and arch Freemason Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, whose first victim was discovered in 1888 … on August 31st! Fast forward to August 31st 1997 … Lady Diana is killed when her Mercedes – driven by double agent Henri Paul – hits Pillar Thirteen in the Pont d’Alma Tunnel in Paris. Henri Paul? Sounds familiar? Get this! Actor Paul Henry plays an actor called Benny in the 70s soap Crossroads!
and so on…
Yeah an’ Benny was a friend of Miss Dianne …
Gosh!
File under the 9/11 Conspiracy crap that was a BBC3 show a few months back.
They took a load of dopey stoodents to the USA to check out whether the USA themselves did 9/11…possibly someone who agreed with Price Charles and his views on architecture I suppose. Pitiful , stupid telly, but the US Embassy let them in to do it…and what a place for e freebie!
Slough and Dewsbury less of a beano-but the BBC will say that these bombers were only cheesed off at the lack of investment in the transport infrastructure…or were paid to do it by the RAC or AA.
I`ll not be bothering with it…the BBC are Allahs little djinn hopping on Hamzas hook for fun…and if stoodent fees go up to £100,000 a term, then it`d be worth it to keep those 9/11 gobshites serving up onion rings instead of “studyin` atYuni”
I love 9/11 conspiracy stuff, it’s a great laugh to see all those saddoes living in their mum’s basements whining on about thermite (woooh! scary!)
Hi Zemplar, try watching 911 The Third Truth by Dimitri Khalezov. very interesting, of all the millions of words written and spoken on the subject, nothing on radiation levels?.
Hmmmm….. let’s check the scores on the doors:
Making films of which the Moon Goblins disapprove is unacceptably provokative. You know how sensitive Allah’s Little Helpers are, right?
Meanwhile, airing deranged conspiracy theories about how the Infidels are plotting against the poor, oppressed Jihadists is perfectly reasonable and in no way encouraging violent lunatics.
But then again, on the other, other, hand the BBC tut tuts about anyone who merely reports factually on what happened in Rotherham and Rochdale cause, hey, that would be inflammatory, doncha’know?
Good point. Doesn’t this fall under ‘incitement to racial or religeous hatred’.
Does Knacker know?
“their extremism might start with a legitimate grievance….without doubt one of the biggest recruitment causes was the Iraq War….add to that someone who has experienced racism and it becomes toxic.’
So there you go, the BBC have slotted in their own narrative, and that of the bombers…the terrorism is all justified…because the Iraq War was illegal and Muslims were victims of discrimination.”
I don’t think that’s what the BBC is saying. There is a big difference between saying a grievance is legitimate and saying that terrorism which may originally stem from it is justified.
Well it was on BBC 3 at 1.25am on a Monday for goodness sake!
i don’t suppose anyone watched it!
The only conspiracy theory that is 100% true is the frankfurt schools programme for a global marxist world government.
shape shifting lizards has some truth in it coming from demons and fallen angels.
Oi! Earl’s Court, don’t blame me!
😉
Ok I won’t I meant demons in the Christian/Judeo sense. LOL
I watched most of it, by chance, when flicking through the channels and was gripped by the sheer tasteless, contrived and amateur way it was made, not to mention the obvious high cost of the programme. I stopped before the end.
The two males were classic conspiracists, leftists seeing ‘big business’ behind everything, the model seemed to be a plant and the Muslim convert knew her part was to play a human with emotions who would sob at appropriate moments.
It was the sort of programme which the BBC authorities should have stopped shortly after it started. Why didn’t they? Why was an unfunny and unknown Irish comedian chosen to front it and who selected him? Is editorial control by the BBC a thing of the past?
I know the bias of the BBC but that was unusually concentrated, third-rate nastiness which must have been distressing for any 7/7 family to watch.
The Director of the programme is listed as “Reit Oord”, aka “Retard”.
Spoof programme detected.