Mr Thompson said: ‘Without question, “I complain in the strongest possible terms”, is different from, “I complain in the strongest possible terms and I am loading my AK47 as I write”. This definitely raises the stakes.’
Teddy Bear in the comments points out this grovelling response from the BBC after a few complaints….just like the one they issued for broadcasting ‘Jerry Springer The Opera’ after 10’s of thousands of complaints…
BBC political editor Nick Robinson’s extraordinary apology after backlash against ‘Muslim appearance’ comment about Woolwich killers
The BBC have been under pressure all day from Muslim ‘leaders’ and spokesmen or other commentators demanding to know why the word ‘terrorism’ is being used…they don’t want it to be terrorism because that has political connotations which must stem from some sort of ideology…..no idea which one….and no one wants the finger of blame being pointed.
Here 5Live’s Tony Livesey (17 mins 46 secs)talking to Labour’s Yvette Cooper does a ‘Mardell‘….in a comment that must have raised a few listener’s eyebrows when they heard it:
‘Is there a danger here by labelling it an act of terrorism in some ways that there is some kind of a perverse legitimisation of what seems to be a random act of butchery?’
Mardell of course having said:
‘Still, searching for patterns and for answers is part of what it is to be human. I loathe cliche, but perhaps, for once, this is a “senseless tragedy”, devoid of deeper meaning.’
Think about Livesey’s comment….what does that say about BBC journalism?
It tells you that whatever the truth, if the truth is uncomfortable, the BBC will change its reporting to suit…as Robinson is now trying to backtrack on his.
If the word ‘terrorism’ upsets people or ‘legitimises’ someone’s cause…well don’t use it says the BBC…don’t report the truth, lie….the Israelis know all about that.
The second point is that Livesey proposes that this is a senseless ‘random act of butchery’….no, it’s not…it was planned and executed to provoke a specific political response to fit in with the killers’ religious ideology.
To suggest otherwise is to downplay its significance and meaning….and if you do that you will not be able to respond to it in a way that effectively deals with future events like this…because you will not recognise the cause of this act of violence.
In various interviews through the day we had several Muslims ‘leaders’ complain about the use of the word ‘terrorism’.
The first I heard was on Nicky Campbell’s show when he had Mohammed Ansar on…more of which later.
5Live tells us…’People are worried and tensions are high – so, what can we do to calm things down? How do we make sure we ‘keep on lid’ on what happened?’
Perhaps if the BBC didn’t support the terrorist narrative…that being ‘it’s Britain’s foreign policy’that causes the radicalisation’…the terrorists wouldn’t keep being legitimised and given credibility.
Anybody watch CH4 tonight regards Islamic sex gangs, bloody hell opened my eyes ,really opened my eyes into how the establishment policy on defending everything illegal a Muslim does in the UK has ensured that Muslims in the UK walk around as if bullet proof. We tiptoe around Islam so much we actually allow them to get away with Murder, anybody who complains is deemed a racist, even worse a member of the EDL.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/articles/home
Yes..that type of defence, the ‘victim group’, ‘oppressed minority’ etc, used by other groups as well to block investigation:
http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/home-truths-8-10-00/
‘A social worker who has worked for many years on cases involving paedophiles reckons that the attempt to merge gay and paedophile issues was a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters: “They did it to prepare their defence, so that when they were arrested or there was a complaint, they could cry homophobia. It is a very useful charge for them. It can delay, subvert, divert investigations. This is a deliberate defence, particularly from the men who came up in the 1970s, many of whom knew each other.”
Ah yes, Islington…
Calling Margaret Hodge…. hello, Margaret?…are you there….
This is why it is called islamic supremacism. The cult of Islam is highly seditious since it does not recognize any kind of authority and it gives the cultist the whole freedom to do everything the cult requires, regardless the law of the land.
Started watching, but stopped and set it recording instead.
I’ve got to be able to sleep tonight.
Islam in Britain is running up a steep bill.
Watching it now, thank`s for putting it up.
As if the BBC would dare to make something as truly awful and evil as this.
If anybody thinks Islam is not THE common factor in all these atrocious crimes-Telford to Woolwich…then they deserve their day in chop-chop square.
The rest of us need to watch and draw our own lessons…sure as hell the BBC will never tell us.
