Must just be a coincidence that the latest series of Mrs Brown’s Boys had a theme of gay marriage…and the final episode, with a stern lecture to the priesthood on ‘love’, was broadcast the night before a Commons vote on the subject.
I imagine someone thinks every little bit of pressure helps the Cause however unlikely.
Having said that..not so unlikely….most people would listen to the rib tickling ‘Mrs Brown’ than the no doubt earnest and well meaning but too in your face, so to speak, Peter Tatchell and his ilk…Ben Summerskill.
Cunning people at the BBC.
rib tickling
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic
i attempted to sit through an episode of this steaming turd of a show and I honestly can say it never even raised a smile
utter cack
Same here to me it is old fashioned tasteless and clichéd just the stuff the BBC and it’s in house comedy elite have been telling us for years ITV and the commercial sector was rotten with !
The BBC tired old ideas from a tired old corporation!
think i d rather sit through “when the whistle blows” deliberate gervais spoof than this.
oh … and why is the f-word suddenly the height of new comedy?
… i had to sit through one of these quite a while back – and
twas all oirish feck …. so it was, at all at all …. but strangely not anymore …
perhaps bernard manning was “alternative” after all 😀
I concur, My wife finds it hilarious whilst I find it annoyingly stupid and don’t watch it.
kinda like it meeself, beejasus 😀
Watched 30 seconds of this tripe a while back and never again. Even Brigstocke, Steel and the hateful Hardy are funnier.
Most populat program (except Soaps) at Xmas. Highest ratings on BBC, hightest approval ratings.
And as for Mrs Brown being part of a cunning plot …most people in UK approve of gay marriage.
I wonder how many posters on this site are lonely middle aged men…
well cold titz
1.when was the referendum taken then?
2.proof that the majority of bbc viewers are utter cretins
Hi colditz, I have no doubt the it was the most popular programme, I tried to watch bit after being told about it at Christmas (I don’t watch a lot of TV); my opinion concurs with the first two comments on this thread.
That said, being the most popular programme, surely your comment highlights the sense to use such programmes for subliminal propaganda messages…
Dear colditz,
You post here more frequently than I do. So I can assume you are a ‘lonely middle aged man’?
Best regards,
Kyoto
Hi Jim!!
Hello Colditz!
Margaret Hodge?…Islingtons Childrens Homes?…Childrens Minister?
You can run, but you can`t hide!
Your views please!…or do we owe her an apology for that too?
Ratings ? what so now populist rubbish is good? funny when Downton was getting huge ratings or when X-factor was getting millions watching, your BBC couldn’t control it’s self with it’s hatred and at every opportunity populist commercial TV is mocked an pocked fun at by your puppet masters at the ministry !
Hypocrite!
Public executions would be popular, Mrs B’s Boys is just poor stuff.
Drivel in fact.
And I would judge a man’s taste by his not watching soaps or that program.
Most people in the UK approve of ending mass immigration, withdrawing from the EU and are opposed to Islamification. Don’t see the powers that be accepting a majority viewpoint there, though.
Colditz = Nicked Emus
ColditzScottDez, most people oppose it – still, why should that stop a left wing minority trying to impose its views on the viewer and the general public?
http://c4m.org.uk/signatures/
Actually, repeated polling by various polling organisations shows that a majority of people are in favour. Linking to the Coalition for Marriage suggests you may not be interested in a balanced view, since they’ve been the most vocal opponents and have had no qualms about spreading misinformation in order to deceive people as to what equal marriage will actually mean.
Oh, and by the way, different people who disagree with you are quite capable of being different people. If you insist on claiming they’re not, it doesn’t make your argument stronger: it just makes you look like a dick.
Blah blah Scrott can you please get off the one trick pony we have pages of bias that you say sod all on but mention this one ‘Marriage and gay’ and here you are! sad as obviously this is only defining thing about you! this one cause, shallow ain’t you ?
“it just makes you look like a dick. ”
Wishful thinking, Scott?
Now, here is how it works, Scott.
Even when not replying to you.
If you like, then add one.
Having got that out of the way, you can of course still talk about folk, or, let them talk about themselves…
‘could do with using less offensive language’
One is sure there are many unique reasons you are not a flaming hypocrite in this.
ps: I notice also that while Ian has indeed cited but one source, you have mentioned ‘varieties’, but failed to actually link to them as he did.
Is this a BBC research/editorial application in the making?
“I notice also that while Ian has indeed cited but one source, you have mentioned ‘varieties’, but failed to actually link to them as he did.”
