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  1. George R says:
    May 22, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    It’s an INBBC political reflex: ‘get Labour’s VAZ on.’

    ( as on BBC News 24 TV).

    Yes, he’s totally representative of certain interests.

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  2. Mavis Ramsbottom says:
    May 22, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    i wonder how today’s event in Woolwich will be treated on Question Time tomorrow?

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  3. Dave s says:
    May 22, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    This is the reality. This is what it is going to be like for us , our children and our grandchildren.
    Our leaders were warned but paid no heed. There is nothing else to say.
    For once even the liberal fantasists would do well to fall silent.

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  4. DJ says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Yes, indeed, let’s ram the point home: the BBC report includes 5 key points….. none of which mention anything even within a country mile of the Religion of Peace.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304

    The BBC has now become an anti-news organisation, with a mission to misdirect and misinform. Relying on the BBC’s output actually leaves worse off than mere ignorance, it positively misleads the reader.

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  5. DJ says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    One more thing: compare and contrast who’s got the more sensitive BBC write up? These murderous savages or opponents of gay marriage. The BBC never had much trouble generalising about people who opposed the government’s right to redefine marriage.

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  6. David Preiser (USA) says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Dominic Casciani has made the tiniest gesture towards reality about jihad in the West, although it’s still not a completely honest statement as is (inset “Analysis” in this BBC report).

    If the victim is indeed a soldier, then that will be no surprise to security chiefs.

    Jihadists believe they are at war with the military because of its role in the Afghanistan conflict and elsewhere.

    The UK has previously uncovered three plots linked to possible terror attacks on the armed forces, including a cell in 2007 which planned to kidnap and behead a soldier in an Iraq-style hostage video.

    Note to Casciani: Neither the Boston bombing nor the 7/7 bombings were against the military or even remotely military targets. They were against innocent civilians, albeit for the very reasons you claim the jihadis believe they’re at war with the military.

    Oh, sure, what he said is “accurate”. These people do believe they’re at war with the US and UK military. But it’s not the whole truth, and it’s disingenuous to pretend that it is.

    Wait: since, according to this expert, the terrorists believe they’re at war with us, are we allowed to say there’s a war on terror, then? Oh, dear.

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    • Reed says:
      May 22, 2013 at 10:04 pm

      It was not too far from the barracks, so it might have been workplace violence…try that, BBC.

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  7. thoughtful says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    The bBC really is disgusting!

    Take a look at this quote “Footage has emerged showing a man wielding a bloodied meat cleaver and making political statements.”

    Political statements? when just about every other news carrier is carrying this:
    “Woolwich attack: Attackers shouted ‘Allah Akbar’ before hacking British soldier to death ”

    Absolute disgrace !

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    • Rich Tee says:
      May 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm

      I know, it’s hilarious isn’t it. I feel sorry for people who rely on the BBC.

      Check out the comments at the Daily Mail, even there people still clueless what is really going on, just think it was nasty people who should be properly punished to teach them a lesson.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:
      May 22, 2013 at 9:36 pm

      Oh, dear, the BBC isn’t suggesting that there’s a political element to Islamism, are they?

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  8. Emerson v says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    1908: The BBC’s Nick Robinson tweets: “To those offended by my describing the attacker as of “Muslim appearance” – I was directly quoting a Whitehall source quoting the police.”

    No apologies required from me Nick, let’s start saying it as it is.

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  9. George R says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Meanwhile:-

    “High Wycombe grooming case: Girl ‘repeatedly raped by group'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22626994

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  10. The Highland Rebel says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Has anyone heard about any ‘offence’ and ‘outrage’ from the bearded ones over this yet like the ‘offence’ and ‘outrage’ they shout about over cartoons and Youtube clips?

    No?

    Either have I.

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  11. Teddy Bear says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Douglas Murray at the Spectator sums it up pretty well

    ‘Soldier beheaded’ in south London: the Islamists repeatedly said they would do such things

    Similar attacks in recent years include the beheading of a Dutch film-maker, Theo van Gogh, on a street in Amsterdam in 2004 and the killing of French soldiers by Mohammed Merah in Toulouse.

    Over recent years, those who have warned that such attacks would come here have been attacked as ‘racists’, ‘fascists’ and — most commonly — ‘Islamophobes’. A refusal to recognise the actual threat (a growingly radicalised Islam) has dominated most of our media and nearly all our political class.

    Watching this roll out has made me — and most other ordinary people — feel sick. It should always have been obvious where such idiocy and denial would lead. It leads to Woolwich. It leads to a British soldier being decapitated in our capital city in broad daylight.

    How many more will the likes of the BBC enable?

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  12. Pounce says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    So I am watching the News (Nothing on the bBC that the victim was decapitated) and they bring out all these Muslim orgs in which to condemn this murder , sorry did I say murder on the bBC this man died and then they bring out AsgharBukhari, of MPACUK in which to ask for his thoughts. He instantly blames the UK foreign policy and the bBC allow him to rabbit on for around 5 minutes before I switched the TV off.