The al-beeb has no problem, however to link or to give platform to those linking “terrorism” with the state of Israel.
if you get a chance,listen to that biased left wing liberal pratt stephen nolans joint new show with that other leftist called john pienarr called question time extra time on radio 5 live,at about 12.50 am this morning a indian caller named harjitt came on to give his point of view about muslim extremism all over the world from a indian guys point of view,he told it as it was and that left wing pro muslim moron stephen nolan censored him and accused him of being offensive to muslims before cutting him off.so much for free speech on that show if you tell the truth about muslim extremism,stephen nolan is a annoying little pro muslim biased oik who lives in a £1 million pad paid by us lot in colne bay in n ireland which he calls fantasy island,shut up stephen nolan,you know nothing about living in england you one sided biased 5 live idiot.
”question time extra time,” waste of time.
Completely, but it continues to influence the public by self-censoring, it’s still part of the problem.
Yes, the leftie liberals try to excuse and explain away terrorist acts by Militant Muslims by trying to turn the blame on to Britain and America by claiming they are simply reacting to Iraq and Afghanistan etc.
They, and the BBC, completely ignore the fact that identically minded Militant Muslims carry out similar atrocities in India. They make passing reference to Militant Muslim insurgencies into Nigeria, where they are trying to establish a Sharia State in part of that country.
The same is happening in Mali, Somalia, Thailand, Indonesia and many other countries totally unconnected with Iraq and Afghanistan or any other of the weasel excuses so beloved of the Excusers who try to absolve the terrorist of blame and turn it onto the people of Britain and America.
No wonder Harjitt was silenced, Muslim atrocities in countries other than Britain and America does not fit in with the BBC’s propaganda effort to absolve Muslims of blame and transfer it to the nasty Christians. Never mind that the Muslim Fundamentalists are just as intent on slaughtering Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus and other non-Muslim Faiths.
memo to all bbc journalists from the head of the bbc news.22.5.2013.please dont use the word terrorist because you might offend terrorists and face being demoted to cbbc
The media has swung into full damage limitation mode, I particularly like this from the arse that is Fraser Nelson of the Spectator comic.
‘’Not in our name’’ – British Muslims denounce the Woolwich attack on Twitter.”
Problem is Fraser me old chum, it doesn’t matter what ordinary ‘moderate’ muslims think of us, Mohammad and the Koran says we’re all Kufirs and infidels.
To my mind, the Oklahoma tornado was a “tragedy”. The death of Drummer Lee Rigby was a racist murder.
I know it’s correct technically to call it a tragedy as well, but I don’t recall the murder of Stephen Lawrence being confused with an accident or an Act of God.
i’m starting to lose faith in the human race now. What kind of country do we live in where we have media backing the disease that is Islam. No wonder so many people, including some of my mates, have been poisoned by the likes of the BBC where they even fear mentioning the word Islam in public, never mind condemning it.
Uh, please engage your brain before posting Alan.
Mark Thompson’s comments weren’t in repsonse to any particular complaints, not did the BBC apologise for broadcasting ‘Jerry Springer The Opera’ (Muslims were among those protesting it).
Please explain what it is about this man’s appearance that is ‘Muslim’?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22636624
Is it the hat or the hoody?
If you are unable to answer that question, then you should retract your comments.
Dissembler. engage your conscience before posting
It wasn’t the appearance, it was what he SAID, openly and clearly!
Then you need to go back and read Nick Rosinson’s apology.
Muslims protesting it?…oh really?
Muhammad-the Opera-what became of that then Dominic?
Of course we all know that Islam has all colours and races-but only one creed…and these butchers of Woolwich quoted Sura 9.
Any theological points you`d like to make?
Until then, keep your cavils for those that mop up for Islam instead of telling us the truth.
Alan is the least of your problems, my friend this week!
Yes, really. Jesus is a prophet in Islam, and Muslims joined the protests as well.
It wasn’t an opera created by the BBC, they couldn’t show Muhammed the Opera as it wasn’t made, but Jerry Springer the Opera did win four Laurence Olivier Awards.
Please explain what it is about this man’s appearance that is ‘Muslim’?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22636624
Is it the hat or the hoody?
I think it’s the meat cleaver.
I had a clever in my hand yesterday. I was helping out in my friend’s butchers shop.
I’m not a Muslim.
You’re wrong, I’m right.
Dominic is right about the appearance issue. I’ve said elsewhere that Nick Robinson should have either rephrased what the police said, or made it really clear that the labeling was due to what the barbarian said and not his appearance.