ICM/Guardian, 19 December: 62% support same-sex marriage
Survation/Mail on Sunday, 14 December: 60% support
YouGov, 9 December: 55% support
Ipsos MORI/Freedom to Marry: 73% support
YouGov/Sunday Times, 10 May: 51% support
Populus, 9 March: 65% support
In contrast,
ComRes/Coalition for Marriage, 14 November: 28% support.
These surveys and more are listed in the House of Commons library research documentation collated for MPs, which is freely available on the web. I’m afraid I only have a downloaded PDF in front of me, not the source URL.
Now was that so hard?
But… no answer on the hypocrisy then, Scott? Seems selectivity in reply is not beyond you as you accuse others. Which adds a double to the double standard. Awesome ability.
Tx for the PDF data, that you… keep handy.
Bless you for learning the term hypocrite. Now look at your own behaviour and have a think about why it applies to you.
So, as expected, no answer, coherent or not.
I will continue to chip in about you Scott, as you infest this site like a virus and it is clear you hope to exist in some state of malign immunity through embracing a persecution complex whilst, perversely, imagining this means you can do what you like.
However, replying to you further on matters of Q&A or schoolyard fallout is no longer worth the effort.
Call it my version of an expediting, BBC style.
So there.
Bless. Guest Who’s unhappy that I don’t like playing his little game, so he’s going to take half his ball away.
🙂
Your hate speech marks you out as an intolerant fascist bigot. Hitler would have loved you – or at least Ernst Rohm would have.
They’re out in force today.
Alan,
There is a difference between bias (something that is almost a daily occurrence on the BBC) and a comedy dealing with a topical issue. Posts like this damage the credibility of this site and allow the BBC and its supporters to dismiss it as full of nuts.
You mean comedy programmes like the News Quiz and the Now Show. You must be joking.
Those two stopped being comedy shows years ago.
My point remains, bias and covering topical subjects positively or negatively are not the same thing.
If a topical subject has people with differing opinions, see the Conservative Party, and the programme is pushing just one side then that is bias. If it was just people discussing a subject properly, and not scripting one actor, playing an idiot, making stupid comments while the other actor sounding reasonable that may constitute discussion of a topical subject.
I have never seen this programme, so cannot say whether this script was politically biased, but the BBC does have a lot of form on this kind of indoctrination so I suspect the original post is probably correct.
“There is a difference between bias and a comedy dealing with a topical issue”
Then why were the heads of comedy and childrens programs required to attend the 28gate seminars if it was not to construct a volksgemeinschaft?
It is agitprop pure and (very) simple
‘Posts like this damage the credibility of this site’
A view, for sure, and one welcome to hold and share.
If on matters of credibility, rather oddly akin to previous ‘I rarely post but…full of nuts’ critiques, especially with another abroad lamenting all that could be if posts were more shaped just the way they want than currently.
Alan is established as a site author, and seems to help serve to attract the near 14.5M audience thus far.
A poster expressing a personal opinion is fair enough, but when more than one appear in such a way one has to wonder if getting to the ambitious ideal of pleasing all people, all of the time is really the main intention.
Alan has cited art in complement to advocacy as coincidental. Maybe so. Maybe not. But it does happen a lot on purpose too. The very definition of propaganda. And that is best served to the masses via means most palatable to their needs and expectations.
Maybe it’s just the frequency of such representative fiction is such that appearing in complement to a more high profile real event happens more often than not. That empathetic characters espouse singular views in a manner that serves ‘the narrative’ whilst contrary ones are not framed as engagingly (if at all) could simply be yet more coincidence. One supposes. Lead times from commission to script to shoot to broadcast are usually long, but rewrites and reshoots are not unheard of nearer the day as events unfold.
Considering the topic, one might still wonder why, given the relative importance to most of the public outside the M25 bubble head zone, this topic appears so pervasive.
Like bias, criticism can be subtle, but dripped often enough, even lightly it can still be designed not to improve but to taint.
Your first sentence sufficed to serve light; the second was more in service of something else.
That is of course just my view. The beauty of this forum at least is we both get to share. The ironies remain… that to do so elsewhere relevant would be less to impossible; or even here high horses get mounted on who gets to opine and who should not in turn.
Ralph, Alan’s post damages the credibility of this site only in the minds of those who have no problem with the BBC deliberately engaging in social engineering, deliberately trying to influence the public on a specific issue, and quite possibly trying to influence your political system as well – when you approve of the issue they’re pushing. It’s especially interesting considering that the BBC claims they don’t do this. It shouldn’t matter if you approve of their political position or not. It’s another 28-Gate and none of you seems to make that link.
