Good economic news! Quick, raise doubts and pour water on it so that “cost of living crisis” meme is unaffected! Over to you gang! A new Mark Carney approved Open Thread!
Freedom House have released their latest ‘Freedom in the World’ publication, the standard-setting comparative assessment of global political rights and civil liberties. Published annually since 1972, the survey ratings and narrative reports on 195 countries and 14 related and disputed territories are used by policymakers, the media, international corporations, civic activists, and human rights defenders to monitor trends in democracy and track improvements and setbacks in freedom worldwide.
Will we see this survey reported on the BBC? I doubt it as the only country classified as ‘Free’ in the Middle East or North Africa is Israel. Now reporting that really would ruin the narrative.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25880727
“The opposition and most Western governments want Assad to step down from office as a condition for peace.
US Secretary of State John Kerry has called Mr Assad “a one-man super-magnet for terrorism”.
errr yeah! … right?
The BBC brings the good news that the terrorists … I mean
national opposition in Syria will acquiesce to talks. so that the jihadists … I mean national opposition, can get busy
organising sharia … I mean democracy.
I mean now that J Kerry, has decided that the Assad Government is toast, despite consistent warnings about escalating jihadi violence, being far, far worse … and recent news that far in excess of 50% of the population wouldn t
touch this “opposition” with a bargepole.
I mean seriously, what? … WHAT? could go wrong đ
I ve listened in driving back … the BBC s absurd bias is stomach churning
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Agreed. After all, âregimeâ change worked so well in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Such wonderfully safe countries these daysâŚ
What is staggering is the openness with which they admit that the stated aim of the Geneva 2 talks is âregimeâ change! May I suggest âregimeâ change in those paragons of democracy, America and the UK?
Interesting how the democracy the citizens of those countries enjoy is rapidly starting to resemble the âdemocracyâ they delivered to the Middle East. As Orwell said: ââŚIf you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face â foreverâŚâ
I especially love how the torture photos conveniently came to light just in time for the Geneva âtalksâ. Iâm sure said talks will make no mention of the beheading and cannibalism carried out by the Al-Qaeda associated ârebelsâ. Instead they will provide the casus belli for another crack at warâŚI meanâŚinvasionâŚI mean regime changeâŚI mean humanitarian efforts and delivering freedom and democracy.
Itâs propaganda. Pure and simple. A lot like the mock-up of a Syrian refugee camp at Davos this year:
I wonderâŚdo they also have a model of a Western-backed Al-Qaeda associated Syrian ârebelâ camp?
The US/Saudi/Israeli proxy war with Iran/Russia was averted by massive anti-war sentiment on social media but they just canât let it go can they?
I actually had a little tete-a-tete on the BBC Facebook page recently (with somebody called âScamp Bellâ who I am convinced is either a bot or a shill as he always pops up to defend the BBC) about the BBCâs pejorative use of the word âregimeâ when describing the Syrian government attending the talks.
The BBC only seems to apply the word âregimeâ to the âbaddiesâ. Such an impartial news organisation! Whatever happened to reporting in a non-partisan fashion, without making judgement, even if it is only with their choice of language. Absolutely nothing stops them saying âgovernmentâ. Pathetic.
It is not legitimate usage of the word as it implies a side has been taken by the supposedly impartial BBC. Their other favourite is âstate broadcasterâ which they use for the news organisations of governments they have impartially cast judgement on.
There is however always an outcry when such terms are used for the BBC, no matter how legitimate the claim. Face it, the BBC is as partisan on plenty of issues as Boris Johnson is. At least Boris does not pretend to be otherwise.
It is however quite cute how so many believe the puppet on the left is entirely separate from the puppet on the right. Obamaâs second term is effectively a fourth term for Bush for example. Apart from the face there has been little to no discernible difference between the policies of the two. The incumbent UK Conservative government is almost indistinguishable from Blairâs Labour government.
Am I the only one that finds Mark ‘Ferret Features’ Carney deeply, deeply untrustworthy?
Is anybody buying his ‘forward guidance’ that seems to be anything but guidance and changes with the wind?
The rather strong rumour out in the alternative media lasy year was that Carney was only persuaded to take the BOE job after being given an assurance that he would be appointed PM of Canada in the not-to-distant future.
Now scoff all you want but given he is an ex-Goldman Sachs employee should give you pause for thought. See the links below to charts linking GS to high ranking appointments in:
Agreed. After all, ‘regime’ change worked so well in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Such wonderfully safe countries these days…
What is staggering is the openness with which they admit that the stated aim of the Geneva 2 talks is ‘regime’ change! May I suggest ‘regime’ change in those paragons of democracy, America and the UK?
Interesting how the democracy the citizens of those countries enjoy is rapidly starting to resemble the ‘democracy’ they delivered to the Middle East. As Orwell said: “…If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever…”
I especially love how the torture photos conveniently came to light just in time for the Geneva ‘talks’. I’m sure said talks will make no mention of the beheading and cannibalism carried out by the Al-Qaeda associated ‘rebels’. Instead they will provide the casus belli for another crack at war…I mean…invasion…I mean regime change…I mean humanitarian efforts and delivering freedom and democracy.
It’s propaganda. Pure and simple. A lot like the mock-up of a Syrian refugee camp at Davos this year:
I wonder…do they also have a model of a Western-backed Al-Qaeda associated Syrian ‘rebel’ camp?
The US/Saudi/Israeli proxy war with Iran/Russia was averted by massive anti-war sentiment on social media but they just can’t let it go can they?
I actually had a little tete-a-tete on the BBC Facebook page recently (with somebody called ‘Scamp Bell’ who I am convinced is either a bot or a shill as he always pops up to defend the BBC) about the BBC’s pejorative use of the word ‘regime’ when describing the Syrian government attending the talks.
The BBC only seems to apply the word ‘regime’ to the ‘baddies’. Such an impartial news organisation! Whatever happened to reporting in a non-partisan fashion, without making judgement, even if it is only with their choice of language. Absolutely nothing stops them saying ‘government’. Pathetic.
It is not legitimate usage of the word as it implies a side has been taken by the supposedly impartial BBC. Their other favourite is ‘state broadcaster’ which they use for the news organisations of governments they have impartially cast judgement on.
There is however always an outcry when such terms are used for the BBC, no matter how legitimate the claim. Face it, the BBC is as partisan on plenty of issues as Boris Johnson is. At least Boris does not pretend to be otherwise.
It is however quite cute how so many believe the puppet on the left is entirely separate from the puppet on the right. Obama’s second term is effectively a fourth term for Bush for example. Apart from the face there has been little to no discernible difference between the policies of the two. The incumbent UK Conservative government is almost indistinguishable from Blair’s Labour government.
Just listened to “Last Words” about Chris Chataway. The presenter seemed surprised that a capitalist could have an enlightened view of race, but in this he was “much more liberal than his right-wing colleagues”. As usual, it’s a case of “right wing bad, left wing good”. Don’t these people know anything about this country’s history? Even a site like this, http://www.unionhistory.info/britainatwork/narrativedisplay.php?type=raceandtradeunions
which is the Union Makes Us Strong website, acknowledges that racism existed throughout society. The left wing cannot claim to have an unsullied record. Too nuanced for BBC pillock, I suppose.
The corporate and state media are too busy perpetuating their own established narratives and creating memes to bother with nuance or the whole truth.
For example it was not the Democrats but rather the Klu Klux Klan that initiated gun control. Granted it was to suit their own ends but nonetheless you won’t hear that on the BBC or CNN…
When I heard on the BBC radio headlines of his death, they said nice things about him and that he was a politician, but they never said for which party. I assumed he was a Conservative for that reason. Looks like the BBC has now settled on the line to take being ‘he was a nice person and so not your typical Conservative at all.’
Good old Orla Guerin was there last night saying that the Egyptian “unpleasantness” thus far was not to be pinned to The Muslim Brotherhood or Al Queda…no sirree!
Todays bombs seem to undermine her, but she`ll still be paid to peddle her glossing over of anything Islamic.
That`s what she`s paid to do-been doing it for years.
Some prophet eh , re her not being able to link bombs today with the MB…the Pakistanis might want to check er credentials as a “prophet”.
Fact for you – Orla was once a candidate for a party in the Republic of Ireland. Anybody want to have a wild guess as to which party? Full marks and a gold star if you said the Irish Labour Party!
And FK suddenly” turned up “at Dale Farm ,when those pikey`s or traveller`s ,who had Irish accents were evicted .A deliberate tactic by al bbc, & so predictable .
Got to love how the comments have once again been twisted to look like the “UKIP are all racists/their voters have the lowest IQs because a small survey said so once and therefore you must be thick if you support anything they say” intellectual laziness has more backing than it actually does. Of course, there are times when right-wing commenters skew HYS to make it unrepresentative as well but it’s never as transparent as this. The reason I know for a fact that this was a deliberate move is that less than an hour ago ten of the top 20 comments were either in support of Farage or at the very least were saying “all parties are untrustworhy.” Now, it’s a totally different landscape – not just slightly changed, but utterly lop-sided to promote the leftist agenda.
Perhaps it’s time some of us redressed the balance a bit.
And it’s a ‘fact’ that Asians have higher IQs than Europeans who have highter IQs than Africans ergo we should all see how the Asians are going to vote and follow the.
IQ test scores are very good at telling you your score in an IQ test. Beyond that handle with care.
‘More detail would be nice’
Duly, kindly, provided by Dave s, providing crucial context.
Funny how the original seemed more BBC competence in nature and, of course, blew back.
Very silly.
I thought Farage pointed out that the draconian gun controls were a kneejerk reaction to the Dunblane massacre and primarily aimed at the law abiding gun owner.
The bad boys in the cities seem to have no problem getting hold of guns.
Redressing the balance might entail very harsh penalties on illegal guns and the use thereof.
Tony Blair put a D notice for 100 years on the Dunblane massacre, I wonder what they’ve got to hide, George Robertson the local labour mp, a incompetent buffoon was fast tracked into the job of NATO sectary !! Hmm….
Anyone seen the police report? No, and i doubt you will. The stupid cops up there were warned many times by his gun club of his behaviour, his out of date license, his guns at home etc…..action? Nothing…….nothing…..assholes…..kids dead…..blanket ban by dumb CPOs.
Tut tut, more Leftist lies. What Farage proposed was an eminently sensible return to the pre-Dunblane situation. In other words similar to the situation in so many countries in your no doubt beloved EU.
It is fair to point out that Lord Cullen did not recommend that handguns be banned. The Conservatives were panicked into banning all but .22 pistols in the belief that would help their electoral prospects in Scotland. They were wiped out anyway, and NuLabor then banned the .22 pistols as well. Obviously, ending the lawful ownership of handguns had no effect on criminality, but that was never the point. Nigel Farage is making a perfectly decent and reasonable point, and the fact he is being attacked by rotters such as Keith Vaz is only to his credit.
Heard this racist bias on R4 6.00pm news. The news mentioned a bogus bus crash, they named the driver but not the ring leaders, I wonder why? Read the yorkshire post it soon becomes clear.
Radio 4 only reported the name of the bus driver (who had an English name) but no mention of the larger group of Asians involved. Listeners were missled and given the impression that no minorities were involved. The BBC has spent all it’s credibility and can no longer be trusted.
Yes R4 report deliberately misled listeners , The bus driver was not at the centre of the story. They also somehow found and interviewed an unnamed female, English sounding bus passenger, this further obscured the true facts. How can the BBC get away with this ?
BBC radio 4 More or less pushing the âimmigrants contribute more to society than they take outâ line. However what they donât make clear is whether they are including âmigrantsâ into account as well as immigrants and of course there is no differentiation of countries of origins.
Neither is there any mention of time in the UK as immigrants are not permitted to claim benefits for the first two years (unlike migrants) if only the first two years of immigration is taken then itâs a given that they will contribute more than they take.
Just another example of a program which used to be non political attempting to explain statistics turning into a totally biased version and using itâs subject matter in a twisted way to present a conclusion which has been decided in advance.
The Lords report on migrants is rarely mentioned because they concluded merely on a ÂŁ per head/GDP that they had virtually no effect. Thus the GDP went up only because there is a larger population This does not include the negative social effects of a large influx of migrants.
Or the fact that total GDP is meaningless in terms of our living standards. Its GDP per head that counts.
And of course the Lords report was a very simplistic tax v. benefits balance, it didnt count the strain and costs to the infrastructure of all the extra people.
We are going to increase the population due to immigration . The infrastructure for the increased population has to be built NOW . The costs for the new infrastructure has to be paid for NOW .
Have the new arrivals already paid their costs ?
I have made it clear that any discussion concerning immigation that concentrates on the money aspect at the expense of the social impact upon a settled society is bogus. It is the only argument the liberal left have and is becoming irrelevant as the balkanisation of our country continues.
Missing the point deliberately aren’t you King Stupid .
Please explain how an immigrant can pay his way in his first week , month , year , decade , lifetime . Has he brought trunkfuls of cash with him as he lands here .?
I heard that too. Most of it was fair in that they did admit that non EU migrants are a drain, taking substantially more than they put in.
The bias lay in their unfavourable comparison of ethnic Brits with Eastern Europeans. As Britains *newest* ethnic groups Eastern Europeans are particularly young and are still barely over the ‘first wave’ migration, that is young and mostly single people. It is only during the second wave, when wives and children join them, and third wave, when the bridgehead family here start importing other relatives seeking benefits, or NHS treatment, that the full cost starts to kick in. And even then it isnt truly at max until the population ages retires and becomes a burden on the state and NHS.
European migrants contribute those from the ROW take and take a hell of a lot. Why did we ever let them in? Why do we continue to let them in? Why can’t we send em back and rid ourselves of these parasites and all the cultural problems that they bring with them. I don’t want to be enriched and i certainly don’t want to pay to be enriched.
Why won’t politicians and the BBC just accept that that is what the vast majority of British people actually think and want to happen.
We want our country back.
A story which you would hardly recognise as the same, the way the BBC reported it.
A gang of Pakistani Muslims criminally and fraudulently arranged a crash between a bus and a car, and filled the bus with 26 people who knew it was going to crash.
Here are some of the names (although the BBC never made mention of them.
Mohammed Gulzar
Shoaib Nawaz
Nisar Hussain,
Liam Howden,
Javed Khan
Saeeda Ali Bi
Sami Selam,
Kiran Shaheen
Seven others had already admitted conspiracy to defraud before the trial. They will all be sentenced later, while three others were cleared.
But guess who the BBC chose to name!
Adam Herbert-the pliant bus driver!
But of course Beeb….just imagine if we all knew that this is a Muslim scam…aand that as soon as we got whiteys name alone-we all KNEW it would be a scam as devised by those men who enrich us all…well that`s one word for screwing white female flotsam.
Maybe Savile was a Muslim at heart!
Only surprise that this one hopped the Pennines…this is a Scouse speciality from way back!
It’s not ‘dodging’ the licence. Nor is it a ‘loophole’. It’s perfectly legitimate and I’ve been doing this for years. I never watch live TV on the iplayer.
Craig Considine. Ph.D. candidate, Trinity College Dublin; Film director, ‘Journey into America’; Interfaith activist
typical self deluding title … interfaith activist? … (shakes head) …
and … if I hear another exponent of pretentious and airheaded leftwing prickery bleat … THE prophet
… The Pak: Islamic supremacists murder three more polio workers
… Muslim cleric arrested for role in sparking murders of polio workers
… Syria: Muslims see cross hanging from Christianâs neck, immediately behead him etc etc etc
KS … Baby … are you in the wrong place?, get yourself over there son, they could do with your help.
(maybe your moniker should be
king very very VERY stupid~)
‘Muhammad’s beliefs on how to treat religious minorities make him a universal champion of human rights, particularly as it pertains to freedom of conscience, freedom of worship, and the right for minorities to have protection during times of strife.’
Maybe our intrepid ‘interfaith activist’ needs to bone up on how Mr Muhammed and his followers spread Islam across the Middle East and beyond from the 7th century onwards. He’s either ignorant or disingenuous in the extreme.
Can we club together and get Mr Considine a one wat ticket to the Caliphate? Al-Quaida are renowned for their embracing of alternative viewpoints and cultures, as anyone who has studied Islam as much as Mr. C will know. The rest of us are just cynical, racist Islamophobes.
2 reasons you should not vote for the labour or liberal party at the next election no 1=tonight these snides have shown contempt for us voters and have both blocked any chance of us voting in a referendum choosing whether we want to stay in the eu or not.no 2= next wednesday ed miilband and nick clegg are laying down a early day motion in parliament and are blackmailing the conservatives to join in a vote to accept syrian refugees into this country,mengies campbell former leader of the liberal party wants for starters for us to accept 30,000 syrian refugees and resettle them in england but of course not in fife in scotland where he lives up there in the highlands,if this vote is passed in parliament on wednseday it will just open up the gates of hell from syria for them refugees to import this war onto the streets of england,the people to blame for this will be ed miilband of the leader of the labour party and nick clegg the leader of the liberal party.they are both a discrace and they make me sick.
Oh I dont know I quite enjoy them. Shame that the latest batch have been below snuff though,no staying power. I’m quite missing we willy winki and C.T.C.
We’ve not had a tin foil jew hater for a while either (though that I havnt missed)
This is a bBC article, surely total viewing hours per year would be an accurate indicator of popularity. For instance the item with the most viewers, Londons fireworks, only lasts 15 minutes.
‘Several members of a family who attempted to kidnap their sister’s gay partner have been jailed.’
Oh, now I see. The gay/muslim civil war has kicked off at BBC central. It was only a matter of time.
