What the BBC’s Jon Donnison does link to is interesting…an ‘Economist’ (a Leftie publication) run down of the ‘numbers’ from the Israel/Palestine conflict.
MT @WyreDavies Number-crunching. #Gaza and #Israel in stats, from The Economist. http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2012/11/israel-and-palestinians?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/gaza_abacus … …
The emphasis is that the Israelis suffer very few casualties whilst the Palestinians are being mown down….
‘Total number of Israelis killed by rocket, mortar or anti-tank fire from Gaza since 2006: 47 ‘
‘Number of Palestinians in Gaza killed by Israeli fire from April 1st 2006 to July 21st 2012: 2,879‘
Looks bad doesn’t it? So, what’s the word?… disproportionate.
Well it would because the Economist somehow misses out all those other Israelis killed in the last decade…like the Fogels, not killed with a rocket but slaughtered with a knife….understandable the Economist missed that one as the BBC didn’t bother reporting it….but there are many other deaths such as schoolboys being beaten to death with rocks, people run over by bulldozers, never mind the ones shot or blown up in school buses, restauraunts and nightclubs.
What might be a truer picture of Israeli casualties at the hands of the Palestinians?
‘According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Anti-Defamation League, a total of 1,194 Israelis and foreigners were killed and 7,000 wounded between September 2000 and August 2010 by Palestinian terror attacks.’
And is this really just a cynical, anti-Israeli piece by the Economist?
The last line suggests it is……a comment on the ‘real’ reason for the war according to the Left…..
‘Number of days before Israeli general election: 64‘
Good though that both the BBC’s Wyre Davies and Jon Donnison think this Economist piece is relevant to, and truly informative of, the events going on….when it is clearly misleading and distorts the public’s perceptions of the ‘justification’ for Israeli actions.
The piece is evidently trying to suggest that Israel is suffering few casualties from rocket fire(what number is too many then? Just how many bodies are needed before action is justifiable?) and that it therefore has no need to take military action against Hamas.
On The face of it, the Economist is putting out Hamas propaganda and the BBC are retweeting it. Good job boys!
But don’t forget that, by the Palestinians’ own arithmetic, one Israeli is worth 1,027 Palestinians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050377/Gilad-Shalit-release-Palestinians-wild-celebrations-1-000-militants-freed.html
And the Palestinians-as ever-got the wrong end of the bullhorn in “boasting” about their “great deal”.
Only told me that the PA disregard the lives of “their people” as being little more than a blowfly…cheap and expendable, and worth nothing as to the life of a confused Israeli soldier in bottle top glasses.
Israel think their kids to be precious and priceless…especially when they fight to defend their country..but the Palestinian “politicians”…thugs with Arafats Odoreaters in effect..see their “martyrs and freed prisoners” as worthless.
I agree-but only the thick scum of PLO would see this as a “triumph”…which is why they`ll lose!
God Bless Israel-and He does!
dunno why the mozzies are gurning
aren’t they all off to meet a 72 year old virgin or sumfin?
Damn and I renewed my Economist subscription for another 3 years this April. Well I suppose I can continue to purchase the Guardian on a daily basis. (except Sunday as I totally detest the Observer)
Oh Alan btw the point you pick out:
Total number of Israelis killed by rocket, mortar or anti-tank fire from Gaza since 2006:
Does point at Gaza, the fogals were murdered by somebody from the West Bank.
Also you really should have looked at the pomegranate page at the Economist where those above facts are to be found it contains snippets such as these:
Estimated deaths in Syria since beginning of unrest in March 2011: 40,000
Estimated deaths from all Israeli-Arab wars between 1945 and 1995: 92,000
Population of Gaza: 1.7m
Number of Israelis within range of Fajr-5 missiles: 3.5m
I’ve subscribed to the Economist since the 80s and I wouldn’t call it leftwing, Here’s what this weeks edition has to say about the problems with the WB:
“Israel’s finance minister, Yuval Steinitz, has threatened—if the UN bid goes ahead—not just to stop transferring the tax revenues that make up almost half the PA budget but to stop collecting them altogether. Yet Israeli army commanders shudder at the chaos that might ensue if the PA’s 50,000 security people were unable to put food on the table. Indeed, Israel has been so worried by the PA’s budget crisis that in the past three months it has advanced $200m to the PA and issued Palestinians in the West Bank with several thousand more permits to work in Israel. “It’s in Israel’s interest to preserve the PA,” says an officer, examining various contingencies.”