One has to wonder if BBC defenders would be so sanguine if a BBC sitcom or drama did a show encouraging, for example, support for Israel.
David,
The BBC is not engaged in some massive social engineering program through mediocre comedy. The bias comes from consistently commissioning left of centre comedy and nothing else.
Actually, 28-Gate is proof that they do engage in massive social engineering on certain issues.
Having said that, I’d rather watch The Royle Family any day.
The BBC is full of can’t get a job in the real world lefties who employ others of the same ilk so they can produce programming that supports their world view. 28-Gate is clear proof of that.
They are as capable of social engineering as Gordon Brown has at being human.
I would not disagree that much of their output is is little more than lumbering pantomime,especially near the lower end of the food chain,popular drama for instance where the writers have only the crudest understanding of what is required of them.
There are few if any Brechts among their ranks,but like the apparatchiks of Soviet Russia they know well enough how to keep their jobs.
But I am less sanguine than you about the effect of this continues propagandising especially as the BBC does not exist in a vacuum.
It is rather the public face of a self appointed patrician class that dominates and controls most of our civic institutions,
the law,education,the civil service and so on. What it amuses me to call the liberal inquisition,but perhaps is more accurately referred to by the french as the 68ers.I do not believe that they meet cowled in some subterranean temple (though they do have their own freemasonary in common purpose) but they are self selecting and share a common world view based on moral relativism which,having rejected religion in their youth and seen the failure of Messianic Marxism,has acquired for them all the attributes of a religious faith.
So no, there is no plot masterminded from broadcasting house or the Frankfurt school,but there is a shared belief that Britain would be a better place reconstructed in line with that unchallengeable world view and to that extent they are engaged in social engineering .
If David P (USA) would rather watch the Royale Family it tells me how bad Mrs Brown’s Boys must be (I have see the last few seconds of MBB before the start of some other programmes and that has been enough)
Oh course the BBC is agenda pushing. You damage your credibility if you seek to deny this, especially if you describe the people who point this out as “nuts”.
Personally I cannot make up my mind on the issue (of gay marriage), I see evil (and goodness) on both sides, but to deny that the writers of Mrs Brown’s Boys (and the BBC in general) have an agenda on this particular issue (whatever view you take) is frankly absurd.
“The BBC is not engaged in some massive social engineering program”
But thats exactly what their about.
In ungaurded moments they admit to it.
They even have a compliance commissariat to ensure every one is on message
When the names of the people present at the notorious 2007 meeting of experts who decided the science of climate change was settled beame public, some people were bemused as to why the Head of Comedy was present. bBBC regulars were somewhat less surprised than most.
The BBC can not be trusted to handle social and political issues fairly. This morning Nicky Campbell hosted a typically loaded debate on this subject upon which the BBC has already made up its mind. He made a Freudian slip by calling Tory opponents ‘cynical’. He corrected himself and called them ‘skeptics’ of Cameron’s Bill. I’m not sure that skeptic is a fair description of one side of the argument, I’m damned sure cynics is biased in the extreme.
I say again, the BBC can not be trusted to be unbalanced on issues about which it has already made up its mind.
Shelagh Fogarty even askd if there was any ‘risk’ of the Bill not being passed.
This programme is a real insult to Irish women everywhere, as far as I`m concerned.
My mum was Irish, and I know where affection ends…somewhere well inside Mrs Doyles limits..and where nastiness begins…and this awful unfunny Mrs Brown stuff is well into the misogynist areas where the likes of Womans Hour would be shrill, and the pro-Celtic romantics of John Moores Uni(Liverpool Poly in old money) would be shouting “racist” etc,..”no dogs blacks,” and that script we all know so well!
Ah, but if the cause requires it…if the message is “on”…Citizen Khan, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, Manic St Preachers etc etc….then it`s indulged, and gets medals and wards thrown at it!
“Crap to be sure, an` all an all!”
An Irishwoman saying “I knew he didn’t love me when the beatings stopped” would pass the censor because it’s a negative comment on men. But if a moslem woman was to say it…?
Wonder if they will throw a few gags about Muslim grooming gangs, kebab shop pick up techniques or acid attacks into “Citizen Khan” when it is inevitably re-commissioned for a new series?
Nah, me neither.