We shall surrender to them in the high streets, on public tranport and at the airports. We shall fight with waning confidence and diminishing strength over the airwaves – but when they come for the gays – we shall never surrender!
Handbags and Burkas at dawn.
Muslims, you messed with the wrong national broadcaster, they are going to slap you.
Benefits stopped ‘to meet targets’, PCS union claims
To be honest I’ve seen some of the spurious excuses given for stopping someone’s benefits and I know that the PCS are probably right when the PCS says that peoples benefits are being stopped to meet targets.
I’m sure that this is being done to save a small amount of money, but more so to make it apparent to the media that unemployment is falling when it is much higher than they are presenting it.
I don’t like being lied to whether it comes from the left wing BBC or the Tory party, and I’ll do what ever I can to get to the truth.
So where’s the bias in this piece?
“Mr Elliot said staff were being forced to carry out “politically motivated” objectives.”
Strange but I didn’t see the BBC complaining or reporting the politicisation of the whole of the civil service during the BLiar years, yet a Union squeaks about one aspect of policy, and the BBC make it headline news.
It doesn’t matter that the reporting is accurate, and that the Tories are doing something immoral if the excesses of the other side are not reported at all.
1)Le Monde journalist (leftwing paper)
2)NYT journalist (take your pick)
3)That grumpy ME bloke who always opposed the Iraq war
4) Caucassian woman who writes for “The China dialogue.”
The discussion started with French man using the phrase “cost of living crisis” (I wonder where he picked that up from?) and generally being negative about Britain today.
How would he know how the average Jo on the British streets feels like? Dateline London collects a group of people who are about as far removed from the average Brit as possible and then allows them to talk as “experts” on Britain (amongst other issues). It’s almost like a fair representation of the EU.
‘How would he know how the average Jo on the British streets feels like?’
Maybe, in addition to his reporting role, he’s also running the local pâtisserie whilst scooting about in his 2CV as adjoint au maire du village?
That seems to score highly on the BBC’s speaking for the nation ‘average’ charts these days.
I just watched that, I noticed that while Le Monde guy was happy to disparage the UK economy as not as strong as the rest of the EU (really?) when the question came to who should take in Syrian refuges , he stated that as the US and UK economy was so so strong , those two should take them in.
Woke up this morning to the “news headlines from Radio 4
1. Britons in Syria-oh what shall we do?
I did wonder where the EDL had gone, and it has been quiet at the pie and mash place near Millwall…
Britons eh?…wouldn`t be jihadis would they?…let`s call them English shall we seeing as that offends the BBC…cockney vultures all!
2. Only one more hour until Ed Balls makes a speech.
Last night there were BBC 24 types waning the goss on what it might contain-the great helmsman HAD been quiet with all that good news, but he plays the long game. The Twitter traffick was cited by Newsnights Friday poppet( the senior staff all back in Bourton on the Water for weekend revelries with Tristram back from Wellington…huzzah!
3. Dole cheating fatties and mental basket weavers are rumbled, and finally have to prove that they`re not fit to work.
. That Tory trap of pushing fat, lazy dole wallahs out of a blagged mobility scooter as the BBC wander by seems to be working…the taxpayer is saving something.
But from the tone of the newsreader-we need all hang our heads in shame, or at least hang a toff with a black tie!
Heard these three headlines-was glad the BBC have given up the ghost of brains or engaging with me…and went gaily over to dear Brian Matthew!
Woke up this morning to the “news headlines from Radio 4
1. Britons in Syria-oh what shall we do?
I did wonder where the EDL had gone, and it has been quiet at the pie and mash place near Millwall…
Britons eh?…wouldn`t be jihadis would they?…let`s call them English shall we seeing as that offends the BBC…cockney vultures all!
2. Only one more hour until Ed Balls makes a speech.
Last night there were BBC 24 types waning the goss on what it might contain-the great helmsman HAD been quiet with all that good news, but he plays the long game. The Twitter traffick was cited by Newsnights Friday poppet( the senior staff all back in Bourton on the Water for weekend revelries with Tristram back from Wellington…huzzah!
3. Dole cheating fatties and mental basket weavers are rumbled, and finally have to prove that they`re not fit to work.
. That Tory trap of pushing fat, lazy dole wallahs out of a blagged mobility scooter as the BBC wander by seems to be working…the taxpayer is saving something.
But from the tone of the newsreader-we need all hang our heads in shame, or at least hang a toff with a black tie!
Heard these three headlines-was glad the BBC have given up the ghost of brains or engaging with me…and went gaily over to dear Brian Matthew!
The top news story in the world just now is, apparently, that Labour will reintroduce the 50p tax rate. Comments are allowed and I’m pleased to advise that Balls and the BBC are getting hammered.
I have been abroad for a few days, returned to hear the Today programme this morning droning on about how the poor damn Muslims in the UK are marginalised, oppressed, it is all our fault their young nutters go off to Syria.
Hold on there ! They deliberately ghettoise themselves, separate themselves, avoid assimilation, listen to radical preachers and websites, give tacit or real financial support to terrorism, fail to crack down on their young nutters.
And then claim victim status at every turn.
If it is that bad here, why do they still try to flood in, legally or illegally ? it is high time we stopped any more coming. It is not racist to say that a whole bunch of them represent a dangerous alien wedge.
Why add to the social problems they are causing ? Enough is enough. Yet the gross immigration figures suggest there are still 200,000 or more Muslims entering every year. Some may be “temporary” – but we know that is BS. We’ve had a bellyful of their “cultural enrichment”.
I just hope the May elections blow the lid on all this. Why do we want to be handling all the problems of the Middle East and the wider Muslim world – it all adds up to a global basket-case :
Welcome back to Bedlam!
All those “young Britons” going off to study desert flora in the Gulf may well now know of the Sheffield scam where 26 Muslims claimed for whiplash after a preplanned shunt of daddys old Maestro by a bus.
The insurance claims were spotted as fakes…unlike those postal votes for Clegg and Blunkett.
What`s the betting now that all these jihadis will be claiming for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder when they come home?..and wh
Welcome back to Bedlam!
All those “young Britons” going off to study desert flora in the Gulf may well now know of the Sheffield scam where 26 Muslims claimed for whiplash after a preplanned shunt of daddys old Maestro by a bus.
The insurance claims were spotted as fakes…unlike those postal votes for Clegg and Blunkett.
What`s the betting now that all these jihadis will be claiming for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder when they come home?..and whats the betting that the BBC will bring on a Shiner or a Shami to tell us that the Woolwich butchers of Lee Rigby might do well to claim the same…and Matrix/EU pondweeds will assist with their enquiries.
Welcome to Bedlam.
Dead right-in the Syrian bitchslap we ought to be simply funding the loser until we flip flop back…Judeo-Christian taqqiya.
Take the Syrian Christians and atheists only…keep the Mozzies in the ring until Saudi and Iran smarm each other to a standstill…they rarely do the fighting themselves, but love those proxies of theirs.
Let THEM take the f***in refugees-they`ve got all that oil, plenty money to build sandcastles, plenty room…and aren`t they supposed to be famous for that famed “Arab/desert hospitality”.
The donations to the Green Cross or ANY humanitarian show them not to care too much about their so-called umma…their blood donations, organ donations even are laughable…they`d rather eat them on some fringes of Islamic lovingniceness.
If we take in any Syrian Christians and atheists…swap them ten for one for the jihadis, the Anjems and the like…and until we see a church in Riyadh and a synagogue in Islamabd…they can eat sand, and suck the bones of T.E Lawrence or the Camel Corps cretins of Meejastan…BBC and Guardian types especially
” Yet the gross immigration figures suggest there are still 200,000 or more Muslims entering every year. ”
Dont worry, Dopey David Cameron is promising to reduce it to tens of thousands. Up to now he’s done sweet FA about it.
Vote UKIP
I heard the trailer for this so decided to give the main item a big miss.
‘Disenfranchised young British Muslims going to fight in Syria’ was enough to get the blood pressure well beyond safe levels, without listening to more BBC-sponsored excuses for these alien scum of the earth who choose to dwell in our midst with their primitive, third world, barbaric attitude to humanity.
I’m really sorry I’ve disenfranchised you, Mohammed. Please don’t blow me up in my own country. I promise to respect Sharia and give you lots more of my tax money.
What happened to the BBC’s decision to start discussing “the truth about immigration”? Oh, that’s right, they never decided to do that. They just allowed their tame Young Conservative to do a documentary pretending to open up that discussion, so they could tick the box and go back to business as usual.
How the bbC rewrites History: Doodlebugs ‘diverted’ to Kent and Sussex to save London Professor Eric Grove from Liverpool Hope University says there is evidence the British government was prepared to sacrifice lives in the countryside to avoid heavier casualties in London.
Oh dear the nasty British government was prepared to sacrifice peoples lives in rural areas during the latter part of WW2, and they did this by reporting that V1 bombs had landed further west than they actually did. Pity those poor people in the fields of Kent who had to take the brunt of the peaceful NAZIS, blame them bBC rather than the British government. Funny enough the example they give of one crashing into a school killing 22 children was shot down and then bounced off a tree into the school. Pure bad luck nothing to do with the British government.
We all knew this as part of the history of WW2. God knows what tripe the BBC will serve up about WW1. I am already uping the dose of my blood pressure pills.
Just seen an advert for WW1 on the beeb, apparently black men were captured, chained up and taken from their homes in Africa to fight for the white man in Europe.
It is reliably reported that the BBC used to get the network of ‘turned’ spies – via the 20 committee to report the time of blasts that fell short with the location of blasts that fell long, thus persuading the Germans to reduce the average range of Vergeltungswaffe 1 rockets – undoubtedly saving large numbers in the densely populated London area and causing damage to the relatively unpopulated Kent regions.
Given that the Government (especially in the middle years of the war, had no ability to reduce the number of weapons fired, reducing the average damage per weapon seems to be the best result possible. The word ‘sacrifice’ is just the use of emotional blackmail.
Politicians and bleeding heart lefties seem to think that a war can be waged without casualties and with specific limited goals. Unfortunately the enemy doesn’t always seem to agree – hence the debacles in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.
(In case anyone doesn’t know – the 20 committee was so called because of the Latin for 20 ‘XX’ double cross.)
In true BBC EdGuid’s semantic style, the use of ‘sacrifice’ could at a stretch be used, but in context is as facile and emotive as it is possible to imagine.
Looking at the rest, purely to create divisive heat over offering any sensible light.
Of course any diversion by definition would see some now in the firing line where others get spared.
As Arthur rightly points out it was simple military triage in the fog of war. The countryside has acres with not a soul; the city thousands in the same area. Plus while the loss of any life anywhere is tragic, a few haystacks don’t equate to what was concentrated in the capital. ‘Evidence that…’? It was clearly a choice made, if a difficult but sensible one.
To try and stir this up now in such a way is utterly despicable. Grove and his eager BBC facilitators should be utterly ashamed to try and pull a stunt like this.
I’m getting ‘This content doesn’t seem to be working’. That applies these days to nearly all BBC productions.
Surely everyone knew that we were trying to deceive the Germans so that a lot of the rockets fell short of London ? Dramatically reducing the odds of casualties ?
And we are forced to pay the licence tax to pay for this spineless crap from the BBC?
I am hoping UKIP at least will include abolition of the tax in its manifesto. Maybe that is why the BBC is increasing its hatchet jobs on Nigel Farage ? How much did that stupid long BBC article on UKIP’s 2010 manifesto cost us ? Probably the only article that “journalist” files for the whole month.
Herbert Morrison, the Labour Home Secretary in the wartime coalition government, opposed the policy of misleading the Germans. According to R V Jones (Most Secret War, page 533):
“it was opposed by Herbert Morrison,…… who seemed to think that the attempt to keep the aiming point short was an effort by Government officials and others in Westminster, Belgravia and Mayfair, to keep the bombs off themselves at the expense of the proletariat in south London.
“he finally ruled that it would be an interference with Providence if we were to supply the Germans with misleading information, because this might mean that some people would be killed through our action who might otherwise have survived – overlooking the fact that what we were hoping to do, while it undoubtedly might involve such cases, would also enable more to survive who might otherwise have been killed.”
Jones gave instructions that Morrison’s decision at the committee meeting was to be ignored unless it was confirmed in writing. There was no such confirmation so false information continued to be supplied to the Germans.
Of course the BBC knows all this because Jones’ book “Most Secret War” was the book of the BBC’s 1977 series of the same name.
During the Battle of Britain, were the anti-aircraft guns not to be used if to shoot down the Luftwaffe plane meant it would crash-land in a heavily-occupied area of London? By thus standing down, allowing the Germans to unload their full cargo of explosives and incendiaries? Will no one think of the poor innocent lives of those killed on the ground by the falling plane– those whose Andersons weren’t up to snuff, those who couldn’t find a close-enough deep-enough Tube station?
Thought experiment #2
You are in charge, years later, of seeing to it that a repeat of all that loss of life in London is minimised to the greatest degree possible. Will no one think of those poor folks in the countryside who are being “sacrificed” on behalf of the Londoners?
Liverpool Hope?
Won`t that be the old Poly then?…or McCartneys Music Mudhut that gives us the Zutons or E.L.O tribute acts?
Just Heseltines walking trees, who don`t even give shade-just leech off us.
You`d have thought that someone there in the seminar rooms( the bus stops in the case of Grover) would have learned something after those days of Degsy and Heffer…but no!
Learning is for girls…St Cherie and Edwina spring to mind.
Tragic waste of a great city!
I think he is referring to the fact that Professor Grove teaches there. But Wiki suggests that Grove is a sound geezer, a decent military historian. Not your usual academic pacifist.
With all due deference to who ‘we’ can often be in various hands, this seems worthy enough quoting: ‘…this document reminds historians to be very cautious about the way we are writing history’.
I get even more twitchy when ‘writing’ has a ‘re’ added by some.
Unless you are able to decrypt his code, I wouldn’t bother trying. I’m told being good at cryptic crosswords helps a lot, but that ain’t my forte, so I don’t try. However, that does not diminish the validity of what he posts.
Lol, that’s a foreign language to you ChrisH I know, but a language that was here long before English.
And I’m only a learner, and will never perfect it, but I try hard. May i recommend you learn too?
Lol!…give me the phonetic equivalent and I`ll give it a go.
Great country Wales…and learning`s what I do….maybe too much at times…, don`t mean to offend when I may well try an anagram out of it!
All the best!
Translates as a Welsh Language Learner.
Lives in Wales, not born there, but learning a wonderful second language.
( always wished i could do cryptic xwords…..in truth struggle with easy clues).
Pob lwc achan.
Good luck mate.
Theres another welsh learner frequenting these pages…..pwy yw e tybed?
Sorry John!
1. Liverpool HOPE University….that surely is the old Liverpool Polytechnic…so I don`t hold too much to a lot of what they`re likely to be saying.
Polys were set up as more technical and vocational places for getting jobs, so I understand( Prof Grove may know different)
2. Paul McCartney has a “School of Performing Arts” or suchlike-the E.LO were a band in the 70s that copied the Beatles(IMHO), and the Zutons had a hit record with Valerie(and came from Liverpool)
3. The reference to Heseltines trees is a nod to his planting trees up there after the Toxteth Riots of 1981…and simply provided canopy and shade for muggers once a few YTS trainees had got a few quid at public expense.
4 Degsy=Derek Hatton…rentagob sharp-suited lefty who Kinnock had to boot out of the Labour Party for infiltration.
5=Eric Heffer, Labour Commie type who liked Marxism and revolution, but not the shyster agitprop of Degsy(see above).
6. Cherie Blair=Tonys wife and a freeloader
7. Edwina Currie=another Liverpool woman on the lam, albeit from the other side of politics.
Hope that`ll do…
In other news… http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/over-easy.html ‘It’s not clear whether or not he was on paid or unpaid leave’
Using precedent as a guide, what’s your bet?
Mind you… http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/toby-jugged.html ‘The BBC does not condone the offensive language used by Toby in his Twitter feed which was directed at a member of BBC staff. ‘
But surely, words and who directed at are open to variable forgiveness on BBC twitter feeds? Seems less tolerance internally than when deployed at those outside, interestingly.
Still, the hideous white male count drops further, so the diversity guys’ pie charts must be looking extra yummy.
And what we would do without intra to inter-media weasel on weasel incidents? http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/bivalves-crustaceans-and-future-of.html
I rather place the DM and the BBC at the same point with integrity in ‘reporting’, with a crucial difference that means the DM can be as politically skewed as it likes if its audience can stomach it. I still draw the line on accuracy with any medium.
In this case the incident seems consistent; the location less so.
Sounds pretty much like the Pollard, Rose, PAC and Smith reviews, if perhaps with less astounding uncuriosity.
He won’t be a union member, so probably no pay. If WDR wants to see the BBC’s sentencing guide lines for these violations, he’ll have to wait until they actually write them down. For some time now it’s been evident that they just pull it out of their asses as needed.
I’m just wondering who noticed the naughty word directed at his boss and reported it. Despite claims, there is no regular scrutiny of BBC tweets. Lots of evidence has been documented on this blog that they simply don’t care about “personal” Twitter accounts, which is what Young’s is: no BBC logo, and he’s got the requisite “get-out-of-bias-free” disclaimer. He’s just stupid enough to have directly insulted his boss without thinking that he’d be watched for the next couple of days. If he had called George Osborne whatever he called his boss, no problem. The BBC punishes staff for that only if a complaint is filed from a member of the public. So somebody in his office was watching, he did something stupid, and paid a minimal price for it.
