There is a new, at least to me, theme that it might be worth listening out for on the BBC, and elsewhere.
There are no links for this but I have heard this new theory several times now on the BBC.
For over thirty years the BBC has attacked Mrs Thatcher’s policies and record, blaming her for destroying manufacturing, the mining and steel industry, rising unemployment, social breakdown…and added to that is now welfare dependency and the economic crash in 2008.
But suddenly there is a new theory of ‘Thatcherism’…..whilst her critics still blame her for anything seen to be bad in their eyes, they can’t help but recognise that a very great number of people believe that Thatcher and her policies ‘saved’ Britain from being an economic basket case.
Tricky one that…how to get around it?
The answer they’ve come up with is that Britain’s economic recovery had nothing to do with Thatcher….it was going to happen anyway….all those old, inefficient industries were on the brink of a productivity revolution anyway, the Unions were about to introduce self regulation and rein in their wildcat strikes, a spirit of entrepreneurship was about to sweep the country and rejuvenate its businesses and finances.
Thatcher was just in the right place at the right time and she has taken the credit and the plaudits for something that had nothing to do with her.
On Nicky Campbell’s show a while back it was suggested she was ‘lucky’….But I guess the harder you work the luckier you get…and I would reckon Thatcher made her own luck.
As I said for 30 years Thatcher was to blame for all the ills of society…..and now paradoxically it wasn’t her at all…it would have happened even if she hadn’t been in power.
Still, I imagine that won’t stop them blaming her for the 2008 crash.
Listen out for it. The new grand theory. ‘Thatcher Who’. Like the BBC’s other bit of imaginative fiction, ‘Dr Who’, but even less plausible.
just ask a certain A Scargill how effective she was?
No need say more.
He was totally kippered lol
But the last time I heard that fantasist say anything, on the BBC naturally, he was claiming that he had won a Great Victory. That, of course, was completely in keeping with the BBC line, they too love to rewrite the history of that period to suit how they would like things to have happened.
Another one to keep an eye (and ear) out for is that she didn’t really help to end the Cold War. It was all Gorbachev’s doing and the fall of the Berlin Wall and end of communism was inevitable. Nothing to do with Mrs Thatcher so no need to give her any credit for foreign policy.
Sorry to disagree but the arms spending she encouraged by Reagan virtually bankrupted the old soviet union. Many factors came together to speed the break up, but it wasn’t all Gorbachev on his own.
She has been credited with and blamed for many things, but dictating US defence policy and spending is a new one on me
You have completely (thoughtlessly?) missed Sir ASG’s point! He is saying that her detractor’s claim it was all Gorby; of course it was not, which everyone except the willfully obtuse (usually young, lefty idiots) know.
Gorbachev originally had no intention og Glasnost going as far as it did. Internal Democracy movements in many of the countries as well as a push from Mrs Thatcher and Mr Reagan did the trick and it had gone too far for Gorbachev to reverse it. I think he was pleased with the end result but had not planned for it.
There was a big old Thatcher debate on the Channel 4 Liberal shitbox, I mean, “Soapbox” “10 O’Clock Live”…Not strictly BBC, but it might have well been (Lauren Laverne, David Mitchell, Charlie “I’m married to a Muslim, y’know” Brooker & Jimmy “What tax?” Carr.
Anyway, one section on Thatcher, it was Mitchell, Shouty Jones, Theo Paphitis (sp) & Katie Hopkins.
Jones was smashed from pillar to post by Theo & Katie, bailed out numerous times by Mitchell…but here is the really disgusting bit….every time Jones said anything (lied basically) the Liberal left wing audience roared it’s approval, anything Pro-Thatcher from Theo or Katie….SILENCE.
We are in trouble boys and girls, the brainwashing is so deep that even with the facts, presented by a business guru, the youthful lefties could not compute.
It was like…”But…wha…wha…what!!….no, no, no….Thatcher…BAD…She BAAAAAAD.”
…hopefully all the news during the ,mourning’ and funeral would have made a few at least see the light.
You would hope so, but they are young, impressionable goatie bearded scamps…they can be re-educated quite easily…Labour wouldn’t want to loose a new generation they have been carefully nurturing..
Maybe Maggies parting gift in death to us all, was the news had to be honest, the debates had to be listened to, and it shook awake a few of the brainwashed youth out there, who can then pass on the message to their other braiwashed chums that the left and the BBC have been lying to them.
My youngest son has just gone into business on his own. Nothing wrong with his previous job he just knew it was time to see what he was made of. . My family have been like that for generations. Does’nt care about BBC style economics, triple dip and the rest of it. He knows he has a good idea and with serious hard work- 7 days all the hours- and a bit of luck plus a fine wife he will make it.
This is how it is and always has been in this world of ours. . You either understand it or you end up like th
e average beeboid/Guardian whiner/ liberal waffler/greenie/ welfare taker.
The irony is this lot depend on people like my youngest making a success of it. Where else is the money to come from and the jobs and the economic activity.
I am sick and tired of liberal idiots whose notion of reality is Mickey Mouse.
And before you ask. He will never vote Labour or Liberal Democrat. As to Tory. That is his affair
If it was all going to happen anyway, because they were all on board with the coming changes, it’s strange that her enemies put up such a strong fight at the time and still resent her success all these years later.