Hey I could be wrong, but I’ve been reading the Economist since 1979 (when they used to host ads for Canadian club whisky (clues to a box they had hidden) and Rockport shoes) to today.
Shouting out leftwing in which to substantiate your anger doesn’t do anybody any justice.
Oh and by the way, I wish Israel would simply nuke each and every Arab nation in the region, so that tells you which side of the fence I sit on. That way with millions of dead Muslims then and only then will Muslims the world over realise that their blood thirsty ways comes with a price. and that for once they really are the victims,
Hamas do not have to continue this violence. They could choose to stop it and call peace in the region permanently.
Spouting numbers when you’re talking about deaths is callous, just as ‘The Economist’s’ presentation is.
I t would seem the murdering Hamas scum have killed six Israeli “spys” and have dragged them through the streets on Motorcycles. Funny just switched on BBC 6pm news…….tumbleweed GAZA NOT EVEN MENTIONED.
Bias by omission
I heard the news about the six “spies” being killed on the R4 news at 3.00, and on PM, and on the Richard Bacon show on R5 at about 3.30, I think.
Now I wonder how the BBC classify these spy deaths – they are not Israelis so cannot be added by the BBC to the Israeli body count, but nor have they been killed by the Israelis so cannot be added to the Palestinian death count…unless of course Israel is to blame for their deaths…which the BBC could consider to be the case…so yes add to the Palestinian deaths and with all the dead Syrian children all help to prove that the Israeli response is disproportional.
Delighted to see “BBC Watch” newly set up to give us a few pictures that prove the BBCs malice and lies about Israel at the moment.
More power to its elbows!
It’s compulsive viewing! Along with this site, of course.
Re Donnison, I have searched online for any bio that might tell us where the lad was educated, what qualifications he brings to the job. I find nothing about him, except for a 2002 article when he worked for BBC Radio Sheffield – it told of his cycling prowess and was aptly titled “On Yer Bike, Jon!”
But isn’t it a tad odd that the Beeb tells us not a single thing about little Jonny’s background? Did the lad go straight to Gaza from his radio job? Anyone know?
By no stretch of the imagination is the Economist left wing.
The data goes a lot wider than you quote and is well sourced
The BBC apologised for its Fogel coverage ( so ie not covering it on the day). But it was covered subsequently.
Err Dandy yer flash git, you come out with :
The BBC apologised for its Fogel coverage ”
Really!, Saying it was a busy weekend and thus the murderers of a family in their own home was overlooked due to to the Japanese earthquake and fighting in Libya . Gee ,maybe there’s the reason why the bBC hasn’t bothered with Syria this pastweek becasue its been a busy week in Gaza and Israel.
Oh by the way Dandy I’ve just run a search on the bBC with the following;
Fogel and BBC Apologizes
Guess what?
No apology in 2011 and the only entry of the fogel murders at the time is this one
Israel approves new Jewish settler homes in West Bank
Israel has approved the construction of hundreds of homes for Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank. Officials said the decision was agreed by a ministerial committee on Saturday.
What next from the bBC, that Islam is a religion of peace.
By no stretch of your limited imagination perhaps. The left-wing lobotimisation of the profession of journalism is so entrenched it is impossible to visit a news stand without being face to face with Liberal-bigotry, and white middle class left wing prickery.
The Economist, a well-known loss-making title.
Dandy
The BBC was FORCED – EVENTUALLY – to apologise for its failure to cover the Fogel murders properly..
And while the Economist is not “left-wing” – it is definitely left of centre. Soggy, nothing like as crisp as it was when Andrew Neil was editing. Just like its stablemate the FT – not red, but definitely pinko.
