It is normally Paul Mason who gets highly excited about the Arab Spring and Social Media which he thinks is as good as a tank division to any budding revolutionaries, but here is Roger Hardy telling us why it’s not kicking off everywhere…..
Democracy or disorder? The four lessons of the Arab Spring
It is necessary to ask what went wrong, and draw the right lessons.
1. It was never going to be quick or easy.
2. There is no fixed pattern.
3. The Islamists are at a crossroads.
4. People power is not enough.
Here’s my 4 conclusions from the Arab Spring, riots in Brazil, Turkey and the Occupy movement:
1.. Muslims don’t actually like the real, fundamental Islam….Muslims are ‘Islamophobic’.
2. Capitalism and the desire for individual freedoms and pleasures, and a progressive comfortable life, not Marx, Communism and Occupy’s desire to turn us all into peasants, is what is driving the ‘revolts’.
3. Social Media means little…it is a means to an end and is nothing new…revolts happened throughout history on word of mouth, pamphlets and the telephone. Churchill noted how fast an Islamic preacher could rouse a devout army of Afghans to fight a Jihad against the British in no time at all…in the depths of the most backward country on earth.
4. Iraq was probably a good idea long term….an ‘Arab Spring’ with 250,000 American troops to eventually establish order….without those troops a ‘revolt’ would have happened eventually but would have been even more violent with far reaching regional consequences….Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting over the spoils…with Russia, the US, Syria and Egypt all wanting their piece of the action.
even muslims are islamophobic? … sheesh! is no body safe
head will eat itself … but … but!
where is, BBC/QT fave Mehdi with his OIC excuse book when you need him eh!
yep! 13 mins of everything but the glaring, actual truth, about WHY there have been over 21, 220 successful terrorist attacks since 9/11, and 3 times that not so, over 90% of all “honour” killings, of apostates, of religious/ethnic minorities, of those who truthfully speak about islam!
now …. where do they get the idea?
Robert Spencer
“Mehdi Hasan in this speech has shown himself utterly bereft of any actual arguments to establish that Islam is a religion of peace … No wonder he won’t debate me”
don t worry he ll been on QT real soon …
oh and Robert Spencer … thanks to appalling bias won t.
He’s been on QT and as I remember he had no problem in criticising the catholic church and clergy in no uncertain terms
In all countries, no exception, the guiding philosophy of life is underpinned by faith. There is only one faith where the separation of belief and Caesar (state), is not just encouraged, but commanded.
In Islamic countries it is the opposite. Therefore, short of a miracle, there will never be a genuine liberal democracy in Islamic countries. The corollary – countries based on Christian values, secular liberal democracy is mandated.
as point of equivalence
Brilliant and brave.
And look at the obnoxious contempt shown by Hasan and the tuxedo`d Labour stools of tomorrow…
They don`t like it up them do they?…the truth,
that is.
Thanks for posting this up!
INBBC is politically close to the Muslim Brotherhood(MB), but INBBC is reluctant to make clear the MB’s commitment to global stealth jihad and to Sharia law.
Barry Rubin: Muslim Brotherhood.
a “refuge” for Anti Muslim Bias? …
are you refering to the bbc?
or pro muslim islamophobes?
Alan – why are you allowing what was a good board for pointing out the failings of the BBC slide into a refuge for anti-Muslim bias and pro-EDL postings that rarely if ever have anything to do with either your opening post of anything that might be considered bias by the BBC?
If this board were a refuge for anti-EDL bias and pro-Muslim postings, would you have bothered to comment, I wonder?
Given the fine line between free speech and censorship, any site mod is probably always in a fix. So ‘allowing’ or not, especially to try and please one person only, all of the time, may present issues too.
Unless there are rules… lots and lots of catch-all rules.
This could be applied:
‘Keep your posts relevant. Each Have Your Say debate is about a particular story or issue of the day. Posts which aren’t relevant lower the value of the debate for everyone and may be removed.’
Trouble with that is it can also mean anything simply not on narrative goes either.
And there could be even more in support:
‘The complaints system cannot be used to complain about specific BBC programmes or services, or BBC coverage in general. Please do not use the complaints system to alert us to multiple postings, spelling mistakes and so on. Anyone who abuses the complaints system repeatedly may have their account suspended’
Imagine.
Interestingly, on the BBC Facebook page things are a little more wild west… almost like… other forums, really.
Take the Newsnight one (if a bit bereft of any input these days)…
https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewsnight
You might want to take the BBC to task over what they let through there too? It being a public service ‘n all.
They don’t even purge the spam.
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Nice sentiment, but off topic.
Let us know how you get on taking the BBC to task.
Try not to get banned, though. Like, really banned. No popping up like a Whack-a-mole every evening banned. But toast.
If true this vid says it all.
He`ll not be getting any invitation to address the Youth Assembly at the UN any time soon will he?
At least SOMEONE in an Egyptian primary school has had a fine education already.
Can we swap him for Hague?…we`ll send a transfer fee over to them!