Yesterday, as one hour of the BBC News Channel’s output was ending, Jane Hill one of the presenters, was announcing what was to come at the start of the next; ‘We’ll have more on the cost of living crisis’.
Good spot, P of E. The BBC at it’s insidious best – presenting the ‘Cost of Living Crisis’ as a fact rather than a Labour Party political ploy.
Do they do it subconsciously because they eat, drink and think Labour, or deliberately, putting two fingers up to impartiality because they are betting the farm on a Labour victory next year?
My feeling is it’s sometimes the first e.g. like when Naughtie slipped out ‘we’ve won’ following Blair’s victory in 1997, but more often than not it’s the second because the clear political bias smacks of careful co-ordination and planning at every level of their output (think ’28gate for Labour’).
Jane Hill was out in America working on a Presidential campaign a while back, and no, funny enough it wasn’t for the Republicans. Pretty tasty for a lesbian, though, I’d have to say.
Right of the end of the Today programme this morning at 8.55 Mishal Hussein was giving her final round up from Davos. She introduced the piece as there had been ‘evidence of the limitations of economic prediction with the Governor of the Bank of England having to revisit what he said about unemployment only a few months ago’. We then had the interview with Ngare Woods, Professor of Global Economic Governance at Oxford and Adair Turner. When Mishal made her point (as we had heard 30 seconds before) Ngare Woods explained that this wasn’t the case. Mishal’s response was to ignore what Prof Woods said and ask Adair Turner about something else. It didn’t matter what the truth was or the knowledge of her guest, Mishal obviously knew better than Prof Woods and used her own views at the beginning of the piece.
Radio 4 PM Sat. BBC agrees with government that Ed Balls’s income tax increase will yield almost nothing. So the Chancellor was right, it is a tax that actually has a negative impact on the total tax take. Just another instance of Labour playing to the gallery and damaging the country whilst doing it, like their announcement on the banks last week.
Will the BBC stick to that story or will it be buried once they realise what has been said.
Over the past day the BBC seem to have been pushing for the UK to accept any number of Syrian refugees in to the UK. It’s not one program specifically it’s any number of them, and quite often repeated.
For INBBC, the Muslim killers on tour in Syria, now demanding to return to U.K, are not Islamic Jihadists, but ‘Britons’.
“Britons returning from Syria face arrest, says police chief”
-Note wording of above INBBC headline wrongly suggests that Muslims who attempt to return from Syria where they commit violence and murder, will be arrested because they are ‘Britons’. No, they are Islamic jihadists, who see we kafirs as their enemy.
Well, when these liberal idiots succeed in getting these savages back on our streets, there will be more occurrences in the style of Woolwich.
Dopey Dhimmi Dave will be lined up to say, well ya know, it’s nothing to do with Islam.
All the liberals will put heads firmly in the sand, but unrest WILL ensue, believe it.
muslim supremacism, “honour” violence and lesbian hatred apart
George … was one of these perpetrators wearing a ….
dah – dah – DAAAAAH! niquab?
(shakes head) yet another crime committed –
time for that garment to GO.
How the bBC rewrites History yet again: Isle of Man church service marks Manx link to Holocaust
On reading the above headline, for a moment I confused IOM with the Channel Islands, however that was quickly touched into touch as I remembered exactly where the IOM is situated. (I’ve flown over it enough times) So exactly what Link has the IOM got with the Holocaust. Actually None, however the bBC ensures you read up that thousands of Jews were interned between 1940 and 1945 and by some weird extrapolation of facts the bBC conflate the internment camps on the Isle of Man with the Nazis concentration camps. Here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you. at the outbreak of war, German nationals were required to appear before tribunals, which classed them according to the security risk they posed. Only a tiny minority – some 600, mostly Nazi sympathisers – were placed in Category A and interned forthwith. The vast majority – over 64,000 and consisting mostly of ârefugees from Nazi oppressionâ – was placed in Category C and left at liberty. Some 6,800 people, whose cases were unclear to the tribunals, were placed in the intermediate Category B and made subject to certain restrictions.…In May 1940, the newly installed coalition government under Winston Churchill first decreed the internment of male enemy aliens between the ages of 16 and 60 living in âProtected Areasâ on the threatened sectors of the coast, then issued the notorious order to âCollar the Lotâ. Male refugees in Category B were interned, as were Category B women; the detention of male refugees in Category C, ordered in June, was under way when the policy of internment was halted the following month. This ultimately caused the internment of some 27,000 enemy aliens, including some 4,000 women, most of whom were Jews who plainly posed no security risk whatsoever. Ok, while understandable that mirrors what the bBC reports In a celebrated debate on 22 August 1940, as German bombs fell on the capital., public opinion had swung sharply against internment and the government had reversed its policy, issuing a White Paper in late July listing a variety of categories of internees eligible for priority release; these were widened over the following months. The release of the interned refugees proceeded reasonably speedily. The first 50 were released from the Isle of Man on 5 August 1940, though many more were detained until late 1940 or early 1941. By August 1941, only about 1,300 refugees were still interned in Britain
So between May 1940 and Aug 1940 the Uk interned over 64,000 German nations, by Aug 1941 that figure had been reduced to…1400.
And here’s something else the bBC left out about the IOM death camps:
All internees had been transferred to Ramsey by 19 April 1941 and the camp was empty. The camp originally held 800 but since large numbers of internees had left the Island, its population had been reduced to around 200 before it was closed. The barbed wire fence around the compound was then strengthened and machine-gun emplacements erected prior to Peel becoming a camp for persons detained under Defence Regulation 18B. These included Moseley, Ramsey and Domvill who before the war called themselves fascists. Steps were also taken to close Peveril Road, which passed through the camp and also of Walpole Road. The camp initially came under the command of Major Francis. The first 20 British Fascists who had been rounded up and imprisoned at the outbreak of war, and had been in custody in various prisons on the mainland, arrived at Douglas on Friday 9 May 1941. They were followed by about another 700 on the Monday, the steamer in which they arrived on was shadowed by an armed vessel .
Gee, I wonder why the bBC left out that snippet of information.
Here is a reply I received from the bBC regards their coverage of Mark Duggen:
Dear *********
Thanks for contacting us regarding BBC News coverage of the inquest into Mark Duggan’s death.
We understand you felt coverage of the inquest into Mark Duggan’s death has been biased.
When the jury reached a conclusion at the inquest into the killing of Mark Duggan BBC News immediately reported this; including their finding that Mark Duggan had been lawfully killed by a majority verdict of eight to two. Our reporter at the scene reported the conclusions point by point.
The News Channel and the BBC News at Six and Ten subsequently reported more key facts of the case including the Juryâs conclusion that âcrucially they decided Mark Duggan had been carrying a gun that day,â but also that it had not been in his hand when he was shot and their majority conclusion that he’d thrown the weapon away.
Matt Prodgerâs report in both bulletins outlined how:
âPolice had identified Mark Duggan as a senior member of a violent gangâ and that a further police briefing had said that heâd been arrested but never charged for possession of guns and attempted murder as well as the fact that he was being followed by police on the day he was shot.
Our online reporting of the story included an article from Matt Prodger which went into more detail on the legal argument and why the killing was deemed lawful:
We also reported how family and friends of Mark Duggan reacted furiously at the outcome of the inquest which included the angry scenes outside the Royal Courts of Justice as Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley read a statement which gave the Metropolitan Policeâs reaction to the case. The Assistant Commissioner was also later interviewed on the BBC News Channel and Newsnight to give further police reaction with Met Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe also interviewed on the news channel to give his reaction. The police perspective was also further explored in an exclusive interview with a Metropolitan Police firearms officer who had arrived on the scene minutes after the shooting. This was broadcast on all BBC outlets with the officer justifying the killing on the basis that Mark Duggan was âa threat.â
We also reported the historical context of the case, how Mark Dugganâs death in 2011 sparked a protest and then riots which spread from London to other cities across England. Mark Eastonâs report on both bulletins examined the impact the case has had on community relations in Tottenham and other parts of London and the initiatives the Metropolitan police have taken since.
All of this information featured constantly throughout our coverage and analysis of this story and the reactions of the Duggan family in particular were editorially relevant given that they continue to dispute the finding, insisting Mark Dugganâs killing amounted to an âexecution.â
The Today programme the following morning included an interview with Mark Dugganâs aunt when she was asked her to clarify the meaning of âno justice, no peace,â and the jury finding about the gun being in the car was also put to her.
Taken as a whole weâre satisfied that our coverage both reported the key facts from the case and heard a range of views and analysis in reaction to the conclusion.
We’d also like to assure you that we’ve registered your complaint on our Audience Log. This is a daily report of audience feedback thatâs made available to all BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive board, channel controllers and other senior managers.
The Audience Logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions on future BBC programmes and content.
NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform quoting any case number we provided.
So the bBC feel they reported this story in an impartial manner did they, and they wonder why they are reviled.
‘All of this information featured constantly throughout our coverage and analysis of this story and the reactions of the Duggan family in particular were editorially relevant given that they continue to dispute the finding, insisting Mark Dugganâs killing amounted to an âexecution.â
Well the Duggan ‘family’ would, wouldn’t they?
Sometimes you wonder whether the BBC are just being gobsmackingly naĂŻve as opposed to pursuing yet another agenda.
Ditto- I recieved the same reply -so I tried to complain about the reply- the website for bbc complaints wouldnt recognise the complaint number so I still havent managed to pursue the complaint online….
“tried to complain about the reply- the website for bbc complaints wouldnt recognise the complaint number”
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It must be very frustrating, but keep plugging away, even at risk of being expedited (by BBC logic, you reusing their deliberately resetting to zero complaints system to pursue a complaint counts as ‘wasting their time and licence fee payer money’).
And keep sharing.
This nonsense has to be exposed every time they try it on. Which appears, literally, to be… every time.
Once people realise the BBC has no intention of ever treating any legitimate complaint seriously, and commits vast resources to purely suppressing them rather than address genuine concerns, the whole sorry lie that is founded on spun illusions of trust and transparency will crumble.
Seems a good reply to me, but it would be interesting to see your original complaint, and if it amounted to anything more than ‘he was a gangster, he deserved it’.
You won’t be expedited for complaining that you’re not happy with the reply. In fact, you can see that you’re able to do that from the complaints site when you make your complaint.
Guest Who’s just bitter that he was expedited following his continued complaints which had no merit. (It won’t surprise to learn they had to write back most times asking what he was on about it!?!) Don’t worry Guest, I haven’t been hacking your emails, you just go on about it regularly.
I don’t know how you come to the conclusion that the complaint hasn’t been taken seriously though, when the response is quite lengthy and detailed, and you haven’t seen the original!
Another new name (possibly the only bit that is) I do believe… welcome Azazel. Though embracing the name of a primary antagonist to forces of good on more than a few counts may seem a bit overtly honest to convince anyone you are engaging in the spirit of light as opposed to heat.
‘Seems a good reply to me..’
Interestingly ‘seems good’ is the primary foundation of most CECUTT replies. Moving on… ‘Guest Whoâs just bitter…
And here was me thinking I was a cheerful soul. Still, if you say so. ‘.. that he was expedited..”
Don’t recall saying I have been. Certainly know a few who have. ‘…following his continued complaints…
Not hard to guess I may have seen fit to chip in, but you do seem to be projecting a bit already. ‘.. which had no merit.’
Now, here, one has to ask… how do you know this? ‘(It wonât surprise to learn they had to write back most times asking what he was on about it!?!)’
That’s an extraordinary amount of detailed knowledge on what ‘they’.. ‘had’ to ‘write back about’… ‘most times’. How do you know all this? ‘Donât worry Guest, I havenât been hacking your emails, you just go on about it regularly.’
I go on about CECUTT default practices, yes. The complaints process interests me.
I don’t recall much detail of the nature you have chosen to taunt with. Where have you sourced this from?
So maybe the BBC should worry more about who on the complaints staff does seem overly obsessed about what is shared here, and who fails to resist staying sensibly silent rather than making credible the notion the BBC bears grudges and goes beyond remit in trying to pursue them outside the complaints procedure whilst making unsubstantiated accusations?
I’d go so far as suggesting (in the manner of a BBC analysis) that a nerve may well have been struck and someone’s knee jerked in a way they may come to regret professionally.
Have a nice day Azazel.
Mine has perked up considerably thanks to your written… contribution.
BBC’s replies would seem logical to someone else who has not seen the specific complaints they are supposedly answering ., It is important to email again repeating specific points that you want a direct answer to and appeal if the answers are still not satisfactory.
See the Beeb is trying to soften it for Hollande. They kept repeating that he had split up from his partner, I suppose First Lady doesn’t sound too good.
“I suppose First Lady doesnât sound too good”
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deuxième ex-petite amie of course sounds much better to complement the gravitas of national statespersonship.
Did anyone watch the Culture Show ‘special’ last night on the history of slavery, featuring film director Steve McQueen?
Given what his latest ‘acclaimed’ film was about, I suspected this history would start and end with the enslavement of black Africans in America, with a passing nod maybe to the earlier roles of the Portuguese in Brazil and the British in the Caribbean, with the only villain of the piece being racist old whitey.
I thus decided to give it a miss, but would be interested to hear from anyone who watched it if my suspicions were misplaced.
Yes, that was many years ago; and the information there is not currently used to inform a general history of the British people, including enslavement.
I wonder if even Cornish schools teach about Thomas Pellow these days.
No I didn’t, but I do know Brad Pitt is in it, does he play the slave ? of course he would have to black up, but many famous actors have got the old tin of shoe polish out and blacked up, Alec Guinness in Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Kingsley in Gandhi, Laurence Olivier and Orson Welles as Othello, Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire.
If anyone has any doubts about the bBCs bias towards the Labour Party they should have a listen to the hourly Radio 2 bulletins.
At least six times in the last 24 hours (and thats just the ones I’ve heard) the first words spoken in said bulletins have
been ‘The Labour Party’….. It seems more important to news editors what Labour’s take may be on any government policy. Complete and utter bias.
I think we have to accept that the BBC has finally abandoned even the pretence of impartiality and has decided that, as nothing is going to be done by this spineless government of faux Conservatives to clip its wings, it might just as well get on with its Gramscian mission.
A few people squawk on the Internet, the Mail gets apoplectic but the lies and distortions can be turned on full and no one is going stop them.
Sadly, I suspect the BBC might be right. Most of the people I meet have had their opinions formed and reinforced by constant exposure to the BBC’s tide of sanctimonious liberalism.
As things stand, there are probably too few of us to bring about the changes needed. Things will have to get worse before they get better. If Labour wins the next election, they surely will. Perhaps then, when the Tory party defenestrates the TINOs in revenge and turns to more UKIP-like policies, we might get somewhere.
Agreed. With electoral boundaries skewed heavily in its favour, a massive rump of Labour MPs in over-represented Scotland, a massive and continuing influx of Labour-voting immigrants and a Labour-supporting ‘national’ broadcaster which accounts for 70% of the country’s news and current affairs coverage, not to mention the leftist agenda it thrusts down licence-payers throats in virtually every aspect of its output – how could we end up with anything other than a permanent country-wrecking socialist government?
Cycling home I saw those strange flights of massed starlings wheeling around the sky over the river.
Hundreds of birds that move as one.
The birds seem to have a single mind animating them. They reminded me of the liberal apologists and their hangers on.
Always predictable ,always in unison. The BBC is just like my flock of starlings. Never a thought out of place or an opinion out of order.
BBC-NUJ reporting Davos, and a play-acting role to get the mass entry of unlimited numbers of ‘asylum seekers’ from various Asian and African countries into UK, USA,
etc.
A view on ‘asylum seekers’ in Germany, which Beeboids are loath to report:-
“GERMANS protest exploding influx of Muslim asylum seekers, actually economic parasites, who bring little more to Germany than Islamic supremacy, crime, rape, and ingratitude” (Aug, 2013.)
http://www.salisburyreview.com/bbc.html.
Good article from one Scott Gromark re BBC bias.
Ought to finish them, but of course it won`t.
Good to hear an insider critique the smug-self satisfied cretins.
Well spotted chrisH – that article just confirms everything I suspected.. Let us hope the Culture Media & Sport Committee have been sent a copy for their Licence fee review.
What is the role of the culture Media and sports committee in relation to the BBC now ? Between 2002 and 2007 Every time my local MP forwarded my complaints about the BBC to them I would get a letter back from the Chairman saying the same thing – they could do nothing as the BBC was independent. Have things changed?
A very interesting article. Nothing will change the BBC. Or rather the BBC is incapable of changing itself. Bees do not suddenly become swallows.
I fear we will have to wait upon events. The coming of reality into our lives and even into the liberal hives.
Liberalism is an adolescent indulgence of the emotions at the expense of clear thinking.
It is a phase in our history.
The key tenets of liberalism are all well known to us. Once one is destroyed the whole lot will collapse.
Just give it time.
Actually we can change the BBC. Post the addresses of everybody who works there, pester them, inform their neighbours they are pedophiles and send them pictures of their children through the post
Sounds more like a short route to (deserved) incarceration, and a post more designed to offer the weekend Flokker crew (some a bit prone to deploying the unjustified all inclusive ‘we’ a lot) something to get excited about once they’ve ‘liked’ it too, coincidentally.
The BBC needs changing. This is no way to see it happen in a sensible manner.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, chrisH. This backs up just about everything I’ve been saying.
The BBC trusts two key feedback loops â audience figures and the Audience Appreciation Index â because these almost invariably tell the corporation that weâre pretty pleased with what weâre getting.