I take a property view of it.
If someone occupies your house, you’ve every right to kick them out.
Likewise victims of crime are not entitled to go out and rob someone else to make up.
And also, people have a right to protect their lives.
You’re right as always Jim…it does provide further data:
….which backs up my point even further…thanks chief!
Number of Israelis killed by fire from Gaza between January 1st 2012 and November 11th 2012: 1
(Source: Wikipedia)
Number of Palestinians in Gaza killed by Israeli fire during the same period: 78
(Source: United Nations)
Number of Israelis killed by fire from Gaza, November 13th-19th 2012: 3
(Source: press reports)
Number of Palestinians in Gaza killed by Israeli fire, November 13th-19th: 95
(Source: IDF)
The Fogels ‘covered’? Only after complaints. I suppose if the Palestinian who killed them apologised ‘after’ it would be OK too?
And yes the Economist is left leaning.
Reading a Hugh Fitzgerald piece st the New Review, it occurred to me that the people who are really killing children in Gaza are Donnison and Danahar:
“Hamas’s strategy has long been to attack from behind civilians to provoke Israeli retaliation and then use the collateral damage of those victims as a way to blame Israel. This is in fact a key element of their asymmetrical war with Israel. As one Gazan explained to an Italian reporter towards the end of Operation Cast Lead (OCL):
‘The Hamas militants looked for good places to provoke the Israelis. They were usually youths, 16 or 17 years old, armed with submachine guns. They couldn’t do anything against a tank or jet. They knew they were much weaker. But they wanted the [Israelis] to shoot at the [the civilians’] houses so they could accuse them of more war crimes.’
In other words, Hamas engages in the exceptionally rare wartime act of actively victimizing one’s own civilian population – specifically a war crime – in order to win a victory in cognitive war. And they can only do so, if a corrupt media on the scene (including NGOs and UN agencies), rather than expose their criminal strategies, play along and present the images of dead babies in the framework of the Palestinian narrative of Israeli victimization.”
http://www.newenglishreview.org/The_Iconoclast/
The logic of the situation is, that if the Beeb reporters let Hamas know that they could see what their game was, and they were not going to play along, but in stead tell the world what the name of the game is, presumably the brutes would stop their macabre charade because it was having no effect. In fact, by playing along, the BBC is not reporting on war crimes: it’s aiding and abetting them. I suppose they could plead gullibility in their defence – or blindness, owing to prejudice. The BBC: an organisation that commits war crimes.
This.
The Hamas strategy of running up civilian casualties can only work with the support of a compliant media. If the BBC would only report that Hamas is committing actual war crimes by siting weapons in civilian areas, their strategy would be DOA and there would be no further incentive to maximize casualties.
By refusing to perform its basic journalistic duty to report the facts, the BBC is as complicit as Hamas in all this.
Presumably the BBC would be much happier if more Jews were killed.
Wastn’t it Golda Meir who said “Israel will have peace with the Arabs when they love their own children more than they hate us”
I see the bBCs Jon Donnison is promoting Hamas again.
How much popular support for Israel-Gaza conflict?
Jon Donnison, Gaza City
Ever since Hamas came to power here in 2007, it has had to tread a fine line between sticking to its resistance movement roots and the more pragmatic business of governing Gaza’s population. It has to provide jobs, schools, hospitals and other social services.
Here’s what the UN has to say on the number of Schools Hamas runs:
ACCESS TO EDUCATION:
There are 640 schools in Gaza – 383 government schools, 221 UNRWA schools and 36 private schools, which together serve a total of 441,452
students.
So Hamas runs just under half of the schools in Gaza. I suppose getting gout of that allows them to plot attacking Israel.
The bBC, the traitors in our Midst,/b>
and the link
Click to access un_ngo_fact_sheet_blockade_figures_2009_07_28_english.pdf
And here’s more crap from that article:
Hamas has been accused of human rights abuses, arbitrary arrest, torture and even murder in Gaza.
Say Jon, do you think those six guys who were shot dead today and the one who had his body dragged through the streets may feel that you could solidify that statement.
