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  1. Pounce says:
    November 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    The bBC , war crimes and when the culprit is a …Muslim.
    War crime trial in Bangladesh was ‘politically motivated’
    A prominent British Muslim leader who has been sentenced to death by a war crimes tribunal in Bangladesh has told the BBC he did not receive a fair trial to clear his name. Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, 64, who lives in London, was convicted on Sunday of playing a role in the murder of 18 intellectuals during Bangladesh’s independence war in 1971. He said the trial in Dhaka, in his absence, was “corrupt” and politically motivated. “It is unfortunate, a corrupt legal process finally came to such an unfounded and totally irresponsible decision,” he said

    Right , so it transpires that we have yet another man guilty of war crimes living in the UK and the bBC not only allows him to plead his innocence , but it fogs the issue in its usual smoke and mirrors style of reporting. So reading the above opening statement, we hear from the person in question that actually he is not only innocent , but he is a victim of a political conspiracy.

    Now the bBC reports this about the man:
    The prosecution said during the conflict Mueen-Uddin was a member of the al-Badr group, which fought to prevent Bangladesh from gaining independence by identifying and killing pro-liberation activists, including academics and journalists.

    and in turn allow Uddin to comment on that:
    “I was never a member of any militia group. In fact, I was a supporter of unity of a sovereign country Pakistan and that was not a crime.

    And there lies the smoke and mirror trick, I quote:
    ” I was a supporter of unity of a sovereign country Pakistan and that was not a crime.”

    In 1947 India was split in 3 East and West Pakistan and India. the former are Islamic and the Latter while having a larger Islamic population than either the other two is largely Hindu.
    As is the way of Allah, the Stronger military power of the two new Islamic states took control of both and not only robbed blind the stronger economic region but insisted that Urdu would be the only language, (When the language in East Pakistan was Bengali) on top of this the vast majority of political and military remained in West Pakistani hands. This was perfectly exampled when the East’s Awami League won the election in 1970( a majority of the 313 seats in the National Assembly.) and West Pakistan refused to allow them to take power, instead suggesting that they should only rule East Pakistan. Things went pear shaped after the worse cyclone in History struck East Pakistan and 1/2 million were killed and the Government in Pakistan did nothing.
    The people had enough and demanded to cede from the West, they in turn sent in their troops and using the maxim that the people were killing were apostates killed around 1.5 million. 10 million sought refuge in India. and India did nothing for 9 months. However Pakistan couldn’t allow people to run away to India (Throughout November, thousands of people led by West Pakistani politicians marched in Lahore and across West Pakistan, calling for Pakistan to Crush India.) and so it tried to emulate Israel during the 6 day war and launched a pre-emptive strike against its much lager neighbour .
    (Big Fail)
    This brought India into the game and within 2 weeks it had crushed West Pakistan on the Battlefield.

    Now this is where Uddin comes in, as Indian troops advanced in East Pakistan, Pakistan troops and Pro Pakistan groups during the last few days of the war. Professors, journalists, doctors, artists, engineers and writers were rounded up by Pakistan Army and the Razakar militia in Dhaka, blindfolded, taken to torture cells in Mirpur, Mohammadpur, Nakhalpara, Rajarbagh and other locations in different sections of the city to be executed en masse, most notably at Rayerbazar and Mirpur.

    This was to ensure that East Pakistan wouldn’t have the means to effectively rule itself for a large number of years (Which has come true)

    Uddin was named In 1972, by The New York Times that he “has been identified as the head of a secret, commando-like organization of fanatic Moslems” tis was followed by a 1995 channel 4 program where again he was named and yet the bBC allows him to quote his innocence. (Can you imagine them doing the same for Bush?)

    The bBC then comes out with:
    The proceedings of the tribunal have come under criticism from lawyers and several rights groups, including the New York-based Human Rights Watch, which has described the trials as flawed.

    The same bBC which refrained from quoting human rights groups in its article about how Iran strung the necks of 14 people in responce to some of its border guards getting killed by Pakistani Muslims.

    Did love how they allow this murderer to close off the article:
    “Living under such a stigma will affect my life and my family’s life, but I have offered to clear my name and if the chances are there, I will do it.”

    OK gobsite, go to Bangladesh I will even pay the air fare for you. Something tells me you are one Muslim who will refuse that offer of a freebie .

    The bBC, the traitors within our Midst.

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  2. George R says:
    November 6, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Will INBBC follow ‘Evening Standard’ in reporting this?:-

    “A terror suspect vanishes in disguise, a young Londoner ‘dies’ fighting in Syria and videos appear of a preacher praising holy war: what is going on at the An-Noor mosque in Acton?”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/a-terror-suspect-vanishes-in-disguise-a-young-londoner-dies-fighting-in-syria-and-videos-appear-of-a-preacher-praising-holy-war-what-is-going-on-at-the-annoor-mosque-in-acton-8922238.html

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  3. ember2013 says:
    November 6, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Imran Khan threatens blockades against the US if they continue to send drones in his country.
    This isn’t on the front page at the BBC website

    Who else reckons if Mehsud’s demise had been under Bush we’d have seen far more Newsnight programmes devoted to it? As it stands Obama isn’t receiving much BBC flak.