Ratings = quality public service broadcasting.
The BBC is too poll-driven.
You might expect its right-wing employees to object vigorously to examples of political bias on the BBC news outlets they serve, but youâd be hard-pressed to find any. Of the dozens of news journalists I worked with, I can think of only four who, either openly or secretly, admitted to being conservatives. My instinct at the time was that at least 90 per cent of my colleagues were leftists of one sort or another â possibly 95 per cent. In that sort of overwhelmingly liberal atmosphere, itâs no wonder that conservatives keep their politics secret for fear of damaging their careers.
The bias is institutional.
The BBC is evidently irresistible to left-wing job seekers, even in areas which, unlike news, comedy or drama, afford no opportunity for social engineering.
It’s self-selecting due to their hiring and training standards and practices.
Finally, you might imagine the consciences of senior managers â all honourable men, as I said â would cause them sleepless nights. But as they know they arenât part of a sinister conspiracy (there really arenât any secret meetings to plot Labourâs return to power), they feel no guilt.
There’s no need for a conspiracy or memos or editorial directives from on high, because they all think the same way already.
There are only two things Grønmark gets wrong. One is that there are plenty of conservative members of the public who write complaints to the BBC. It’s just that they’re dismissed for the same reasons he suggests for their dismissal of complaints from the Right-wing press. A classic example of this is Evan Davis’s recent dismissal of a complaint tweeted by DB.
The other thing he gets wrong is that sometimes there really are conspiracies to set Corporation-wide political agendas: Warmism and multiculturalism/immigration.
I would just like to add my thanks. A fine article – and some wise comments.
I have long thought that it is not so much conspiracy at the BBC to promote a leftist “progressive” agenda (though as David P mentions certain issues – multi culturalism, EU, Climate Change are actively promoted) rather a product of the very nature of the organisation itself.
Fill an organisation with people overwhelmingly of one mind set and what do you get? What is rather more suspect is its recruitment. Ever seen a job at the BBC advertised in the Telegraph? How Many? No, you find those jobs in The Guardian – and who reads The Guardian? Not too many people with a right of centre outlook.
The leftward march of the BBC began in the late 1950s and has continued with every decade. Leftists have found the media and arts a preferable choice to business. Better to write about it and criticise it than actually do it. I’d guess that with the reduction of the public sector in the 1980s this trend increased.
With a left wing mind set the prejudice seeps out in every corner of the BBCs output. The favouritism to Labour and the contempt of Conservative is on the surface. Yet peddling left wing bias is a lot easier in “entertainment” shows than news and current affairs.
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, when news was sort of balanced (cf 1971’s “Mr Heath’s Quiet Revolution” to “Yesterday’s Men”) drama was awash with left wing plays (Days of Hope, The Lump, The Big Flame, etc).
When they invite Mark Steel, Jeremy Hardy, Stewart Lee on to programmes they can be sure of what they get: Left wing, Daily Mail hating abuse.
It is too late to reform the BBC. The only option (and a vital first stage in rolling back “progressive” leftism in general) is to abolish the licence fee.
The Mighty Craig of this parish a while back points out this article on his blog “Can we trust the BBC?”
To quote Father Dick Byrne of “Rugged island”…NO!
It might surprise some of the trolls when I say that I would bitterly regret this. The BBC helped educate and inform me as a child and I think, had it not been stormed and taken by the ‘progressive’ Left, it would, quite genuinely, be the world’s finest broadcaster.
However, the Left has broken its own toy and I’m afraid it needs to be put on the bonfire. to destroy the source of the infection.
I don’t have high hopes for anything even vaguely resembling Radio 4 (as it once was) or Radio 3 (ditto) emerging from the commercial world, but as these two are now ruined, we had best just roll up our sleeves and get on with it.
GCooper, you’ve hit on exactly the obstacle to the Tories really going after the BBC. They feel the same way you do about what the BBC has meant to them all their lives, but don’t have the intellectual capacity to get past it, or the courage to follow your suggestions.
I have long felt the BBC see themselves, not so much apart from the rest of Britain, as above it. Some years ago I watched a documentary about the closure of the Lime Grove Studio. Anthony Smith, one time BBC producer appeared to talk about his time on “Tonight”. He recalled a letter from a viewer that ended “How I wish the country was run by the “Tonight” programme”. Smith smiled smugly and added “We felt that to”.
‘Unless the Right can think of ways of making the BBCâs feedback loops work effectively, or the BBC spontaneously recognises its responsibilities to license-fee payers who donât share its equalitarian instincts, Europeâs most significant left-liberal broadcaster will continue â shamelessly â to dress to the left. ‘
No chance of that if the only feedback loop available is the complaints procedure, judging by the experiences of several posters on here.
The only way a feedback loop will operate effectively in the BBC is through a massive re-balancing of the political leanings of their staff, which will require a wholesale clearout for, as the author says, 90-95% of them are leftists. Not going to happen, is it? – they are far too entrenched.
At risk of becoming the forum bore on this point, the problem (as Mr Grønmark knows) originates not really with the BBC itself, nor even the familiar red herring about it recruiting solely through the pages of the Guardian.
The problem of the Left’s hegemony in the media is directly attributable to the wholesale takeover of tertiary education (at least in the Arts) by the Left.
The BBC recruits Lefties because that is what the overwhelming majority of arts graduates have been brainwashed into becoming. “Want your degree, sonny? Then learn to speak Marxian!”
Until this is tackled and the vipers who have usurped ownership of our universities are turfed out, then the BBC cannot be reformed.
Nor, for that matter, can most of the media. Don’t assume that the Telegraph’s office is peopled solely by Thatcherite flag wavers. Dig into the soft centre of even the high Tory party rag and you will find cultural Marxists (and even a few economic ones) galore.
No forum bore at all Mr C.
Needs saying the cultural Marxism stuffs their mouths with utopian cant, in the knowledge that it will probably be able to stuff their pockets with more than 30 pieces of silver later on.
Steeped in slops of Marxist slurry from Frankfurts old fools that we were stupid enough to allow to infiltrate the West.
Humanitarian grounds…but at what cost to us later?
Maybe we need to be more vigilant about who we let into our country. Last thing we need are Israel hating, West loathing refugees who run out on their true enemies, only to make perpetual soft wars with those who gave them shelter.
Now that ChrisH was a post I understood. The problem is, that your view of those who would come here, differs from the spoon-fed version that exists within the brains of media consumers. And even if you are only 10% right, that will, in the near future, mean immense trouble.
Would someone care to remind me, just why did we begin this game of Russian Roulette?
Another example of the desperate/dishonest lengths the BBC’s TV Licensing contractors will go to in order to get their hands on people’s money.
A TV Licensing employee has been caught on video telling lie, after lie, after lie. He point blank denies he’s from TV Licensing, refuses to show his ID on several occasions and physically strikes out at the occupier of the property he is visiting.
Yes this is bad and hardly surprising. Although in a somewhat lighter vein I’m not sure Ballymena would be my destination of choice when attempting to get money out of people. There is an old joke which goes;
Q: Why do people in Ballymena have double glazing?
A: So the kids can’t hear the ice cream van.
Note too a campaign of the BBC to make us all pay for iPlayer-so the “financing can be modernised”.
In English-they didn`t think it out, and want us to pay for being made to look foolish.
Notice too a local paper telling all out pubs to make sure that they all have Licenses for the upcoming sports fests in rugby and footy…you know to ensure…”maximum enjoyment for us all”
In English-we know where you live.
The caring, dispassionate BBC…not Stalinists with a lavender sachet in their pantie drawers!
Auntie-Panties…more than just an old BBC show for kids eh?
Justin Rowlatt is the BBC’s supposed ‘Ethical Man’
Do we mean that he personifies the old fashioned BBC ethos of balance and avoidance of political bias?
Of course not.
In Guardian/BBC speak ‘ethical’ has come to mean Leftist values. If one is a good person then naturally one is a ‘progressive’ ie a Leftist. Or at least in one’s public life one espouses Leftist values to the wider world.
‘At Newsnight in 2006 and 2007, he was the central figure in a year-long series of reports entitled Ethical Man (re-visited in 2009). The series increased his public visibility and made him an “accidental green hero”, according to The Guardian’
Justin seems to be an almost quintessential BBC man – from his first name, ‘Rowlatt was educated at Mansfield College, Oxford University’ (so another Oxbridge liberal arts man) to his other half ‘He is married to BBC World Service producer Bee Rowlatt’ (keep it in-house eh Justin? I mean have a fellow Beeboid as a partner – don’t keep her in-doors – that would be terribly sexist)
From Bee’s Twitter….
Andrew North â@NorthAndrew Jan 17
‘Only with democracy inside the home can there be democracy outside’: Gloria Steinem at #Jaipur. My live sketch
So watch it Justin…
Bee of course also has all the right progressive views….
‘The May 5th event in Ramallah will feature, among others, Guardian employee Rachel Holmes and BBC World Service producer Bee Rowlatt….. it endorses the Palestinian call for the academic and cultural boycott of Israel’
TICK
Still Justin is allowed his days out with the lads…
‘A law in Russia banning “homosexual propaganda” has been condemned by critics, who say it incites hatred. But a day hunting and relaxing in the forest – and hearing some extreme views – suggests it has plenty of support.’
‘I’m sure Vladimir Putin, the famously tough Russian president, would be horrified to discover that the bare-chested photos of him shooting, fishing and riding – that he hopes will endear him to men like Yuri and Georgy – are celebrated as homoerotic classics on gay websites in the West.’
Hey BBC, just as a matter of interest, ever thought about broadcasting anything from people who aren’t quite so ‘progressive’?
Mr. Rowlatt is just another daft throwback from the tanking Newsnight brand. That he still uses the Ethical Man tag (guessing to retain followers gained during his brief, ill-starred misnamed role in this guise a few years ago) when he has a carbon footprint of an Australian mine company is hilarious (any actual, genuine enviro campaigner groans when he is mentioned, as even during his EM period his hypocrisies were legion, and when it was all over he dropped the pretence of being ethical like the BBC drops a vulnerable source once they’ve served). As is his missus’ clear ascendancy, from whinging, nagging housewife to next big BBC thing in box-ticking advocacy. She’ll go far.
No get out clauses here as it is the programme’s official BBC account. No doubt the BBC mantra of ‘retweeting should not be seen as an endorsement’ applies. Don’t try using that one in a libel case, folks – you’ll lose.
Can’t wait for a ‘BBC spokesperson’ to be wheeled out to explain they don’t have to explain that one for reasons of… journalism?
Seems they may have been tempted a bit too far past the limits of #1degreeofseparation proxy advocacy in guise of journalism by trying to pass off what others say or write that they agree with as reporting.
tomoDec 23, 23:23 Start the Christmas Week 23rd December 2024 Sadly there is no Steve Pineless MP but it does ring true…. [img]https://i.ibb.co/tcR1PYd/vlc-in-YPOi-Tmqh.png[/img]
tomoDec 23, 22:57 Start the Christmas Week 23rd December 2024 I’ll keep retelling the 2009 Miliband+Mandelson tale…. – where India cut short Miliband’s visit and actually wouldn’t allow Mandelson to…
Eddy BoothDec 23, 22:47 Start the Christmas Week 23rd December 2024 “The TV highlights to look out for over Christmas” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewxjqn5vpeo I don’t know about you , but I’m regretting not…
tomoDec 23, 22:46 Start the Christmas Week 23rd December 2024 OK, it’s Germany and TikTok but the BBC is up to its armpits in gaming ‘news’ like this …. [img]https://i.ibb.co/yRhJQrW/Screenshot-2024-12-23-22-41-14-67-0b2fce7a16bf2b728d6ffa28c8d60efb.jpg[/img]
Freedom House have released their latest ‘Freedom in the World’ publication, the standard-setting comparative assessment of global political rights and civil liberties. Published annually since 1972, the survey ratings and narrative reports on 195 countries and 14 related and disputed territories are used by policymakers, the media, international corporations, civic activists, and human rights defenders to monitor trends in democracy and track improvements and setbacks in freedom worldwide.
Will we see this survey reported on the BBC? I doubt it as the only country classified as ‘Free’ in the Middle East or North Africa is Israel. Now reporting that really would ruin the narrative.
More here
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25880727
“The opposition and most Western governments want Assad to step down from office as a condition for peace.
US Secretary of State John Kerry has called Mr Assad “a one-man super-magnet for terrorism”.
errr yeah! … right?
The BBC brings the good news that the terrorists … I mean
national opposition in Syria will acquiesce to talks. so that the jihadists … I mean national opposition, can get busy
organising sharia … I mean democracy.
I mean now that J Kerry, has decided that the Assad Government is toast, despite consistent warnings about escalating jihadi violence, being far, far worse … and recent news that far in excess of 50% of the population wouldn t
touch this “opposition” with a bargepole.
I mean seriously, what? … WHAT? could go wrong đ
I ve listened in driving back … the BBC s absurd bias is stomach churning
.
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So let me get this straight, muslim terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, bad, while muslim terrorists in Libya and Syria, good !! sounds a bit Irish.
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Not Irish but liberalism at it’s most absurd. They really are something else.
Thought replaced by empathy.
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@ noggin:
Agreed. After all, âregimeâ change worked so well in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Such wonderfully safe countries these daysâŚ
What is staggering is the openness with which they admit that the stated aim of the Geneva 2 talks is âregimeâ change! May I suggest âregimeâ change in those paragons of democracy, America and the UK?
Interesting how the democracy the citizens of those countries enjoy is rapidly starting to resemble the âdemocracyâ they delivered to the Middle East. As Orwell said: ââŚIf you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face â foreverâŚâ
I especially love how the torture photos conveniently came to light just in time for the Geneva âtalksâ. Iâm sure said talks will make no mention of the beheading and cannibalism carried out by the Al-Qaeda associated ârebelsâ. Instead they will provide the casus belli for another crack at warâŚI meanâŚinvasionâŚI mean regime changeâŚI mean humanitarian efforts and delivering freedom and democracy.
Itâs propaganda. Pure and simple. A lot like the mock-up of a Syrian refugee camp at Davos this year:
http://www.businessinsider.com/davos-elite-paid-to-be-refugees-2014-1
I wonderâŚdo they also have a model of a Western-backed Al-Qaeda associated Syrian ârebelâ camp?
The US/Saudi/Israeli proxy war with Iran/Russia was averted by massive anti-war sentiment on social media but they just canât let it go can they?
I actually had a little tete-a-tete on the BBC Facebook page recently (with somebody called âScamp Bellâ who I am convinced is either a bot or a shill as he always pops up to defend the BBC) about the BBCâs pejorative use of the word âregimeâ when describing the Syrian government attending the talks.
The BBC only seems to apply the word âregimeâ to the âbaddiesâ. Such an impartial news organisation! Whatever happened to reporting in a non-partisan fashion, without making judgement, even if it is only with their choice of language. Absolutely nothing stops them saying âgovernmentâ. Pathetic.
It is not legitimate usage of the word as it implies a side has been taken by the supposedly impartial BBC. Their other favourite is âstate broadcasterâ which they use for the news organisations of governments they have impartially cast judgement on.
There is however always an outcry when such terms are used for the BBC, no matter how legitimate the claim. Face it, the BBC is as partisan on plenty of issues as Boris Johnson is. At least Boris does not pretend to be otherwise.
It is however quite cute how so many believe the puppet on the left is entirely separate from the puppet on the right. Obamaâs second term is effectively a fourth term for Bush for example. Apart from the face there has been little to no discernible difference between the policies of the two. The incumbent UK Conservative government is almost indistinguishable from Blairâs Labour government.
I could go onâŚnow back to CarneyâŚ
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Best place to start in such situations is with a dictionairy:
Regime:
a government, especially an authoritarian one.
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Quite agree. What does your dictionary say about a levy enforced by the state on people who have a TV ?
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Ask Tony Soprano or Charles Ponzi.
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Wrong a regime is a government disliked by the left .
North Korea has a government âŚBurma has a regime !!
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Though, in the case of ‘New’ Labour the word ‘junta’ is more appropriate.
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Am I the only one that finds Mark ‘Ferret Features’ Carney deeply, deeply untrustworthy?
Is anybody buying his ‘forward guidance’ that seems to be anything but guidance and changes with the wind?
The rather strong rumour out in the alternative media lasy year was that Carney was only persuaded to take the BOE job after being given an assurance that he would be appointed PM of Canada in the not-to-distant future.
Now scoff all you want but given he is an ex-Goldman Sachs employee should give you pause for thought. See the links below to charts linking GS to high ranking appointments in:
US government: http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Federal-Government-Corporation-Overlaps-Goldman-Sachs.gif
Eurozone: http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article6264098.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/Pg-12-eurozone-graphic.jpg
I mean the guy’s name is Carney….CARNY! Is this not evidence enough of the joke?
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This is the Biased BBC web site
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You are correct.
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When we want your permission on what to comment on Debs sweetie, we’ll ask ok?
Until then…..
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Why are you having a go at Deborah our Welsh friend? She ain’t no troll!
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Nevertheless my views stand.
No-one needs permission.
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Goldman Sachs is Labour’s favourite investment bank. it also appears to be one of the most crooked, which is ironic.
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Interesting use of the word ironic
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@ noggin:
Agreed. After all, ‘regime’ change worked so well in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Such wonderfully safe countries these days…
What is staggering is the openness with which they admit that the stated aim of the Geneva 2 talks is ‘regime’ change! May I suggest ‘regime’ change in those paragons of democracy, America and the UK?