Others say the Islamist movement has persecuted supporters of its rival faction, Fatah, which it forced from Gaza in a violent conflict in 2007.
Yeah, nothing like throwing people off the tops of buildings just becasue they belong to another political faction. But here’s a question Jon, in that takeover in 2007 161 people died in Gaza. There was no BBC wall to wall coverage of the deaths, there were no protests on the streets of the Uk and you know what, more people died in one week than the jews have killed in 2.
What you got to say about that Jon?
The bBC, the traitors in our Midst
This is interesting….comment on the IDF’s better ‘Press’ this time as they open up the war to media scrutiny and use social media to put their side of the story:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/11/raheem-kasaam-how-israel-is-winning-the-media-war-this-time-round-thanks-to-twitter.html
@wallygreeninker – the most perceptive comment I’ve read re the the conflict so far. How come you and I get it but so many don’t? Thank you!
Agree. Good one, Wally.
Anyone would think the BBC was more interested in stirring things up… and promoting the inevitable ongoing carnage.
Every unverified photo whips up those prone to hysteria, and every proven lie makes those determined to resist more committed.
So if there are any seeking to reach a resolution, their jobs keep getting more and more impossible with each ‘report/retraction’ cycle.
Eliot Carver exists, and has been cloned throughout the MSM, and nowhere more so than the BBC.
“run down of the ‘numbers’”
Applying box-ticking, number-crunching, target-meeting, bean-counting bollocks over common sense is a trait of one sector of society more than any other. To do so on casualty numbers is war-porn from sick puppies.
Nice one, Aunty.
Muslims the world over protest about how Evil Israel is and how we should boycott everything Israeli. Today in Jerusalem, Muslim protested about the Israeli actions against Gaza. Then the Air-raid warnings come on, watch how the protest stops as everybody seeks shelter inside a Jewish air-raid shelter. (Note how quick the men are to run and leave the women behind)
http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/muslims-protesting-against-israel-stop.html
I wonder how the British public would react if the national broadcaster just happened to air that clip. Maybe there lies the reason they haven’t.
The bBC, the traitor in our midst
Wow, they don’t stay up for long them vids do they… wonder why!
Barry Rubin seems to see perfectly well what is going on:
http://rubinreports.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-israel-hamas-war-and-suicide.html
(I think George R linked to this elsewhere)
A further example of self-harming in order to hoodwink international opinion is given by Elder of Ziyon, about Islamic Jihad posting a video boasting of how they are bombarding the Kerem Shalom crossing point, through which most of Gaza’s food, medicine and other aid is conveyed. Their intention is evidently to help cause a humanitarian disaster about which their useful idiots (accomplices?) in the media can then create a furore.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/islamic-jihad-boasts-of-targeting-aid.html
For details of how much stuff is still being supplied through the Kerem Shalom and Erez crossings:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/bloga.cfm/blog_id/44953/Israel-Crazily-Continues-To-Send-Aid-To-Gazan-Arabs
Thanks for the links Wally. Interesting given that on Monday evening on news 24 they had a piece on the conflict in which they spoke to three talking heads; Orlando Radice from the Jewish Chronicle, Sharif Nashasibi (Arab Media Watch) and Rachel Shabi which they described as an Israeli journalist.
Picking these would present to the average Joe the suggestion that you were going to get 2:1 Israeli, except once again it was far from it.
Nashasibi & Shabi are both Guardian regulars. Shabi’s description as an Israeli journalist seems a bit curious. The only description I could find of her was not as an Israeli but as an Iraqi Jew. It was this that made it all the more curious when as part of her anti Israel diatribe she went back to the war of 1948, Even curiouser was her mention of displacing Palestinians combined with an omission of the effect on Jews in other middle east countries by that same war, a situation her family would have been on the receiving end of, unless they’re part the 100 remaining Jews.
The real oddity though was how in this same piece she managed to “observe” that Gaza was “totally sealed off, with nothing coming in or out”. She seemed to offer that in the context of anytime, not just in war time.
