With global warming having stopped some years ago, the eco-cultists have been a bit down in the mouth so the BBC and our pal Roger Harradin have given them a bit of a much needed boost by leading the rising levels of carbon dioxide is bringing about the end of the world charge, without any sense of a need for balance.
END OF THE WORLD…
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‘Carbon dioxide is regarded as the most important of the manmade greenhouse gases blamed for raising the temperature on the planet over recent decades.
The last time CO2 was regularly above 400ppm was three to five million years ago – before modern humans existed.
Scientists say the climate back then was also considerably warmer than it is today.’
Erm… *scratches head*
Only four percent of the CO2 in the Atmosphere is Volcanic or Man-made CO2.
A fall in the Earths average surface temperature of 16 Kelvin in the last 50 million years correlates with a drop in the atmospheric pressure of almost one bar, or in other words a halving of the Earths atmospheric pressure at the surface due to half of the mass of the Earths atmosphere being lost to Space.
As the decrease in pressure increases the speed of transfer of heat, the decrease in heat maintains the equilibrium with the input of heat from the Sun. This is called the laps rate.
This would decrease the amount of CO2 in the Atmosphere, relative to that in the Oceans, because colder Seas are more CO2 absorbent.
It also explains the problem in Astronomy of why the Sun has increased in Solar Irradiance over the last 50 million years, while the Earth has got colder.
I thought Radio 3 was a retard-free zone but this morning even their brief news reports were proclaiming that the (non-pollutant) CO2 levels were higher than gazillions of years ago. It seems that the bbc just can’t stop their evil ways. Like their adverts for the fabian society on what was Radio7 just before childrens programmes started.
Record CO2, record world population, no warming in 17 years. Oh dear. Green Eco-Taliban demand counselling. Coalition pretends there is a link, increases taxes to prevent something that isn’t happening from happening. UKip anti-establishment vote grows daily.
Then keep it up, guys.
The link page mentions Brian Hoskins, who says said a greater sense of urgency about tackling climate change is needed.
But Professor Sir Brian Hoskins CBE FRS only has degrees in maths, despite his avowed prowess in climatology. Which is par for the course, as Harrabin only studied English.
So I am now looking forward to running La Scala – after all, I once played the bosun in the school production of HMS Pinafore.
To be fair, there are ‘unqualified’ persons on each side of the debate. Being an English grad should not disqualify one from entering the fray on a matter that has absolutely sod all to do with science!
HMS pinafore eh? Well I was nanki-poo in the mikado. Wasn’t my fault – I missed a lot of the rehearsals with illness.
I’m here all week.
Try the veal.
🙁
? Veal ?
LOL, it’s a catch phrase for stand-up.
Ah, nanki-poo…got it (sound of Liverpool Care Pathway gas van drawing up to put me out of my senile misery).
When was the last G&S comic opera shown on the BBC? You would have thought that such an eminent duo would have their work shown occasionally? However>
Pinafore “For he is an Englishman” – Patriotic/ racist. Mikado “I have a little list” / “A more humane Mikado” have the “N” word. Ruddigore – Apart from the Union flag above May Rosebud, “I shipped d’ye see’ slags off the French – But Why not Iolanthe (dig at the Lords) or Pirates of Penzance (does that attack the police)? Even The Sorcerer has a dig at the upper class and of course Patience has a go at the liberal elite. Princess Ida is about universal education so that should be OK. I can understand The Gondoliers not appearing (attacking republicanism and equality) and no one knows of The Grand Duke or Utopia Ltd Anyway. So we are left with Yeoman of the Guard and Trial by Jury – anything wrong with those in the BBC eye?
No chance. Far too English and, worse still, Victorian English.
And then there’s:
“The idiot who praises with enthusiastic tone
Every century but this and every country but his own.”
Bit too close for comfort?
I thought this might be useful:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/1what_400_ppm_looks_like.jpg?w=640&h=444
And a commenter on WUWT adds:
“…the most important heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere ” – poor old water vapour; always the bridesmaid, never the bride.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/11/the-400-ppm-fud-factory-t-shirts-now-available/#comments
Reminds me, in a way, of this:
There’s a whole website devoted to it as well:
http://www.dhmo.org/
After the last Ice Age peaked some 18,000 years ago CO2 levels apparently rose by 30%. Mmmm? And just who was it who was stoking up all those coal fired power stations and charging around in those Ice Age, gas guzzling 4X4s pumping the Ice Age atmosphere full of all that additional, global warming CO2?
Well, if CO2 increases are all a result of humans burning massive amounts of carbon fuel then those irresponsible cavemen must have had no consideration for future generations with the damage they were doing running riot and wasting all the earth’s oil, gas and coal reserves.
Satellite photos of the earth over time show it is getting greener. Even the deserts are starting to bloom. What’s causing this miraculous transformation? That evil Carbon Dioxide. Plants just can’t get enough of it.
As satellite photographs have only been available since the mid 1940’s it is difficult to see how they alone can be used to evidence of this “miraculous transformation”.
Another thing that plants can’t get enough of is water which would suggest that deserts are also becoming wetter.
So we do not need to worry about hot droughts causing thin tree rings, and then these tree rings being mistaken for cold periods, so that some idiot could use this to produce a hockey stick for the IPCC.
I do not know what the latest Global Warming scare is today, Droughts or a Wetter world, but I do know that the differentiation between the poles and the tropics is reducing Hurricanes and caused a temporary warming in the Arctic, and all due to an observed increase in the Earths cloud Albedo due to solar magnetic effects that are leading to a little ice age.