Interesting how the democracy the citizens of those countries enjoy is rapidly starting to resemble the ‘democracy’ they delivered to the Middle East. As Orwell said: “…If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever…”
I especially love how the torture photos conveniently came to light just in time for the Geneva ‘talks’. I’m sure said talks will make no mention of the beheading and cannibalism carried out by the Al-Qaeda associated ‘rebels’. Instead they will provide the casus belli for another crack at war…I mean…invasion…I mean regime change…I mean humanitarian efforts and delivering freedom and democracy.
It’s propaganda. Pure and simple. A lot like the mock-up of a Syrian refugee camp at Davos this year:
http://www.businessinsider.com/davos-elite-paid-to-be-refugees-2014-1
I wonder…do they also have a model of a Western-backed Al-Qaeda associated Syrian ‘rebel’ camp?
The US/Saudi/Israeli proxy war with Iran/Russia was averted by massive anti-war sentiment on social media but they just can’t let it go can they?
I actually had a little tete-a-tete on the BBC Facebook page recently (with somebody called ‘Scamp Bell’ who I am convinced is either a bot or a shill as he always pops up to defend the BBC) about the BBC’s pejorative use of the word ‘regime’ when describing the Syrian government attending the talks.
The BBC only seems to apply the word ‘regime’ to the ‘baddies’. Such an impartial news organisation! Whatever happened to reporting in a non-partisan fashion, without making judgement, even if it is only with their choice of language. Absolutely nothing stops them saying ‘government’. Pathetic.
It is not legitimate usage of the word as it implies a side has been taken by the supposedly impartial BBC. Their other favourite is ‘state broadcaster’ which they use for the news organisations of governments they have impartially cast judgement on.
There is however always an outcry when such terms are used for the BBC, no matter how legitimate the claim. Face it, the BBC is as partisan on plenty of issues as Boris Johnson is. At least Boris does not pretend to be otherwise.
It is however quite cute how so many believe the puppet on the left is entirely separate from the puppet on the right. Obama’s second term is effectively a fourth term for Bush for example. Apart from the face there has been little to no discernible difference between the policies of the two. The incumbent UK Conservative government is almost indistinguishable from Blair’s Labour government.
I could go on…now back to Carney…
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Just listened to “Last Words” about Chris Chataway. The presenter seemed surprised that a capitalist could have an enlightened view of race, but in this he was “much more liberal than his right-wing colleagues”. As usual, it’s a case of “right wing bad, left wing good”. Don’t these people know anything about this country’s history? Even a site like this, http://www.unionhistory.info/britainatwork/narrativedisplay.php?type=raceandtradeunions
which is the Union Makes Us Strong website, acknowledges that racism existed throughout society. The left wing cannot claim to have an unsullied record. Too nuanced for BBC pillock, I suppose.
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The corporate and state media are too busy perpetuating their own established narratives and creating memes to bother with nuance or the whole truth.
For example it was not the Democrats but rather the Klu Klux Klan that initiated gun control. Granted it was to suit their own ends but nonetheless you won’t hear that on the BBC or CNN…
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http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control
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When I heard on the BBC radio headlines of his death, they said nice things about him and that he was a politician, but they never said for which party. I assumed he was a Conservative for that reason. Looks like the BBC has now settled on the line to take being ‘he was a nice person and so not your typical Conservative at all.’
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Look at pre-Great War Labour and their manifesto.
Fast-forward a century to the BNP.
Compare and contrast.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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And of course the Republicans were the anti-slavery party, the Dems being pro. Never read that on the BBC for some reason.
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EGYPT.
Yes, give it to us kafirs straight, Sally Nabil, of INBBC Arabic, Cairo.
Tell us more tales about ‘militants’:-
“Egypt militants step up campaign with Cairo blasts”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25874370
‘Jihad Watch’:-
“Egypt: Islamic jihadists target Egyptian police with bombs and gunfire, murder five, wound 70”
By Robert Spencer.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/egypt-islamic-jihadists-murder-five-wound-90-with-three-bombs-one-at-cairo-police-headquarters/
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Surprised they weren’t just called ‘protestors’…
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theyre called “activists” now. “Protesters” may make sheeple think negatively about them
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Good old Orla Guerin was there last night saying that the Egyptian “unpleasantness” thus far was not to be pinned to The Muslim Brotherhood or Al Queda…no sirree!
Todays bombs seem to undermine her, but she`ll still be paid to peddle her glossing over of anything Islamic.
That`s what she`s paid to do-been doing it for years.
Some prophet eh , re her not being able to link bombs today with the MB…the Pakistanis might want to check er credentials as a “prophet”.
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Fact for you – Orla was once a candidate for a party in the Republic of Ireland. Anybody want to have a wild guess as to which party? Full marks and a gold star if you said the Irish Labour Party!
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Nobody does misery better than Orla Guerin.
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Though Feargall ‘Oh Good Is That A Palestinian Hospital’ Keane runs her close.
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Fergal Keane is a professional awards chaser, Orla Guerin is is just professionally pessimistic.
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And FK suddenly” turned up “at Dale Farm ,when those pikey`s or traveller`s ,who had Irish accents were evicted .A deliberate tactic by al bbc, & so predictable .
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Personally, I’d have said ‘ghoulish’ rather than merely pessimistic.
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Her demeanour makes her an unlikely addition to the chuckle brothers.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25879302
Got to love how the comments have once again been twisted to look like the “UKIP are all racists/their voters have the lowest IQs because a small survey said so once and therefore you must be thick if you support anything they say” intellectual laziness has more backing than it actually does. Of course, there are times when right-wing commenters skew HYS to make it unrepresentative as well but it’s never as transparent as this. The reason I know for a fact that this was a deliberate move is that less than an hour ago ten of the top 20 comments were either in support of Farage or at the very least were saying “all parties are untrustworhy.” Now, it’s a totally different landscape – not just slightly changed, but utterly lop-sided to promote the leftist agenda.
Perhaps it’s time some of us redressed the balance a bit.
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And it’s a ‘fact’ that Asians have higher IQs than Europeans who have highter IQs than Africans ergo we should all see how the Asians are going to vote and follow the.
IQ test scores are very good at telling you your score in an IQ test. Beyond that handle with care.
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flexdream
Its actually Far Easterners who have higher average IQs, not South Asians, who are slightly lower than Europeans, on avaerage
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“Its actually Far Easterners who have higher average IQs”
So do Ashkenazi Jews. Might explain all those Nobel prizes.
Expect a BBC documentary any time soon.
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I’m old school, to me ‘Asians’ means Orientals as in SE Asia, China, Japan.
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Funny that you are silent on Farage wanting to lift gun controls.
Is that how you intend to redress the balance?
Twat
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More detail would be nice.
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‘More detail would be nice’
Duly, kindly, provided by Dave s, providing crucial context.
Funny how the original seemed more BBC competence in nature and, of course, blew back.
Very silly.
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I thought Farage pointed out that the draconian gun controls were a kneejerk reaction to the Dunblane massacre and primarily aimed at the law abiding gun owner.
The bad boys in the cities seem to have no problem getting hold of guns.
Redressing the balance might entail very harsh penalties on illegal guns and the use thereof.
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Tony Blair put a D notice for 100 years on the Dunblane massacre, I wonder what they’ve got to hide, George Robertson the local labour mp, a incompetent buffoon was fast tracked into the job of NATO sectary !! Hmm….
http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/
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Anyone seen the police report? No, and i doubt you will. The stupid cops up there were warned many times by his gun club of his behaviour, his out of date license, his guns at home etc…..action? Nothing…….nothing…..assholes…..kids dead…..blanket ban by dumb CPOs.
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”The stupid cops.”
Or you could say that the police, George Robertson who gave a glowing reference to Thomas Hamilton, Lord Cullen, Gordon Brown are all free masons.
http://www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
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A D notice is a defence notice, I don’t think it could be used for something like that.
There doesn’t seem to be any evidence provided.
It also seems the author is a bit of a nut job?
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Sorry, KingStupid, I don’t humour trolls.
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Best not to feed trolls.
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Tut tut, more Leftist lies. What Farage proposed was an eminently sensible return to the pre-Dunblane situation. In other words similar to the situation in so many countries in your no doubt beloved EU.
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It is fair to point out that Lord Cullen did not recommend that handguns be banned. The Conservatives were panicked into banning all but .22 pistols in the belief that would help their electoral prospects in Scotland. They were wiped out anyway, and NuLabor then banned the .22 pistols as well. Obviously, ending the lawful ownership of handguns had no effect on criminality, but that was never the point. Nigel Farage is making a perfectly decent and reasonable point, and the fact he is being attacked by rotters such as Keith Vaz is only to his credit.
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Heard this racist bias on R4 6.00pm news. The news mentioned a bogus bus crash, they named the driver but not the ring leaders, I wonder why? Read the yorkshire post it soon becomes clear.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/eight-years-for-sheffield-crooks-who-staged-crash-for-cash-with-12-ton-bus-1-6395581
The bBC are racist as they are trying to portray the whites are crooked and ethnics are honest, by deliberately leaving out very pertinent facts about the ring leaders.
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Didn’t mention that Corrie Star Roche was white. Racissstttt!!!!!
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Everybody knows he’s white.
Oh – ‘King Stupid’. I get it.
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Go back and try again when you’ve learned what subtlety is, cunt.
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Corrie star Roache who hasn’t been convicted of anything yet? Are you implying he’s guilty KingStupid? Libel is quite a serious crime you know.
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Radio 4 only reported the name of the bus driver (who had an English name) but no mention of the larger group of Asians involved. Listeners were missled and given the impression that no minorities were involved. The BBC has spent all it’s credibility and can no longer be trusted.
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Just to emphasise the point, the ringleaders were Asian, the bus driver, the ONLY one with an English name was just an accomplice.
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Yes R4 report deliberately misled listeners , The bus driver was not at the centre of the story. They also somehow found and interviewed an unnamed female, English sounding bus passenger, this further obscured the true facts. How can the BBC get away with this ?
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BBC radio 4 More or less pushing the âimmigrants contribute more to society than they take outâ line. However what they donât make clear is whether they are including âmigrantsâ into account as well as immigrants and of course there is no differentiation of countries of origins.
Neither is there any mention of time in the UK as immigrants are not permitted to claim benefits for the first two years (unlike migrants) if only the first two years of immigration is taken then itâs a given that they will contribute more than they take.
Just another example of a program which used to be non political attempting to explain statistics turning into a totally biased version and using itâs subject matter in a twisted way to present a conclusion which has been decided in advance.
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The Lords report on migrants is rarely mentioned because they concluded merely on a ÂŁ per head/GDP that they had virtually no effect. Thus the GDP went up only because there is a larger population This does not include the negative social effects of a large influx of migrants.
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Or the fact that total GDP is meaningless in terms of our living standards. Its GDP per head that counts.
And of course the Lords report was a very simplistic tax v. benefits balance, it didnt count the strain and costs to the infrastructure of all the extra people.
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We are going to increase the population due to immigration . The infrastructure for the increased population has to be built NOW . The costs for the new infrastructure has to be paid for NOW .
Have the new arrivals already paid their costs ?
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Funny most of the new immigrants work and pay tax.
Do you?
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What do you mean ‘new’?
You sound like an old immigrantophobic. Isn’t that a hate crime?
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I have made it clear that any discussion concerning immigation that concentrates on the money aspect at the expense of the social impact upon a settled society is bogus. It is the only argument the liberal left have and is becoming irrelevant as the balkanisation of our country continues.
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Missing the point deliberately aren’t you King Stupid .
Please explain how an immigrant can pay his way in his first week , month , year , decade , lifetime . Has he brought trunkfuls of cash with him as he lands here .?
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How about NOT?
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I heard that too. Most of it was fair in that they did admit that non EU migrants are a drain, taking substantially more than they put in.
The bias lay in their unfavourable comparison of ethnic Brits with Eastern Europeans. As Britains *newest* ethnic groups Eastern Europeans are particularly young and are still barely over the ‘first wave’ migration, that is young and mostly single people. It is only during the second wave, when wives and children join them, and third wave, when the bridgehead family here start importing other relatives seeking benefits, or NHS treatment, that the full cost starts to kick in. And even then it isnt truly at max until the population ages retires and becomes a burden on the state and NHS.
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European migrants contribute those from the ROW take and take a hell of a lot. Why did we ever let them in? Why do we continue to let them in? Why can’t we send em back and rid ourselves of these parasites and all the cultural problems that they bring with them. I don’t want to be enriched and i certainly don’t want to pay to be enriched.
Why won’t politicians and the BBC just accept that that is what the vast majority of British people actually think and want to happen.
We want our country back.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396005/Cash-cash-gang-filled-bus-26-fake-victims-staged-accident-car-make-bogus-compensation-claims-totalling-250-000.html
A story which you would hardly recognise as the same, the way the BBC reported it.
A gang of Pakistani Muslims criminally and fraudulently arranged a crash between a bus and a car, and filled the bus with 26 people who knew it was going to crash.
Here are some of the names (although the BBC never made mention of them.
Mohammed Gulzar
Shoaib Nawaz
Nisar Hussain,
Liam Howden,
Javed Khan
Saeeda Ali Bi
Sami Selam,
Kiran Shaheen
Seven others had already admitted conspiracy to defraud before the trial. They will all be sentenced later, while three others were cleared.
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But guess who the BBC chose to name!
Adam Herbert-the pliant bus driver!
But of course Beeb….just imagine if we all knew that this is a Muslim scam…aand that as soon as we got whiteys name alone-we all KNEW it would be a scam as devised by those men who enrich us all…well that`s one word for screwing white female flotsam.
Maybe Savile was a Muslim at heart!
Only surprise that this one hopped the Pennines…this is a Scouse speciality from way back!
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More from those ‘ men ‘ !!
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ITMA
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For INBBC: a wonderful Muslim asylum seeker?:-
“Frankfurt killings: Two die at state court building”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25877200
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We need more of this cultural enrichment here in the UK.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
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“Half a million Brits could be dodging TV licence fee by watching shows on BBC iPlayer”
Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/bbc-iplayer-viewers-could-dodging-3058040#ixzz2rLTaMhU2
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good! … time to scrap it is long overdue
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It’s not ‘dodging’ the licence. Nor is it a ‘loophole’. It’s perfectly legitimate and I’ve been doing this for years. I never watch live TV on the iplayer.
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OT – but – Thought this was a new script for “citizen khan”
as just as with all things BBC, the laughs are all unintentional, sadly one can assume this guy is serious.?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-considine/what-studying-muhammad-ta_b_4625981.html?utm_hp_ref=religion
being Moh sure is like “romping through the daisies”
Aquil … get this guy on BBC pronto
Robert Spencer hasn t missed the irony…
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/huffington-post-muhammads-beliefs-on-how-to-treat-religious-minorities-make-him-a-universal-champion-of-human-rights/
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Craig Considine. Ph.D. candidate, Trinity College Dublin; Film director, ‘Journey into America’; Interfaith activist
typical self deluding title … interfaith activist? … (shakes head) …
and … if I hear another exponent of pretentious and airheaded leftwing prickery bleat … THE prophet
… there are no words
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There are no words. In most of your sentences. Keyboard playing up? Or are you completely senile.
Just askin.
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Keep living up to your name, me old mucker.
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dear dear! … hit a nerve đ
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KingStupid, haiku is supposed to have 5-7-5 format.
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Interfaith outreach: Muslim mob storms church, beats visiting preacher
http://morningstarnews.org/2014/01/muslim-extremists-attack-visiting-preacher-on-tanzanias-zanzibar-island/
Interfaith outreach Nigeria: Muslims attack Christians at Sunday worship, murdering at least fifteen people
http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=7ec6d7eb2533a90581f839110&id=f6b8d6cb4c&e=668afb64c3
… The Pak: Islamic supremacists murder three more polio workers
… Muslim cleric arrested for role in sparking murders of polio workers
… Syria: Muslims see cross hanging from Christianâs neck, immediately behead him etc etc etc
KS … Baby … are you in the wrong place?, get yourself over there son, they could do with your help.
(maybe your moniker should be
king very very VERY stupid~)
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‘Muhammad’s beliefs on how to treat religious minorities make him a universal champion of human rights, particularly as it pertains to freedom of conscience, freedom of worship, and the right for minorities to have protection during times of strife.’
Maybe our intrepid ‘interfaith activist’ needs to bone up on how Mr Muhammed and his followers spread Islam across the Middle East and beyond from the 7th century onwards. He’s either ignorant or disingenuous in the extreme.
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Why did you use the past tense ‘spread’?
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Can we club together and get Mr Considine a one wat ticket to the Caliphate? Al-Quaida are renowned for their embracing of alternative viewpoints and cultures, as anyone who has studied Islam as much as Mr. C will know. The rest of us are just cynical, racist Islamophobes.
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2 reasons you should not vote for the labour or liberal party at the next election no 1=tonight these snides have shown contempt for us voters and have both blocked any chance of us voting in a referendum choosing whether we want to stay in the eu or not.no 2= next wednesday ed miilband and nick clegg are laying down a early day motion in parliament and are blackmailing the conservatives to join in a vote to accept syrian refugees into this country,mengies campbell former leader of the liberal party wants for starters for us to accept 30,000 syrian refugees and resettle them in england but of course not in fife in scotland where he lives up there in the highlands,if this vote is passed in parliament on wednseday it will just open up the gates of hell from syria for them refugees to import this war onto the streets of england,the people to blame for this will be ed miilband of the leader of the labour party and nick clegg the leader of the liberal party.they are both a discrace and they make me sick.