However, there shouldn’t be anything wrong with saying, “We think the killer is a Mohammedan because he was shouting Allahu Akbar.” That’s not racist or bigoted in any sense. Robinson messed that up, even if he was somehow innocently quoting what the police told him. I’m not sure why the police said that, either, unless the only black people in the area are from a certain group, in which case it’s the kind of profiling that goes on everywhere for legitimate crimefighting purposes, but shouldn’t really be used when talking to the media.
IIRC, that Mardell quote was about Maj. Hassan murdering his colleagues while shouting the usual mantra. Which was already in the news, so Mardell was being disingenuous or willfully blind on that score. I believe Alan is making that point about Livesey.
Along the lines of this thread, we see another example in the way the BBC reports about the Stockholm riots.
For anybody not familiar with the problems Sweden is undergoing with the Muslim community there, I suggest they Google Malmo Muslim violence as an example of the problems existing there.
For the last 5 nights rioting has now been going on in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden. Dozens of cars have been burnt, 2 schools, a restaurant, cultural center, a station, library, a bank and a police station have also been set alight. It is clear that the perpetrators are Muslim immigrants, who began their rioting following an incident where the police had shot dead a man of 69 who had approached them with a machete.
Observing the behaviour of these immigrants, it seems clear that they feel they are outside the law and can get away with actions such as these. We saw something similar here in East London recently where Muslim gangs felt empowered to challenge local people on the street, trying to impose their Muslim requirements on to them.
When I read the BBC report on this current rioting from their reporter in Stockholm, one can see the type of dhimmitude that we are anyway used to from the BBC, and the very subservience and appeasement that contributes to further behaviour of this kind.
The opening sentence begins it: It’s hard to discern a pattern in the violence that has wracked the Swedish capital Stockholm for five nights.
Not really if you don’t try and seek a different reason than is obvious.
We then get this: In the areas affected, local people said the motive of the youths making trouble was anger over joblessness.
Some said it was simply a matter of criminality and parents were to blame for not controlling their offspring better.
There was a widespread assertion that the violence was not motivated by Islamist ideology.
So the BBC want to push joblessness or lack of parental discipline as the reason, so then why do they need to state that there’s a widespread assertion that it’s not due to Islamist ideology? Why is there a need to state that? They could also say there’s a widespread assertion that it’s not due to smoking, sugar in the diet, alcohol, or an infinite number of things that it isn’t, and considering that the article hasn’t yet identified just who is behind these riots, why even mention it?
Clearly – because it is.
Then we get: The police were not intervening aggressively. They told the BBC that they had made a decision to liaise with community leaders – including in mosques – to try to calm the situation.
Do you see the pattern here? The elephant in the room?
We then get: Immigrants and their descendants tend to congregate in areas such as Husby, the neighbourhood west of Stockholm where the violence started on Sunday.
About 80% of the 11,000 residents are either first- or second-generation immigrants.
Accordingly, this week’s troubles have raised the volume of the debate in Sweden on immigration. About 15% of the population was born outside the country, the highest proportion in any of the Nordic countries.
The influx has come mostly from war-torn countries like Iraq, Somalia, the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Syria. In 2012, Sweden accepted 44,000 asylum seekers, up by nearly 50% from a year earlier.
The joys of ‘multiculturalism’, without first asking whether particular mindsets and mentalities are compatible with another before attempting it.
That’s the price Sweden is paying right now, and that we are paying right now, and both will have many more instances in the future.
The likes of the BBC certainly lacks the common sense to consider questions like these, and we can observe a similar lack of vision in most of the left wing power hierarchy running much of the free world right now.
Stockholm riots throw spotlight on Swedish inequality
‘Is there a danger here by labelling it an act of terrorism in some ways that there is some kind of a perverse legitimisation of what seems to be a random act of butchery?’ So that is what Yvette Cooper Balls would like us to believe, is it?
What a pathetic attempt to try to get us to ignore the facts. The actual individual, Lee Rigby, was not singled out as an individual but he was singled out as a member of our Armed Forces, and only because he was a member of our Armed Forces. Had he been a council worker, a shop assistant, a mechanic, or any other civilian job he would not have been the subject of the butchery but, without doubt, another soldier would have been butchered instead.
To try and claim the attack was purely random and therefore a simple criminal act as opposed to an act of Terrorism is totally pathetic and does not stand up to scrutiny, not than I expect any better for silly Yvette Cooper Balls.
The butcher himself made it clear that what he did was intended as an act of Terrorism and was both Politically and Religiously motivated and that, however anybody else tries to explain it as something else, defines what happened as a Terrorist Act. For the BBC, and other news outlets, to let claims that it was anything else to go unchallenged is to act as apologists for the Terrorists.