BBC Sunday Morning Live was particularly appalling this morning. The lead debate asked whether whether Muslims were being demonised. We had Mehdi Hasan asking the question and talking over everybody else. We had Anne Atkinson who agreed Muslims were being demonised and Douglas Murray who opined that they weren’t. We had Fiyaz Mughal, from Tell Mama, lined up to back the meme but when the poll result came in, once again viewers rejected the notion by some 4:1. Naturally Mehdi was allowed the last word on this and claimed this proved just how demonised muslims were!!!
ARE MUSLIMS VICTIMISED?
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“Are Muslims demonized”
If large swathes of them didn’t act demonic, then the debate/poll would not be needed.
of course Mehdi (kaffirs are animals) Hasan is perfect
to drone about “demonization” 😀 … isn t he?
have you heard his spits about Israel … you couldn t make it up.
yes “demonization” a word fawned upon, much beloved
of those driving the islam “victim” train, mindlessly being used by the bbc, by rote much like that absurd unicorn “islamo-faux-bia”,
Ahmed, Hasan, Mughal, islamophile Atkinson? head of programming Aquil Ahmed … just shows the depths the which the bbc has plummeted.
D Murray can fold him quicker than a cheap bedouin tent … but he must be more assertive, he must be used to the old muslim trick, of continuous talking by now … surely.
Gets its point across very well doesn`t it?
yet the lefty liberals probably think that this IS what goes on at St Albans on a midweek communion.
A fine parody-all too real and scary at the end too.
Thanks for putting it up noggin!
Understanding the Ideological Foundation of Sexual Abuse in Islam
This is a MUST WATCH video. Dr Mark Durie shows the doctrinal support of may Islamic practices that we find repugnant.
In addition the concept of claiming victimhood, even while Muslims are on the attack. This strategy disarms the victim from defending himself.
Strongly recommend this video.
tamaskan tatamakan – very well known Arabic phrase
show a victims face and you will take over
Correct. Tamaskan tatamakan, is what is used every time.
Even before the bodies were recovered after each Islamic terrorist attack,(9/11, 7/7, Beslan etc), Muslims are claiming “backlash”, and that the main victims of 9/11 etc are Muslims.
It is a smoothly run operation each time. -with of course the standard Koran 5:32, but with the preamble missing.
Away from my PC at the moment, but surprised to find Tell MaMa still seen as a credible source to involve any more.
Be keen to relocate the Newsnight ‘special report’ that involved a ‘roving reporter’ community leader buzzing around post-Woolwich to sample vox pops of just how in fear the community was. Tell MaMa featured in a big way, with some claims made that actual events have struggled to bear out.
Interesting if these have been evolved in any way to reflect more current realities.
I should add (possibly unnecessary to any here) that the inclusion by the BBC production team of Mr. Hasan as a lead in such a debate seems hardly designed in cause of illumination over heat.
His variable opinions, which he changes with each attire to suit the audience being addressed, have been now too often exposed to see his choice as anything other than provocative and designed to be divisive. Not the role of a national broadcaster genuinely interested in community cohesion.
His stock with the kids in the edit suite seems to rise as his actual career spirals ever further into obscurity.
Give it a year and he’ll be doing the obits in the Beano but getting paired with Anita in a One Show dream team.
Surprised? Since they also use Vance it gives an idea how desperate to find anyone to appear!
A crap Sunday program with I suspect no viewers unless they are in a home or coma.
By Jove, Tommy, I can almost visualize you on your white pearl chair with a halo above your crown.
Interesting connections to be making.
Can’t imagine the BBC will feel too thrilled at the core thrust of your message, so ok.
Filling the airwaves of the national broadcast main channel, no matter what the desperation of the Producers or status of audience, with a collection of discredited activist organisations or individuals, seems an odd choice if seeking to promote religious harmony.
Shame those who are compelled to fund such a choice by an unaccountable elite in making them, do not get the same option.
I abhor their culture. As an Englishman it is completely alien to me. If I vicitmise them with my opinion then so be it…
An unapproved thought. The BBC will continue with their agenda to demonize it.
well said, and by the way, arnt the british being victimised, especially young girls from the inner cities
Are Muslims demonised? If so, do they deserve it? Oh no, we’re not allowed by the bBBC to ask the second question.