I watched this episode and thought it was beautiful. Mrs Brown may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but I guess that depends on who you are. Like me, all the working class families I know love this sitcom. It was a lovely end to the series and biased or not leaves very much needed food for thought on the prejudices of the so called leaders of the communities. The new law will include same sex marriages in churches where they permit. Personally I do believe that it goes against the bible but then its open for interpretation and who’s to say the standard interpretation of the bible is the correct one? If you’re good person then you will see that God is in your heart and there you will find right and wrong. When Mrs Brown asked the priest “What’s God’s stance on love? What God would not sanctify love? Well, there it is! In a nutshell. What a brilliant question. UK right there learning and growing from words born from a mother’s love.
So you agree it was a piece of agitprop?
Serena
you sound like someone who has just spent a lot of time with the Jesus seminar-the infamous band of liberal wishy washy post modern revisionists-more new age than anything Christian
what did Jesus Himself say on the subject?
Matthew 19 v 4-6
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
in other words,He was telling them that they were scholars of Torah and should have known what it said
not once did Jesus ever tell the jews that anything in the law was ambiguous or confusing
indeed what He did say was this-
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or
the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5v17
it isn’t open to “interpretatation”-it’s clear as a bell
Dear me Serena!
You cannot understands Gods love without having equal regard for His anger…and it`s righteous, not self-righteous.
His gaff…His rules….and we are trashing all that He and His Boy lived for ,died for and rose again for.
We have no excuse…and “What God would not sanctify love?”…well there are apparently 99 words for God in describing Allah(the wise, the etc etc…)…but guess what ?
Love is NOT one of them!
Drop God, dismiss Jesus…get Sharia!
Any chance of an unfunny drag act ever saying THAT on the BBC?…cue tumbleweed!
Er well I’m working class and poor but unlike many I choose to better my mind and find things that don’t pander to my so called ‘social position’ so Serena like your working class friends I know my place but I’m boll**ked if some middle class BBC comedy writer is going to tell me it !
I hardly think those voting in the Commons today will be unduly influenced by a sitcom broadcast by the BBC or anyone else.
I think those voting in the commons today are treating this country like a sitcom
Can’t disagree with that.
Never underestimate the power of Drip, Drip, Drip.
You’re refering to Cameron, Clegg and Miliband, of course.
Genius! Well played Reed!
i think this nonsense serves a good purpose- if someone admits to watching and enjoying, then you know to give them a swerve.
If this charade hastens the end of Cameron’s version of conservatism then bring it on.
Time to be clear about things and this wretched government needs to go.
Now if I was very cynical I would suspect that Cameron is being very devious. Maybe he hopes to finish off the Tory party and lose the next election.
Then all those wonderful promises about the EU and a referendum bite the dust.
Which is exactly what the liberal elite wants.
It is about love alright. Cameron just wants the BBC and the Guardianistas to love him.
The Bible is pretty clear on the gays. Let’s not forget though that it was written by old men living in the desert 2000 years ago, who knew infinitely less about the world around us than we do.
Proverbs:
‘A leak that keeps dripping on a rainy day and the nagging of a wife are the same -‘
remarkable and ironic that the critics of the bible who disagree with its clear stance on sodomy hark back to the”desert dwellers of 2000 years ago” defence,while at the same time insist on taking us back even further to the days and ways of sodom
and we know how God dealt with that particular problem
Our whole civilisation is based on the bible.
When we followed what is in the bible it flourished, was healthy and got better.
In the last 50 years we have turned our back on the bible and our civilisation has gone down the toilet.
God must not be a very happy man right now.
So until 1962 everything in the world was perfect and by following the bible humanity “flourished, was healthy and got better.” I am sure those living during 1914-18 and 1939-45 may disagree as would many others who lived in the period before civilisation went “down the toilet”.
a lot of them do believe in a god
unfortunately,their god tends to dangle between their legs
If you don’t like it, why do you watch it?
You must have a lot of energy and time to burn to cast your judgement on a TV show you don’t even like. Here’s my advice: turn the channel to watch something more enjoyable instead of watching something that just makes your blood boil… Your guaranteed to enjoy life a bit more.
As for me, I find Mrs Brown’s Boys a good giggle. I don’t look into depth about its target audience or theories behind its script… I just enjoy it as it is: a laugh (that’s the show’s intention, isn’t it?). About the episode reflecting gay marriage, I don’t give a crumb about it. Times are changing, it always is… I just shrug my shoulders and move on if it doesn’t concern me or harm me in anyway.
As people say, “laughter is the best medicine”. I watch a show and enjoy it, while you… well, you have a remote.
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