Just a question, how many people know the name of the Israeli operation?
Operation Pillar of Defence
The bBC have mentioned this time and time again.
Now hands up anybody who knows the Hamas name of their operation. Sorry, you didn’;t know that Hamas had a op in play and that it had a code name. I wonder why the bBC has refused to mention this, maybe if they did they would give the impression that Hamas are also party to the conflict, which may explain why not one picture of a Hamas gunman, a rocket launching or even a bike dragging a man’s body around the streets of Gaza has been published by the bBC so as to impart the image that Hamas are have nothing to do with the conflict.
Oh Hamas’s codename for its current operations:
“Stones of Clay”, and its a Verse from the Quran.
Before someone else does it, I should point out that a still of the body being dragged behind the bike (pixellated out) was shown on the 10 o’clock news.
So the bbC which can afford 5 minutes and numerous articles on each and every Israel bomb blast, shows 1 picture. Where is the web article? Liek the foge; murders the bBc refuses to reveal bad news about Hamas in case the people of the West wake up to the fact that actually Islam isn’t a religion of peace.
“Gary Clement on Hamas killing of Israeli ‘spies’ in Gaza.”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/20/gary-clement-on-hamas-killing-of-israeli-spies-in-gaza/?
How the bBC lies to the British public in which to portray Islamic terrorists as only victims
Gaza crisis: Hamas upbeat on ceasefire hopes
A senior representative of Hamas has said that some “tough points have been solved” in negotiations with Israel and that a ceasefire could be declared within hours.
Osama Hamdan was speaking as talks between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators continued in Beirut. Israel launched its offensive, which it says is aimed at ending rocket fire from Gaza, with the killing of a Hamas military leader on Wednesday. More than 110 Palestinians and three Israelis have been killed since then.
How very civilized bBC, a well dressed man wearing a tie (Muslims say wearing a tie is against their faith) speaking about peace.
Here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you what Hamas are shouting out to the Arab world,
Hamas Leader: Israel Bluffing; ‘I Dare You to Invade’
Hamas’ supreme leader Khaled Mashaal charged in Cairo that Israel is bluffing by preparing for a ground incursion in Gaza. “If you wanted to launch it, you would have done it,” he told journalists Monday
How the bBC defends intolerant Islam at the expense of the jew.
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” in Gaza. He said air raids could not be deemed self-defence and Western countries were aiding a “terrorist state”, AFP reports.
The above is from the bBC ticker tape box on its Twitter feed.
and here is what they leave out:
US official reluctantly rejects Turkish rhetorical attacks’ on Israel
The US has publicly said it does not agree with NATO ally Turkey in its criticism of Israel over ongoing air strikes on Gaza, but the revelation, in response to incessant questions from a journalist inquiring into the wisdom of US silence “while people are dying left and right,” appeared to be a reluctant one.
The bBC, the traitors within our midst
Watching that bBC female apologist for Terrorism Lysle Dousett reporting live (In a flak jacket) from the roof tops of Gaza about the ongoing assault. But its as quiet as a mouse out there. there is nothing in the background and she isn’t even wearing a Helmet. Could the bBC be lying about the pounding Gaza is taking? heavens forbid that could be true could it?
“For more than a decade, Palestinian rockets have been part of life here.”
Not the bBBC of course, but the ITV News item this evening, from Sderot.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-11-20/israelis-targeted-by-hamas-rockets/
We all know how the BBC love to show emotive photos from the conflict, like dead or wounded(Palestinian) babies, destroyed Palestinian ‘homes’, even when some of these photos are later found to bogus.
So one wonders why they skipped the opportunity to show this one:
They do mention this incident, at least the shooting of the men, not the final ‘ride around town’ for one of them though.
Separately, Hamas fighters summarily executed six people on Tuesday afternoon, accusing them of being Israeli informers.
One eyewitness told AFP news agency: “Gunmen in a minibus pulled up in the neighbourhood, pushed six men out and shot them without leaving the vehicle.”
I guess the BBC doesn’t want to emote the public seeing Hamas as the barbarians they are.