Muslims wouldn’t be demonised if they didn’t
– come here and try to import their alien culture
– hide mass-murderers in their ghettos
– tolerate rapists and child-abusers as long as their targets are white British girls
– treat Muslim women as sub-human
– subvert the democratic process by forging postal votes
– etc
Apart from your phobias and personal issues what has this to do the program you didn’t watch?
Always amused by you ‘Tommy’…you criticise someone who lays out their reasons for disliking Islam by saying it is purely their phobias and personal issues.
In other words you attack the comment without reasoning or intelligent criticism, merely resorting to abuse.
In other words doing exactly what you accuse him of doing….except of course he has laid out his reasons….whereas you have not.
No doubt you will be posting as ‘Billy’ soon….’I blame it on the Muslims’.
Tommy, you really are a disgusting individual. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. Are you suggesting that Islam does not conduct/condone the “phobias” listed by Sir ASG?
You have clearly taken sides here, and in so doing you defend the racist sex slavery of native British girls and side with a political/religious ideology intent on attacking traditional Britian and its people.
You are an enabler of child abuse, an enabler of terrorism and an anti-British racist. How do you sleep at night?
The only thing that keeps Quislings awake at night is the fear that there are no more white people to throw to the crocodile.
Surely a more appropriate question to ask is:
Does Islam demonise non muslims?
This ‘equalities industry’ has been going on for many years not just within the BBC but across the Left-wing media and in public institutions throughout society. For example, in 2011 the BBC trust wrote a report criticizing BBC 4 for being too white, middle-class and not representative of Muslims and blacks. Also, they were critical that not enough Muslims were being represented at the BBC, thus peddling the myth that Muslims are somehow disenfranchised and ignored. This type of contrived perception of a reality that does not exist fosters social engineering. We see this everywhere and especially in ‘value judgements’ when the BBC report Muslims terrorism, grooming and crime figures. Although not many within the BBC would ever admit to giving Muslims special treatment, anyone with half a brain can compute from the BBC’s output that it exists. Comparing this with the treatment of Christianity is further food for thought.
Compare and contrast with today’s (29/7) Today’s sneering inaccurate report on so-called Twitter Indulgences.
The BBC could have gone to catholic.org to verify and/or add insight to the topic but chose instead to paraphrase what had previously been published in the Guardian.
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=51666#
“Additionally, Pope Francis has said that those who are “legitimately prevented” from attending the event will also receive the indulgence if they too follow the event with the proper spirit of prayer and devotion.
He did not spell out precisely what those requirements were.
However, a reasonable interpretation would suggest it means more than just reading or viewing news updates and saying a simple prayer. Instead, expectant devotees should strive to view the masses, speeches, and to fully receive the message sent by the Church to the world’s youth. In addition to this message, prayers and attendance at local Mass is reasonably expected.
Confession should be part of the plan. Cardinal Manuel Monteiro de Castro, the head of the Vatican office that handles indulgences, has asked priests around the world to make themselves available for confessions during this time.
Priests will also encourage public prayers during this time.”
Again, compare and contrast the manner in which Muslim beliefs are reported and the Catholic belief in Purgatory and Indulgences: or, as pointed out, any Christian belief.
Funny how it is ‘blowback’ for the US but ‘demonisation’ of Islam.
And is that the same Mehdi Hasan who claims to love integratioin and communities coming together but immediately attacks any critic of Islam and even tries to associate them, bizarrely, with Al Qaeda?
The same Mehdi Hasan who said ‘We wonder why we (muslims) are losing battles…we are not being out fought (er yes you are), we are being out thought.’
All very inclusive.
The BBC would probably describe Radio 4 as its core channel, the one they would keep if they had to give up all channels but one.
Looking out of the window I can see the top half of the Sutton Coldfield mast, the main Radio 4 transmitter in the midlands. I have just attempted to tune in to Radio 4 FM but have totally failed as the transmission is completely blocked by Islamic calls to prayer, complete with English translation.