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And who would decide which Syrians were the most deserving? How would it be reported on the BBC if some of them turned out to be Islamists?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-25885766
unusual to see this headlining on the BBC but then I guess there’s a clash of ‘isms’
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Best ignore the troll.
Then he’ll go away.
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Oh I dont know I quite enjoy them. Shame that the latest batch have been below snuff though,no staying power. I’m quite missing we willy winki and C.T.C.
We’ve not had a tin foil jew hater for a while either (though that I havnt missed)
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It’s another rebranded same old same old.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25876080
The BBC continues to dominate terrestrial television, with 58 of the top 100 most watched shows broadcast in 2013 – according to industry figures.
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This is a bBC article, surely total viewing hours per year would be an accurate indicator of popularity. For instance the item with the most viewers, Londons fireworks, only lasts 15 minutes.
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It is over the year, and the figures were released by Barb, which collects the data, which is stated in the article.
Get back in your bunker.
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Very unhealthy state of affairs. Quite agree.
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If the BBC is that popular, a subscription service should be viable, shouldn’t it?
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“You’ve messed with the wrong Muslims, we’re going to kill you.”
Gosh, I wonder how this report got past BBC/NUJ censors?
“The family clearly worked together to plan this despicable offence that was guided by their feelings of misguided honour.”
Goodness me! This really is a BBC news report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-25885766
‘Several members of a family who attempted to kidnap their sister’s gay partner have been jailed.’
Oh, now I see. The gay/muslim civil war has kicked off at BBC central. It was only a matter of time.
We shall surrender to them in the high streets, on public tranport and at the airports. We shall fight with waning confidence and diminishing strength over the airwaves – but when they come for the gays – we shall never surrender!
Handbags and Burkas at dawn.
Muslims, you messed with the wrong national broadcaster, they are going to slap you.
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” Muslims, you messed with the wrong national broadcaster, they are going to slap you.”
Oh no they won’t.
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“but when they come for the gays”
We’ll hand them over faster than you can say Vidkun Quisling.
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Oh yes they will!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-25885078
Benefits stopped ‘to meet targets’, PCS union claims
To be honest I’ve seen some of the spurious excuses given for stopping someone’s benefits and I know that the PCS are probably right when the PCS says that peoples benefits are being stopped to meet targets.
I’m sure that this is being done to save a small amount of money, but more so to make it apparent to the media that unemployment is falling when it is much higher than they are presenting it.
I don’t like being lied to whether it comes from the left wing BBC or the Tory party, and I’ll do what ever I can to get to the truth.
So where’s the bias in this piece?
“Mr Elliot said staff were being forced to carry out “politically motivated” objectives.”
Strange but I didn’t see the BBC complaining or reporting the politicisation of the whole of the civil service during the BLiar years, yet a Union squeaks about one aspect of policy, and the BBC make it headline news.
It doesn’t matter that the reporting is accurate, and that the Tories are doing something immoral if the excesses of the other side are not reported at all.
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Dateline London today:
1)Le Monde journalist (leftwing paper)
2)NYT journalist (take your pick)
3)That grumpy ME bloke who always opposed the Iraq war
4) Caucassian woman who writes for “The China dialogue.”
The discussion started with French man using the phrase “cost of living crisis” (I wonder where he picked that up from?) and generally being negative about Britain today.
How would he know how the average Jo on the British streets feels like? Dateline London collects a group of people who are about as far removed from the average Brit as possible and then allows them to talk as “experts” on Britain (amongst other issues). It’s almost like a fair representation of the EU.
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‘How would he know how the average Jo on the British streets feels like?’
Maybe, in addition to his reporting role, he’s also running the local pâtisserie whilst scooting about in his 2CV as adjoint au maire du village?
That seems to score highly on the BBC’s speaking for the nation ‘average’ charts these days.
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I just watched that, I noticed that while Le Monde guy was happy to disparage the UK economy as not as strong as the rest of the EU (really?) when the question came to who should take in Syrian refuges , he stated that as the US and UK economy was so so strong , those two should take them in.
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Woke up this morning to the “news headlines from Radio 4
1. Britons in Syria-oh what shall we do?
I did wonder where the EDL had gone, and it has been quiet at the pie and mash place near Millwall…
Britons eh?…wouldn`t be jihadis would they?…let`s call them English shall we seeing as that offends the BBC…cockney vultures all!
2. Only one more hour until Ed Balls makes a speech.
Last night there were BBC 24 types waning the goss on what it might contain-the great helmsman HAD been quiet with all that good news, but he plays the long game. The Twitter traffick was cited by Newsnights Friday poppet( the senior staff all back in Bourton on the Water for weekend revelries with Tristram back from Wellington…huzzah!
3. Dole cheating fatties and mental basket weavers are rumbled, and finally have to prove that they`re not fit to work.
. That Tory trap of pushing fat, lazy dole wallahs out of a blagged mobility scooter as the BBC wander by seems to be working…the taxpayer is saving something.
But from the tone of the newsreader-we need all hang our heads in shame, or at least hang a toff with a black tie!
Heard these three headlines-was glad the BBC have given up the ghost of brains or engaging with me…and went gaily over to dear Brian Matthew!
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Woke up this morning to the “news headlines from Radio 4
1. Britons in Syria-oh what shall we do?
I did wonder where the EDL had gone, and it has been quiet at the pie and mash place near Millwall…
Britons eh?…wouldn`t be jihadis would they?…let`s call them English shall we seeing as that offends the BBC…cockney vultures all!
2. Only one more hour until Ed Balls makes a speech.
Last night there were BBC 24 types waning the goss on what it might contain-the great helmsman HAD been quiet with all that good news, but he plays the long game. The Twitter traffick was cited by Newsnights Friday poppet( the senior staff all back in Bourton on the Water for weekend revelries with Tristram back from Wellington…huzzah!
3. Dole cheating fatties and mental basket weavers are rumbled, and finally have to prove that they`re not fit to work.
. That Tory trap of pushing fat, lazy dole wallahs out of a blagged mobility scooter as the BBC wander by seems to be working…the taxpayer is saving something.
But from the tone of the newsreader-we need all hang our heads in shame, or at least hang a toff with a black tie!
Heard these three headlines-was glad the BBC have given up the ghost of brains or engaging with me…and went gaily over to dear Brian Matthew!
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The top news story in the world just now is, apparently, that Labour will reintroduce the 50p tax rate. Comments are allowed and I’m pleased to advise that Balls and the BBC are getting hammered.
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This is really Balls’ last throw of the dice. If Labour doesn’t get into power in 2015 then Balls will be toast.
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I have been abroad for a few days, returned to hear the Today programme this morning droning on about how the poor damn Muslims in the UK are marginalised, oppressed, it is all our fault their young nutters go off to Syria.
Hold on there ! They deliberately ghettoise themselves, separate themselves, avoid assimilation, listen to radical preachers and websites, give tacit or real financial support to terrorism, fail to crack down on their young nutters.
And then claim victim status at every turn.
If it is that bad here, why do they still try to flood in, legally or illegally ? it is high time we stopped any more coming. It is not racist to say that a whole bunch of them represent a dangerous alien wedge.
Why add to the social problems they are causing ? Enough is enough. Yet the gross immigration figures suggest there are still 200,000 or more Muslims entering every year. Some may be “temporary” – but we know that is BS. We’ve had a bellyful of their “cultural enrichment”.
I just hope the May elections blow the lid on all this. Why do we want to be handling all the problems of the Middle East and the wider Muslim world – it all adds up to a global basket-case :
http://www.danielpipes.org/13977/sick-middle-east
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Welcome back to Bedlam!
All those “young Britons” going off to study desert flora in the Gulf may well now know of the Sheffield scam where 26 Muslims claimed for whiplash after a preplanned shunt of daddys old Maestro by a bus.
The insurance claims were spotted as fakes…unlike those postal votes for Clegg and Blunkett.
What`s the betting now that all these jihadis will be claiming for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder when they come home?..and wh
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Welcome back to Bedlam!
All those “young Britons” going off to study desert flora in the Gulf may well now know of the Sheffield scam where 26 Muslims claimed for whiplash after a preplanned shunt of daddys old Maestro by a bus.
The insurance claims were spotted as fakes…unlike those postal votes for Clegg and Blunkett.
What`s the betting now that all these jihadis will be claiming for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder when they come home?..and whats the betting that the BBC will bring on a Shiner or a Shami to tell us that the Woolwich butchers of Lee Rigby might do well to claim the same…and Matrix/EU pondweeds will assist with their enquiries.
Welcome to Bedlam.
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Totally agree with you.
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Dead right-in the Syrian bitchslap we ought to be simply funding the loser until we flip flop back…Judeo-Christian taqqiya.
Take the Syrian Christians and atheists only…keep the Mozzies in the ring until Saudi and Iran smarm each other to a standstill…they rarely do the fighting themselves, but love those proxies of theirs.
Let THEM take the f***in refugees-they`ve got all that oil, plenty money to build sandcastles, plenty room…and aren`t they supposed to be famous for that famed “Arab/desert hospitality”.
The donations to the Green Cross or ANY humanitarian show them not to care too much about their so-called umma…their blood donations, organ donations even are laughable…they`d rather eat them on some fringes of Islamic lovingniceness.
If we take in any Syrian Christians and atheists…swap them ten for one for the jihadis, the Anjems and the like…and until we see a church in Riyadh and a synagogue in Islamabd…they can eat sand, and suck the bones of T.E Lawrence or the Camel Corps cretins of Meejastan…BBC and Guardian types especially
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One of your best Chris.
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‘One of your best ‘
As was John’s.
Early days still, mind.
Better yet to come, one is sure.
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” Yet the gross immigration figures suggest there are still 200,000 or more Muslims entering every year. ”
Dont worry, Dopey David Cameron is promising to reduce it to tens of thousands. Up to now he’s done sweet FA about it.
Vote UKIP
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I heard the trailer for this so decided to give the main item a big miss.
‘Disenfranchised young British Muslims going to fight in Syria’ was enough to get the blood pressure well beyond safe levels, without listening to more BBC-sponsored excuses for these alien scum of the earth who choose to dwell in our midst with their primitive, third world, barbaric attitude to humanity.
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Why are the disenfranchised ? Who took away their vote ?
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Probl cuz some fuzzy wuzzy stole their votes to sell on in a postal vote scam?
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I’m really sorry I’ve disenfranchised you, Mohammed. Please don’t blow me up in my own country. I promise to respect Sharia and give you lots more of my tax money.
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NOT
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Also sorry for educating my daughters, and letting my wife walk around wearing a skirt.
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What happened to the BBC’s decision to start discussing “the truth about immigration”? Oh, that’s right, they never decided to do that. They just allowed their tame Young Conservative to do a documentary pretending to open up that discussion, so they could tick the box and go back to business as usual.
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How the bbC rewrites History:
Doodlebugs ‘diverted’ to Kent and Sussex to save London
Professor Eric Grove from Liverpool Hope University says there is evidence the British government was prepared to sacrifice lives in the countryside to avoid heavier casualties in London.
Oh dear the nasty British government was prepared to sacrifice peoples lives in rural areas during the latter part of WW2, and they did this by reporting that V1 bombs had landed further west than they actually did. Pity those poor people in the fields of Kent who had to take the brunt of the peaceful NAZIS, blame them bBC rather than the British government. Funny enough the example they give of one crashing into a school killing 22 children was shot down and then bounced off a tree into the school. Pure bad luck nothing to do with the British government.
The bBC, the traitors within our midst.
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We all knew this as part of the history of WW2. God knows what tripe the BBC will serve up about WW1. I am already uping the dose of my blood pressure pills.
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Just seen an advert for WW1 on the beeb, apparently black men were captured, chained up and taken from their homes in Africa to fight for the white man in Europe.
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It is reliably reported that the BBC used to get the network of ‘turned’ spies – via the 20 committee to report the time of blasts that fell short with the location of blasts that fell long, thus persuading the Germans to reduce the average range of Vergeltungswaffe 1 rockets – undoubtedly saving large numbers in the densely populated London area and causing damage to the relatively unpopulated Kent regions.
Given that the Government (especially in the middle years of the war, had no ability to reduce the number of weapons fired, reducing the average damage per weapon seems to be the best result possible. The word ‘sacrifice’ is just the use of emotional blackmail.
Politicians and bleeding heart lefties seem to think that a war can be waged without casualties and with specific limited goals. Unfortunately the enemy doesn’t always seem to agree – hence the debacles in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.
(In case anyone doesn’t know – the 20 committee was so called because of the Latin for 20 ‘XX’ double cross.)
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In true BBC EdGuid’s semantic style, the use of ‘sacrifice’ could at a stretch be used, but in context is as facile and emotive as it is possible to imagine.
Looking at the rest, purely to create divisive heat over offering any sensible light.
Of course any diversion by definition would see some now in the firing line where others get spared.
As Arthur rightly points out it was simple military triage in the fog of war. The countryside has acres with not a soul; the city thousands in the same area. Plus while the loss of any life anywhere is tragic, a few haystacks don’t equate to what was concentrated in the capital. ‘Evidence that…’? It was clearly a choice made, if a difficult but sensible one.
To try and stir this up now in such a way is utterly despicable. Grove and his eager BBC facilitators should be utterly ashamed to try and pull a stunt like this.
I’m getting ‘This content doesn’t seem to be working’. That applies these days to nearly all BBC productions.
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Surely everyone knew that we were trying to deceive the Germans so that a lot of the rockets fell short of London ? Dramatically reducing the odds of casualties ?
And we are forced to pay the licence tax to pay for this spineless crap from the BBC?
I am hoping UKIP at least will include abolition of the tax in its manifesto. Maybe that is why the BBC is increasing its hatchet jobs on Nigel Farage ? How much did that stupid long BBC article on UKIP’s 2010 manifesto cost us ? Probably the only article that “journalist” files for the whole month.
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Herbert Morrison, the Labour Home Secretary in the wartime coalition government, opposed the policy of misleading the Germans. According to R V Jones (Most Secret War, page 533):
“it was opposed by Herbert Morrison,…… who seemed to think that the attempt to keep the aiming point short was an effort by Government officials and others in Westminster, Belgravia and Mayfair, to keep the bombs off themselves at the expense of the proletariat in south London.
“he finally ruled that it would be an interference with Providence if we were to supply the Germans with misleading information, because this might mean that some people would be killed through our action who might otherwise have survived – overlooking the fact that what we were hoping to do, while it undoubtedly might involve such cases, would also enable more to survive who might otherwise have been killed.”
Jones gave instructions that Morrison’s decision at the committee meeting was to be ignored unless it was confirmed in writing. There was no such confirmation so false information continued to be supplied to the Germans.
Of course the BBC knows all this because Jones’ book “Most Secret War” was the book of the BBC’s 1977 series of the same name.
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R V Jones’ book was a fascinating account of how we survived. One of the best books on the last war – and the TV series 35 years ago was good too.
But today’s crop of BBC creeps won’t have a clue about who he was and what he did.
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Thought experiment:
During the Battle of Britain, were the anti-aircraft guns not to be used if to shoot down the Luftwaffe plane meant it would crash-land in a heavily-occupied area of London? By thus standing down, allowing the Germans to unload their full cargo of explosives and incendiaries? Will no one think of the poor innocent lives of those killed on the ground by the falling plane– those whose Andersons weren’t up to snuff, those who couldn’t find a close-enough deep-enough Tube station?
Thought experiment #2
You are in charge, years later, of seeing to it that a repeat of all that loss of life in London is minimised to the greatest degree possible. Will no one think of those poor folks in the countryside who are being “sacrificed” on behalf of the Londoners?
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Liverpool Hope?
Won`t that be the old Poly then?…or McCartneys Music Mudhut that gives us the Zutons or E.L.O tribute acts?
Just Heseltines walking trees, who don`t even give shade-just leech off us.
You`d have thought that someone there in the seminar rooms( the bus stops in the case of Grover) would have learned something after those days of Degsy and Heffer…but no!
Learning is for girls…St Cherie and Edwina spring to mind.
Tragic waste of a great city!
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chrisH
I have no idea to what you refer.
Can you please explain.
Thank you.
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I think he is referring to the fact that Professor Grove teaches there. But Wiki suggests that Grove is a sound geezer, a decent military historian. Not your usual academic pacifist.
Here is a useful bit of stuff he dug up :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17390290
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With all due deference to who ‘we’ can often be in various hands, this seems worthy enough quoting:
‘…this document reminds historians to be very cautious about the way we are writing history’.
I get even more twitchy when ‘writing’ has a ‘re’ added by some.
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Yes, but he was at Salford then.
I wonder if his move to Liverpool Poly might have turned him a bit Laurie Taylorish?
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Unless you are able to decrypt his code, I wouldn’t bother trying. I’m told being good at cryptic crosswords helps a lot, but that ain’t my forte, so I don’t try. However, that does not diminish the validity of what he posts.
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And from a surname like this one!
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Lol, that’s a foreign language to you ChrisH I know, but a language that was here long before English.
And I’m only a learner, and will never perfect it, but I try hard. May i recommend you learn too?
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Lol!…give me the phonetic equivalent and I`ll give it a go.
Great country Wales…and learning`s what I do….maybe too much at times…, don`t mean to offend when I may well try an anagram out of it!
All the best!
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Dusk-oor kumraag.
Translates as a Welsh Language Learner.
Lives in Wales, not born there, but learning a wonderful second language.
( always wished i could do cryptic xwords…..in truth struggle with easy clues).
Pob lwc achan.
Good luck mate.