“Hamas war against Israel is backfiring on terror gang”
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/hamas-death-article-1.1205423?localLinksEnabled=false
This is the kind of less-nuanced reaction the BBC expects from the Palestinians, so it’s dog-bites-man, not interesting for them to report. The soft racism of lowered expectations prevents the Beeboids from reporting it for what it is.
Did anyone see the BBC’s Michelle Husain’s utterly reprehensible performance yesterday on BBC World?
The sweet-faced, auto-cue reader turned into snarling, fuming dragon when interviewing someone from the Jerusalem Post. The cause of her fury being that only three or four Israelis had died as the result of rocket fire over the past few years.
When the Israeli journalist she was interviewing tried to explain politely that the relatively low-figure was irrelevant and what was important was the number of rockets that had actually been fired from Gaza and brought down by the Israeli missile shield (therefore representing the potential number of victims), Husain was having none of it. She repeatedly talked over the top of his replies in a rude and aggressive manner and seemed to suggest that the number of Israelis who had died was too small. Moreover, it seems that in her mind attempted murder is not a crime; it only becomes one when the victim is actually killed.
All in all, Husain left viewers in no doubt where her (and the BBC editorial) sympathies lay. Another disgraceful episode in the recent and sorry history of the manifestly biased British public broadcaster.
In reply to the question “How many dead Israelis would be enough for the BBC”. I suspect that many of them would think 6 million – or every last Israeli including the Arab citizens of Israel, who are traitors to the cause.
Come on her name gives the game away. Just surprised she doesn’t wear a burka.
Yes, BBC’s Ms Husain is a Muslim.
The Beeb idea of counting bodies is pure evil. It implies that Israel should imitate Hamas and expose its civilians to incoming fire. For in Gaza combatants are protected and civilians exposed, whereas in Israel it is the other way around.
Why don`t Blue Peter or Ground Force get their flabby arses over to Gaza to show them there how to make just ONE bomb shelter-if only for the Hummus Hookahs that deign to cruise Gaza in search of holiday snaps for the blog or Beeb.
Or don`t the P.A actually WANT their electorate to survive…just to stage deaths for the cameras, as per?
LOL @ Ground Force
Tel Aviv.
“Blast hits Tel Aviv bus, at least 17 hurt; police chasing terror suspects.
“Two casualties moderately-to-seriously wounded, three sustain moderate wounds; passersby ordered to keep distance from scene.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/blast-hits-tel-aviv-bus-at-least-17-hurt-police-chasing-terror-suspects-1.479535?
“The incident came as Israel continued its strikes on Gaza, including on a key compound of the Hamas government, and militants fired more rockets at Israel.”
From the bbc site… talk about weighting the text “Israel strikes” v “militants fired” its the subtle, and in this case not so subtle, slant that is going to prolong the conflict. Until the west actually starts to see Hamas as the problem nothing will be done against them.
Ah , but come on! The “bomb” could have just been a student prank or some such. Just a jolly jape, nothing too serious – that kind of stuff, you know?
I learned this from the estimable Mr. Donnason on the BBC News channel, who informed me that since no-one was actually killed, we don’t know whether Hamas actually intended to kill anyone, or what their motive was. “We’ll have to wait and see”, he told me.
So you see, all you evil Zionist, right-winger neo-con whack-jobs are just jumping to entirely unjustifiable conclusions in thinking that nice Hamas, who have been negotiating tirelessly for a ceasefire for days now to bring an end to the remorseless Israeli onslaught against toddlers, babies, meerkats and fluffy bunnies, might have actually intended to KILL anyone simply by dint of exploding a bomb on a bus full of people. I mean, perish the thought!
Very much the Beebs take on things(PM this evening 21/11/12).
Moderately to seriously wounded eh?…do tell us more!
I imagine it`ll be bad , disfiguring and a lifelong disaster and tragedy for the poor innocents involved.
But-in the eyes of reports like this one(and that of their pallies at the BBC)..nowhere near as bad as drawing a cartoon, making a crap film or naming your teddy bear after a former Muslim spokesman!