Sow the wind BBC, now reap the whirlwind.
As to ‘Sunday Morning Live’, why did Husan not answer any of the comments by the contributor whose first name was Muhammad? Too close to the truth for him?
Every time I have watched this program the vote has gone against the liberal/labour/BBC values, usually by a big margin.
Yes, but that won’t stop them. They are the ‘righteous’ after all.
In this instance I’m sure the BBC think the vote result is itself evidence of victimisation.
Here we go… this garbage supports everything I stated above. Poor old voiceless Muslims…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036yklc/BBC_Radio_1Xtras_Stories_Building_a_Movement_The_Story_of_Muslim_Hip_Hop/
Here’s a little activity if you can be bothered. Go on to the BBC iPlayer and type in Muslims into the search engine: you’ll find a selection of programs and radio shows discussing Islam in a modern light. Now, type in Christianity and all you get is the Daily Service and Songs of Praise.
Are you arguing that that makes the BBC anti-Christian? Even though they broadcast acts of Christian worship every day?
I’ve just typed in ‘Muslims’ into the iPlayer search engine and I got 6 results (‘Islam’ gets 5). Typing in ‘Christianity’ or ‘Christians’ produces 14 results, including those acts of worship as well as The Sunday Hour (a weekly show celebrating different aspects of the Christian faith on BBC Radio 2)
Also, there are more services than just the 2 you mentioned – The Sunday Hour, Morning Service, Choral Evensong, Bells on Sunday, plus special programmes/acts of worship broadcast at Easter and Christmas.
Nowhere in my post is there an argument or a hypothesis. That is a word you choose to use, so please do project your perceptions onto my comments. My point is this: It’s not so much the frequency of programs on Islam, but rather the tone of such programs as my reference to BBC 1xtra alludes to.
Chris, from what I can see on the iPlayer is lots of up and coming and contemporary programs about Islam that will appeal to the younger generations compared to the usual boring old fart Christian programs that have been on air since TV began. The BBC is heavily biased in favour of Islam, to deny this is futile.
Fair point.
Although I would still argue that regularly broadcasting acts of Christian worship, particularly when only 6.3% of the population goes to church regularly ( http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2010/church-attendance-in-england/ ) goes against the idea that the BBC is biased in favour of Islam.
Yeah, I can see that point, Chris, but don’t you think that the BBC feels almost obliged to air these programs as a kind of defense against accusations of bias? I agree with Ronnie that a lot of the BBC’s airtime given to Muslims seems to take place in modern popular settings such as 1xtra, Sunday Morning Live, The Big Questions and Question Time and so on whereas Christian programs remain constant as a result of allegiance to tradition. Who knows, that’s what I perceive anyway 🙂
In the 2011 UK Census, Christianity was the largest religion, with 33.2 million people (59.3 per cent of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population).
33 million identify themselves as Christian. The next biggest group – Muslims number 2.7 million.
Do the maths Chris. Shouldn’t the Taxpayer funded BBC’s religious output be overwhelmingly Christian?
By the way, can you tell me what percentage of Muslims attend a mosque?
Yes, good points theologian. Muslims get far too much of the cake considering they’re a minority.
The fact that we are even discussing this means there is a problem with the BBC and its relationship with Muslims.
Good points.
Re mosque attendance:
“An as yet unpublished academic study of Muslims, conducted by Ipsos MORI in 2009 and made available by BRIN’s David Voas, records claimed weekly attendance at services as higher than one-quarter, 30% for the 18-34s and 50% for the over-35s. These claims may, of course, be exaggerated”
http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2010/facing-the-axe-diocese-of-bradford-in-the-headlights/
6.3% of the population goes to church regularly, with 59.3% of the population calling themselves Christian. Unless my maths is wrong (and it may well be) that means just over a tenth of professed Christians in the UK go to church regularly. If we accept the above figures for Muslims, that means those who say they are Muslims are more religiously observant in this country than those who say they are Christians. It could be argued that it is only the more religiously observant people who would be interested in religious broadcasting – I can’t imagine those Christians who almost never go to church listening to Choral Evensong every week.