Theres another welsh learner frequenting these pages…..pwy yw e tybed?
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Sorry John!
1. Liverpool HOPE University….that surely is the old Liverpool Polytechnic…so I don`t hold too much to a lot of what they`re likely to be saying.
Polys were set up as more technical and vocational places for getting jobs, so I understand( Prof Grove may know different)
2. Paul McCartney has a “School of Performing Arts” or suchlike-the E.LO were a band in the 70s that copied the Beatles(IMHO), and the Zutons had a hit record with Valerie(and came from Liverpool)
3. The reference to Heseltines trees is a nod to his planting trees up there after the Toxteth Riots of 1981…and simply provided canopy and shade for muggers once a few YTS trainees had got a few quid at public expense.
4 Degsy=Derek Hatton…rentagob sharp-suited lefty who Kinnock had to boot out of the Labour Party for infiltration.
5=Eric Heffer, Labour Commie type who liked Marxism and revolution, but not the shyster agitprop of Degsy(see above).
6. Cherie Blair=Tonys wife and a freeloader
7. Edwina Currie=another Liverpool woman on the lam, albeit from the other side of politics.
Hope that`ll do…
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Why has the BBC got this gimmick of an announce from Liebour as their top story? Could it be that the BBC and Labour are one and the same? Pathetic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25894312
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Did Labour pay for this mornings party political broadcast on the BBC ?
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It was on Sky too. Well, half of it and then they returned to the Sky studios with the lovely Lorna.
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In other news…
http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/over-easy.html
‘It’s not clear whether or not he was on paid or unpaid leave’
Using precedent as a guide, what’s your bet?
Mind you…
http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/toby-jugged.html
‘The BBC does not condone the offensive language used by Toby in his Twitter feed which was directed at a member of BBC staff. ‘
But surely, words and who directed at are open to variable forgiveness on BBC twitter feeds? Seems less tolerance internally than when deployed at those outside, interestingly.
Still, the hideous white male count drops further, so the diversity guys’ pie charts must be looking extra yummy.
And what we would do without intra to inter-media weasel on weasel incidents?
http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/bivalves-crustaceans-and-future-of.html
I rather place the DM and the BBC at the same point with integrity in ‘reporting’, with a crucial difference that means the DM can be as politically skewed as it likes if its audience can stomach it. I still draw the line on accuracy with any medium.
In this case the incident seems consistent; the location less so.
Sounds pretty much like the Pollard, Rose, PAC and Smith reviews, if perhaps with less astounding uncuriosity.
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He won’t be a union member, so probably no pay. If WDR wants to see the BBC’s sentencing guide lines for these violations, he’ll have to wait until they actually write them down. For some time now it’s been evident that they just pull it out of their asses as needed.
I’m just wondering who noticed the naughty word directed at his boss and reported it. Despite claims, there is no regular scrutiny of BBC tweets. Lots of evidence has been documented on this blog that they simply don’t care about “personal” Twitter accounts, which is what Young’s is: no BBC logo, and he’s got the requisite “get-out-of-bias-free” disclaimer. He’s just stupid enough to have directly insulted his boss without thinking that he’d be watched for the next couple of days. If he had called George Osborne whatever he called his boss, no problem. The BBC punishes staff for that only if a complaint is filed from a member of the public. So somebody in his office was watching, he did something stupid, and paid a minimal price for it.
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Yesterday, as one hour of the BBC News Channel’s output was ending, Jane Hill one of the presenters, was announcing what was to come at the start of the next; ‘We’ll have more on the cost of living crisis’.
Labour Party mouthpiece.
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Good spot, P of E. The BBC at it’s insidious best – presenting the ‘Cost of Living Crisis’ as a fact rather than a Labour Party political ploy.
Do they do it subconsciously because they eat, drink and think Labour, or deliberately, putting two fingers up to impartiality because they are betting the farm on a Labour victory next year?
My feeling is it’s sometimes the first e.g. like when Naughtie slipped out ‘we’ve won’ following Blair’s victory in 1997, but more often than not it’s the second because the clear political bias smacks of careful co-ordination and planning at every level of their output (think ’28gate for Labour’).
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Jane Hill was out in America working on a Presidential campaign a while back, and no, funny enough it wasn’t for the Republicans. Pretty tasty for a lesbian, though, I’d have to say.
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Bedroom tax is a constant
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Right of the end of the Today programme this morning at 8.55 Mishal Hussein was giving her final round up from Davos. She introduced the piece as there had been ‘evidence of the limitations of economic prediction with the Governor of the Bank of England having to revisit what he said about unemployment only a few months ago’. We then had the interview with Ngare Woods, Professor of Global Economic Governance at Oxford and Adair Turner. When Mishal made her point (as we had heard 30 seconds before) Ngare Woods explained that this wasn’t the case. Mishal’s response was to ignore what Prof Woods said and ask Adair Turner about something else. It didn’t matter what the truth was or the knowledge of her guest, Mishal obviously knew better than Prof Woods and used her own views at the beginning of the piece.
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Radio 4 PM Sat. BBC agrees with government that Ed Balls’s income tax increase will yield almost nothing. So the Chancellor was right, it is a tax that actually has a negative impact on the total tax take. Just another instance of Labour playing to the gallery and damaging the country whilst doing it, like their announcement on the banks last week.
Will the BBC stick to that story or will it be buried once they realise what has been said.
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Over the past day the BBC seem to have been pushing for the UK to accept any number of Syrian refugees in to the UK. It’s not one program specifically it’s any number of them, and quite often repeated.
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For INBBC, the Muslim killers on tour in Syria, now demanding to return to U.K, are not Islamic Jihadists, but ‘Britons’.
“Britons returning from Syria face arrest, says police chief”
-Note wording of above INBBC headline wrongly suggests that Muslims who attempt to return from Syria where they commit violence and murder, will be arrested because they are ‘Britons’. No, they are Islamic jihadists, who see we kafirs as their enemy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25893040
‘Jihadwatch’:-
“Al-Qaeda training British, European and American jihadists in Syria to set up jihad terror cells at home.”
By Robert Spencer.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/al-qaeda-training-british-european-and-american-jihadists-in-syria-to-set-up-jihad-terror-cells-at-home/
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Well, when these liberal idiots succeed in getting these savages back on our streets, there will be more occurrences in the style of Woolwich.
Dopey Dhimmi Dave will be lined up to say, well ya know, it’s nothing to do with Islam.
All the liberals will put heads firmly in the sand, but unrest WILL ensue, believe it.
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Note Islam Not BBC (INBBC)’s censoring of this kidnapping case in Blackburn:-
Report 1), via Pamela Geller:-
“Six Muslims Abduct and Assault an English Lesbian in Blackburn Lancashire”
Read more: http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/six-muslims-abduct-assault-english-lesbian-blackburn-lancashire.html/#ixzz2rR2L0pVh
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Report 2.) INBBC:-
“Blackburn siblings jailed over gay partner kidnap plot”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-25885766
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Also, for INBBC:-
â’Sickening and Mindless’: Muslim Gang Viciously Attack English Family at Family Barbecue in Yorkshire, UK”
Read more: http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/sickening-and-mindless-muslim-gang-viciously-attack-english-family-at-family-barbecue-in-yorkshire-uk.html/#ixzz2rR3raEXy
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Although BBC-NUJ casually uses the recently Islam-invented word ‘Islamophobia’, BBC-NUJ does not use the word ‘Caucasophobia.’
“Caucasophobia â the Accepted Racism”
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2006/10/caucasophobia-accepted-racism.html
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muslim supremacism, “honour” violence and lesbian hatred apart
George … was one of these perpetrators wearing a ….
dah – dah – DAAAAAH! niquab?
(shakes head) yet another crime committed –
time for that garment to GO.
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How the bBC rewrites History yet again:
Isle of Man church service marks Manx link to Holocaust
On reading the above headline, for a moment I confused IOM with the Channel Islands, however that was quickly touched into touch as I remembered exactly where the IOM is situated. (I’ve flown over it enough times) So exactly what Link has the IOM got with the Holocaust. Actually None, however the bBC ensures you read up that thousands of Jews were interned between 1940 and 1945 and by some weird extrapolation of facts the bBC conflate the internment camps on the Isle of Man with the Nazis concentration camps. Here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you.
at the outbreak of war, German nationals were required to appear before tribunals, which classed them according to the security risk they posed. Only a tiny minority – some 600, mostly Nazi sympathisers – were placed in Category A and interned forthwith. The vast majority – over 64,000 and consisting mostly of ârefugees from Nazi oppressionâ – was placed in Category C and left at liberty. Some 6,800 people, whose cases were unclear to the tribunals, were placed in the intermediate Category B and made subject to certain restrictions.…In May 1940, the newly installed coalition government under Winston Churchill first decreed the internment of male enemy aliens between the ages of 16 and 60 living in âProtected Areasâ on the threatened sectors of the coast, then issued the notorious order to âCollar the Lotâ. Male refugees in Category B were interned, as were Category B women; the detention of male refugees in Category C, ordered in June, was under way when the policy of internment was halted the following month. This ultimately caused the internment of some 27,000 enemy aliens, including some 4,000 women, most of whom were Jews who plainly posed no security risk whatsoever.
Ok, while understandable that mirrors what the bBC reports
In a celebrated debate on 22 August 1940, as German bombs fell on the capital., public opinion had swung sharply against internment and the government had reversed its policy, issuing a White Paper in late July listing a variety of categories of internees eligible for priority release; these were widened over the following months. The release of the interned refugees proceeded reasonably speedily. The first 50 were released from the Isle of Man on 5 August 1940, though many more were detained until late 1940 or early 1941. By August 1941, only about 1,300 refugees were still interned in Britain
So between May 1940 and Aug 1940 the Uk interned over 64,000 German nations, by Aug 1941 that figure had been reduced to…1400.
The bBC the traitors within our midst
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Forgot to mention May 1940 was also when Hitler invaded the low countries and France.
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And here’s something else the bBC left out about the IOM death camps:
All internees had been transferred to Ramsey by 19 April 1941 and the camp was empty. The camp originally held 800 but since large numbers of internees had left the Island, its population had been reduced to around 200 before it was closed. The barbed wire fence around the compound was then strengthened and machine-gun emplacements erected prior to Peel becoming a camp for persons detained under Defence Regulation 18B. These included Moseley, Ramsey and Domvill who before the war called themselves fascists. Steps were also taken to close Peveril Road, which passed through the camp and also of Walpole Road. The camp initially came under the command of Major Francis. The first 20 British Fascists who had been rounded up and imprisoned at the outbreak of war, and had been in custody in various prisons on the mainland, arrived at Douglas on Friday 9 May 1941. They were followed by about another 700 on the Monday, the steamer in which they arrived on was shadowed by an armed vessel .
Gee, I wonder why the bBC left out that snippet of information.
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Here is a reply I received from the bBC regards their coverage of Mark Duggen:
Dear *********
Thanks for contacting us regarding BBC News coverage of the inquest into Mark Duggan’s death.
We understand you felt coverage of the inquest into Mark Duggan’s death has been biased.
When the jury reached a conclusion at the inquest into the killing of Mark Duggan BBC News immediately reported this; including their finding that Mark Duggan had been lawfully killed by a majority verdict of eight to two. Our reporter at the scene reported the conclusions point by point.
The News Channel and the BBC News at Six and Ten subsequently reported more key facts of the case including the Juryâs conclusion that âcrucially they decided Mark Duggan had been carrying a gun that day,â but also that it had not been in his hand when he was shot and their majority conclusion that he’d thrown the weapon away.
Matt Prodgerâs report in both bulletins outlined how:
âPolice had identified Mark Duggan as a senior member of a violent gangâ and that a further police briefing had said that heâd been arrested but never charged for possession of guns and attempted murder as well as the fact that he was being followed by police on the day he was shot.
Our online reporting of the story included an article from Matt Prodger which went into more detail on the legal argument and why the killing was deemed lawful:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25321711
We also reported how family and friends of Mark Duggan reacted furiously at the outcome of the inquest which included the angry scenes outside the Royal Courts of Justice as Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley read a statement which gave the Metropolitan Policeâs reaction to the case. The Assistant Commissioner was also later interviewed on the BBC News Channel and Newsnight to give further police reaction with Met Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe also interviewed on the news channel to give his reaction. The police perspective was also further explored in an exclusive interview with a Metropolitan Police firearms officer who had arrived on the scene minutes after the shooting. This was broadcast on all BBC outlets with the officer justifying the killing on the basis that Mark Duggan was âa threat.â
We also reported the historical context of the case, how Mark Dugganâs death in 2011 sparked a protest and then riots which spread from London to other cities across England. Mark Eastonâs report on both bulletins examined the impact the case has had on community relations in Tottenham and other parts of London and the initiatives the Metropolitan police have taken since.
All of this information featured constantly throughout our coverage and analysis of this story and the reactions of the Duggan family in particular were editorially relevant given that they continue to dispute the finding, insisting Mark Dugganâs killing amounted to an âexecution.â
The Today programme the following morning included an interview with Mark Dugganâs aunt when she was asked her to clarify the meaning of âno justice, no peace,â and the jury finding about the gun being in the car was also put to her.
Taken as a whole weâre satisfied that our coverage both reported the key facts from the case and heard a range of views and analysis in reaction to the conclusion.
We’d also like to assure you that we’ve registered your complaint on our Audience Log. This is a daily report of audience feedback thatâs made available to all BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive board, channel controllers and other senior managers.
The Audience Logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions on future BBC programmes and content.
Once again, thank you for contacting us.
Kind Regards
BBC Complaints
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform quoting any case number we provided.
So the bBC feel they reported this story in an impartial manner did they, and they wonder why they are reviled.
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‘All of this information featured constantly throughout our coverage and analysis of this story and the reactions of the Duggan family in particular were editorially relevant given that they continue to dispute the finding, insisting Mark Dugganâs killing amounted to an âexecution.â
Well the Duggan ‘family’ would, wouldn’t they?
Sometimes you wonder whether the BBC are just being gobsmackingly naĂŻve as opposed to pursuing yet another agenda.
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Ditto- I recieved the same reply -so I tried to complain about the reply- the website for bbc complaints wouldnt recognise the complaint number so I still havent managed to pursue the complaint online….
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“tried to complain about the reply- the website for bbc complaints wouldnt recognise the complaint number”
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It must be very frustrating, but keep plugging away, even at risk of being expedited (by BBC logic, you reusing their deliberately resetting to zero complaints system to pursue a complaint counts as ‘wasting their time and licence fee payer money’).
And keep sharing.
This nonsense has to be exposed every time they try it on. Which appears, literally, to be… every time.
Once people realise the BBC has no intention of ever treating any legitimate complaint seriously, and commits vast resources to purely suppressing them rather than address genuine concerns, the whole sorry lie that is founded on spun illusions of trust and transparency will crumble.
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Seems a good reply to me, but it would be interesting to see your original complaint, and if it amounted to anything more than ‘he was a gangster, he deserved it’.
You won’t be expedited for complaining that you’re not happy with the reply. In fact, you can see that you’re able to do that from the complaints site when you make your complaint.
Guest Who’s just bitter that he was expedited following his continued complaints which had no merit. (It won’t surprise to learn they had to write back most times asking what he was on about it!?!) Don’t worry Guest, I haven’t been hacking your emails, you just go on about it regularly.
I don’t know how you come to the conclusion that the complaint hasn’t been taken seriously though, when the response is quite lengthy and detailed, and you haven’t seen the original!
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Another new name (possibly the only bit that is) I do believe… welcome Azazel. Though embracing the name of a primary antagonist to forces of good on more than a few counts may seem a bit overtly honest to convince anyone you are engaging in the spirit of light as opposed to heat.
‘Seems a good reply to me..’
Interestingly ‘seems good’ is the primary foundation of most CECUTT replies. Moving on…
‘Guest Whoâs just bitter…
And here was me thinking I was a cheerful soul. Still, if you say so.
‘.. that he was expedited..”
Don’t recall saying I have been. Certainly know a few who have.
‘…following his continued complaints…
Not hard to guess I may have seen fit to chip in, but you do seem to be projecting a bit already.
‘.. which had no merit.’
Now, here, one has to ask… how do you know this?
‘(It wonât surprise to learn they had to write back most times asking what he was on about it!?!)’
That’s an extraordinary amount of detailed knowledge on what ‘they’.. ‘had’ to ‘write back about’… ‘most times’. How do you know all this?
‘Donât worry Guest, I havenât been hacking your emails, you just go on about it regularly.’
I go on about CECUTT default practices, yes. The complaints process interests me.
I don’t recall much detail of the nature you have chosen to taunt with. Where have you sourced this from?
So maybe the BBC should worry more about who on the complaints staff does seem overly obsessed about what is shared here, and who fails to resist staying sensibly silent rather than making credible the notion the BBC bears grudges and goes beyond remit in trying to pursue them outside the complaints procedure whilst making unsubstantiated accusations?
I’d go so far as suggesting (in the manner of a BBC analysis) that a nerve may well have been struck and someone’s knee jerked in a way they may come to regret professionally.
Have a nice day Azazel.
Mine has perked up considerably thanks to your written… contribution.
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BBC’s replies would seem logical to someone else who has not seen the specific complaints they are supposedly answering ., It is important to email again repeating specific points that you want a direct answer to and appeal if the answers are still not satisfactory.
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See the Beeb is trying to soften it for Hollande. They kept repeating that he had split up from his partner, I suppose First Lady doesn’t sound too good.
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Well, she’s dumped, how convenient.
Bit like Robin and Gaynor really huh beeb?