Oh-and for an update-a handful of missiles waftyed in c/o Hamas…then “Palestinian Groups”…and tonight, such atrocities were the actions of…yes, “militants”.
Important for the BBC to downgrade, de-escalate and seek consensual limewashes over Hamas actions…but ramp up whatever Israel says and does-with supporting pix from Syria to back up( oh dear, an error…never mind!).
The BBC are despicable…
“1,408 Missiles in 8 Days Fired by Gaza at Israel”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162359?
“Israel: Muslim students protest for Hamas in Jerusalem, until they have to flee Hamas rockets”
(video clip).
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/israel-muslim-students-protest-for-hamas-in-jerusalem-until-they-have-to-flee-hamas-rockets.html
You’d need a heart of stone,…
In other news, here’s one those 600+ geniuses who, on balance, think the BBC is a national treasure thanks to the top-hole http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpe6VoeAJPc info and factsy-stuff she gives ’em…
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2102/spiralling_bbc_legal_fees_leave_licence_fee_payers_out_of_pocket
Some skilled historians here.
I have been presented this as a counter-argument to my view that lobbing rockets willy-nilly is not a great way to ensure peace. It is of course powerful imagery.
Any comments that may assist once I engage debate, which mostly will rely on the same I use with the Falklands in terms of cherry-picking history with done deals and current crises. And two wrongs makes the last ditch efforts of a lost cause.
Well for a start, you couldn’t go wrong with looking up the Israel war of independence on Wiki as it contains a few basic maps from which to build your case and then there’s these snippets.
1) The Arab nations angry at how Israel was formed invaded in 1948 with 5 armies in which to push the Jew into the Sea. They informed the Arab population to get out of the way so as not to be harmed. The Land they invaded was Israel, that small strip of land which they coveted . |The thing is they lost and in 1949 when the ceasefire was signed between (1949 Armistice Agreements) the invading countries had no problem signing away the 1/3 of land which Israel had annexed.
2) Gaza was annexed by Egypt and the West Bank with Jordan.
3) Scale and colour have been used to give the impression of vast land theft. Look at the 3rd map the distance from the little bulge in the west bank to the sea above the word ‘Palestine’ is 8 miles.
4) Falsehood: Look at map 4 (2010) according to the author there are Israeli settlements in Gaza. Seeing as they pulled out in 2005 and handed Gaza over, I think you will find that is correct.
5) Falsehood Look at the Map (2010)That view of the Westbank is incorrect, here is what the WB looks like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Westbankjan06.jpg
Serial 4, That should read incorrect.
Tx.
I used to rely on the media, but, well, you know..
The BBC has slowly, cleverly and stealthily gutted its own mechanisms of interaction to mere shadows of their former selves, claiming the result is faster, more accurate, cheaper and ‘better’.
Well, one out of four ain’t bad, and likely true. For the BBC, possibly a result these days.
The rest is mostly devolved to twitter, which they can control out and back (and hence love, on top of charging UK residents for piggybacking a wild west foreign platform) and FaceBook, which is mostly a zoo (ditto.. look at Newsnight’s pathetic offering).
But tucked away (why… who can say?) are little bastions of debate still. Like this one I found…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2012/11/israel-gaza_the_tragedy_of_the.html
Now, from the author on, most seem to belong to a nice, cosy little club of regulars who, it seems safe to suggest, are ‘of a mind’. Reminds me of Richard Black’s little coven, who even had a section who created a site elsewhere to meet and strategise. Bless ’em. That worked out so well, too.
There are a few rather spoiling this new lot’s fun, though.
Apparently being in a position of localised force is just fine… when it’s them with the numbers.
Just in case we hear a report that the Israeli’s have kicked off and broken the ceasefire, base aware that we are 50 minutes into it that a rocket has landed in Shaar Hanegev and that sirens are blaring in Sderot.
I was just listening to Israel Army radio with Lieberman and Barak congratulating everyone under the sun for the ceasefire. All the while the studio kept interjecting yet another air raid warning.