Of course, that doesn’t mean that there should be more Islam on the BBC than Christianity, as in terms of pure numbers more people go to church each week than go the mosque. You’re right that the BBC, as the state broadcaster in a nation which is (at the very least officially) Christian, should broadcast more Christian programmes than any other religion. My argument is still (sorry for repeating myself) that the fact that the BBC broadcasts Christian acts of worship give Christianity a higher prestige than Islam, as it should be in a country where the majority still call themselves Christian.
The Met tell us that 110% of Muslims attended mosques last Friday.
The BBC can confirm that, using Galloway
and figures obtained under Freedom of
Amputation Act.
So Christianity which is the biggest faith (76%)and the biggest faith in the UK gets 14 hits and Islam which represents around 3% gets 7 (not 5) wow talk about over-representation
For a religious minority the BBC sure do give Muslims a large slice of the pie. I cannot stand rap music, but the thought of Muslim rap music?
Why emphasize Muslim rap music, when, after all, one of the most productive & well respected hip-hop/rap artists is himself a Muslim?
(I am talking about former NWA frontman, and actor Ice Cube)
Oh, right, I see, he’s not THAT Muslim, his tunes do not include Islamic superiority or groveling to the Qur’an.
I thought that music was banned in Islam along with being happy and other things.
Perhaps you’re thinking of the Wee Free?
Well when one religious group is continually implicated in terrorism, murder, rape, child abuse and sexism then it tends to form a bad impression.
For the windup types like tommy above…for the ponderers who wonder how the hell the BBC continue to weave their surrender flag, and expect us to salute it…all I say is CLARE LOPEZ on a thread near you.
Leha put it up, so the rest of us no longer need to wonder or waste precious time in aimless controversies-the BBCs favourite waste of time…ours…and money too…also ours!
The fact that I no longer need to do any thinking at all about Islam(thanks to Clare and Leha) makes me feel like a Muslim, ironically enough…my thinking is done for me, my mind is closed on this subject.
Hasan, Bunglwalla, Siddiqi?…mere ashtrays on the Silver dream Racer of Islam.
And if tommy finds that a bit tricky…go look at Tommy Robinson, who says the same thing in shorter words. Solitary confinement has made him quite the scholar!
Thank You Theresa May.
Chinese Immigrants aren’t demonised in the slightest because they work hard, pay their taxes, don’t ask for special treatment and commit relatively little crime.
Muslims should take note.
They won’t take note, they have no intention of doing any of those things, especially integrating into British society.
Even if they were being victimised/demonised (whatever) can anyone see many indigenous Brits really giving a toss? After years of being shrieked at for racism, after years of hearing of how muslims treat non-muslims in the rest of the world?
They don’t tend to do themselves many favours, and the BBC defending the indefensible only makes it worse.
dont feed the troll. they are full of flea’s and disease’s
Rap music ! You almost make it sound like an art form !
Tch, missed the c out…
A reprise:-
“‘British Culture Awareness Month’ for Muslims”
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2013/07/26/british-culture-awareness-month-muslims/
If one does an alphabetically list of Islamic countries, A-Z, and lists the Islamic jihad atrocities and Sharia repressions committed in them, over the past month, the horror is outstanding, despite the Islamic ‘Ramadan and peace’ propaganda.
See: ‘The Religion of Peace’ blog daily:-
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
Are Muslims Victimised?
Yes, they are. By Islam.
There’s a lot of truth in what you say Adi like there are far more Palestinians murdered by Hamas than have ever been killed in any conflict with the Israelis.
It is Hamas who are oppressing the Palestinians to such an extent that any political dissent against them means an automatic death sentence.
When I was 6 I used to read Jules Verne novels and dream to some amazing things. I have a PhD in Mathematics right now, but sometimes I wonder: what if I were reading The Great Book Of Hate and memorize it word by word at 6, instead of Jules Verne adventures.
Go to step 1 of my reply.
Islam preys on women and children. It thrives on it. Women and children are the first victims of this vile ideology.
