Interesting report from the BBC here on the dead Boston bomb suspect Tsarnaev.
Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev already held extreme views when he visited Russia, Islamists in Dagestan have told US media. Tsarnaev’s cousin Magomed Kartashov, a local Islamist leader, reportedly spent hours trying to dissuade him from becoming a militant Russian anti-terrorist police have interrogated Mr Kartashov, who is in custody over an unrelated offense.
So, he was an avowed jihadist, a militant Islamist who favoured violence. Plus ca change. But if you read on into the BBC report you then come across this…again from Kartashov.
“Don’t understand me wrong, but Sept. 11 led many Americans to convert to Islam. It’s another question that people died there, sure.
Huh? Those pesky Americans, dying by the 100o in NYC and all so many could convert to …erm…Islam? The BBC seems unable to accept that Americans were the innocent VICTIMS on 9/11, that militant Islam was the aggressor, and so it likes to run these kind of below the headline story that somehow implies that America is always to blame.
Since being introduced to this site and being fully exposed to this vile institution, it really does anger me at how they are allowed to get away with it. Cameron, pull your finger out and do something about this! (i wont bank on it though)
If the PM couldn’t see the nonsense of this post then I would depair for us all.
It wasn’t Kartashov who is quoted as saying this, but Bilyal Magomedov, another member of the ‘Union of the Just’.
Isn’t this just a quote from what one of the ‘Members of an Islamist political organisation in Dagestan, the Union of the Just’ said when speaking to ‘US reporters’?
And doesn’t it simply demostrate that despite what Kartashov and other members have said in the article, not all the members might be inclined to preach peace to someone intent on Islamist violence?
Does the reader read his comments and think, ‘Yeah, I’m with the Chechen Islamist who thinks its good in principle that the Boston bombings happened?
Bring back Alan!
Isn’t the actual point, Celery, that this is yet more evidence that the BBC was wrong in their initial attempts to assure everyone that there was probably no connection to Islamic jihad and that nobody had any idea about the bombers’ motives, and in their speculation that it was most likely white, Right-wing extremists?
No, actually that wasn’t the point of Mr Vance’s post. He asserts that the quote was included because that’s the BBC’s opinon, and that it shares the view that the US brought 9/11 on itself.
As I pointed out, he is flat out wrong. I also think its a distasteful accusation when unsupported by any evidence. To borrow your own oft used phrase, you are defending the indefensible.
In regard to your point; ‘this is yet more evidence that the BBC was wrong in their initial attempts to assure everyone that there was probably no connection to Islamic jihad ‘
This ‘evidence’ you are pointing to, is in a BBC article! No irony there. Secondly, the BBC did not suggest there was ‘probably no connection’.
I don’t think anyone can deny that more and more evidence has emerged over hours, days and weeks about the motive. I believe the BBC has coverd that as its developed. As in the very article we’re talking about.
And the quote itself is still wrongly attributed.
It’s extraordinary how so many sensible people insist of downplaying the obvious factor in this case. The outrageous media line over the Boston terrorist attacks is still being played out and it basically boils down to: “yes yes they had links to Chechen Islamists but what was the real motivation behind the attacks? We just don’t know why they did it? Was it because there wasn’t enough effort to aid integration?” This approach is not just wrong, but tells us where western civilisation will go in the long run – to ruin, because we are choosing to deny the problem facing us. Islamists want to destroy our civilisation, our culture, our nations, our way of life.
Before any bleeding hearts get on here, I am not saying that is true of all or of most Muslims – many are ordinary folk who get on with their lives just like the Christian or secular masses. But Islamism isn’t about a reaction to something the West did – it is an evil in itself. It isn’t a legitimate reaction to Iraq, or support for Israel, or anything tangible that fits nicely with the left wing apologist’s rational explanations. It’s a cancer that wants to destroy everything that modern society is and everything it stands for. These guys in Boston are a significant part of that, small though their attack was in the scheme of things, and the reaction of many of the chattering classes – basically a shrug of the shoulders, a “yeah, but so what” – is utterly appalling. I’m not a pessimist by heart but I fear greatly for the future of our society and its values unless people start being honest and confronting this evil (not a trendy word in these times of moral equivalence, I know).
Sorry for the rant! I highly recommend anyone read Mark Steyn, if they don’t already. He gets it, it’s just troubling how few others seem to.
Most Muslims are quite nice and OK till they read the koran. Thats when the trouble starts.
This Pamela Geller woman comes across as a feisty Jewess who is very anti Jihad and I must admit this is the first time I have come across her. Any thoughts on her?
Over the top, gets things wrong sometimes, and will not for a nanosecond convince defenders of the indefensible – who love to play the man/source and not the ball/story – of anything. If we’re not posting links to the Washington Post, CNN, NY Times, or the Guardian, they won’t believe a word of it and will dismiss it simply because of the source.
Over the top = passionate?
…gets things wrong sometimes = human
🙂
but you’re right, unfortunately even if she was 100% right about everything she is the “Daily Mail” “Geert Wilders” etc, mention them and the fingers go in ears and la la de da starts.
You don’t have to be psychiatrist to figure it out. Faced with a hostile external force that means you harm, your defence is to declare its all your own fault, blame yourself for causing the enemy to attack you. All you need to do is be nice to them and they won’t harm you. You are safe. Except you are not.
Obama tours the Muslim world to apologise for Bush’s America. The Left say we are being attacked because America has been a trigger-happy warmonger. 9/11? America had it coming. The Question Time syndrome.
Bengazi wasn’t an Al Queda attack, follow the script. It was spontaneous reprisal for an American made video insulting Islam. White House talking points, may be the ambassador had it coming?
Versions of this script spout from the liberal/left daily. “Nice” ordinary muslims just keep their heads down, and their wives covered up. Beware the converts – the most dangerous of all, in search of a cause, hatred of a degenerate “West” – and their parents.
I love it when reality forces the BBC to report things they were actively trying to convince you didn’t exist when this all originally went down.
Sadly, I know they won’t learn their lesson, and the next time something like this happens, they’ll be pointing fingers in preferred directions all over again. If only the highly-trained, experienced professional journalists at the BBC would take the advice given to us so often by defenders of the indefensible….
@dp111.must agree,take the koran away from muslims would be like smacking a child when they put there hand in the fire.this book called the koran is driving muslims into a world of hate and extremism.
Melanie Phillips covers this subject very well in her latest article
Obamastan