This report today reminded me of something similar:
Five boys have been arrested after fire destroyed a school in Lancashire
Way back in June 5 boys were arrested suspected of committing arson at the Muslim Darul Uloom school.
They were supposed to reappear at the police station in August.
So far I haven’t seen anything about that…maybe I’ve missed it. No doubt someone can enlighten me.
Considering the furore that erupted concerning this and other such events and the finger of blame being pointed at particular parties isn’t it about time we had a bit of clarity on who exactly committed this crime.
If it isn’t the party so accused we should know. This is a highly political and sensitive issue and whislt the true culprits remain hidden from sight the blame is cast on a group that may be entirely innocent…or may not be….but it is highly convenient for other groups for the suspicion to rest on this group.
The BBC itself played a major role in casting suspicion on the EDL or the Far Right on the basis of, well, no ‘compelling evidence’ at all……it may well be them..or someone with similar views. About time we knew either way and the suspicion that something is being hidden is stamped out.
“The BBC itself played a major role in casting suspicion on the EDL or the Far Right on the basis of, well, no ‘compelling evidence’ at all………”
Unusually for Alan this post is bereft of links. perhaps he can point us all to the evidence that supports the above statement. The two BBC articles on the Darul Uloom fire make no mention of the EDL or any other organisation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22831882
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22837852
Albaman, Pounce
Andrew Neil said:
‘You would be forgiven for putting the EDL high up on a list of suspects’ for attacks against Muslim sites.
But you’re right the BBC has never made any link between ‘Islamophobic’ attacks and the EDL.
Which is why they dragged in Tommy Robinson to presumably not answer the non-existent case against him and the EDL….many times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22852764
‘The EDL is motivated by hostility to all Muslims.’
‘The fact is that ordinary people don’t want anything to do with you…the EDL is using the death of Lee Rugby to carry out attacks.’
Yes…The BBC has never associated the EDL or the Far Right with attacks on Mosques or Muslims.
The EDL…‘A self styled anti-Muslim vigilante group’.
Alan,
I’ve checked each and every bBC article regards this fire and they don’t mention the EDL at all. In fact they do go out of their way in which to say this:
It’s too early to jump to conclusions and they need to check out the cause”
Bob Neill
MP for Bromley and Chislehurst
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22831882
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22837852
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22835043
I may have missed the actual article you are referring to, however it would have helped your case if you linked it into the story. On that note on checking out the story, i found that the Independent and Sky news linked in the EDL into the story. The bbC (As much as I despise their biased news reporting ) didn’t.
Ah I rest my case:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22841184
Alan, apologies, I should have searched a little harder before posting the above. Please feel free to remove my post.
Why remove your post? The report you link to says that at a previous arson attack the initials “EDL” were found scrawled on a wall(a fact not disputed) however the “EDL denied any involvement”.
Is this really evidence that the ” BBC itself played a major role in casting suspicion on the EDL or the Far Right”?
Wow within a minute you not only reply but somebody ticks your post. Want to tell us something Mr “They can never take away our freedom” Albaman.
I checked the facts and I found a post which supported Alans’ article. At least I have the balls to admit I was wrong.
Now please excuse me as I have a 20 mountain mile bike ride to undertake.
I can’t help it if someone agrees with my comment.
Take care and enjoy your cycle.
‘The report you link to says that at a previous arson attack the initials “EDL” were found scrawled on a wall.’
‘The two BBC articles on the Darul Uloom fire make no mention of the EDL or any other organisation’
Given the right circumstances, there may yet be evidence to hand revealing that you will end up just arguing with yourself to meet quota, but not sure that will count on the shift tally.
No quota!!
No shift tally!!
Why persist in posting comments that suggest I work the BBC?
Well, mainly, as with anything from CW attacks to errant acronym spraying, it’s often worth looking at who is best being served by deeds and the words spun around them.
That, and the reaction it provokes when you see things written that aren’t there but you feel fit to embrace anyway.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that what you contribute is meant to be taken seriously.
Take care and enjoy picking up the toys.
Sun’s out. More weeds to pull.
Albaman
Whilst you’re here perhaps you could sort out why someone using your work computer or on your local network at work has posted homophobic comments on this site.
Sure you can sort them out and stop it happening again. Thanks.
Nothing at all to do with me.
No one has access to my home computer and my work computer is password protected both for sign on and for accessing the VPN.
Sounds like Alan has some convincing evidence here, Albaman, of somebody at your workplace also posting on here and maliciously at that. Let’s face it, there can’t be many of your colleagues interested in b-BBC can there?
I’m sure a fine upstanding citizen like yourself could bring it to the attention of management – they wouldn’t be too pleased if they knew (assuming – horror at the thought! – they are not complicit).
Can we count on you to report back?
“Sounds like Alan has some convincing evidence here, Albaman, of somebody at your workplace also posting on here and maliciously at that.”
Really – if so let him post such evidence.
Kind of a metaphor for the whole Syria deal going on here (actually the domestic ‘community in fear’ errant, anonymous acronym spraying is the same in miniature, and less deadly) claim & counter claim, demands for proof and no sense what would constitute it even if provided. And of course denials.
Thing is, this is Alan’s ballpark, really, so it all gets a bit academic, beyond data protection-busting taunts.
What may be worth bearing in mind is the BBC way of handling such an issue, which would be immediate obliteration, no appeal, no public challenge.
Exile & oblivion.
They can, have and would.
Goose v, gander?
It was thought necessary to mention that “EDL” was scrawled on the walls in a different attack, but not the one being reported on? Why, if not to attempt to link the EDL with this attack?
Ah, there’s reporting, and then there’s analysis, and then context or maybe allusion possibly followed by inference.
Not at all acceptable in the hurly-burly of forum exchange by all accounts, but when deployed by our most trusted £4Bpa narrative enhancer, entirely legitimate.
Well, to some pulling the afternoon shift.
From what I remember of BBC radio reporting on this at the time it was the crafty, cowardly way they conflated the report of the arson with the EDL without directly linking the two. Especially to the listener who isn’t paying 100% attention to the broadcast they just hear the buzzwords and bingo! there’s your association. They do it all the time.
‘the crafty, cowardly way they conflated the report’
Well, some cannot be relied upon to interpret events no matter how unsubtle the BBC is in joining dots for them.
How long before the EDL starts getting hold of logo-branded sarin to leave around?
And these days it’s more often than not because it’s the BBC so overtly making connections that most public start looking for other explanations.
That’s why they are trusted so now.
Another fire insurance mosque job?
http://www.fahrenheit211.net/2013/08/26/heres-another-funny-mosque-fire-funny-as-in-suspicious/
Thank you for featuring my story about the ‘suspicious’ mosque fire in Harlow.
One of the problems that occur when reporting things like the fire in the Lancashire school and the Darool Uloom school in Chiselhurst is that because those apprehended appear to be under 18 we would not normally know who they are or what demographic they belong to. It was only later when information emerged that the accused fire setters were former/current pupil of the Darool School that the cries of ‘racist attack’ subsided.
I hope I’m wrong and that the Lancashire fire is just normal teenage arson and has not been targeted because it is a Catholic school in an county that is becoming worrying Islamified.