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I never did like her
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Priceless.
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“I suppose First Lady doesnât sound too good”
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deuxième ex-petite amie of course sounds much better to complement the gravitas of national statespersonship.
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Did anyone watch the Culture Show ‘special’ last night on the history of slavery, featuring film director Steve McQueen?
Given what his latest ‘acclaimed’ film was about, I suspected this history would start and end with the enslavement of black Africans in America, with a passing nod maybe to the earlier roles of the Portuguese in Brazil and the British in the Caribbean, with the only villain of the piece being racist old whitey.
I thus decided to give it a miss, but would be interested to hear from anyone who watched it if my suspicions were misplaced.
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Studies of the history of slavery of little interest to INBBC:-
1.)
“Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800”
By Robert C. Jr. Davis
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Slaves-Muslim-Masters-Mediterranean/dp/1403945519
2.)
“White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa’s One Million European Slaves ”
By Giles Milton.
3.)
“White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America”
By Don Jordan & Michael Walsh.
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Generally they are not interested, but amazingly enough it has been partially covered on the BBC History website. Just don’t wait for the movie… See http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
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Yes, that was many years ago; and the information there is not currently used to inform a general history of the British people, including enslavement.
I wonder if even Cornish schools teach about Thomas Pellow these days.
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No I didn’t, but I do know Brad Pitt is in it, does he play the slave ? of course he would have to black up, but many famous actors have got the old tin of shoe polish out and blacked up, Alec Guinness in Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Kingsley in Gandhi, Laurence Olivier and Orson Welles as Othello, Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire.
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Why did Orson Welles have to black up to play Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire ?
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If anyone has any doubts about the bBCs bias towards the Labour Party they should have a listen to the hourly Radio 2 bulletins.
At least six times in the last 24 hours (and thats just the ones I’ve heard) the first words spoken in said bulletins have
been ‘The Labour Party’….. It seems more important to news editors what Labour’s take may be on any government policy. Complete and utter bias.
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I think we have to accept that the BBC has finally abandoned even the pretence of impartiality and has decided that, as nothing is going to be done by this spineless government of faux Conservatives to clip its wings, it might just as well get on with its Gramscian mission.
A few people squawk on the Internet, the Mail gets apoplectic but the lies and distortions can be turned on full and no one is going stop them.
Sadly, I suspect the BBC might be right. Most of the people I meet have had their opinions formed and reinforced by constant exposure to the BBC’s tide of sanctimonious liberalism.
As things stand, there are probably too few of us to bring about the changes needed. Things will have to get worse before they get better. If Labour wins the next election, they surely will. Perhaps then, when the Tory party defenestrates the TINOs in revenge and turns to more UKIP-like policies, we might get somewhere.
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Tragically we may have to endure Prime Minister Milliband and all that implies before the country finally wakes up.
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There won’t be a country to wake up!
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Agreed. With electoral boundaries skewed heavily in its favour, a massive rump of Labour MPs in over-represented Scotland, a massive and continuing influx of Labour-voting immigrants and a Labour-supporting ‘national’ broadcaster which accounts for 70% of the country’s news and current affairs coverage, not to mention the leftist agenda it thrusts down licence-payers throats in virtually every aspect of its output – how could we end up with anything other than a permanent country-wrecking socialist government?
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That’s because they weren’t government policies, they were Labour policy proposals.
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Cycling home I saw those strange flights of massed starlings wheeling around the sky over the river.
Hundreds of birds that move as one.
The birds seem to have a single mind animating them. They reminded me of the liberal apologists and their hangers on.
Always predictable ,always in unison. The BBC is just like my flock of starlings. Never a thought out of place or an opinion out of order.
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And, like your Starlings, they make an infernal racket whilst crapping on anyone below them đ
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BBC-NUJ reporting Davos, and a play-acting role to get the mass entry of unlimited numbers of ‘asylum seekers’ from various Asian and African countries into UK, USA,
etc.
Report 1:-
“Davos: The rich play-act being refugees”
Posted by Ann Corcoran
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/davos-the-rich-play-act-being-refugees/
Report 2.)
BBC-NUJ uses a business journalist for the political propaganda on behalf of mass entry of ‘asylum seekers’-
“Davos 2014: The refugee experience for the wealthy”
By Anthony Reuben,
Business reporter, BBC News, Davos.
(paid for by British licencepayers.)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25859803
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A view on ‘asylum seekers’ in Germany, which Beeboids are loath to report:-
“GERMANS protest exploding influx of Muslim asylum seekers, actually economic parasites, who bring little more to Germany than Islamic supremacy, crime, rape, and ingratitude” (Aug, 2013.)
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/08/09/germans-protest-exploding-influx-of-muslim-asylum-seekers-actually-economic-parasites-who-bring-little-more-to-germany-than-islamic-supremacy-crime-rape-and-ingratitude/
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http://www.salisburyreview.com/bbc.html.
Good article from one Scott Gromark re BBC bias.
Ought to finish them, but of course it won`t.
Good to hear an insider critique the smug-self satisfied cretins.
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Well spotted chrisH – that article just confirms everything I suspected.. Let us hope the Culture Media & Sport Committee have been sent a copy for their Licence fee review.
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What is the role of the culture Media and sports committee in relation to the BBC now ? Between 2002 and 2007 Every time my local MP forwarded my complaints about the BBC to them I would get a letter back from the Chairman saying the same thing – they could do nothing as the BBC was independent. Have things changed?
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A very interesting article. Nothing will change the BBC. Or rather the BBC is incapable of changing itself. Bees do not suddenly become swallows.
I fear we will have to wait upon events. The coming of reality into our lives and even into the liberal hives.
Liberalism is an adolescent indulgence of the emotions at the expense of clear thinking.
It is a phase in our history.
The key tenets of liberalism are all well known to us. Once one is destroyed the whole lot will collapse.
Just give it time.
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Actually we can change the BBC. Post the addresses of everybody who works there, pester them, inform their neighbours they are pedophiles and send them pictures of their children through the post
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Sounds more like a short route to (deserved) incarceration, and a post more designed to offer the weekend Flokker crew (some a bit prone to deploying the unjustified all inclusive ‘we’ a lot) something to get excited about once they’ve ‘liked’ it too, coincidentally.
The BBC needs changing. This is no way to see it happen in a sensible manner.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention, chrisH. This backs up just about everything I’ve been saying.
Ratings = quality public service broadcasting.
The BBC is too poll-driven.
The bias is institutional.
It’s self-selecting due to their hiring and training standards and practices.
There’s no need for a conspiracy or memos or editorial directives from on high, because they all think the same way already.
There are only two things Grønmark gets wrong. One is that there are plenty of conservative members of the public who write complaints to the BBC. It’s just that they’re dismissed for the same reasons he suggests for their dismissal of complaints from the Right-wing press. A classic example of this is Evan Davis’s recent dismissal of a complaint tweeted by DB.
The other thing he gets wrong is that sometimes there really are conspiracies to set Corporation-wide political agendas: Warmism and multiculturalism/immigration.
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I would just like to add my thanks. A fine article – and some wise comments.
I have long thought that it is not so much conspiracy at the BBC to promote a leftist “progressive” agenda (though as David P mentions certain issues – multi culturalism, EU, Climate Change are actively promoted) rather a product of the very nature of the organisation itself.
Fill an organisation with people overwhelmingly of one mind set and what do you get? What is rather more suspect is its recruitment. Ever seen a job at the BBC advertised in the Telegraph? How Many? No, you find those jobs in The Guardian – and who reads The Guardian? Not too many people with a right of centre outlook.
The leftward march of the BBC began in the late 1950s and has continued with every decade. Leftists have found the media and arts a preferable choice to business. Better to write about it and criticise it than actually do it. I’d guess that with the reduction of the public sector in the 1980s this trend increased.
With a left wing mind set the prejudice seeps out in every corner of the BBCs output. The favouritism to Labour and the contempt of Conservative is on the surface. Yet peddling left wing bias is a lot easier in “entertainment” shows than news and current affairs.
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, when news was sort of balanced (cf 1971’s “Mr Heath’s Quiet Revolution” to “Yesterday’s Men”) drama was awash with left wing plays (Days of Hope, The Lump, The Big Flame, etc).
When they invite Mark Steel, Jeremy Hardy, Stewart Lee on to programmes they can be sure of what they get: Left wing, Daily Mail hating abuse.
It is too late to reform the BBC. The only option (and a vital first stage in rolling back “progressive” leftism in general) is to abolish the licence fee.
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The Mighty Craig of this parish a while back points out this article on his blog “Can we trust the BBC?”
To quote Father Dick Byrne of “Rugged island”…NO!
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You are right – the BBC is beyond reform.
It might surprise some of the trolls when I say that I would bitterly regret this. The BBC helped educate and inform me as a child and I think, had it not been stormed and taken by the ‘progressive’ Left, it would, quite genuinely, be the world’s finest broadcaster.
However, the Left has broken its own toy and I’m afraid it needs to be put on the bonfire. to destroy the source of the infection.
I don’t have high hopes for anything even vaguely resembling Radio 4 (as it once was) or Radio 3 (ditto) emerging from the commercial world, but as these two are now ruined, we had best just roll up our sleeves and get on with it.
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GCooper, you’ve hit on exactly the obstacle to the Tories really going after the BBC. They feel the same way you do about what the BBC has meant to them all their lives, but don’t have the intellectual capacity to get past it, or the courage to follow your suggestions.
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The problem, Frank, is that the following is the very first item in the definition of the BBC’s Public Purpose as stated in the Charter:
This gives them absolute authority to promote all those things as they see fit.
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Yes, “as they see fit”. There is he problem.
I have long felt the BBC see themselves, not so much apart from the rest of Britain, as above it. Some years ago I watched a documentary about the closure of the Lime Grove Studio. Anthony Smith, one time BBC producer appeared to talk about his time on “Tonight”. He recalled a letter from a viewer that ended “How I wish the country was run by the “Tonight” programme”. Smith smiled smugly and added “We felt that to”.
I don’t think he was joking.
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Excellent article.
‘Unless the Right can think of ways of making the BBCâs feedback loops work effectively, or the BBC spontaneously recognises its responsibilities to license-fee payers who donât share its equalitarian instincts, Europeâs most significant left-liberal broadcaster will continue â shamelessly â to dress to the left. ‘
No chance of that if the only feedback loop available is the complaints procedure, judging by the experiences of several posters on here.
The only way a feedback loop will operate effectively in the BBC is through a massive re-balancing of the political leanings of their staff, which will require a wholesale clearout for, as the author says, 90-95% of them are leftists. Not going to happen, is it? – they are far too entrenched.
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At risk of becoming the forum bore on this point, the problem (as Mr Grønmark knows) originates not really with the BBC itself, nor even the familiar red herring about it recruiting solely through the pages of the Guardian.
The problem of the Left’s hegemony in the media is directly attributable to the wholesale takeover of tertiary education (at least in the Arts) by the Left.
The BBC recruits Lefties because that is what the overwhelming majority of arts graduates have been brainwashed into becoming. “Want your degree, sonny? Then learn to speak Marxian!”
Until this is tackled and the vipers who have usurped ownership of our universities are turfed out, then the BBC cannot be reformed.
Nor, for that matter, can most of the media. Don’t assume that the Telegraph’s office is peopled solely by Thatcherite flag wavers. Dig into the soft centre of even the high Tory party rag and you will find cultural Marxists (and even a few economic ones) galore.
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No forum bore at all Mr C.
Needs saying the cultural Marxism stuffs their mouths with utopian cant, in the knowledge that it will probably be able to stuff their pockets with more than 30 pieces of silver later on.
Steeped in slops of Marxist slurry from Frankfurts old fools that we were stupid enough to allow to infiltrate the West.
Humanitarian grounds…but at what cost to us later?
Maybe we need to be more vigilant about who we let into our country. Last thing we need are Israel hating, West loathing refugees who run out on their true enemies, only to make perpetual soft wars with those who gave them shelter.
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Now that ChrisH was a post I understood. The problem is, that your view of those who would come here, differs from the spoon-fed version that exists within the brains of media consumers. And even if you are only 10% right, that will, in the near future, mean immense trouble.
Would someone care to remind me, just why did we begin this game of Russian Roulette?
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“A BBC-by-subscription ‘would be richer’, MPs told”
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/24/a_bbcbysubscription_would_be_richer_mps_here/?
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Another example of the desperate/dishonest lengths the BBC’s TV Licensing contractors will go to in order to get their hands on people’s money.
A TV Licensing employee has been caught on video telling lie, after lie, after lie. He point blank denies he’s from TV Licensing, refuses to show his ID on several occasions and physically strikes out at the occupier of the property he is visiting.
More here: Ballymena TV Licensing Goon Gets Aggressive
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Yes this is bad and hardly surprising. Although in a somewhat lighter vein I’m not sure Ballymena would be my destination of choice when attempting to get money out of people. There is an old joke which goes;
Q: Why do people in Ballymena have double glazing?
A: So the kids can’t hear the ice cream van.
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Note too a campaign of the BBC to make us all pay for iPlayer-so the “financing can be modernised”.
In English-they didn`t think it out, and want us to pay for being made to look foolish.
Notice too a local paper telling all out pubs to make sure that they all have Licenses for the upcoming sports fests in rugby and footy…you know to ensure…”maximum enjoyment for us all”
In English-we know where you live.
The caring, dispassionate BBC…not Stalinists with a lavender sachet in their pantie drawers!
Auntie-Panties…more than just an old BBC show for kids eh?
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The BBC are going to be in a quandry as they try and work out what to do here.
Unless of course it is just Tiny Blair trying to avoid another citizen’s arrest.
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I think this might get him in the end ,I hope so…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10597224/IRA-victims-plan-to-sue-Tony-Blair-over-Libya-conniving.html
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Justin Rowlatt is the BBC’s supposed ‘Ethical Man’
Do we mean that he personifies the old fashioned BBC ethos of balance and avoidance of political bias?
Of course not.
In Guardian/BBC speak ‘ethical’ has come to mean Leftist values. If one is a good person then naturally one is a ‘progressive’ ie a Leftist. Or at least in one’s public life one espouses Leftist values to the wider world.
‘At Newsnight in 2006 and 2007, he was the central figure in a year-long series of reports entitled Ethical Man (re-visited in 2009). The series increased his public visibility and made him an “accidental green hero”, according to The Guardian’
Justin seems to be an almost quintessential BBC man – from his first name, ‘Rowlatt was educated at Mansfield College, Oxford University’ (so another Oxbridge liberal arts man) to his other half ‘He is married to BBC World Service producer Bee Rowlatt’ (keep it in-house eh Justin? I mean have a fellow Beeboid as a partner – don’t keep her in-doors – that would be terribly sexist)
From Bee’s Twitter….
Andrew North â@NorthAndrew Jan 17
‘Only with democracy inside the home can there be democracy outside’: Gloria Steinem at #Jaipur. My live sketch
So watch it Justin…
Bee of course also has all the right progressive views….
Bee Rowlatt â@BeeRowlatt Jan 22
This is ace: @richardjgodwin: Why nigel farrage is a massive idiot over maternity leave http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/richard-godwin-both-sexes-need-leave-when-we-become-parents-9076732.html ⌔
TICK
http://cifwatch.com/tag/bee-rowlatt/
‘The May 5th event in Ramallah will feature, among others, Guardian employee Rachel Holmes and BBC World Service producer Bee Rowlatt….. it endorses the Palestinian call for the academic and cultural boycott of Israel’
TICK
Still Justin is allowed his days out with the lads…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776162
‘A law in Russia banning “homosexual propaganda” has been condemned by critics, who say it incites hatred. But a day hunting and relaxing in the forest – and hearing some extreme views – suggests it has plenty of support.’
‘I’m sure Vladimir Putin, the famously tough Russian president, would be horrified to discover that the bare-chested photos of him shooting, fishing and riding – that he hopes will endear him to men like Yuri and Georgy – are celebrated as homoerotic classics on gay websites in the West.’
Hey BBC, just as a matter of interest, ever thought about broadcasting anything from people who aren’t quite so ‘progressive’?
Never mind, it probably won’t happen.
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Justin’s wife Bee has taken his surname I notice. That’s a bit regressive and patriarchal, surely?
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Mr. Rowlatt is just another daft throwback from the tanking Newsnight brand. That he still uses the Ethical Man tag (guessing to retain followers gained during his brief, ill-starred misnamed role in this guise a few years ago) when he has a carbon footprint of an Australian mine company is hilarious (any actual, genuine enviro campaigner groans when he is mentioned, as even during his EM period his hypocrisies were legion, and when it was all over he dropped the pretence of being ethical like the BBC drops a vulnerable source once they’ve served). As is his missus’ clear ascendancy, from whinging, nagging housewife to next big BBC thing in box-ticking advocacy. She’ll go far.
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Good catch. Another name for the Tweets list, plus more proof for my contention that most Beeboids are very anti-Israel.
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Craig at Isthebbcbiased? came across this retweet on the Radio 4 ‘Sunday’ programme’s twitter feed.
No get out clauses here as it is the programme’s official BBC account. No doubt the BBC mantra of ‘retweeting should not be seen as an endorsement’ applies. Don’t try using that one in a libel case, folks – you’ll lose.
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Can’t wait for a ‘BBC spokesperson’ to be wheeled out to explain they don’t have to explain that one for reasons of… journalism?
Seems they may have been tempted a bit too far past the limits of #1degreeofseparation proxy advocacy in guise of journalism by trying to pass off what others say or write that they agree with as reporting.
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