The latest global warming scare is snow showers in May in England – unseasonably late. No doubt due to the Gulf stream being pushed south caused by increase in fresh water from the melting arctic ice. (Mind you we did have snow in June in 1976)
Right so now satellites are a unreliable source ? funny when they are showing the thermosexuals ice retreat they suddenly become god ?
At no time did I say that “satellites are a unreliable source”.
Where did I say that “satellites are an unreliable source”?
I fail to understand how we are all allegedly doomed, because of a slight rise in overall CO2 levels in the atmosphere. A couple or three million years ago, when the CO2 content was around 4,000 ppm, life thrived, and there were NO humans. Now we have a tenth of the CO2 around, 7.5 billion humans seem to have appeared out of nowhere, so it would appear that CO2 fosters our growth, too, and not our eventual demise.
The new factors compared with million years ago are the academics selling their souls for research grants, NGO/fake Charity/renewables rent-seekers, compliant lazy mass media, and taxation without consent “for the public good”.
The real irony around AGW is that higher temperatures are actually better for life on earth, rather than worse (just as increased CO2 is correlated with greater levels of plant growth).
The ‘end of the world’ fears are based on the idea of a runaway greenhouse mechanism, but I don’t think any scientist today seriously believes that increased CO2 concentrations would lead to this. Even the staunchest AGW credulist is having to accept that as the models are fitted to more and more temperature data, total expected warming keeps coming down, which indicates that runaway warming is almost certainly not going to happen.
One thing that troubles me about the debate is that in their rush to label CO2 as a causative factor in warming (when historical records show that its actually a lagging factor), there is very little research or thought about why CO2 would rise due to warming. I suspect that its a combination of higher concentrations of CO2 being stable in the atmosphere at higher temperatures, and greater levels of respiration from plants and animals due to easier living during warm times.
On the matter of CO2 hitting 400ppm, what doesn’t seem to be stated so much is that it was at 393ppm, in other words its gone from 0.0393% to 0.0400%. However, when you see the number written as a percentage like that its hard to get so worked up about it, but then thats why the AGW credulists prefer quoting ‘ppm’ numbers.
“there is very little research or thought about why CO2 would rise due to warming”
Simple Answer: Warmer Oceans are less CO2 absorbent. It is also why the CO2 levels rise 800 years after a warming, because the thermal lag of the deep Oceans is 800 years, also the medieval warm period peaked about 800 years ago.
Its just that this science is censored by the BBC because of left-wing political reasons.
As an Astronomer, I could use the 0.4 millibar equivalent of 400 ppmv of Co2 for calculations using the Unified Theory of Climate, which produces a warming that is so small that it would not be detectable.
The Unified Theory of Climate solves the problem of explaining the temperatures in all parts of the atmospheres of all the planets in the Solar System, including the Earth and the carbon dioxide atmospheres of Venus and Mars. An answer that was not possible with the Arrhenius method of calculating the Greenhouse effect.
Which is why we Astronomers are better Climate scientists than the myopic Earth bound Climate scientists at the Met Office, because most of these Climate scientists are still using the Arrhenius method.
Could it have anything to do with there being more money in Climate Alarmism than Astronomy?
Follow the pigs to the trough, count the percentage of pigs feeding at the trough, declare there is a consensus..
“Its just that this science is censored by the BBC because of left-wing political reasons.”
Does quick search on BBC website;
“In theory, the extra CO2 in the atmosphere could lead to an acceleration in global warming, which will warm the oceans.
As a result, the warmer waters will not be able to absorb as much carbon dioxide as cooler seas.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7933589.stm
Having a telescope in your garden doesn’t make you an astronomer. And it certainly doesn’t make you a scientist.
And listening to the BBC doesn’t make you right and every one else wrong !
Maybe its because the BBC censors the proof that the Sun is responsible for what happened.
So that you think that carbon dioxide caused the warming.
Richard, I believe our Veggie Tales friend just called you a liar.
Ho-humm,
400ppm.
Can’t wait for it to be 500ppm. Maybe we’ll have warming then?
‘As satellite photographs have only been available since the mid 1940′s’.
You might want to check that date!
Maybe he had a special BBC telescope in his garden that allowed him to see what he wanted to see? Because when you do the ‘correct’ way, it is certainly enough to make you a BBC apologist, editor or, as Pollard showed, even DG.
“The first images from space were taken on sub-orbital flights. The U.S-launched V-2 flight on October 24, 1946 took one image every 1.5 seconds. These photos were from five times higher than the previous record, the 13.7 miles (22 km) by the Explorer II balloon mission in 1935. The first satellite (orbital) photographs of Earth were made on August 14, 1959 by the U.S. Explorer 6.2”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_imagery
Well, if we are playing Wikiquote tennis, how about this:
‘In the context of spaceflight, a satellite is an object which has been placed into orbit by human endeavor. Such objects are sometimes called artificial satellites to distinguish them from natural satellites such as the Moon.
The world’s first artificial satellite, the Sputnik 1, was launched by the Soviet Union in 1957.’
You can read the whole article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite
I like that reply Guest Who, I like it a lot! It just about sums up what the BBC has become these days.
– anyone heard the BBC correct the story and admit the measurement has been corrected downwards ?
.. and that last 3 days is 399.41 and perhaps soon to start falling from it’s annual peak
Yeah. I tried the “Sorry boss, can’t make it to the office today because C02 hit 400 ppm” thing, but he was like “Oh, but C02 is only 399.41 ppm, so you have no excuse. I’ll have to doc your wages”.