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    • George R says:
      November 6, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      Yes, such is the propaganda of the pro-Taliban, anti-drone lobby inside INBBC.

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      • George R says:
        November 6, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        Blatant, incessant INBBC propaganda for Taliban, against drones.

        Beeboids’ permanent PR for:

        Imran Khan, Mehsud and Taliban.

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  4. George R says:
    November 6, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Afghanistan.

    Two reports:-

    1.) ‘Daily Mail’

    “Pictured with the man who shot him dead moments later: RAF policeman grins alongside rogue Afghan policeman who opened fire on him and comrade.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487867/RAF-policeman-grins-alongside-rogue-Afghan-policeman-opened-comrade-moments-later.html

    2.) INBBC

    “British soldiers Cpl Brent McCarthy and L/Cpl Lee Davies unlawfully killed”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24826790

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  5. John Anderson says:
    November 6, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    A quick summary of how deep Obama is in his swamp of lies about the (Un)Affordable Health Act :

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/brit-hume-jay-carney-continues-to-peddle-nonsense-in-defending-clap-trap-obamacare/

    Can we swap some of the BBC ghouls for Megyn Kelly – a better more informed interviewer, and plenty easy on the eye ?

    Obama’s approval rating, in spite of years of support by most of the US media, is lower then Bush had after the same period in office – and Bush faced endless media criticism about Iraq and then Katrina. The ObamaCare scandals are drowning him. But still silence from the BBC.

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  6. Roland Deschain says:
    November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    James Delingpole: Smash the BBC licence fee!

    “But the net result will be good for everyone. Well, not quite everyone: not for the kind of people who put “I heart NHS” on their Twitter profiles; not for the Occupy crowd; not for Israel-haters; not for Belfast and Salford taxi drivers (of whom more, later); not for the Islington chatterati… ”

    (Apologies if others have posted already)

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  7. George R says:
    November 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    For Beeboids, who only lightly report Australia:-

    “John Howard: Global warming cause is adopted as a ‘substitute religion'”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/john-howard-global-warming-cause-is-adopted-as-a-substitute-religion-8924587.html

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  8. Anders Thomasson says:
    November 6, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    BBC in 9/11 faux-outrage shock…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24835322

    I don’t remember any outrage from the same organisation after the US ambassador was treated so appallingly on the post-9/11 Question Time.

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    • Guest Who says:
      November 6, 2013 at 4:33 pm

      Can’t say I have much sympathy with the silly bints, but that’s between them and the bunch of people present, especially any egging them on.
      Not the assembled outrage industry that only the 8,000-strong cubicle farm can appear to muster at the drop of anything that may have ‘critics are saying’ attached.
      It has spawned two vile industries at once to serve the demands of a media who just love a quote, the affrontists and meagulpaists. All summarised in this truly worthless section of ‘reporting’…
      ‘”Both organisations have begun an urgent investigation into the circumstances around which these images have been taken with a view to taking the necessary action.”

      The university spokeswoman was unable to say what action could be taken.
      So… that will be looking like doing ‘something’ until it all blows past and the next daft outrage attracts the media carnival of ghouls. Then forget about it.

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    • David Kay says:
      November 6, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      i think they probably won because the DJ wanted a BJ backstage rather than the 2 students having the best costume

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    • Guest Who says:
      November 6, 2013 at 5:07 pm

      Noticed this on the other news column:
      Political pantomime
      Do MPs agree with Russell Brand and Jeremy Paxman?
      Interesting headline*, given the force-funded for eternity BBC has set up an ex and current millionaire Acton Anarchist tag-team in one corner and regularly-elected Parliamentary representatives in another.
      An apt metaphor in many ways, but not perhaps the smartest play for an entity that claims to speak for the nation but actually runs a closed shop for a very limited number of troughing activists.
      *Leads here, and it’s still open for comments:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24832816
      Seems to have been open for 3 hrs so far. See how long it lasts. There seem a few about the BBC’s murky role in it all. So a closing may be not far off.

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  9. David Kay says:
    November 6, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    BBC Paedo in court charged with 15 rapes and an indecent assault.

    For the sake of the countries children, Ban the Buggering British Children Corporation

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24835343

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  10. onlyne says:
    November 6, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    The BBC loves to interview so called experts who represent “think tanks”, “community organisations”, “foundations” of one kind or another, etc. Would it not be a good idea if they were legally obliged to tell the listening/viewing public who is behind these organisations – who funds them – what the past background of the person being interviewed is? But they don’t, and if you can be bothered to google the apparently worthy organisation in question, you will often find they come with a heavy bias – just like the BBC itself.