I will listen out for it – on the few times I actually tune to their channels. It would be the ultimate tribute to her policies, if the only recourse her foes have is to pretend that her success was all a product of an unavoidable destiny. They portray themselves as fools fighting against the tide, drowned by inevitability.
Who are the radicals, and who are the dinosaurs.
A new theme you say? The BBC commissioned historian Dominic Sandbrook to write a Viewpoint article on exactly this subject, with exactly this viewpoint, published on April 9.
Draw your own conclusions.
Cheers for that….a link!
Proof positive:
‘Historians will surely reach a more nuanced verdict.
Even if she had never been prime minister, many of the changes she came to represent, from privatisation and deregulation to the death of heavy industry and the rise in unemployment, would almost certainly have happened anyway, only more slowly.
If she had fallen under a bus in 1978, would Britain today be so different? Her champions and her critics would answer with a firm yes. But I doubt it.’
Thatcher’s most interesting characteristic?…that she was a woman.
Looks like we were a couple of votes away from the eventuality that these changes ‘would almost certainly have happened anyway, only more slowly’.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-and-the-missing-votes/
Oh dear. The memory of Margarat Thatcher reminding too many people of what Greatness is.
Scramble the spin teams, get that narrative under control!!!
Has the BBC seized on this as proof that Thatcher’s entire political career was based on fraud yet? If only they’d had all-women short lists back then, or someone had a young niece or granddaughter to parachute into a seat, eh? Then this kind of undemocratic stuff wouldn’t have happened.
The Polling site UK Polling has noticed a significant fall in Labours lead over the coalition, some have reported that it is by as much as half.
It seems that leftie Dave is so utterly useless that Margaret Thatcher even in death can put in a better performance than he can.
My biggest problem with the Tory party aside from the fact that it is so fractured over Europe, that it will destroy itself rather than reach a compromise, but who is going to follow leftie Dave when he inevitably loses the election in 2015?
Anyway, here’s the write up:
“The most obvious explanations for the current narrowing relate to Margaret Thatcher’s funeral. That could impact the polls in terms of lots of positive retrospectives about Thatcher in the media… or could have an indirect effect in the sense that it interupted the normal flow of politics. David Cameron got to spend a week or two looking statesmanlike without the normal dirty business of politics and governing. However one could equally look at other underlying factors, the welfare debate for example, perhaps a generally more focused presentation by the government since Lynton Crosby returned, some figures from the Blair era apparently criticising Ed Miliband. All these things add up.”
Our greatest wartime Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, is going to appear on banknotes, so how about getting our greatest peacetime Prime Minister, Mrs Thatcher, likewise honoured?
I think Churchill was an appallingly poor prime minister, if it hadn’t been for the wartime propaganda , which still clouds his legacy then I think more people would see the reality.
Yes he was a good figurehead, and a delivered his speeches well, but nearly every decision he made was the wrong one. No wonder there were so many no confidence votes in his leadership, and the British public rejected him as soon as the war was over.
“if it hadn’t been for the wartime propaganda , which still clouds his legacy then I think more people would see the reality.”
So people who don’t share your point of view can’t see the wood for the trees? Very BBC, that.
He remained leader of the opposition after losing the 1945 election to Labour, but was then re-elected in 1951 and retired in 1955.
Doesn’t sound like no confidence in his leadership, despite the BBC doing their best to keep Labour in even at that time.
Churchill retired in 1955 because he had suffered a couple of strokes. Even then he had to delay his retirement because his successor, Anthony Eden, was struck down with a debilitating illness that continued throughout his subsequent premiership, and could, some historians deduce, have affected his judgement in the run up to the Suez Crisis.
I would like to see evidence of “Nearly every decision he made was the wrong one”?
Your “thoughts” are an irrelevancy “thoughtful. Go and read some history books about WW2 and you will discover the facts. Behind the great man Winston, was Clement Atlee, one of the greatest administrators this country has ever seen. Although two very different men, together they were a formidable team.
Very dissappointing that rather than challenging a point of view some posters have learned from the left that when you cannot frame an arguement or a response it’s more effective to begin to insult the person.
As a believer in freedom, of thought speech and of expression we should all respect each others different beliefs. Trying to make each of us think the same is exactly what the BBC and the left wing is trying to do.
What next calling any posts you really dissagree with ‘vile’ ?
There were some very clear points made above by several posters that refuted your statement. Instead of responding to any of them you chose to adopt victim status. This tactic does not work here – we see through it. Either shit or get off the pot.
More here in today’s Telegraph about Churchill
Baptism of fire showed Winston Churchill’s inner steel
Britain’s great wartime leader first went into battle at 22 – against the Taliban’s brutal ancestors – and almost lost his life. An extract from Con Coughlin’s new book recreates the dramatic events
Our modern day politicians should exhibit even a smattering of the same fibre.
The Gorbachev-Thatcher debate is very interesting, but surely we must remember that while Thatcher and Regan pressured for confrontation with the USSR, a vital element that helped accelerate the breakup of the USSR was the fact that Gorbachev was more receptive than someone like Brezhnev would have been?
Reagan*
BBC 2 put out a 90 minutes programme about the earlier life of Margaret Thatcher tonight, ‘Young Margaret’.
It was interesting not least because the consultant on the programme was her biographer, Charles Moore.
‘Young Margaret’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01s94j1
Moore’s biography of Margaret Thatcher (volume 1) became available this week:-