    @mpacuk spokesperson, @asgharbukhari, will be on #BBC News 24 tonight at approx 9:30pm. He will be speaking about the #Woolwich attack.— MPACUK (@MPACUK) May 22, 2013

    Part two follows:

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    • Pounce says:
      May 22, 2013 at 9:57 pm

      So who are MPACUK well here’s what Wiki say about them
      The Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK (MPACUK) is a non-profit British Muslim organisation founded to address what it perceived as the under-representation of Muslims in British politics. The organisation is active primarily in electoral campaigns and media appearances and here’s what else they have to say about them:
      In 2004, MPACUK was the subject of a no-platform order by the National Union of Students, because of its alleged publication of antisemitic conspiracy theories and inciteful racist material, and further material on its website encouraging activists to break the law.[After Lorna Fitzsimons’s defeat, in 2006, CST accused MPACUK of antisemitism. An All Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Anti-semitism observed that MPACUK was criticised by the CST for promoting the idea of a worldwide Zionist conspiracy and using material taken from neo-Nazi, white nationalist, and Holocaust denial websites. The report also noted CST’s assertion that “use of ‘Zionist’ as a replacement for ‘Jewish’ is common on the MPACUK website” and that MPACUK has articulated antisemitic conspiracy theories through the language of anti-Zionism
      Going back to Bukhari the founder of MPACUK here’s a little something about him from the Guardian
      One of Britain’s most prominent speakers on Muslim issues is today exposed as a supporter of David Irving, the controversial historian who for years denied the Holocaust took place. Asghar Bukhari, a founder member of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), which describes itself as Britain’s largest Muslim civil rights group, sent money to Irving and urged Islamic websites to ask visitors to make donations to his fighting fund.

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  13. Pounce says:
    May 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    and here’s something else:
    During the Gaza War, Bukhari wrote in a Facebook thread: “Muslims who fight against the occupation of their lands are ‘Mujahadeen’ and are blessed by Allah. And any Muslim who fights and dies against Israel and dies is a martyr and will be granted paradise … There is no greater oppressor on this earth than the Zionists, who murder little children for sport.” The British Centre for Social Cohesion passed his comments onto the police

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    • Pounce says:
      May 22, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      Here’s more about MPACUK are guilty of radicalising British based Muslims for Jihad:
      http://hurryupharry.org/2012/06/01/mpacuk-spokesman-tells-students-the-fate-of-the-bosnian-muslims-will-befall-them/

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      • Pounce says:
        May 22, 2013 at 10:08 pm

        Here is the message he has to say to the Islamic youth only last year:
        “Until the Muslims think differently, until we understand that this propaganda war, this military war, is destroying our civilisation, our faith and our confidence in ourselves, we will never free ourselves from the slavery that we are currently, from the oppression that we are currently in.”Brothers are attacked in the street. I know a brother myself who had his jaw broken. The Imam in my local mosque was beaten up by a group of men who ran into the mosque and smashed it up. When are we going to learn? Things are getting worse…The world is changing my brothers, and you need to wake up to that fact. You need to prioritise your faith and you need to start defending Islam and defending the Muslims.”

        And this is the man the bbC bring into the studio to discuss why Muslims murder on our streets.

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  14. Pounce says:
    May 22, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    and the bBC feels that this is the man who should speak for Islam about why that poor man was murdered today. Murdered bBC not died. They have just repeated what transpired after 9/11 when on question time the bBC blamed the US and not their so called religion of peace.

    The bBC, the traitors within our Midst

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  15. thoughtful says:
    May 22, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    David (lying) Cameron told a huge whopper tonight at a news conference

    “We’ve had attacks like this in Britain before”

    Oh yes liar, when was that? I don’t recall a British soldier being decapitated in the name of religion ever in this country?

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    • Reed says:
      May 22, 2013 at 10:30 pm

      The correspondent on Sky News earlier referred to this attack as unprecedented in the UK – a watershed moment in the political landscape.

      He’s right – this was a political murder of an innocent British citizen. Unlike the Irish situation, there are no negotiations or settlement that can or should take place to resolve this. Big problem, no easy answers.

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      • Dave s says:
        May 22, 2013 at 11:55 pm

        This is the crux of it. In my part of the shires people are very angry indeed. The political leaders need to be very careful and watch their words.
        Whatever they do they must not blame us- the indigenous people- in any way at all. To do so would be disastrous for them and the country.
        I hope they are going to be careful. This also applies to the media and especially the BBC.
        Our anger about what has happened is just and should not be underplayed.

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  16. thoughtful says:
    May 22, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    And I’d also like to thank Tony BLiar and Mandelson for their stupidity in inviting so many of these animals into a once peaceful country.

    I’d like to see the pair of them with heads hung in shame on television apologising for their stupidity.

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    • Andrew says:
      May 23, 2013 at 12:10 am

      I now recall something that Michael Heseltine said in the run up to the 1997 election. He warned of “the ultimate disaster of a Labour government”. Well, his lot had had 18 years and I thought it was just bombastic political rhetoric, only fair for “New” Labour to have a turn, even if I could never vote for them myself. We are now seeing what a disaster 1997-2010 was, and not just for the economy.

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  17. chrisH says:
    May 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Rivers of Blood then?
    In truth, as I read the Guardians columnists as they twist in the wind of their own self-regard…as I see the tumbleweed blowing out the holes of Shami, Lee, George and Ken etc…and as I see the BBC frantically mopping up any Koranic basis for the atrocities…indeed blaming British Christians for sowing the seeds in effect…I too see what Enoch warned us all about.
    Thank you BBC, Guardian and Independent…you`ve sown the wind…your self regard and flatulence is going to cause you a lot of blowback.
    Couldn`t happen to more deserving people.

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