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    • John Anderson says:
      November 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Simple rule of thumb – if the BBC does not give any background, the organisation is 90% likely to be leftwing and the Beeb is just broadcasting their bilge without criticism or appraisal.

      If their is criticism but the politics/background of the outfit is not specified – it is 90% likely to be on the right – or “hard-right”. Hence the criticism.

      This whole matter has been in public debate just a short while ago. But the BBC is not paying any real notice. Why should it – its their money, not ours that is being spent.

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    • Roland Deschain says:
      November 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      I’m sure I heard the other day that they are supposed to under BBC guidelines, but with the get out clause that it’s where it would be relevant to the viewer/listener’s understanding.

      Unfortunately, as most of them view left wing as the norm, they don’t think that the viwer/listener needs to know.

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      • Guest Who says:
        November 6, 2013 at 5:12 pm

        It seems like someone put the ‘Beware of the Leopard’ in a blender with ‘Catch 22’, and out popped the BBC Editorial Guidelines, which of course appear destined to join every other aspect of their funny farm activities under an FoI exemption soon.
        Even Nick Pollard, given full access to everything but the bits he wasn’t allowed near, has in his report mention of guideline actions that had no discoverable guideline in support.
        The BBC is a mess.

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  11. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:
    November 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    ‘Labour says …’ again. The bBBC is parroting Miliband’s claims that the NHS A&E are ‘in crisis’. As usual, when the socialists have nothing to say, they invent stories about the NHS to get their baying supporters wound up. But does anyone, outside the bBBC’s public sector bubble, believe them any more?

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  12. Llareggub says:
    November 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    BBC revives the story of Arafat’s death. But right at the end, planted in the final sentence, there is a hint that it wuz the Joos that dun it.
    ‘
    ‘Many Palestinians believe that Israel poisoned him. Israel has denied any involvement. Others allege that he had Aids’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24838061

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    • Guest Who says:
      November 6, 2013 at 5:23 pm

      Didn’t get that far.
      This came as one of their special gee-whiz emails, and the subject title was enough for me to blow it off:
      ‘Yasser Arafat ‘may have been poisoned with polonium”
      And hence, equally, may not have.
      It’s not news.
      It’s #prasnews, with agenda attached.

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  13. Guest Who says:
    November 6, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    As an (I think ex-) insider, this guy rustles up some interesting stuff, and is usually pretty fair.
    Here he’s not keen on others who take the BBC to task:
    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/island-life.html
    I was going to shrug and move on, but then I realised how well the BBC has us all trained.
    ‘a reasonably firm rebuff from the BBC Trust’
    So, basically, this disputatious duo had to deal with the BBC, about the BBC, on the BBC’s own turf and terms, and the fact the BBC decided the BBC was again purer than virgin Radio 1 groupies (now).
    Now I have no doubt some complaints are indeed vexatious and/or flippant.
    However, how the BBC keeps a straight face at being courtroom, judge, jury… and defendant on every case involving its own activities is beyond me.
    Just because the BBC Trust says something, does not make it the least bit valid.
    Look at its Chairman.

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  14. Thoughtful says:
    November 6, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Most people reading my posts here will know that I’m pretty much right of centre, but todays story of benefits suspensions has made me really angry!

    Don’t get me wrong it someone isn’t looking for work then they deserve sanctions to be applied. It isn’t the fact of the sanctions, it’s the numbers involve which lead me to believe that this cruel government is simply trying to cut costs by starving people.

    I’m sure we all know that there are people swinging the lead, but a third of all claimants in Wales were sanctioned in a 9 month period !
    In the UK there were 400 000 people given 580 000 sanctions, that’s over 20%.

    The thing is having worked in the public sector I know just how incompetent and uncaring the morons who administer these schemes are. I have no faith in public sector anything there is nothing they do that couldn’t be done better by the private sector, and that includes the Police!

    So we hear tales of the most ridiculous reasons for these suspensions such as failing to look for work on Xmas day, or being late for a Job seekers interview when they changed the time and forgot to inform the claimant that they had! Or telling someone a second job interview was not a good enough reason to miss an interview.

    But it’s not just that. A Magistrate friend tells me that people are not turning up to court and having to be arrested because they have no money for bus fare – the cost of which far exceeds a weeks benefit. They cannot fine someone who has no money as it’s impossible for them to pay & it’s not legal to levy fines in those cases. They can’t sentence people to community penalties because jobseekers are being ‘punished’ with those for being unemployed !

    This is an asinine policy implemented by idiots on behalf of multi millionaires so far removed from reality that they have no clue.

    Put yourself in this position:

    You’ve paid your contributions and are receiving the pittance the state dishes out when some junior apparatchik decides you haven’t done something the way they want and ends your benefit claim for 13 weeks. How would you pay the rates? the heating ? or feed yourself? How long would it be before you were forced to either beg from relatives or else turn to crime?

    This is needlessly cruel, there has to be a better way.

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