A lot of these posts are missing the point. The BBC is governed by its Charter and it has a very clear role regarding religion which is to promote greater understanding between religions. Bearing in mind that in the UK thousands of Christians have been killed by other Christians in Ulster, the aim has merit.
Click to access nations.pdf
You may not agree with the Charter, but the BBC is carrying out its aims. Greater understanding of all religions at least means you can have a better discussion that all Moslems are rapists or all Christians crusaders variety which some here indulge in.
Being a complete non-believer I’ve no time for any religion or its followers or its beliefs. I switch of any program the minute they appear.
Glad that you put this up Max.
The arrogance and presumptions contained are very Nu Labor aren`t they?…written for another era, when the likes of Savile,Ross/Brand, tax fiddles, digital scandals, pay hikes, pay-offs, appointing old liberals and Labor shills hadn`t entered public knowledge…indeed a world without sites like this.
The closed appointments of the Liberal beehive…pro EU, anti Israel/USA, pro-immigration, anti-white working class, pro-state largesse, pro unions and NHS,anti-Murdoch or business/entrepreneur just didn`t seem to matter then…and then came the Hutton Report, doctoring Royal footage and those phone-in riggings and scandals.
Yes, different times-and the BBCs craven suckup to Islam ought to worry you as much as their own toxic faith in global warming and the Socialist Atheistic Man of their creation.
The BBC are presumptuous, hypocritical, venal cowardly pollyannas…then bitchy, sour and ignorant or patronising when it suits.
They`re out of control Max…where`s that Balen Report into their anti-Israel bias?
As for Northern Ireland-the BBC get a thrill out of sniffing Semtex, and love their rebels bearded and dangerous to them…Qatada? Adams?…well as long as it`s not white trash , the BBC will give them more that the oxygen of publicity…they ensure that the little people get their helium or flatulence instead.
“Cutting through Theological Confusion:
“Robert Spencer’s ‘Not Peace but a Sword’ Distinctly Divides Christianity from Islam”
http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/07/27/cutting-through-theological-confusion-robert-spencers-not-peace-but-a-sword-distinctly-divides-christianity-from-islam/
But it isn’t greater understanding, is it? It’s greater obfuscation.
The mother of all wars is Sunni vs Shia, not “trigger-happy Texans invading Muslim lands, or Jooz. It always was but the white middle-class Liberals found a way of blaming us for the main problem of the Middle East.
‘Huff Post’- Mehdi HASAN- INBBC.
-Expect ‘Huffington Post’ to be very pro-Islam in its political propaganda, which it is currently, because Muslim Mehdi HASAN is Political Director of ‘Huff P’ website.
Of course, Mr Hasan campaigned to have Geert WILDERS banned from Britain.
INBBC’s propaganda for Islam and Ramadan ignores reality.
INBBC seems to be enforcing a global censorship on much of the current Islamic jihad extreme violence and Sharia repression.
Example of Ramadan reality for INBBC to report:-
http://www.jihadwatch.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/br0nc0s/managed-mt/mt-srch.cgi?search=ramadan&IncludeBlogs=1&limit=20
As this is asking whether Muslims are demonised, I assume that they are limiting this to the UK? As in, are Muslims demonised in the UK…
My answer is, “I have not heard of any Muslim being beheaded by Christians screaming “Jesus is Love!”
And then, of course, the Nazis are being demonised for simply adopting the 1400 year old methods of Islam for spreading its ideology.
We should feel sorry for them
Well done Chris H.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks.
Glad that you put this up Max.
The arrogance and presumptions contained are very Nu Labor aren`t they?
BBC-Democrat: STILL censoring on Islamic jihad murderer, Major HASAN.
Why?
“Fort Hood shooter accused of killing 13 and wounding 32 speaks out ahead of trial to claim America has a ‘war against Islam'”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380077/Major-Nidal-Hasan-Fort-Hood-shooter-accused-killing-13-wounding-32-speaks-ahead-trial-claim-America-war-Islam.html
“Mehdi Hasan and the EDL”
By Douglas Murray.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/07/mehdi-hasan-and-the-edl/
What about “Is the indigenous population victimised?”
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes, recurring.